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    GrangeEndGone got a reaction from Fez17_1888 in Help With Deal(s) Thread...   
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    thanks for that, but he has gone
    Hulk and Walcott are my main forwards with De Jong as backup
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    Being able to list players to loan out then having the chairman refusing to let them out on loan!!!
    GREAT FUNZ!!!
    Just SO stupid...
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    GrangeEndGone got a reaction from ruggermad in Official Euro 2012 Thread   
    Re: Official Euro 2012 Thread
    A totally unbiased view on the championships...
    http://myonlycardiff.com/2012/05/23/euro-2012-illustrated-preview/
    and a selection of 'Greatest Moments'...
    http://myonlycardiff.com/2012/05/27/european-championship-classic-moments-1992-2008/
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    GrangeEndGone reacted to BroodRoosterNL in -||Eredivisie Ratings II - 12/13 Winter Predictions Up! - by BRNL||-   
    Re: -||Eredivisie Ratings II - End of Season Ratings Up! - by BRNL||-

    Updated all the ratings and added a list with all the biggest risers (+3 or higher) on the first page!
    Please do not ask about "Player xxxxx rising?". Go look it up on the first two pages! Saves me and other people who've been helping out on this thread a lot of time (I won't be answering those questions anyway btw). Thanks in advance!


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    GrangeEndGone got a reaction from argala in Belgium - low rated players with minutes   
    Re: Belgium - low rated players with minutes
    I have a Div 5 team where mid to high 70's are competative
    Can you suggest a DM rated around 74/77 who might rise a point or two?
    thanks a lot...
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    GrangeEndGone got a reaction from kdBz in Need a DM/CM   
    Re: Need a DM/CM
    You could look at Junior Paulinho as a backup and one for the future
    He is 23 and rated 88 and just had a decent rise
    He would cost around £8/9 million from an external club
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    GrangeEndGone reacted to Glenn Hysén in Best risers: argentina e ecuador   
    Re: Best risers: argentina e ecuador
    I don't have a list but here are two cheap' date=' and I guess big risers from Ecuador. Both playing for Le Nacional which ended on third place.
    [b']Juan Anangono, 22 yrs CF, currently 74-rated 220K.[/b]
    I guess he will rise to anything between 80-83
    Flavio Caicedo, 23 yrs, CM, currently 74-rated 200K
    I guess he will rise to anything between 80-82
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    GrangeEndGone reacted to DerbyPower in PORTUGAL - 1st Division extensive thread   
    Re: PORTUGAL - 1st Division extensive thread
    The second part of the thread consists in two compilations: the best risers for the next ratings change and the most talented young players in the league.
    Hot prospects:
    James Rodríguez (FC Porto) - 87 --> 89/88 James is currently the brightest spark in Porto's otherwise fairly poor start to the season. He was André Villas-Boas' choice to compete for a place in the wings last season. His adaptation to the European football went rather quickly and despite not playing much in his first 6 months with the club it was only a matter of time before he displaced Varela in the starting squad afterwards. Since his last review (20th May) he played 11 matches for Porto, scoring 8 goals and grabbing 5 assists. This includes the last match of the 2010/2011 season (after the review was complete), which was an MotM performance against Guimarães in the Portuguese Cup final. He scored an hattrick and left everyone drooling at the prospect of seeing him play next season. Unfortunately for Porto he was summoned to represent Colombia in the U-20 World Cup. This meant he would miss Porto's first three matches, including the European Supercup clash against Barcelona. Anyway, he was elected Colombia's captain and lived up to his reputation by scoring 3 goals and providing 2 assists in 5 matches. Colombia eventually fell out of the tournament against rivals Mexico, but James' performances in the competition earned him rave reviews. More recently he finally made his transition to the National Team squad, playing the full 90 minutes in Colombia's first match of the qualifiers for the 2012 WC, which ended with an important victory against Bolivia. Once again James was considered MotM, creating dangerous opportunities for his team mates as well as leading a counter-attack which eventually resulted in Falcao's winner in the dying minutes of the game. So this is where we stand: James is currently rated at 87 and he will easily rise to 89. This was the exact same rise that Varela had one year ago, the difference is that James is playing Champions League football (Varela was playing in Europa League) and James is now starting for Colombia (Varela only made his debut for Portugal later). However I wouldn't rule out 88 as well due to a couple of matches spent on the bench more recently. At 20 years of age we're looking at one of the most promising footballers of the Portuguese League and it won't take long before the bids start raining...
    Kléber (FC Porto) - 84 --> 87 Not remotely as important to the squad as James, the Brazilian made a decent impact himself. Kléber joined on a cheap deal from Brazilian club At. Mineiro after playing two seasons on loan to the Portuguese club Marítimo. Most of Porto's fans were expecting a big signing after Falcao's departure, but after seeing a huge bid for Damião get rejected Kléber was the only replacement available given Walter's personal problems. So, OK, Kléber's scoring record looks pale in comparison to Falcao's, but I believe we're still very far from seeing the best Kléber in action. His tally is set at 6 goals in 15 matches which I believe is enough for a rise to 87, still fairly low for a starter in Porto mind you. Surprisingly, Mano Menezes decided to call him for his debut with the National Team due to several injuries on more important players (Pato and Damiao), but Kléber himself suffered from a dislocated shoulder in the match against Zenit and had to skip the trip to Brazil. Eventually he made grabbed his first cap on an international friendly against Gabon. Kléber is definitely one to look out for. As soon as he reaches the same form he had in Marítimo he'll start banging them in regularly. He's one of those players who'll keep rising steadily, so make sure you don't sell him too soon.
    Gaitán (Benfica) - 88 --> 89/90 Seen as a short-term replacement for Di Maria and a long-term replacement for Aimar, Gaitán established himself as one of the most flamboyant players in Portugal this season. He's very quick, possesses the typical South-American technique and has a knack for scoring screamers. Gaitán is one of those players who is simply unstoppable on his day, adding that extra flair to the match. While not always being Benfica's most effective player he's certainly the flashiest. He still suffers from the trequartista syndrome, so yeah he has a couple of matches where he's pretty much inconsequent, but all in all every team should look to have one of these. He's very similar to Nasri and it's no wonder that Manchester United are looking to get their hands on him. I have him down to a +1 with an outside chance of a +2. He doesn't play much for Argentina and honestly I think he should end the next ratings change with the same rating as James (89) but he might make it to 90, you never know it with SM these days...
    Rodrigo (Benfica) - 82 --> 85 Real Madrid made Benfica pay a hefty sum for Rodrigo last season (6 million euros) and most people were sceptical over his loan move to Bolton. Apparently he did well enough in England to convince Bolton to launch another loan bid for him, but he was requested to stay at Benfica this time, and rightly so. Rodrigo has seen his game time increase lately and despite playing only four times as a starter he already has 5 goals to his name. He's also an important player for the youth levels of Spain's National Team and leads the scoring charts with 10 goals in 8 matches with the U-20 and U-21 this year. I think he is best suited for an inside forward role, seeing that he is capable of playing both as a striker and as a winger, but Benfica always puts a 4-4-2 into use, which might not be the best formation for Rodrigo. I'd play him over Saviola since the Argentinian has never been able to recover the form he had in his first year in Benfica. The manager is slowly starting to agree with this. Rodrigo should have even more first team opportunities in the future if Saviola leaves in January and I'm backing him to do well.
    Carrillo (Sporting CP) - 78 --> 83 It had been a while since Sporting had decent wingers. This year they made three good signings for that position. One of them is Carrillo. How to describe this guy... Well, he's Nani's clone. Extremely fast, loves to cut inside and his dribbling ability allows him to cripple the Portuguese defenders without breaking a sweat. As soon as he undergoes a physical transformation similar to Nani's I'm sure he's going places. He was reviewed recently in the South-American section, but honestly I thought a +2 was unfair for his deeds with Allianza Lima. He hasn't played much as a starter for Sporting (Capel is favoured) but he has made his debut for Peru. Granted, they aren't the strongest South-American National Team, but playing for a National Team and being rated 78 doesn't make sense to me. I predicted a +5 although a +4 would also be fair. Keep an eye on him.
    Rubio (Sporting CP) - 75 --> 80 Another South-American prospect that went to Sporting this season. Colo-Colo fans were disappointed to lose him so cheaply and I think Sporting made a great bargain. Rubio had a lot of highlights in the pre-season but the manager prefers to use a single striker in his formation and Rubio's game time has been limited due to Wolfswinkel's great form. At just 18 he was capped twice for Chile's National Team (probably to avoid being eligible for Germany, but hey, it still counts!) and he skipped the Chilean rating change due to his transfer move. As such I predict a rise to 80 for the lad, specially for his performances in Libertadores where he scored some important goals for Colo-Colo. I would give him a +7, but I know SM will never be so generous. I don't see him as mere money spinner, so keep him. The season is very long and he's young enough to take his time before breaking into the squad.
    Wilson Eduardo (Olhanense, on loan from Sporting CP) - 80 --> 83 I made a scout report on Wilson Eduardo two years ago so I won't dwell much on his qualities. I rate him highly and so does the staff at Sporting. He should return to the club next season and fight for a place in the team. Meanwhile he's helping Olhanense with vital goals. 4 goals in 10 matches is a decent record in a mid-table team and Wilson Eduardo cemented a starting place which he'll keep for most of the season. He isn't a money spinner and although it could take a while he has the potential to get at least close to 90.
    Kelvin (Rio Ave, on loan from FC Porto) - 77 --> 80 According to our dear Insider, Kelvin is one of the brightest talents to come out of Paraná in recent times. He played an important role for the team, albeit in the 2nd division. Kelvin is a very Robinho-esque player. Agile and flashy with the ball on his feet, he does like to beat his man repeatedly and so far he is the talent behind Rio Ave's attack, although the team is struggling to get results at the moment. I am eagerly anticipating his return next season because he is a player who needs a lot of ball possession to perform at his maximum, and Rio Ave is not the most indicated team for that... Still, playing in the Brazilian 2nd division is a lot different from playing in the Portuguese League and Kelvin is taking this new step with a lot of enthusiasm.
    Atsu (Rio Ave, on loan from FC Porto) - 75 --> 80 Atsu is the most talented winger to come out of Porto's youth academy in the past half decade. I know 'cause I've watched him play for the youth team. Rio Ave is among the youngest teams in the league but the lack of experience isn't bothering Atsu even a bit, grabbing the odd goal and assist when it matters most. He's very fast on the ball and his crossing would shame any of Porto's wingers except James. His transition to senior football was better than I thought it would be and although I'm not expecting him to return to Porto next season (I'd like it very much though!) it won't take much longer should he continue to develop at this rate. Surprisingly he never played for Ghana's youth teams nor at the highest level. As such he will be available to play for Portugal soon if he wishes to do so. Definitely a contender to the YPotS.
    Guilherme (Gil Vicente, on loan from Braga) - 75 --> 76 Supposedly Barcelona wanted him at some point. Probably not true but it might give you a hint regarding his potential. Guilherme impressed a lot towards the end of the last season (that's what reports say at least, honestly I never saw him play) and I think it would be sensible to include him in the talents lot. He hasn't played that much for Gil Vicente but to be fair they prefer to use most of the players who handled them the promotion in the first place. He might return to Braga next season and I'd keep him on shortlist just in case.
    Money spinners:
    Ewerton (Braga) - 78 --> 83/84 (+5/6) Minutes: 990/1270, 1 goal, 0 assists
    N'Diaye (Guimarães) - 77 --> 81/82 (+3/4) Minutes: 900/1270, 1 goal, 0 assists
    Abdoulaye (Académica, on loan from FC Porto) - 77 --> 82 (+5) Minutes: 800/900, 1 goal, 0 assists
    Sissoko (Académica) - 75 --> 80 (+5) Minutes: 780/900, 0 goals, 2 assists
    Cauê (Olhanense) - 76 --> 80 (+4/5) Minutes: 720/900, 1 goal, 1 assist
    Salvador Agra (Olhanense) - 76 --> 79/80 (+3/4) Minutes: 313/900, 1 goal, 1 assist
    Elvis (Leiria, on loan from Benfica) - 75 --> 79/80 (+4/5) Minutes: 508/990, 1 goal, 0 assists
    Djaniny (Leiria) - 75 --> 80 (+5) Minutes: 519/900, 0 goals, 0 assists
    Melgarejo (Paços de Ferreira, on loan from Benfica) - 76 --> 80/81 (+4) Minutes: 550/1080, 4 goals, 0 assists
    Elizeu (Nacional da Madeira) - 75 --> 80 (+5) Minutes: 763/1440, 1 goal, 0 assists
    Sami (Marítimo) - 76 --> 81/82 (+5/6) Minutes: 736/990, 1 goal, 0 assists
    Facchini (Gil Vicente) - 76 --> 81/82 (+5/6) Minutes: 720/900, 0 goals, 0 assists
    Claudio (Gil Vicente) - 76 --> 82 (+6) Minutes: 720/900, 4 goals, 0 assists
    Caiçara (Gil Vicente) - 75 --> 81/82 (+6/7) Minutes: 810/900, 0 goals, 0 assists
    Andre Cunha (Gil Vicente) - 76 --> 80 (+4) Minutes: 597/900, 0 goals, 0 assists
    Luis Manuel (Gil Vicente) - 76 --> 80 (+4) Minutes: 543/900, 0 goals, 0 assists
    Hugo Vieira (Gil Vicente) - 75 --> 80 (+5) Minutes: 578/900, 1 goal, 2 assists
    Mika (Feirense) - 72 --> 78 (+6) Minutes: 480/900, 0 goals, 0 assists
    Nuno Henrique (Feirense) - 75 --> 80 (+5) Minutes: 630/900, 0 goals, 1 assist
    Diogo Cunha (Feirense) - 75 --> 80 (+5) Minutes: 592/900, 0 goals, 1 assist
    Ludovic (Feirense) - 74 --> 80 (+6) Minutes: 540/900, 1 goal, 1 assist
    FREE BEER! Have I got your attention? Great. QUESTIONS ON THE DISCUSSION THREAD, NOT HERE.
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    GrangeEndGone got a reaction from -JMH- in SLOVENIA Thread Oct 2011   
    Re: SLOVENIA Thread Oct 2011
    thank you...
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    GrangeEndGone reacted to -JMH- in SLOVENIA Thread Oct 2011   
    Re: SLOVENIA Thread Oct 2011
    only half done mate, gotta sort transfers & new guys yet....hopefully have it done by tonight.
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    GrangeEndGone reacted to Juanchitoox in Uruguayan League   
    Well mates, this is my first attempt to do some ratings predictions.
    First of all an explanation of the Uruguayan League. The League is based in two short tournaments. The first tournament is called "Apertura" and the second one is called "Clausura". In the Apertura the teams play 1 game between each others. Those who play as "home" are drawed and they play as "visitors" in the "Clausura". The winner of the "Apertura" face the winner of the "Clausura" in two games to decide who is the new Uruguayan champion. Another side thing is also played and that is the year's overall (called "La Anual"), counting all the points done in both "Apertura" and "Clausura" The winner of the "La Anual" has an extra bonus when (and if) play the finals having one of the finals "already won". The places for the international cups are decided by "La Anual".
    I know its a complex tournament but just wanted to let you know how it works here.
    BEST PROSPECTS



    Name: Jonathan Rodríguez
    Age: 21
    Position: Forward
    Team: Peñarol
    Rating: 82
    Attributes: Deadly speed and potency. Showed he is a good finisher. Currently one of the top players of the league.
    Note: Called to be part of the senior NT.


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    Name: Giorgian De Arrascaeta
    Age: 20
    Position: Forward/Playmaker
    Team: Defensor Sporting
    Rating: 83
    Attributes: Very talented with the ball. Great tactically with a very good passing ability. His dribbling is also pure quality.
    Note: Former #10 of the U20 NT that reached the finals of the last WC. Part of the senior NT now.


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    Name: Gastón Pereiro
    Age: 19
    Position: Playmaker/Winger
    Team: Nacional
    Rating: 78
    Attributes: Technically gifted. Great skill with the ball and a height to envy for such quality with the ball on his feets.

    ANY QUESTION ABOUT PLAYERS IN THIS LEAGUE PLEASE FEEL FREE TO POST AND ASK, I WILL GLADLY TRY TO HELP.
    IN THE NEWS I WILL BOLD THE NAME OF THE YOUNGSTERS WHICH ARE ONES YOU ARE REALLY INTERESTED TO KNOW ABOUT
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    GrangeEndGone reacted to van_der_haha in Wage increase concern   
    Re: Wage increase concern
    Let me explain the wages a little.
    Please take into consideration that this is the current wage structure by ratings
    98- 100,000+
    97- 95,000+
    96- 90,000+
    95- 80,000+
    94- 63,000+
    93- 59,000+
    92- 55,000+
    91- 49,000+
    90- 45,000+
    89- 32,000+
    88- 27,000+
    87- 23,000+
    86- 21,000+
    80-85-15,000+
    75-79- 7,500+
    70-74- 3,500+
    below 70- 1,500+
    If the player's wages is too low for the ratings for too long, the player gets wages concern. Replying to the original topic post, I assume your concerned player was once in the late 70 margin then had a jump into the 80s these past few rating changes. If so, then this would help explain your situation.
    If I made any mistakes on the ratings scale, I apologize- I estimated them from past experience.
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    GrangeEndGone reacted to NariN in Swap for Alonso?   
    Re: Swap for Alonso?
    I would do it.I doubt that Song will ever get 94 and Xabi is really good player,and he can play at least for 3,4 years on same level.
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    Re: Players: Should I buy, sell or keep?
    thank you.
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    GrangeEndGone reacted to Stevie Blade in Stevies Guide: Best Positions In Each Formation   
    Basically i shall list all the different formations and put what position players will play best in. It may seem obvious to us more expierenced people but this is basically for the newbies. I shall list the best position first and then if it is possible for another position to play there that will come second, EG - LM/W. I think a thread like this was made a long time ago, but since the newish formations like 4-3-3 wingers has been added, i thought i will do it again. Sorry if it isnt amazingly clear
    Here it goes.

    4-4-2
    G
    -RB-CB-CB-LB-
    -RM/W-CM-CM-LM/W-
    -CF/F-CF/F-
    3-3-4
    G
    CB/RB-CB-CB/LB
    CM/RM-CM-CM/LM
    -F/W-CF/F-CF/F-CF/W-
    3-5-2
    G
    -CB/RB-CB-CB/LB-
    -DM/CM-
    -RM/W-CM-CM-LM/W-
    -CF/F-CF/F-
    4-2-4
    G
    -RB-CB-CB-LB-
    -CM-CM-
    -W/F-----------------W/F-
    -CF/F-CF/F-
    4-3-1-2
    G
    -RB-CB-CB-LB-
    -CM/RM-CM-CM/LM-
    -AM/F-
    -CF/F-CF/F-
    4-3-3
    G
    -RB-CB-CB-LB
    -CM/RM-CM-CM/LM-
    -F/CF-CF/F-F/CF
    4-4-2 Diamond
    G
    -RB-CB-CB-LB
    -DM/CM-
    -W/RM---------------------W/LM-
    -AM/CM-
    -CF/F-CF/F-
    4-5-1
    G
    -RB-CB-CB-LB
    -RM/W-CM-CM-LM/W-
    -AM/CM-
    -CF/F-
    5-2-3
    G
    -CB/RB-CB-CB/LB-
    -RM-----------------LM-
    -CM-CM-
    -F/CF-CF/F-F/CF-
    5-3-2
    G
    -CB/RB-CB-CB/LB-
    -RM/W---------DM/CM----------LM/W-
    -CM----------CM-
    -CF/F-CF/F-
    5-4-1
    G
    -CB/RB-CB-CB/LB-
    RM/W--------------DM/CM-------------LM/W
    -CM----------CM-
    AM/CM
    CF/F
    3-4-1-2
    G
    -CB/RB-CB-CB/LB-
    -RM/W-CM-CM-LM/W
    -AM/F-
    -CF/F-CF/F-
    3-4-2-1
    G
    -CB/RB-CB-CB/LB-
    -RM/W-CM-CM-LM/W-
    -AM/F-AM/F-
    -CF/F-
    4-2-2-2
    G
    -RB-CB-CB-LB
    -DM/CM---------DM/CM-
    -AM/RM/W---------------------AM/LM/W-
    -CF/F-CF/F-
    4-3-3 Wingers
    G
    -RB-CB-CB-LB
    -DM/CM-
    -CM--------CM-
    -W--------------------W-
    -CF/F-
    4-3-2-1
    G
    -RB-CB-CB-LB
    -DM/CM-
    -RM/CM---------LM/CM
    -AM/F-AM/F-
    -CF/F-
    4-4-1-1
    G
    RB-CB-CB-LB
    -RM/W-CM-CM-LM/W-
    -AM-F
    -CF/F-
    4-1-3-2
    G
    -RB-CB-CB-LB
    -DM/CM-
    -AM/RM/CM-AM/CM-AM/LM/CM-
    -CF/F-CF/F-
    4-2-3-1
    G
    -RB-CB-CB-LB
    -DM/CM-DM/CM-
    -W/RM---------AM/CM---------W/LM-
    -CF/F-
    4-5-1 Defensive
    G
    -RB-CB-CB-LB-
    -DM/CM-
    -RM/W-CM-CM-LM/W
    -CF/F-
    5-3-2 Sweeper
    G
    -CB-
    -RB------------LB-
    -RM/W----------DM/CM-----------LM/W-
    -CM-------CM-
    -CF/F-CF/F-
    5-3-2 Defensive
    G
    -CB-
    -RB-CB-CB-LB
    -CM/RM-CM-CM/LM-
    -CF/F-CF/F-
    Theres probably a few mistakes, and i probably will have got some things wrong, feel free to comment and add corrections if needed.



    P.S - Very bored when i made this
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    GrangeEndGone reacted to Insider in As Requested; August 2010 Brazilian Predictions.   
    Re: As Requested; August 2010 Brazilian Predictions.
    New update.
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    GrangeEndGone reacted to Nikidinho in Young RB 90+   
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    srna should last for a few years, but some really good longterm buys are azpilicueta, van der wiel, corchia
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    GrangeEndGone got a reaction from Dai in Official FIFA World Cup 2010 Thread   
    Re: Official FIFA World Cup 2010 Discussions Thread
    I watched England's defeat yesterday thinking what I normally do when they bow out of major tournaments and this led me to think that I would be putting together a 20.000 word thesis on here about what is wrong with the British game (it's not just England's problem). I thought that, with Lampard's "goal" to give them the perfect excuse to ignore what I have thought has been obvious for eight years or more, the pundits would be up in arms at the injustice of it all, but, fair play, the consensus has been that England were stuffed and that "the goal that wasn't" was just a side issue.
    Therefore, this isn't going to be the mega long post that I thought it would be because much of what I was going to say is being said elsewhere by people from within the game. For example, Harry Redknapp talked of Germany playing modern football, Graham Taylor said that he didn't think a team playing 4-4-2 would ever win a World Cup again and David Pleat spoke of England playing football in straight lines as the sterile, dated and completely predictable formation they used was picked apart by opponents who were light years ahead of them in terms of wit and imagination.
    However, all of the those I have mentioned seemed to still be of the opinion that England had the players to be a real force in the world game - I'm still wondering why they, and all the others who trot this out, actually believe that. Most of the players in that team yesterday have formed their reputation playing in a league where the standard of defending is of average quality and so all the goals scored in recent seasons in the Premiership by the likes of Rooney, Lampard and Gerrard become devalued somewhat and, apart from the first named in 2004, none of those three (and no other England player in the last twenty years or so) have been stand out performers in major international tournaments. The likes of Ashley Cole, Ferdinand, Beckham and Scholes have been influential at times, but the quality that we are constantly told about isn't there when you judge the players by the high standards needed to win World and European international competitions.
    Chris Waddle might have made a right mess of managing Burnley a few years back, but I found myself wishing there were more around who thought like him when I heard him speaking about how the British get football coaching wrong virtually from the moment a kid starts playing the game. With eleven a side matches for eight and nine year olds (often watched by parents who treat the whole thing as if their son or daughter is playing in a World Cup Final) played on full size pitches, it is those who kick the ball furthest and those with the speed to get to those punts downfield first who prosper as the British game's infatuation with pace and power takes a grip right from the start.
    Now pace and power can be very important weapons in the modern game, but too often, some British players with pace don't have the intelligence to best utilise it while others lack the technique to deliver what they are attempting - as long as they stay fit, kids with real pace at eight or nine don't lose it in their teenage years, so they should be given the chance to enjoy improving their skills and footballing know how by playing in matches in which those with talent prosper and not just the sprinters. It's a bit different for "powerful" youngsters because often the advantage their physique gave them in junior football disappears as those in their age group grow quicker than them or, if they maintain their physical advantage, then their sheer size becomes a hindrance which can make them look clumsy and uncoordinated, but, once again, the advantages of concentrating on developing the football skills of such kids for about six or seven years from the age of, say, nine seems obvious to me.
    Unfortunately, the infatuation with "power" continues at senior levels in the British game though and by then this more often than not means spirited but limited, musclebound, scufflers rather than true footballers with the physical strength needed to succeed. The best International teams are full of the latter but England had a few of the former in their side yesterday - British managers tell us that they would love to have such scrappers alongside them in the trenches in a war, but why do they keep on insisting on using them against the likes of Ozil and Muller on a football pitch!
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    I watched England's defeat yesterday thinking what I normally do when they bow out of major tournaments and this led me to think that I would be putting together a 20.000 word thesis on here about what is wrong with the British game (it's not just England's problem). I thought that, with Lampard's "goal" to give them the perfect excuse to ignore what I have thought has been obvious for eight years or more, the pundits would be up in arms at the injustice of it all, but, fair play, the consensus has been that England were stuffed and that "the goal that wasn't" was just a side issue.
    Therefore, this isn't going to be the mega long post that I thought it would be because much of what I was going to say is being said elsewhere by people from within the game. For example, Harry Redknapp talked of Germany playing modern football, Graham Taylor said that he didn't think a team playing 4-4-2 would ever win a World Cup again and David Pleat spoke of England playing football in straight lines as the sterile, dated and completely predictable formation they used was picked apart by opponents who were light years ahead of them in terms of wit and imagination.
    However, all of the those I have mentioned seemed to still be of the opinion that England had the players to be a real force in the world game - I'm still wondering why they, and all the others who trot this out, actually believe that. Most of the players in that team yesterday have formed their reputation playing in a league where the standard of defending is of average quality and so all the goals scored in recent seasons in the Premiership by the likes of Rooney, Lampard and Gerrard become devalued somewhat and, apart from the first named in 2004, none of those three (and no other England player in the last twenty years or so) have been stand out performers in major international tournaments. The likes of Ashley Cole, Ferdinand, Beckham and Scholes have been influential at times, but the quality that we are constantly told about isn't there when you judge the players by the high standards needed to win World and European international competitions.
    Chris Waddle might have made a right mess of managing Burnley a few years back, but I found myself wishing there were more around who thought like him when I heard him speaking about how the British get football coaching wrong virtually from the moment a kid starts playing the game. With eleven a side matches for eight and nine year olds (often watched by parents who treat the whole thing as if their son or daughter is playing in a World Cup Final) played on full size pitches, it is those who kick the ball furthest and those with the speed to get to those punts downfield first who prosper as the British game's infatuation with pace and power takes a grip right from the start.
    Now pace and power can be very important weapons in the modern game, but too often, some British players with pace don't have the intelligence to best utilise it while others lack the technique to deliver what they are attempting - as long as they stay fit, kids with real pace at eight or nine don't lose it in their teenage years, so they should be given the chance to enjoy improving their skills and footballing know how by playing in matches in which those with talent prosper and not just the sprinters. It's a bit different for "powerful" youngsters because often the advantage their physique gave them in junior football disappears as those in their age group grow quicker than them or, if they maintain their physical advantage, then their sheer size becomes a hindrance which can make them look clumsy and uncoordinated, but, once again, the advantages of concentrating on developing the football skills of such kids for about six or seven years from the age of, say, nine seems obvious to me.
    Unfortunately, the infatuation with "power" continues at senior levels in the British game though and by then this more often than not means spirited but limited, musclebound, scufflers rather than true footballers with the physical strength needed to succeed. The best International teams are full of the latter but England had a few of the former in their side yesterday - British managers tell us that they would love to have such scrappers alongside them in the trenches in a war, but why do they keep on insisting on using them against the likes of Ozil and Muller on a football pitch!
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    GrangeEndGone got a reaction from Radebe20 in Official FIFA World Cup 2010 Thread   
    Re: Official FIFA World Cup 2010 Discussions Thread
    I watched England's defeat yesterday thinking what I normally do when they bow out of major tournaments and this led me to think that I would be putting together a 20.000 word thesis on here about what is wrong with the British game (it's not just England's problem). I thought that, with Lampard's "goal" to give them the perfect excuse to ignore what I have thought has been obvious for eight years or more, the pundits would be up in arms at the injustice of it all, but, fair play, the consensus has been that England were stuffed and that "the goal that wasn't" was just a side issue.
    Therefore, this isn't going to be the mega long post that I thought it would be because much of what I was going to say is being said elsewhere by people from within the game. For example, Harry Redknapp talked of Germany playing modern football, Graham Taylor said that he didn't think a team playing 4-4-2 would ever win a World Cup again and David Pleat spoke of England playing football in straight lines as the sterile, dated and completely predictable formation they used was picked apart by opponents who were light years ahead of them in terms of wit and imagination.
    However, all of the those I have mentioned seemed to still be of the opinion that England had the players to be a real force in the world game - I'm still wondering why they, and all the others who trot this out, actually believe that. Most of the players in that team yesterday have formed their reputation playing in a league where the standard of defending is of average quality and so all the goals scored in recent seasons in the Premiership by the likes of Rooney, Lampard and Gerrard become devalued somewhat and, apart from the first named in 2004, none of those three (and no other England player in the last twenty years or so) have been stand out performers in major international tournaments. The likes of Ashley Cole, Ferdinand, Beckham and Scholes have been influential at times, but the quality that we are constantly told about isn't there when you judge the players by the high standards needed to win World and European international competitions.
    Chris Waddle might have made a right mess of managing Burnley a few years back, but I found myself wishing there were more around who thought like him when I heard him speaking about how the British get football coaching wrong virtually from the moment a kid starts playing the game. With eleven a side matches for eight and nine year olds (often watched by parents who treat the whole thing as if their son or daughter is playing in a World Cup Final) played on full size pitches, it is those who kick the ball furthest and those with the speed to get to those punts downfield first who prosper as the British game's infatuation with pace and power takes a grip right from the start.
    Now pace and power can be very important weapons in the modern game, but too often, some British players with pace don't have the intelligence to best utilise it while others lack the technique to deliver what they are attempting - as long as they stay fit, kids with real pace at eight or nine don't lose it in their teenage years, so they should be given the chance to enjoy improving their skills and footballing know how by playing in matches in which those with talent prosper and not just the sprinters. It's a bit different for "powerful" youngsters because often the advantage their physique gave them in junior football disappears as those in their age group grow quicker than them or, if they maintain their physical advantage, then their sheer size becomes a hindrance which can make them look clumsy and uncoordinated, but, once again, the advantages of concentrating on developing the football skills of such kids for about six or seven years from the age of, say, nine seems obvious to me.
    Unfortunately, the infatuation with "power" continues at senior levels in the British game though and by then this more often than not means spirited but limited, musclebound, scufflers rather than true footballers with the physical strength needed to succeed. The best International teams are full of the latter but England had a few of the former in their side yesterday - British managers tell us that they would love to have such scrappers alongside them in the trenches in a war, but why do they keep on insisting on using them against the likes of Ozil and Muller on a football pitch!
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