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1 hour ago, -JMH- said:

Explain? No but some good performances in European competitions..

Very simply...

Internationals for the 3 big teams in Russia (Spartak, CSKA, Zenit) were only rated 83, 84 or 85. So my point was that players for mid-table Belgian teams should not be getting much higher rises.

I agree that some of the Belgian teams did well in the Europa League. But Brugge picking up 0 points in the Champions League shows that there is still a big gulf to the top sides.

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53 minutes ago, Monolithic said:

Very simply...

Internationals for the 3 big teams in Russia (Spartak, CSKA, Zenit) were only rated 83, 84 or 85. So my point was that players for mid-table Belgian teams should not be getting much higher rises.

I agree that some of the Belgian teams did well in the Europa League. But Brugge picking up 0 points in the Champions League shows that there is still a big gulf to the top sides.

Holland had massive rises compared to Belgium and the Eredivisie players are rated a lot higher than Pro League players yet look at the Uefa coefficients and the massive gap. When the argument is Europe then Belgian clubs definitely should be rated higher than Dutch ones.

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Sure Brugge were woeful this year, that club often is crap and at best it's anectodal evidence. Gent advanced from the group last year and Anderlecht came very close the year before Gent (too many times they didn't see out the game or they would have edged out Arsenal). In the EL most of Belgium's entrants have performed well over a long period of time. Belgian clubs keep outperforming Dutch ones year after year after year after year after year ... how many years until we see some sort of impact in the ratings?

 

PS Belgium have overtaken Ukraine this year and if clubs from Portugal don't outperform Belgian ones over the next two years Belgium will also overtake them.

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28 minutes ago, 1000dB said:

Holland had massive rises compared to Belgium and the Eredivisie players are rated a lot higher than Pro League players yet look at the Uefa coefficients and the massive gap. When the argument is Europe then Belgian clubs definitely should be rated higher than Dutch ones.

And the Belgian clubs that have been updated are indeed rated higher than the Dutch teams in the same positions.

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6 hours ago, Monolithic said:

Very simply...

Internationals for the 3 big teams in Russia (Spartak, CSKA, Zenit) were only rated 83, 84 or 85. So my point was that players for mid-table Belgian teams should not be getting much higher rises.

I agree that some of the Belgian teams did well in the Europa League. But Brugge picking up 0 points in the Champions League shows that there is still a big gulf to the top sides.

What internationals? (sorry i missed russia review i was on holiday) 

I do agree there is a big oversight when it comes to players gaining national caps

Should be an automatic rise based on the level they play at, IE i have Raul Caceres who is stuck at 76, as well as Ivan Ramirez, both Paraguay internationals. Same with Ivan Ordets who has been on 83 for years

SM/SW should be doing a brief review round up on international match weekends and update players in such circumstances

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4 hours ago, Monolithic said:

And the Belgian clubs that have been updated are indeed rated higher than the Dutch teams in the same positions.

Let's put the top sides next to each other after the review. Belgian sides will be lagging behind despite the massive Uefa coefficient chasm. Also, Genk were playing beautiful football after the winter break and they had a deep run in the EL like Anderlecht. You'll notice that last year as well Belgian clubs were well ahead of Dutch ones despite Brugge's failed campaign and Ajax's deep run.

PS it sounds like the Pro League's golden boot winner (best player as the league sponsor's golden bull award goes to the top scorer) Izquierdo will move to West Ham (still there have been plenty of rumours: Sevilla, Roma, etc.).

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7 hours ago, -JMH- said:

What internationals? (sorry i missed russia review i was on holiday) 

I do agree there is a big oversight when it comes to players gaining national caps

Should be an automatic rise based on the level they play at, IE i have Raul Caceres who is stuck at 76, as well as Ivan Ramirez, both Paraguay internationals. Same with Ivan Ordets who has been on 83 for years

SM/SW should be doing a brief review round up on international match weekends and update players in such circumstances

Vasin stayed on 83, Dzhikia got a +1 to 84 and Golovin and Kutepov got +2 to 85.

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6 hours ago, 1000dB said:

Let's put the top sides next to each other after the review. Belgian sides will be lagging behind despite the massive Uefa coefficient chasm. Also, Genk were playing beautiful football after the winter break and they had a deep run in the EL like Anderlecht. You'll notice that last year as well Belgian clubs were well ahead of Dutch ones despite Brugge's failed campaign and Ajax's deep run.

PS it sounds like the Pro League's golden boot winner (best player as the league sponsor's golden bull award goes to the top scorer) Izquierdo will move to West Ham (still there have been plenty of rumours: Sevilla, Roma, etc.).

Possibly in terms of the top 3. But across the whole division, Belgium will have significantly higher ratings so I can't see any big issue there.

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POLAND EKSTRAKLASA

Lech Poznan:

Gytkjaer +1 to 84

Tralka +1 to 83

Majewski +1 to 83

Gumny +5 to 82

 

Jagiellonia:

Bezjak -1 to 84

Romanchuk +1 to 83

Burliga +2 to 82

Novikovas +2 to 82

Kelemen +2 to 82

Wlazlo +2 to 80

Pawelek -2 to 80

 

Legia Warsaw:

Mauricio -1 to 85

Malarz +2 to 84

Niezgoda +3 to 83

Broz +1 to 83

Radovic -2 to 83

Eduardo -2 to 83

Szymanski +4 to 80

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On 17/04/2017 at 10:19 PM, Sir Rahul said:

BELGIUM JUPILER LEAGUE

Anderlecht:

Tielemans +1 to 88- yes

Dendoncker +1 to 88- yes

Hanni +1 to 87

Nuytinck +2 to 86

Teodorczyk +1 to 87

Chipciu +1 to 86

Obradovic +1 to 86

Boeckx +5 to 83

Sowah +3 to 78

Martinez +1 to 84

 

Club Brugge:

Cools +6 to 84- +4 to 82

Butelle +1 to 86

Poulain +2 to 85

Pina -1 to 87

Limbombe +1 to 84

Wesley +3 to 83

Horvath +1 to 83

 

Gent:

Foket +2 to 87- yes

Kalu +4 to 82- yes

Saief +2 to 85- yes

Simon +1 to 86- yes

Gigot +2 to 84- +3 to 85

Thoelen +5 to 82- +3 to 80

Gershon +3 to 86- +1 to 84

Coulibaly +3 to 86- +2 to 85

Esiti +4 to 84- +5 to 85

De Smet +5 to 75- +3 to 73

Kubo +1 to 86- +2 to 87

Matton +1 to 84- -1 to 82

Mitrovic +2 to 87

Perbet +1 to 86

Rinne +1 to 83

Schoofs +4 to 82

Verstraete +2 to 84

 

Oostende:

Proto -1 to 85- yes

Jali -1 to 83- yes

Dimata +7 to 84- +5 to 82

Bossaerts +2 to 77- +3 to 78

Canesin +1 to 84- nope

Marusic +1 to 84

Vandendriessche +2 to 84

Jonckheere +2 to 84

Rozehnal +1 to 84

Berrier +1 to 84

Milic +1 to 84

Capon +1 to 84

Godeau +2 to 84

Tomasevic +1 to 84

Antunes +1 to 78

Dutoit +1 to 84

 

Zulte-Waregem:

Coopman +5 to 82- yes

Gueye +1 to 78- yes

Lerager +2 to 84- +1 to 83

Baudry +2 to 84- nope

Kaya +1 to 84- nope

Hamalainen +1 to 84- nope

Derijck +1 to 84- nope

Lepoint +1 to 84- nope

Cordaro +1 to 84- nope

Steppe +1 to 83- nope

 

Charleroi:

Benavente +2 to 80- yes

Bedia +4 to 82- +2 to 80

Mata +2 to 84- +3 to 85

Martos +1 to 84- nope

Diandy +1 to 84- nope

Marcq +1 to 84- nope

N'Ganga +1 to 84- nope

Willems +2 to 84- nope

Baby +1 to 84- nope

Fall +3 to 83- nope

Dessoleil +2 to 82- nope

Harbaoui -1 to 83- nope

Hendrickx +2 to 80- nope

Poulain +3 to 73- nope

 

Mechelen:

Bjelica +2 to 82- yes

El Messaoudi +2 to 82- yes

Ninis -2 to 83- yes

Vanlerberghe +2 to 80- +4 to 82

Van Cleemput +5 to 75- +7 to 77

Rits +2 to 84- +3 to 85

Cobbaut +6 to 76- +7 to 77

Cocalic +1 to 84- nope

Coosemans +1 to 83- nope

Verdier +1 to 83- nope

Croizet +1 to 83- nope

Matthys +1 to 83- nope

Vitas +1 to 83- nope

Schouterden +1 to 83- nope

De Witte -1 to 82- nope

Peffer +3 to 73- nope

 

Genk:

Brabec +1 to 85- yes

Trossard +3 to 85- yes

Heynen +4 to 84- yes

Jackers +3 to 76- yes

Colley +3 to 85- yes

Castagne +3 to 85- yes

Schrijvers +2 to 84- yes

Samatta +3 to 85- yes

Pozuelo +1 to 86- +2 to 87

Berge +2 to 82- +5 to 85

Wouters +2 to 78- +1 to 77

Bizot +2 to 85- nope

Uronen +2 to 85- nope

Walsh +2 to 84- nope

Nastic +1 to 83- nope

Naranjo +1 to 83- nope

 

Standard Liege:

Scholz +1 to 86- yes

Belfodil +1 to 87- yes

Laifis +2 to 85- yes

Sa +2 to 86- +1 to 85

Edmilson +1 to 86- nope

Gillet +1 to 86- nope

Fai +2 to 85- nope

Enoh +1 to 86- nope

Cisse +2 to 85- nope

Fiore +2 to 84- nope

Andrade +1 to 84- nope

Hubert +2 to 84- nope

 

Kortrijk:

Kovacevic +2 to 82- yes

Stojanovic +2 to 80- yes

Papazoglu -1 to 82- yes

Saadi +2 to 84- +1 to 83

Rougeaux +4 to 80- +2 to 78

Sarr +2 to 78- +1 to 77

Rolland +2 to 84- nope

Kaminski +1 to 84- nope

Ouadi +1 to 83- nope

Goutas +1 to 83- nope

Joaozinho +1 to 84- nope

D'Haene +1 to 83- nope

Kage +1 to 84- nope

Mercier +1 to 83- nope

 

Lokeren:

Ngolok -2 to 80- yes

Terki +4 to 82- yes

Straetman +7 to 77- yes

Galitsios +1 to 84- nope

Copa +2 to 82- nope

Maric +1 to 84- nope

Skulason +1 to 84- nope

De Ridder +1 to 84- nope

De Sutter +1 to 84- nope

Ninaj +1 to 83- nope

Martin +1 to 78- nope

Patosi -1 to 82- nope

Carlos -2 to 80- nope

 

Sint-Truidense:

Djene +2 to 82- yes

Pulido -1 to 82- yes

Ceballos +2 to 80- yes

Boli +2 to 82- yes

Gerkens +2 to 84- yes

Pirard +3 to 80- +5 to 82

Bezus -1 to 84- -2 to 83

Janssens +1 to 76- +3 to 78

De Petter +1 to 83- nope

Kotysch +2 to 82- nope

Dussaut +2 to 80- nope

Mechele -1 to 84- nope

Valdivia -1 to 82- nope

Bruzzese -1 to 82- nope

 

Eupen:

Sylla +3 to 83- yes

Abdulrahman +4 to 80- yes

Diallo +2 to 80- yes

Lazare Amani +3 to 80- +1 to 78

Bruls -2 to 82- -1 to 83

Onyekuru +2 to 84- +3 to 85

Van Crombrugge +2 to 80- +4 to 82

Ocansey +3 to 80- +5 to 82

Diagne +1 to 83- nope

Garcia +2 to 82- nope

Hackenberg +2 to 80- nope

Bassey +2 to 80- nope

Jeffren -1 to 82- nope

Mbaye +1 to 76- nope

Mouchamps +3 to 73- nope

 

Wassland-Beveren:

Jans +1 to 83- yes

Seck +1 to 83- yes

Demir +2 to 82- yes

Gano +1 to 83- yes

Buatu +2 to 82- yes

Cools +2 to 82- yes

Boljevic +1 to 80- yes

Goblet +2 to 80- yes

Conte -1 to 83- yes

Camacho +4 to 82- +2 to 80

Popku +3 to 73- +6 to 76

Langil -1 to 82- nope

Schwartz -1 to 82- nope

 

Mouscron:

Huyghebaert +2 to 80- yes

Vojvoda +4 to 80- yes

Mohamed +2 to 80- yes

Simic +2 to 83- +1 to 82

Diedhiou +3 to 83- +2 to 82

Nkaka +7 to 77- +8 to 78

Trezeguet +1 to 83- +2 to 84

Hubert +1 to 84- nope

Peyre +2 to 82- nope

Delac +1 to 84- nope

Tirpan +2 to 80- nope

Matulevicius -2 to 80- nope

Vagner -1 to 82- nope

 

Westerlo:

Hyland -1 to 82

Ganvoula +5 to 83

Heylen +1 to 83

Acolatse +3 to 80

Rommens +3 to 80

Buyens -1 to 82

Henkens -2 to 80

Annys -2 to 80

Mustoe +1 to 78

De Ceulaer -2 to 80

 

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8 hours ago, Monolithic said:

Possibly in terms of the top 3. But across the whole division, Belgium will have significantly higher ratings so I can't see any big issue there.

It's the top clubs that contribute virtually everything to the country's Uefa coefficient. Those are exactly the best clubs to compare. "Belgium will have significantly higher ratings", not at all m8.

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2 hours ago, 1000dB said:

It's the top clubs that contribute virtually everything to the country's Uefa coefficient. Those are exactly the best clubs to compare. "Belgium will have significantly higher ratings", not at all m8.

Look this is daft. Holland have 3 good teams and SM clearly see it like that too. If you think Belgium's top 3 are stronger that's cool. But below that, the Belgian teams are generally rated higher. 

Anyway, let's agree to disagree and move on...

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On 17/04/2017 at 10:19 PM, Sir Rahul said:

BELGIUM JUPILER LEAGUE

Anderlecht:

Tielemans +1 to 88- yes

Dendoncker +1 to 88- yes

Sowah +3 to 78- yes

Obradovic +1 to 86- yes

Hanni +1 to 87- +2 to 88

Nuytinck +2 to 86- +1 to 85

Boeckx +5 to 83- +3 to 82

Teodorczyk +1 to 87

Chipciu +1 to 86

Martinez +1 to 84

 

Club Brugge:

Pina -1 to 87- yes

Wesley +3 to 83- yes

Cools +6 to 84- +4 to 82

Butelle +1 to 86- nope

Poulain +2 to 85- nope

Limbombe +1 to 84- nope

Horvath +1 to 83- nope

 

Gent:

Foket +2 to 87- yes

Kalu +4 to 82- yes

Saief +2 to 85- yes

Simon +1 to 86- yes

Gigot +2 to 84- +3 to 85

Thoelen +5 to 82- +3 to 80

Gershon +3 to 86- +1 to 84

Coulibaly +3 to 86- +2 to 85

Esiti +4 to 84- +5 to 85

De Smet +5 to 75- +3 to 73

Kubo +1 to 86- +2 to 87

Matton +1 to 84- -1 to 82

Mitrovic +2 to 87- nope

Perbet +1 to 86- nope

Rinne +1 to 83- nope

Schoofs +4 to 82- nope

Verstraete +2 to 84- nope

 

Oostende:

Proto -1 to 85- yes

Jali -1 to 83- yes

Marusic +1 to 84- +2 to 85

Dimata +7 to 84- +5 to 82

Bossaerts +2 to 77- +3 to 78

Canesin +1 to 84- nope

Vandendriessche +2 to 84- nope

Jonckheere +2 to 84- nope

Rozehnal +1 to 84- nope

Berrier +1 to 84- nope

Milic +1 to 84- nope

Capon +1 to 84- nope

Godeau +2 to 84- nope

Tomasevic +1 to 84- nope

Antunes +1 to 78- nope

Dutoit +1 to 84- nope

 

Zulte-Waregem:

Coopman +5 to 82- yes

Gueye +1 to 78- yes

Lerager +2 to 84- +1 to 83

Baudry +2 to 84- nope

Kaya +1 to 84- nope

Hamalainen +1 to 84- nope

Derijck +1 to 84- nope

Lepoint +1 to 84- nope

Cordaro +1 to 84- nope

Steppe +1 to 83- nope

 

Charleroi:

Benavente +2 to 80- yes

Bedia +4 to 82- +2 to 80

Mata +2 to 84- +3 to 85

Martos +1 to 84- nope

Diandy +1 to 84- nope

Marcq +1 to 84- nope

N'Ganga +1 to 84- nope

Willems +2 to 84- nope

Baby +1 to 84- nope

Fall +3 to 83- nope

Dessoleil +2 to 82- nope

Harbaoui -1 to 83- nope

Hendrickx +2 to 80- nope

Poulain +3 to 73- nope

 

Mechelen:

Bjelica +2 to 82- yes

El Messaoudi +2 to 82- yes

Ninis -2 to 83- yes

Vanlerberghe +2 to 80- +4 to 82

Van Cleemput +5 to 75- +7 to 77

Rits +2 to 84- +3 to 85

Cobbaut +6 to 76- +7 to 77

Cocalic +1 to 84- nope

Coosemans +1 to 83- nope

Verdier +1 to 83- nope

Croizet +1 to 83- nope

Matthys +1 to 83- nope

Vitas +1 to 83- nope

Schouterden +1 to 83- nope

De Witte -1 to 82- nope

Peffer +3 to 73- nope

 

Genk:

Brabec +1 to 85- yes

Trossard +3 to 85- yes

Heynen +4 to 84- yes

Jackers +3 to 76- yes

Colley +3 to 85- yes

Castagne +3 to 85- yes

Schrijvers +2 to 84- yes

Samatta +3 to 85- yes

Pozuelo +1 to 86- +2 to 87

Berge +2 to 82- +5 to 85

Wouters +2 to 78- +1 to 77

Bizot +2 to 85- nope

Uronen +2 to 85- nope

Walsh +2 to 84- nope

Nastic +1 to 83- nope

Naranjo +1 to 83- nope

 

Standard Liege:

Scholz +1 to 86- yes

Belfodil +1 to 87- yes

Laifis +2 to 85- yes

Sa +2 to 86- +1 to 85

Edmilson +1 to 86- nope

Gillet +1 to 86- nope

Fai +2 to 85- nope

Enoh +1 to 86- nope

Cisse +2 to 85- nope

Fiore +2 to 84- nope

Andrade +1 to 84- nope

Hubert +2 to 84- nope

 

Kortrijk:

Kovacevic +2 to 82- yes

Stojanovic +2 to 80- yes

Papazoglu -1 to 82- yes

Saadi +2 to 84- +1 to 83

Rougeaux +4 to 80- +2 to 78

Sarr +2 to 78- +1 to 77

Rolland +2 to 84- nope

Kaminski +1 to 84- nope

Ouadi +1 to 83- nope

Goutas +1 to 83- nope

Joaozinho +1 to 84- nope

D'Haene +1 to 83- nope

Kage +1 to 84- nope

Mercier +1 to 83- nope

 

Lokeren:

Ngolok -2 to 80- yes

Terki +4 to 82- yes

Straetman +7 to 77- yes

Galitsios +1 to 84- nope

Copa +2 to 82- nope

Maric +1 to 84- nope

Skulason +1 to 84- nope

De Ridder +1 to 84- nope

De Sutter +1 to 84- nope

Ninaj +1 to 83- nope

Martin +1 to 78- nope

Patosi -1 to 82- nope

Carlos -2 to 80- nope

 

Sint-Truidense:

Djene +2 to 82- yes

Pulido -1 to 82- yes

Ceballos +2 to 80- yes

Boli +2 to 82- yes

Gerkens +2 to 84- yes

Pirard +3 to 80- +5 to 82

Bezus -1 to 84- -2 to 83

Janssens +1 to 76- +3 to 78

De Petter +1 to 83- nope

Kotysch +2 to 82- nope

Dussaut +2 to 80- nope

Mechele -1 to 84- nope

Valdivia -1 to 82- nope

Bruzzese -1 to 82- nope

 

Eupen:

Sylla +3 to 83- yes

Abdulrahman +4 to 80- yes

Diallo +2 to 80- yes

Lazare Amani +3 to 80- +1 to 78

Bruls -2 to 82- -1 to 83

Onyekuru +2 to 84- +3 to 85

Van Crombrugge +2 to 80- +4 to 82

Ocansey +3 to 80- +5 to 82

Diagne +1 to 83- nope

Garcia +2 to 82- nope

Hackenberg +2 to 80- nope

Bassey +2 to 80- nope

Jeffren -1 to 82- nope

Mbaye +1 to 76- nope

Mouchamps +3 to 73- nope

 

Wassland-Beveren:

Jans +1 to 83- yes

Seck +1 to 83- yes

Demir +2 to 82- yes

Gano +1 to 83- yes

Buatu +2 to 82- yes

Cools +2 to 82- yes

Boljevic +1 to 80- yes

Goblet +2 to 80- yes

Conte -1 to 83- yes

Camacho +4 to 82- +2 to 80

Popku +3 to 73- +6 to 76

Langil -1 to 82- nope

Schwartz -1 to 82- nope

 

Mouscron:

Huyghebaert +2 to 80- yes

Vojvoda +4 to 80- yes

Mohamed +2 to 80- yes

Simic +2 to 83- +1 to 82

Diedhiou +3 to 83- +2 to 82

Nkaka +7 to 77- +8 to 78

Trezeguet +1 to 83- +2 to 84

Hubert +1 to 84- nope

Peyre +2 to 82- nope

Delac +1 to 84- nope

Tirpan +2 to 80- nope

Matulevicius -2 to 80- nope

Vagner -1 to 82- nope

 

Westerlo:

Hyland -1 to 82

Ganvoula +5 to 83

Heylen +1 to 83

Acolatse +3 to 80

Rommens +3 to 80

Buyens -1 to 82

Henkens -2 to 80

Annys -2 to 80

Mustoe +1 to 78

De Ceulaer -2 to 80

 

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18 hours ago, Monolithic said:

Look this is daft. Holland have 3 good teams and SM clearly see it like that too. If you think Belgium's top 3 are stronger that's cool. But below that, the Belgian teams are generally rated higher. 

Anyway, let's agree to disagree and move on...

Mono please, let alone the entire Eredivisie top 3 being rated higher than the Pro League's top 3, still the clubs that contribute the most to the Uefa coefficient, the likes of Genk, Ostend, Essevee, Charleroi, etc. are rated lower than AZ, Utrecht, Twente, Vitesse, etc.

The Uefa coefficient, no better/more objective tool to compare leagues in Europe, clearly shows Belgian clubs outperforming Dutch ones over a very long timeframe ... but hey-ho, like your "proof", I'll add a bit of anectodal evidence myself:

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16 minutes ago, 1000dB said:

Mono please, let alone the entire Eredivisie top 3 being rated higher than the Pro League's top 3, still the clubs that contribute the most to the Uefa coefficient, the likes of Genk, Ostend, Essevee, Charleroi, etc. are rated lower than AZ, Utrecht, Twente, Vitesse, etc.

The Uefa coefficient, no better/more objective tool to compare leagues in Europe, clearly shows Belgian clubs outperforming Dutch ones over a very long timeframe ... but hey-ho, like your "proof", I'll add a bit of anectodal evidence myself:

Sorry, but maybe you missed me saying "agree to disagree". In other words, l don't consider this board to be an argument that a person must win. Now, let's move on...

 

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On 28/6/2017 at 9:03 AM, Monolithic said:

Very generous rises across almost the entire league so far. Without wishing any disrespect to any fans of those teams, the Belgian league isn't that good.

 

1 hour ago, Monolithic said:

Sorry, but maybe you missed me saying "agree to disagree". In other words, l don't consider this board to be an argument that a person must win. Now, let's move on...

Sure, still why did you bring it up? The argument in favour of the Belgian league is much stronger. After half a decade of outperforming the Eredivisie clubs (Belgium have even been ranked higher for longer BTW), it's well overdue to see this reflected in the ratings. Probably SM will still rate the Eredivisie clubs higher after being ranked below the Pro League for an entire decade. They haven't even started closing the gap and it won't be bridged anytime soon. #JusticeForBelgium

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