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been watching this for some months......too many clubs operate in the red and wait for the end of the season for a cash injection and / or sell a fringe player.

 

Time to penalise them.

 

As soon as a club drops into the red, the chairman should sell a player (whether the manager likes it or not)

 

Could be the most valuable player or perhaps the player whose value matches the debt closest

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Been through this before, chairman wouldn't sell the highest value/rated, they'd sell a player with enough value to cover the debt.

Would also suck even more fun out of the game.

Small clubs already struggle to be successful with the financial side of the game against them, and have to run in the red to be competitive. Sorry, but if you end the season in the black after receiving your money for final position, then your not running in the red...

If your still in the red after that, then the chairman should resolve it.

If we're going for realism, how many clubs run in the red until season end in real leagues?

Success payments need to be increased here then, so you can "do a Leicester" and not end up dying of debt because your small club done good is still stuck on an unchanged small club income, regardless of success.

Sorry, lots of more important things to resolve before this.

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Would be really odd to look so short term. Club finance should be viewed over the whole season not week to week like suggested. 

 

Just look at the huge amount of money in game at the end of each season through league position, promotion, domestic cup, European competition ect.

 

You can run your club well & make a profit each season but at some points still be in debt.  :rolleyes:

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So a manager in one of my game worlds has been running at double figure debt throughout the season but has been bailed out by a £40 million chairman inject. Not acceptable really.

Budgets are about looking forward, not spending with the expectation that they can be clawed back at the end of the season.

Chairman sales a must

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So a manager in one of my game worlds has been running at double figure debt throughout the season but has been bailed out by a £40 million chairman inject. Not acceptable really.

 

Completely agree that should be stopped. Its an awful rule, rewards bad management & distorts game worlds.

 

Its not only clubs in debt that get them though seen v.strong clubs with cash get 50m before. 

 

Chairman sales are not the answer though... just stop the cash injections.

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I would agree with this in theory but in practice it would only be rewarding poor design choices by SM in many cases.

 

I had a team that under the "old" game was not in debt and in fact ran at a very small profit, that has since become millions in debt because they chose to completely redo player salaries with virtually no major concern whatsoever for team income. I refuse to be punished for their poor planning when I've done absolutely nothing wrong. None of this would have occurred in the first place if proper planning and testing of the changes to player salaries and game economies had been done, though I'll admit, punishing the players for SM's bad design choices has become more and more the norm here.

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been watching this for some months......too many clubs operate in the red and wait for the end of the season for a cash injection and / or sell a fringe player.

 

Time to penalise them.

 

As soon as a club drops into the red, the chairman should sell a player (whether the manager likes it or not)

 

Could be the most valuable player or perhaps the player whose value matches the debt closest

 

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There is a difference between a club "being slightly in red" and an "increasing debt" 

IRL many club that goes slightly in red wait for end season to receive cash (tv rights, league positioning bonuses, prize moneys for cups, etc..) to cover the losses - there is nothing wrong about this. If however the club goes in an "increasing debt" (so let's say at end season you're still in red), then yes the chairman should step in. But as long as the situation is not an "increasing debt", chairman doesn't have any power on market decision - so there is not such a thing like "the offer is too good, so the chairman accepted it automatically" when the economical situation is fine. Example: IRL Bayern don't sell Müller (received offers on 85-90 mln range for him, all clearly rejected), Barcelona doesn't sell Busquets and Messi, and so on...

 

 A feature that causes "automatic offer accepted" no matter what (while that club is still with an active balance), it would be the end of SM - big clubs would strip every other smaller club easily of their best players, causing a lot of managers to quit, GWs to become empty, gold managers to don't renew their memberships.... An "automatic offer accepted"  feature would be acceptable to be active only and only in the situation of a club which has been confirmed in "increasing debt" by the chairman at end of season, and remaining active for that club as long as the manager doesn't address it by the means necessary.

 

A suggestion to SM Devs: direct cash investment should be available to add extra seats in stadium building (with some limitations of max size, like up to a max size stadium of 80k or something) to help with the financial changes and that would also make cash even more relevant to the game, especially to GC's

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