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Ratings 2012/2013

by timesle

I talked to Phil recently and he told me that he is not going to make a new prediction thread for the next rating changes. Of course these are bad news for the whole forum as his prediction threads have been one of the best looking and most accurate ones in here. Maybe he'll be in the mood again to make one later this season. I personally hope so.

However after I heard it, I decided to give it a try and make own Bundesliga predictions based on my SM experience, my football knowledge and general stats. Don't expect them to be as accurate as Phil's have been but I think it will help most people.

As you will see I often predicted 2 possible ratings. The one mentioned first is the one of which I think is more probable. Please don't ask for an exact probability.

These ratings might be updated if the Bundesliga won't be reviewed in the next few weeks.

Certain Risers in green

Possible Risers in purple

Certain Stayers in blue

Possible droppers in orange

Certain droppers in red

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Re: Bundesliga Ratings 2012/2013

Updated: December 14th, 2012

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Borussia Dortmund

Roman WEIDENFELLER 90 => 90 / 91

Mitchell LANGERAK 80 => 80

Zlatan ALOMEROVIC 75 => 76 / 77

Marcel SCHMELZER 90 => 90 / 91

Chris LÖWE 80 => 80

Lukasz PISZCZEK 90 => 91

Patrick OWOMOYELA 87 => 87 / 86

Mats HUMMELS 92 => 93

Neven SUBOTIC 91 => 92 / 91

Felipe SANTANA 87 => 87

Marc HORNSCHUH 77 => 77 / 78

Jakub BLASZCZYKOWSKI 89 => 90

Ilkay GÜNDOGAN 87 => 89 / 88

Moritz LEITNER 85 => 86

Tim TREUDE 76 => 76

Marvin BAKALORZ 75 => 76

Sven BENDER 90 => 90

Sebastian KEHL 88 => 89

Oliver KIRCH 86 => 86

Mario GÖTZE 91 => 92 / 91

Ivan PERISIC 87 => 87 / 88

Leonardo BITTENCOURT 82 => 82

Mustafa AMINI 78 => 79 / 80

Kevin GROSSKREUTZ 89 => 89

Marco REUS 90 => 91 / 92

Julian SCHIEBER 87 => 87

Marvin DUCKSCH 75 => 75 / 76

Robert LEWANDOWSKI 90 => 91 / 92

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Bayern München

Manuel NEUER 93 => 93

Tom STARKE 87 => 87 / 86

Maximilian RIEDMULLER 75 => 75

Philipp LAHM 94 => 94

David ALABA 88 => 89 / 90

Diego CONTENTO 84 => 84

Marcio RAFINHA 90 => 89 / 90

Holger BADSTUBER 91 => 91 / 92

Santos DANTE 89 => 90

Daniel VAN BUYTEN 89 => 89 / 88

Jérôme BOATENG 90 => 90 / 91

Mitchell WEISER 75 => 75

Bastian SCHWEINSTEIGER 94 => 94

Javi MARTÍNEZ 91 => 91

Dennis CHESSA 75 => 75

Luiz GUSTAVO 90 => 90 / 91

Anatoliy TYMOSCHUK 90 => 89 / 90

Emre CAN 75 => 76 / 77

Thomas MÜLLER 93 => 93 / 94

Toni KROOS 90 => 91 / 92

Franck RIBERY 95 => 95

Arjen ROBBEN 94 => 94 / 93

Xherdan SHAQIRI 89 => 89

Mario MANDZUKIC 89 => 90

Dale JENNINGS 75 => 75

Mario GOMEZ 93 => 93

Claudio PIZARRO 90 => 89 / 90

Toni VASTIC 75 => 75

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Schalke 04

Timo HILDEBRAND 85 => 85

Ralf FAHRMANN 84 => 83 / 84

Lars UNNERSTALL 83 => 85 / 84

Christian FUCHS 89 => 89 / 90

Sergio ESCUDERO 83 => 83 / 82

Nils ZANDER 75 => 75

Atsuto UCHIDA 88 => 88

Benedikt HÖWEDES 90 => 90 / 91

Kyriakos PAPADOPOULOS 88 => 89 / 88

Joël MATIP 88 => 89 / 88

Christoph METZELDER 87 => 86 / 87

Alban SABAH 75 => 75

Boné UAFERRO 75 => 75

Olivier CAILLAS 78 => 77 / 76

Dominik ERNST 72 => 72 / 73

Jermaine JONES 88 => 88

Roman NEUSTADTER 87 => 88

Marco HOGER 86 => 86

Christoph MORITZ 85 => 85

Vasilis PLIATSIKAS 82 => 83 / 82

Ibrahim AFELLAY 90 => 90

Lewis HOLTBY 88 => 89

Julian DRAXLER 86 => 88 / 87

Manuel TORRES 75 => 75

Jefferson FARFAN 91 => 91

Tranquillo BARNETTA 90 => 89 / 90

Ciprian MARICA 87 => 87 / 86

Chinedu OBASI 87 => 87

Teemu PUKKI 85 => 85

Alexander LANGLITZ 75 => 75

Klaas-Jan HUNTELAAR 91 => 91 / 92

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Borussia Mönchengladbach

Marc-André TER STEGEN 87 => 88 / 89

Christofer HEIMEROTH 83 => 83

Janis BLASWICH 75 => 75

Oscar WENDT 87 => 87

Filip DAEMS 87 => 87 / 88

Tony JANTSCHKE 87 => 88

Matthias ZIMMERMANN 82 => 82

Álvaro DOMINGUEZ 89 => 89

Martin STRANZL 87 => 88

Roel BROUWERS 86 => 86 / 87

Niklas DAMS 75 => 75

Alexander RING 82 => 83 / 82

Granit XHAKA 86 => 87

Tolga CIGERCI 80 => 82 / 81

Julian KORB 75 => 75

Håvard NORDTVEIT 87 => 88

Thorben MARX 86 => 86

Lukas RUPP 80 => 83 / 84

Juan ARANGO 88 => 89

Patrick HERRMANN 87 => 88 / 87

Amin YOUNES 75 => 75

Luuk DE JONG 89 => 89

Peniel MLAPA 86 => 86

Branimir HRGOTA 76 => 79 / 78

Mike HANKE 87 => 87 / 88

Igor DE CAMARGO 87 => 87

Giuseppe PISANO 75 => 75

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Bayer Leverkusen

Bernd LENO 87 => 88

Michael RENSING 87 => 87

David YELLDELL 83 => 82 / 81

Fabrice VOLLBORN 75 => 75

Michal KADLEC 89 => 89

Gonzalo CASTRO 90 => 90

Daniel SCHWAAB 88 => 88

Daniel CARVAJAL 78 => 84 / 85

Stefan REINARTZ 89 => 89

Manuel FRIEDRICH 88 => 88 / 87

Philipp WOLLSCHEID 87 => 88

Ömer TOPRAK 87 => 88 / 87

Mirko CASPER 80 => 78 / 79

Jens HEGELER 86 => 86

Simon ROLFES 91 => 91 / 90

Lars BENDER 89 => 90

Hajime HOSOGAI 85 => 86 / 85

Dominik KOHR 76 => 76

Renato AUGUSTO 90 => 89 / 90

André SCHURRLE 90 => 90

Sidney SAM 89 => 89

Karim BELLARABI 82 => 83 / 84

Júnior FERNÁNDES 80 => 81 / 82

Okan AYDIN 75 => 75

Stefan KIESSLING 90 => 90 / 91

Christoph SIEFKES 76 => 76

Tobias STEFFEN 76 => 76

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VfB Stuttgart

Sven ULREICH 88 => 88

Marc ZIEGLER 82 => 82 / 81

André WEIS 78 => 79

Odisseas VLACHODIMOS 75 => 76 / 75

Cristian MOLINARO 88 => 88

Arthur BOKA 87 => 87

Gotoku SAKAI 85 => 87 / 86

Felice VECCHIONE 77 => 77

Sebastian ENDERLE 77 => 77

Michael VITZTHUM 76 => 78 / 77

Tim HOOGLAND 86 => 86

Steffen LANG 78 => 78

Serdar TASCI 89 => 89

Rodríguez MAZA 87 => 87

Georg NIEDERMEIER 86 => 87

Thomas GEYER 78 => 78

Antonio RÜDIGER 78 => 80 / 79

Benedikt RÖCKER 77 => 78

Ibrahima TRAORE 83 => 85 / 84

Zdravko KUZMANOVIC 88 => 88 / 87

Raphael HOLZHAUSER 79 => 83 / 82

Tobias RATHGEB 78 => 78

Christian GENTNER 88 => 88

William KVIST 88 => 88

Mamadou BAH 83 => 83 / 82

Rani KHEDIRA 75 => 77 / 78

Tamás HAJNAL 87 => 87 / 86

Tunay TORUN 83 => 83

Kevin STÖGER 77 => 77

Daniel DIDAVI 84 => 84

Jeronimo CACAU 89 => 89 / 88

Martin HARNIK 88 => 88 / 89

Shinji OKAZAKI 87 => 87

Johan AUDEL 85 => 85 / 84

Vedad IBISEVIC 88 => 89 / 88

Soufian BENYAMINA 77 => 79 / 78

Christoph HEMLEIN 77 => 78 / 79

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Hannover 96

Ron-Robert ZIELER 88 => 88

Markus MILLER 82 => 82

Samuel RADLINGER 76 => 76

Christian PANDER 88 => 88

Christian SCHULZ 88 => 88 / 87

Khaled MESFIN-MULUGETA 75 => 75

Steve CHERUNDOLO 87 => 88 / 87

Sofian CHAHED 85 => 85

Hiroki SAKAI 82 => 83 / 84

Karim HAGGUI 88 => 88

Trevizan FELIPE 85 => 86

Mario EGGIMANN 85 => 86 / 87

Konstantin RAUSCH 88 => 88

Sérgio PINTO 88 => 88

Manuel SCHMIEDEBACH 88 => 88

Leon ANDREASEN 84 => 84

Jannis PLÄSCHKE 75 => 75

Lars STINDL 88 => 88 / 89

Willi EVSEEV 78 => 78

Deniz AYCICEK 75 => 75

Szabolcs HUSZTI 87 => 88

Adrian NIKCI 83 => 84 / 83

Ali GÖKDEMIR 75 => 75

Lars FUCHS 75 => 75

Didier YA KONAN 88 => 88

Jan SCHLAUDRAFF 88 => 88

Mohammed ABDELLAOUE 88 => 88

Mame DIOUF 86 => 86 / 87

Artur SOBIECH 85 => 86 / 85

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VfL Wolfsburg

Diego BENAGLIO 89 => 89

Marwin HITZ 80 => 80

Marcel SCHAFER 89 => 89 / 88

Hrvoje CALE 85 => 84 / 83

Ricardo RODRIGUEZ 85 => 86 / 85

Conserva FAGNER 86 => 87 / 86

Kevin SCHULZE 76 => 76

Michael SCHULZE 75 => 76 / 75

Aparecido NALDO 90 => 90 / 89

Simon KJAER 89 => 88 / 89

Emanuel POGATETZ 88 => 88

Marco RUSS 87 => 86

Lopes FELIPE 86 => 85 / 86

Alexander MADLUNG 86 => 85 / 84

Sotiris KYRGIAKOS 85 => 84 / 85

Robin KNOCHE 75 => 80 / 79

Makoto HASEBE 87 => 87

Jan POLAK 87 => 87

Mateusz KLICH 83 => 83

Kevin PANNEWITZ 80 => 80

Christian TRASCH 89 => 88

Anunciado JOSUE 88 => 88

Slobodan MEDOJEVIC 84 => 84 / 83

Sebastian SCHINDZIELORZ 76 => 76

Ferhat YAZGAN 75 => 75

Ribas DIEGO 91 => 91 / 90

Thomas KAHLENBERG 86 => 86

Yohandry OROZCO 83 => 83

Adelino VIEIRINHA 87 => 87

Václav PILAR 86 => 85 / 86

Maximilian ARNOLD 75 => 75

Ivica OLIC 89 => 89 / 88

Patrick HELMES 89 => 89

Rasmus JÖNSSON 85 => 85

Ferhan HASANI 82 => 82

Bas DOST 88 => 88

Srdjan LAKIC 87 => 87 / 86

Danko BOSKOVIC 75 => 75

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Werder Bremen

Sebastian MIELITZ 83 => 86 / 85

Raphael WOLF 82 => 82

Christian VANDER 78 => 78

Bernd DÜKER 75 => 75

Richard STREBINGER 75 => 75

Lukas SCHMITZ 87 => 87

Florian HARTHERZ 80 => 80

Clemens FRITZ 89 => 89 / 88

Theodor GEBRE SELASSIE 86 => 87 / 88

Papastathopoulos SOKRATIS 88 => 88

Sebastian PRÖDL 87 => 87

François AFFOLTER 86 => 86 / 85

Assani LUKIMYA 78 => 85 / 86

Alexander HAHN 77 => 77

Clemens SCHOPPENHAUER 77 => 77

Malte GRASHOFF 77 => 77

Philipp BARGFREDE 88 => 88 / 87

Alexsandar STEVANOVIC 77 => 77

Aleksandar IGNJOVSKI 86 => 86

Tom TRYBULL 81 => 82 / 81

Leon HENZE 77 => 77

Aaron HUNT 88 => 88 / 89

Mehmet EKICI 87 => 86 / 87

Zlatko JUNUZOVIC 86 => 87

Felix KROOS 80 => 80

Florian TRINKS 78 => 78

Predrag STEVANOVIC 77 => 77

Özkan YILDIRIM 75 => 75

Eljero ELIA 88 => 88

Kevin DE BRUYNE 87 => 88

Onel HERNANDEZ 76 => 76

Marko ARNAUTOVIC 87 => 88 / 87

Johannes WURTZ 77 => 77

Joseph AKPALA 86 => 86

Nils PETERSEN 85 => 87 / 86

Niclas FÜLLKRUG 78 => 82 / 81

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Re: Bundesliga Ratings 2012/2013

Updated: December 14th, 2012

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1. FC Nürnberg

Raphael SCHAFER 87 => 87

Alexander STEPHAN 80 => 80 / 79

Patrick RAKOVSKY 77 => 79 / 78

Javier PINOLA 87 => 87

Marvin PLATTENHARDT 82 => 82

Timothy CHANDLER 86 => 86 / 87

Per NILSSON 85 => 86 / 85

Timm KLOSE 85 => 86 / 85

Marcos ANTONIO 83 => 83

Adam HLOUSEK 85 => 85 / 84

Markus FEULNER 86 => 86

Philipp KLEMENT 75 => 75

Timmy SIMONS 88 => 88

Hanno BALITSCH 87 => 87

Almog COHEN 86 => 86

Hiroshi KIYOTAKE 84 => 85 / 86

Marek MINTAL 84 => 82 / 81

Markus MENDLER 80 => 80

Timo GEBHART 87 => 87 / 86

Mike FRANTZ 85 => 85

Róbert MAK 82 => 83 / 84

Felicio BROWN FORBES 77 => 77

Alexander ESSWEIN 85 => 85 / 86

Tomáš PEKHART 86 => 86 / 87

Sebastian POLTER 78 => 83 / 82

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1899 Hoffenheim

Tim WIESE 90 => 89

Koen CASTEELS 76 => 81 / 80

Jens GRAHL 75 => 75

Fabian JOHNSON 85 => 86 / 85

Andreas BECK 89 => 88 / 89

Stephan SCHROCK 83 => 84

Mathieu DELPIERRE 88 => 88

Marvin COMPPER 87 => 87

Maicon CHRIS 86 => 85

Matthias JAISSLE 83 => 82 / 83

Jannik VESTERGAARD 82 => 83 / 82

Stefan THESKER 77 => 77

Kevin CONRAD 75 => 75

Patrick OCHS 88 => 87

Sejad SALIHOVIC 89 => 88

Sebastian RUDY 88 => 88

Tobias WEIS 86 => 86 / 85

Daniel WILLIAMS 84 => 85

Roberto FIRMINO 87 => 88 / 87

Sandro WIESER 77 => 77

Ahmed SASSI 75 => 75

Boris VUKCEVIC 86 => 86

Takashi USAMI 84 => 85 / 86

Filip MALBASIC 75 => 78 / 77

Sanmartín JOSELU 82 => 84 / 85

Eren DERDIYOK 89 => 88 / 89

Kevin VOLLAND 84 => 86 / 85

Sven SCHIPPLOCK 82 => 82 / 83

Michael GREGORITSCH 80 => 80

Denis THOMALLA 76 => 76

Kai HERDLING 75 => 75

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SC Freiburg

Oliver BAUMANN 87 => 87 / 88

Alexander SCHWOLOW 76 => 76

Daniel BATZ 75 => 76 / 75

Nicolai LORENZONI 75 => 75

Mensur MUJDZA 86 => 86 / 87

Vegar Eggen HEDENSTAD 83 => 83

Oliver SORG 80 => 85 / 84

Pavel KRMAS 85 => 85

Fallou DIAGNE 83 => 85

Beg FERATI 83 => 83

Immanuel HÖHN 78 => 80 / 79

Daniel CALIGIURI 84 => 85

Julian SCHUSTER 86 => 86 / 87

Johannes FLUM 86 => 86

Christian BICKEL 75 => 76 / 75

Karim GUEDE 83 => 84

Matthias GINTER 77 => 83 / 84

Cédric MAKIADI 86 => 87 / 86

Jan ROSENTHAL 86 => 86 / 85

Anton PUTSILA 85 => 85

Max KRUSE 85 => 86

Calvente EZEQUIEL 83 => 83

Jonathan SCHMID 83 => 85

Erik JENDRISEK 85 => 85

Sebastien FREIS 85 => 85 / 86

Marco TERRAZZINO 78 => 79 / 80

Garra DEMBELE 84 => 84

Ivan SANTINI 83 => 83

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FSV Mainz 05

Heinz MULLER 87 => 86

Christian WETKLO 86 => 87 / 86

Loris KARIUS 75 => 76 / 77

Junior DIAZ 84 => 84 / 85

Zdenek POSPECH 87 => 87

Radoslav ZABAVNIK 86 => 86

Niko BUNGERT 87 => 87

Nikolce NOVESKI 87 => 87

Bo SVENSSON 86 => 86

Jan KIRCHHOFF 85 => 85 / 86

Stefan BELL 83 => 83

Eugen POLANSKI 87 => 87

Elkin SOTO 87 => 87

Peter PERCHTOLD 78 => 78

Jared JEFFREY 75 => 75

Jaineil HOILETT 75 => 75

Marco CALIGIURI 86 => 86

Julian BAUMGARTLINGER 85 => 86

Andreas IVANSCHITZ 87 => 87

Yunus MALLI 78 => 79 / 80

Marcel RISSE 85 => 85

Nicolai MULLER 85 => 86 / 85

Nikita RUKAVYTSYA 84 => 84

Chinedu EDE 80 => 81 / 80

Eric Maxim CHOUPO-MOTING 86 => 86

Ivan KLASNIC 86 => 85 / 86

Ádám SZALAI 86 => 87

Shawn PARKER 75 => 78 / 79

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FC Augsburg

Simon JENTZSCH 85 => 85

Mohamed AMSIF 80 => 83 / 82

Ragnar KLAVAN 85 => 85

Marcel DE JONG 84 => 84

Matthias OSTRZOLEK 83 => 83 / 84

Paul VERHAEGH 85 => 85

Dominik REINHARDT 83 => 83

Gibril SANKOH 85 => 85

Sebastian LANGKAMP 85 => 85

Jan-Ingwer CALLSEN-BRACKER 84 => 84

Ronny PHILP 60 => 76 / 77

Daniel BAIER 85 => 86 / 85

Milan PETRZELA 85 => 85

Marco THIEDE 75 => 75

Andreas OTTL 87 => 87 / 86

Moritz NEBEL 75 => 75

Kevin VOGT 75 => 83 / 82

Ja-cheol KOO 86 => 86

Jan MORÁVEK 85 => 85

Giovanni SIO 86 => 86 / 85

Tobias WERNER 84 => 85

Dawda BAH 82 => 82

Torsten OEHRL 84 => 84 / 85

Knowledge MUSONA 82 => 83 / 84

Stephan HAIN 83 => 83

Aristide BANCE 84 => 84 / 85

Sascha MOLDERS 84 => 84

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Hamburger SV

René ADLER 90 => 90

Jaroslav DROBNY 88 => 87 / 88

Sven NEUHAUS 78 => 78

Tom MICKEL 76 => 76

Dennis AOGO 88 => 88

Lennard SOWAH 75 => 75

Dennis DIEKMEIER 86 => 87

Ashton GÖTZ 75 => 75

Jeffrey BRUMA 86 => 86

Slobodan RAJKOVIC 85 => 84 / 85

Robert LABUS 75 => 75

Janek STERNBERG 75 => 75

Heiko WESTERMANN 90 => 90 / 89

Michael MANCIENNE 85 => 86

Marcell JANSEN 89 => 89

Jacopo SALA 80 => 81 / 82

Petr JIRACEK 86 => 86

Robert TESCHE 85 => 85 / 84

Kevin INGRESO 75 => 75

Gojko KACAR 88 => 87

Paul SCHARNER 87 => 87 / 86

Tomás RINCON 87 => 87 / 86

Rafael VAN DER VAART 92 => 92 / 91

Per Ciljan SKJELBRED 86 => 85 / 86

Milan BADELJ 86 => 87

Tolgay ARSLAN 83 => 85 / 84

Jordan BROWN 75 => 75

Ivo ILICEVIC 86 => 86

Maximilian BEISTER 84 => 85

Zhi Gin LAM 78 => 79 / 80

Heung-Min SON 84 => 86

Dominik MASEK 75 => 75

Artjoms RUDNEVS 87 => 88

Marcus BERG 87 => 87

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Greuther Fürth

Wolfgang HESL 82 => 82 / 83

Max GRUN 82 => 85 / 84

Issa N'DOYE 80 => 80

Tuomas RANNANKARI 75 => 75

Mergim MAVRAJ 84 => 85

Thomas KLEINE 82 => 84 / 85

Lasse SOBIECH 80 => 82 / 81

Michael HEFELE 76 => 76

Kevin KRAUS 75 => 75

Heinrich SCHMIDTGAL 82 => 84 / 85

Edgar PRIB 80 => 85 / 84

Robert ZILLNER 79 => 80 / 81

Bernd NEHRIG 83 => 85 / 84

Milorad PEKOVIC 84 => 84

Stephan FÜRSTNER 80 => 85 / 84

Thanos PETSOS 84 => 84

Johannes GEIS 76 => 77 / 76

Sebastian TYRALA 79 => 80

Zoltán STIEBER 84 => 84

Tobias MIKKELSEN 83 => 83

Sercan SARARER 78 => 85 / 86

Felix KLAUS 77 => 82 / 83

Tayfun PEKTURK 77 => 81 / 82

Gerald ASAMOAH 86 => 86

Ilir AZEMI 75 => 80 / 79

Baye Djiby FALL 85 => 85

Christopher NOTHE 83 => 84 / 83

Franck OHANDZA 77 => 77

Stefan KOLB 76 => 76

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Eintracht Frankfurt

Oka NIKOLOV 86 => 86 / 85

Kevin TRAPP 86 => 87

Erman MURATAGIC 75 => 75

Bastian OCZIPKA 86 => 87 / 86

Constant DJAKPA 85 => 85

Sebastian JUNG 86 => 87 / 88

Stefano CELOZZI 85 => 85

Abassin ALIKHIL 75 => 75

Martin AMEDICK 86 => 85 / 86

Vadim DEMIDOV 86 => 86

Heiko BUTSCHER 86 => 85 / 86

Carlos ZAMBRANO 85 => 86

Bamba ANDERSON 84 => 85 / 86

Benjamin KOHLER 86 => 86

Stefan AIGNER 83 => 86 / 87

Pirmin SCHWEGLER 88 => 88

Martin LANIG 86 => 86

Sebastian RODE 80 => 85 / 86

Alexander MEIER 87 => 88

Takashi INUI 85 => 87 / 86

Sonny KITTEL 79 => 80 / 79

Maximilian MEHRING 74 => 74

Karim MATMOUR 85 => 86 / 85

Erwin HOFFER 85 => 85

Rob FRIEND 85 => 84 / 85

Olivier OCCEAN 83 => 85 / 84

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Fortuna Düsseldorf

Robert ALMER 82 => 82

Fabian GIEFER 78 => 83 / 82

Axel BELLINGHAUSEN 85 => 85

Johannes VAN DEN BERGH 80 => 85 / 84

André FOMITSCHOW 75 => 75

Tobias LEVELS 85 => 85 / 86

Du-ri CHA 85 => 85

Stelios MALEZAS 86 => 86

Bruno SOARES 80 => 81

Jens LANGENEKE 80 => 85 / 84

Leon BALOGUN 77 => 77

Fernández JUANAN 77 => 80 / 81

Jeron HAZAIMEH 75 => 75

Ronny GARBUSCHEWSKI 75 => 79 / 80

Adam BODZEK 82 => 85 / 84

Andreas LAMBERTZ 80 => 85 / 84

Ivan PAUREVIC 75 => 77 / 76

Fabio FAHRIAN 75 => 75

Oliver FINK 80 => 83 / 84

Tugrul ERAT 75 => 75

Andriy VORONIN 88 => 88 / 87

Ken ILSO 83 => 84 / 85

Robbie KRUSE 82 => 84 / 85

Dani SCHAHIN 78 => 82 / 83

Timo FURUHOLM 78 => 78

Stefan REISINGER 85 => 85

Nando RAFAEL 84 => 84

Gerrit WEGKAMP 76 => 77 / 76

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Re: Bundesliga Ratings 2012/2013

Updated: December 14th, 2012

Goalkeeper Risers

Marc-André TER STEGEN 87 => 88 / 89

Bernd LENO 87 => 88

Kevin TRAPP 86 => 87

Sebastian MIELITZ 83 => 86 / 85

Lars UNNERSTALL 83 => 85 / 84

Max GRUN 82 => 85 / 84

Mohamed AMSIF 80 => 83 / 82

Fabian GIEFER 78 => 83 / 82

André WEIS 78 => 79

Patrick RAKOVSKY 77 => 79 / 78

Koen CASTEELS 76 => 81 / 80

Zlatan ALOMEROVIC 75 => 76 / 77

Loris KARIUS 75 => 76 / 77

Defender Risers

Mats HUMMELS 92 => 93

Lukasz PISZCZEK 90 => 91

Santos DANTE 89 => 90

David ALABA 88 => 89 / 90

Tony JANTSCHKE 87 => 88

Martin STRANZL 87 => 88

Philipp WOLLSCHEID 87 => 88

Georg NIEDERMEIER 86 => 87

Theodor GEBRE SELASSIE 86 => 87 / 88

Dennis DIEKMEIER 86 => 87

Sebastian JUNG 86 => 87 / 88

Gotoku SAKAI 85 => 87 / 86

Trevizan FELIPE 85 => 86

Mario EGGIMANN 85 => 86 / 87

Michael MANCIENNE 85 => 86

Carlos ZAMBRANO 85 => 86

Mergim MAVRAJ 84 => 85

Bamba ANDERSON 84 => 85 / 86

Stephan SCHROCK 83 => 84

Fallou DIAGNE 83 => 85

Hiroki SAKAI 82 => 83 / 84

Thomas KLEINE 82 => 84 / 85

Oliver SORG 80 => 85 / 84

Lasse SOBIECH 80 => 82 / 81

Johannes VAN DEN BERGH 80 => 85 / 84

Bruno SOARES 80 => 81

Jens LANGENEKE 80 => 85 / 84

Daniel CARVAJAL 78 => 84 / 85

Antonio RÜDIGER 78 => 80 / 79

Assani LUKIMYA 78 => 85 / 86

Immanuel HÖHN 78 => 80 / 79

Benedikt RÖCKER 77 => 78

Fernández JUANAN 77 => 80 / 81

Michael VITZTHUM 76 => 78 / 77

Robin KNOCHE 75 => 80 / 79

Ronny PHILP 60 => 76 / 77

Midfielder Risers

Toni KROOS 90 => 91 / 92

Jakub BLASZCZYKOWSKI 89 => 90

Lars BENDER 89 => 90

Sebastian KEHL 88 => 89

Lewis HOLTBY 88 => 89

Juan ARANGO 88 => 89

Ilkay GÜNDOGAN 87 => 89 / 88

Roman NEUSTADTER 87 => 88

Håvard NORDTVEIT 87 => 88

Szabolcs HUSZTI 87 => 88

Kevin DE BRUYNE 87 => 88

Alexander MEIER 87 => 88

Julian DRAXLER 86 => 88 / 87

Granit XHAKA 86 => 87

Zlatko JUNUZOVIC 86 => 87

Milan BADELJ 86 => 87

Moritz LEITNER 85 => 86

Max KRUSE 85 => 86

Julian BAUMGARTLINGER 85 => 86

Takashi INUI 85 => 87 / 86

Hiroshi KIYOTAKE 84 => 85 / 86

Daniel WILLIAMS 84 => 85

Takashi USAMI 84 => 85 / 86

Daniel CALIGIURI 84 => 85

Tobias WERNER 84 => 85

Maximilian BEISTER 84 => 85

Ibrahima TRAORE 83 => 85 / 84

Karim GUEDE 83 => 84

Jonathan SCHMID 83 => 85

Tolgay ARSLAN 83 => 85 / 84

Bernd NEHRIG 83 => 85 / 84

Stefan AIGNER 83 => 86 / 87

Karim BELLARABI 82 => 83 / 84

Róbert MAK 82 => 83 / 84

Heinrich SCHMIDTGAL 82 => 84 / 85

Adam BODZEK 82 => 85 / 84

Tolga CIGERCI 80 => 82 / 81

Lukas RUPP 80 => 83 / 84

Jacopo SALA 80 => 81 / 82

Edgar PRIB 80 => 85 / 84

Stephan FÜRSTNER 80 => 85 / 84

Sebastian RODE 80 => 85 / 86

Andreas LAMBERTZ 80 => 85 / 84

Oliver FINK 80 => 83 / 84

Raphael HOLZHAUSER 79 => 83 / 82

Robert ZILLNER 79 => 80 / 81

Sebastian TYRALA 79 => 80

Mustafa AMINI 78 => 79 / 80

Yunus MALLI 78 => 79 / 80

Zhi Gin LAM 78 => 79 / 80

Sercan SARARER 78 => 85 / 86

Matthias GINTER 77 => 83 / 84

Felix KLAUS 77 => 82 / 83

Tayfun PEKTURK 77 => 81 / 82

Emre CAN 75 => 76 / 77

Marvin BAKALORZ 75 => 76

Rani KHEDIRA 75 => 77 / 78

Filip MALBASIC 75 => 78 / 77

Kevin VOGT 75 => 83 / 82

Ronny GARBUSCHEWSKI 75 => 79 / 80

Ivan PAUREVIC 75 => 77 / 76

Forward Risers

Marco REUS 90 => 91 / 92

Robert LEWANDOWSKI 90 => 91 / 92

Mario MANDZUKIC 89 => 90

Artjoms RUDNEVS 87 => 88

Ádám SZALAI 86 => 87

Nils PETERSEN 85 => 87 / 86

Kevin VOLLAND 84 => 86 / 85

Heung-Min SON 84 => 86

Olivier OCCEAN 83 => 85 / 84

Ken ILSO 83 => 84 / 85

Sanmartín JOSELU 82 => 84 / 85

Knowledge MUSONA 82 => 83 / 84

Robbie KRUSE 82 => 84 / 85

Júnior FERNÁNDES 80 => 81 / 82

Niclas FÜLLKRUG 78 => 82 / 81

Sebastian POLTER 78 => 83 / 82

Marco TERRAZZINO 78 => 79 / 80

Dani SCHAHIN 78 => 82 / 83

Soufian BENYAMINA 77 => 79 / 78

Christoph HEMLEIN 77 => 78 / 79

Branimir HRGOTA 76 => 79 / 78

Shawn PARKER 75 => 78 / 79

Ilir AZEMI 75 => 80 / 79

"High" Risers

Ronny PHILP 60 => 76 / 77

Assani LUKIMYA 78 => 85 / 86

Sercan SARARER 78 => 85 / 86

Kevin VOGT 75 => 83 / 82

Daniel CARVAJAL 78 => 84 / 85

Matthias GINTER 77 => 83 / 84

Sebastian RODE 80 => 85 / 86

Felix KLAUS 77 => 82 / 83

Oliver SORG 80 => 85 / 84

Edgar PRIB 80 => 85 / 84

Stephan FÜRSTNER 80 => 85 / 84

Johannes VAN DEN BERGH 80 => 85 / 84

Jens LANGENEKE 80 => 85 / 84

Andreas LAMBERTZ 80 => 85 / 84

Sebastian POLTER 78 => 83 / 82

Fabian GIEFER 78 => 83 / 82

Dani SCHAHIN 78 => 82 / 83

Koen CASTEELS 76 => 81 / 80

Tayfun PEKTURK 77 => 81 / 82

Robin KNOCHE 75 => 80 / 79

Ilir AZEMI 75 => 80 / 79

Ronny GARBUSCHEWSKI 75 => 79 / 80

Stefan AIGNER 83 => 86 / 87

Lukas RUPP 80 => 83 / 84

Raphael HOLZHAUSER 79 => 83 / 82

Oliver FINK 80 => 83 / 84

Niclas FÜLLKRUG 78 => 82 / 81

Fernández JUANAN 77 => 80 / 81

Shawn PARKER 75 => 78 / 79

Sebastian MIELITZ 83 => 86 / 85

Max GRUN 82 => 85 / 84

Adam BODZEK 82 => 85 / 84

Sanmartín JOSELU 82 => 84 / 85

Thomas KLEINE 82 => 84 / 85

Heinrich SCHMIDTGAL 82 => 84 / 85

Robbie KRUSE 82 => 84 / 85

Mohamed AMSIF 80 => 83 / 82

Branimir HRGOTA 76 => 79 / 78

Filip MALBASIC 75 => 78 / 77

Rani KHEDIRA 75 => 77 / 78

Heung-Min SON 84 => 86

Fallou DIAGNE 83 => 85

Jonathan SCHMID 83 => 85

U21 Risers

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Emre CAN 75 => 76 / 77

Julian DRAXLER 86 => 88 / 87

Rani KHEDIRA 75 => 77 / 78

Matthias GINTER 77 => 83 / 84

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Moritz LEITNER 85 => 86

Mustafa AMINI 78 => 79 / 80

Granit XHAKA 86 => 87

Branimir HRGOTA 76 => 79 / 78

Antonio RÜDIGER 78 => 80 / 79

Raphael HOLZHAUSER 79 => 83 / 82

Niclas FÜLLKRUG 78 => 82 / 81

Patrick RAKOVSKY 77 => 79 / 78

Filip MALBASIC 75 => 78 / 77

Loris KARIUS 75 => 76 / 77

Shawn PARKER 75 => 78 / 79

20

David ALABA 88 => 89 / 90

Marc-André TER STEGEN 87 => 88 / 89

Tolga CIGERCI 80 => 82 / 81

Bernd LENO 87 => 88

Daniel CARVAJAL 78 => 84 / 85

Michael VITZTHUM 76 => 78 / 77

Robin KNOCHE 75 => 80 / 79

Koen CASTEELS 76 => 81 / 80

Takashi USAMI 84 => 85 / 86

Kevin VOLLAND 84 => 86 / 85

Immanuel HÖHN 78 => 80 / 79

Yunus MALLI 78 => 79 / 80

Kevin VOGT 75 => 83 / 82

Jacopo SALA 80 => 81 / 82

Heung-Min SON 84 => 86

Felix KLAUS 77 => 82 / 83

Ilir AZEMI 75 => 80 / 79

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Re: Bundesliga Ratings 2012/2013

I read the first post and was going to ask if you wanted help but wow. Already done. Have read Dortmund and they seem perfect (although I would be tempted to have Perisic more likely at a 88 than styaing).

Will read through now and see what I think.

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Re: Bundesliga Ratings 2012/2013

First set;

Bayern:

Kroos definitely +1

Schalke:

Howedes no chance of rise

Depending on when they are done, Farfan could potentially drop if he continues to not start

Monchengladbach:

Cigerci is hard to judge as it's early in the season, but if he continues to start then he should get 83 quite easily, perhaps even 84

Herrmann I think is more likely for 88 than 87

Hrgota to 80

Leverkusen:

Bellarabi I agree should be 83, but he also has a chance of 84

Fernandes should go to 84 for his time in Chile

Stuttgart:

Agreed

Hannover:

Andreasen +1

Wolfsburg:

Rodriguez should be 86/87 (although I am pretty confident it will be just 86, a chance with his minutes of 87)

Kjaer I can't see dropping after the euros

Fagner is borderline rise so I think you have that spot on

Werder:

Mielitz 85/84 rather than 84/85

Lukimya 84, maybe even 85

Trybull should get 82/83 for his minutes late last season

Fullkrug 81

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Re: Bundesliga Ratings 2012/2013

Nurnberg:

Agreed, Kiyotake appears to be a real talent from what I saw last saturday.

Hoffenheim:

Vestergaard should be 84/83, played quite abit last season and I fancy him to start again soon after the diabolical performances so far.

Malbasic 79/80 for his time in Serbia

Freiburg:

Sorg 83/84 plays for the u21's also

Ginter 83/84 starts regularly (probably go to CB as main position also)

Mainz:

Agreed, i'd make Kirchhoff green however

Augsburg:

Think Philp will get 78/79

Vogt 78/79 at the moment

Musona 83

Hamburg:

Westermann definite dropper

Bruma purple

Sala 82/83

Van Der Vaart I think will get -1 due to the club cap

Greuther (or rise central as I call them)

Think you have given them all far too low, the 2nd division teams got the same sort of rises as this and Greuther got promoted as champions

Eintracht:

Rode 84/83

Kittel 81

Dusseldorf:

Giefer 82/83

Also same as Greuther, think quite a few are under-rated.

Overall some fantastic work here mate, definitely some rep from me.

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Re: Bundesliga Ratings 2012/2013

Overall some fantastic work here mate' date=' definitely some rep from me.[/color']

Thanks for the feedback mate. :)

I won't go into detail about your opinions. Just a few general things: I recognized that you often would predict a higher rise and probably you might be right with this - especially as the ratings will occur later this season, so some certainly will get a higher rise depending on their minutes. However I prefer to predict rather conservative as people in general are happier when a player gets a higher rise as expected than vice versa.

Moreover as I said in the 1st post, I'll probably update them when SM will announce when the league will be re-rated. Then it should be easier to say what rating a player might get.

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Re: Bundesliga Ratings 2012/2013

Thanks for the feedback mate. :)

I won't go into detail about your opinions. Just a few general things: I recognized that you often would predict a higher rise and probably you might be right with this - especially as the ratings will occur later this season' date=' so some certainly will get a higher rise depending on their minutes. However I prefer to predict rather conservative as people in general are happier when a player gets a higher rise as expected than vice versa.

Moreover as I said in the 1st post, I'll probably update them when SM will announce when the league will be re-rated. Then it should be easier to say what rating a player might get.[/quote']

FANTASTIC thread and nice to see some conservative predictions :P

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Re: Bundesliga Ratings 2012/2013

Really good work! It's hard work predicting a full league. And it's even harder doing it as well as this!

I like that your predictions are conservative and down to earth, personally I think some players will rise even more. But I won't argue as I know you have good knowledge of football in general and specially german football.

WELL DONE!! :D

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Re: Bundesliga Ratings 2012/2013

Thanks for the feedback mate. :)

I won't go into detail about your opinions. Just a few general things: I recognized that you often would predict a higher rise and probably you might be right with this - especially as the ratings will occur later this season' date=' so some certainly will get a higher rise depending on their minutes. However I prefer to predict rather conservative as people in general are happier when a player gets a higher rise as expected than vice versa.

Moreover as I said in the 1st post, I'll probably update them when SM will announce when the league will be re-rated. Then it should be easier to say what rating a player might get.[/quote']

When do you think they will review the main leagues? ATM very like all the way at late Nov/early Dec time, it's a same really as you have to wait a lot more longer for players to rise, don't think the main leagues are going to be reviewed 3 times a year any longer, do you have any information on this?

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When do you think they will review the main leagues? ATM very like all the way at late Nov/early Dec time' date=' it's a same really as you have to wait a lot more longer for players to rise, don't think the main leagues are going to be reviewed 3 times a year any longer, do you have any information on this?[/quote']

I don't have any information about when they review the leagues. I personally expect the big leagues to be reviewed earliest at end of October.

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Re: Respuesta: Bundesliga Ratings 2012/2013

hey bundesliga experts! haha

do you think badstuber' date=' kroos are really 100% for a rise?

What about gotze? if he keeps playing and with a good level could he rise to 92?[/quote']

bads is 50/50. dont really see if it happening until bayern wins the title

gotze is same as above.

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Re: Bundesliga Ratings 2012/2013

This year Bayer sames to be unbited. i tink Kross deserve +2 / Badstuber +1 / Alaba +2 / Shaqiri +1 / Gustavo Luiz +1 / Mandzukic + 1 / Lahm and Gomez +1 / muller , ribery , robben stay / ( The Last seson not was so bad for bayer , was playing final Champions League , winner cup and super cup ) and Germany played well on Euro 2012 only bad luck with italy !

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Re: Bundesliga Ratings 2012/2013

Can anyone tell me why this guy's not playing?

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If you have no knowledge of good cartoons' date=' its Bender ;')[/color']

Btw Muller seems back on top of his game right? :D

He had a minor op at the start of the season and returned to the bench last week. Not sure why he wasn't picked ahead of Leitner on Saturday. Must of annoyed Klopp.

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Re: Bundesliga Ratings 2012/2013

Hasn't annoyed Klopp at all.

Gündogan was injured so he picked the player resembling him which is Leitner. Bender is more defensive-minded but since Kehl was fit, Bender didn't play.

Bender did play in the reserve team though last week so fitness-wise, he should be close to 100%.

Has really stalled in his development and became injury-prone. His brother overtook him a while back.

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