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  1. Re: Respuesta: Official Liverpool Thread
  2. Re: Official Liverpool Thread Well done Reina a big slap on the back . Couple more great saves tonight ,but will still not get the " need a new goalkeeper brigade of his back ". Seen plenty of posts berating his errors costing us games ,but none when keeping us in or winning games . Tonight his saves if Suarez had not had an off night would have won us the game . "Hang on what am i thinking about" Suarez if he had taken at least 2 of the easy chances then your plaudits would be for him ,Reina as a Gk is only doing his job . Gobbly **** and poppy **** . I have been enlightened on this thread by posters that in the last two seasons Reina has made errors ,yet in both seasons you can count them on one hand . Glad you guys did not have Grobbelar in goal while you been supporting the reds . Nobody made more errors than Grobbelar ,but he also made world class saves like Reina still does . He lasted 13 yrs and 3 managers for all his errors ( Paisley ,Fagan and Dalglish yet we won with him making all these errors 6 titles,3 FA Cups and 3 league cups ,one European cup and one Super cup). Difference between Grobbelar and Reina is the other 10 outfielders . Grobbs had no nonsence defenders in front of him ,except for Carragher in the last 3 games showing what a DEFENDER is supposed to do ,without him playing in most games this season Reina has also not had a full support from his back men ,they also have had plenty of "mares" . In the last 2 yrs we have had 3 manager changes ,no thought given to what effect this may have played . Take this season alone under Rodgers ,all the team at the back has suffered because he likes them to pass it around and keep possesion ,not just lump it up ,well Reina now has more added responsible duties because of this ,why it is causing a lot of errors when defenders get closed down quickly . Noticed Carragher though will just lump it up or kick it into row Z if no other option ,not try and pass it back to Reina or to another player to put him in trouble ,you can reset defence again from a throwing and if you punt it far enough out of danger up pitch . Wonder if Rodgers knew his Defensive way is why Carra has not played many matches because you can not say that Agger and Skrytel have been that ammazing that they have kept him out . Nope their displays forced his hand and why Carra should of played more and i hope the other CB have learnt something from the master ,and Rodgers as well because sometimes more than not you need it Carras way . Goals not only win games they also help take the pressure of at the back and this season plenty of matches have not hit this scenario going into the last 10 minutes . That was Grobbs get out clause with his errors, the other end did the buisness and finished games of ,we are not .
  3. Re: Official Liverpool Thread Where do i start . 442: -Clemence- Neal-Yeats-Hughes-Lindsay Callaghan -Hamman-Souness-Heighway Hunt-Dalglish Or 443: -Lawrence- Lawler-Hansen-Thompson-Smith Houghten -Molby-Whelan-Berger Rush -Fowler-Owen Or 352; -Reina- Jones-Hyypia-Carragher-Riese McManaman-Alonso-Mascherano-Gerrard-Barnes Torres-Suarez Forget it . My list is endless ,you can mix all them above and make great sides .
  4. Re: Official Liverpool Thread For posistions played i would say alongside the great Ron Yeats .
  5. Re: Official Liverpool Thread Or how thick the GK was seems he had to let in at least 3 goals not one .. 1999 Members of an Asian betting syndicate caught tampering with *floodlights to get Charlton v Liverpool abandoned. West Ham v Crystal Palace and Wimbledon v Arsenal were earlier victims of same scam Apperently with the above they used the London based M.Utd supporters to help them out . "1" held the light bulbs while the other 58,000 tried to turn the floodlight stands around .
  6. Re: Official Liverpool Thread Especially your type;) Bet if you was at Old trafford when your side lost 4-1 to us you would have been one of the great faithfull that walked out just after half time i presume to show your disgust . This to a manager and team that had already fetched you a lot of glory ,plus that United team the fans deserted very swiftly in the second half actually won the title at the end of the season anyway . Yep loyal supported to the core . Trouble that bothers me at the moment is on here Brendan Rodgers is already getting a bit of stick and he is only in his first halve of the season . Im getting concerned some of the LFC lads on here are actually like you in the way you support your side and its the new modern fan with the modern football . When i began Supporting LFC they were still in the old second division Shankly had been manager for about 3 yrs i think ,he got us promoted and " started the process " of making Liverpool into the great team they became . One of his great Quotes at the time was " if you can not cheer us when we are losing or drawing ,but only winning then do not come we do not need you ". Imagine the Modern day fan being told that . Aso imagine Shanks in the Modern game he would not have been given time in his "work in progress". Fergie had not won anything for United in his 5 yrs ,he was saved by the youngsters that came through,otherwise things might of been different for United . As a Liverpool fan of the old school i support my team through the bad times as well as the good ,i support and will give time to any manager the club takes on . Yes i will voice my opinion on anything i think the manager to me has done wrong ,team ,players etc ,like all loyal fans will do ,its their love for the club . But to want him out already like some because they do not think he is up to it ,then if only half a season is now the measuring point then like Shanks said we are proberly better of without this modern day supporter . Before i get told i am living in the past i am not ,what i will never do which is a shame for most modern fans that sling this at us oldies is i never forget the "roots" and why Liverpool supporters are famous for backing the team in bad just not good . Y.N.W.A.
  7. Re: Official Liverpool Thread And so he shouldnt since all this Jimmy saville stuff has come out of the closet . We have a load of youngsters playing for us now and the last thing we need is for him to be watching them have a shower after matches .
  8. Re: Official Liverpool Thread "The gutter press is left fuming after the Ball boy incident:eek:" Why had they not thought of it first and just like "phone tapping " they could have paid this small kindergarden child only 17yrs of age a tiny fee to have done it in a Liverpool game against Suarez. They are now struggling to keep it interesting wheras with Suarez it would be a headline sensation. "Suarez needs deporting on the next flight out ." "Goverment need to fetch back the death penalty ." " Inside sources inform us Suarez is a reincarnated witch ,fetch back the ducking stool ." Yep not what they really wanted with it being Hazard ,and after all this ball boy is only a kid .
  9. Re: Official Liverpool Thread Not really ,English clubs dominated it for 6 yrs on the trot from 1977. We won it twice then Forest got it twice straight after us ,we won it again then the next year villa won it ,1983 Hamburg won it for their only time in 84 we won it again and in 85 we lost to Juve in the Heysel final tradgedy . Forest under Clough for a few yrs had a fantastic side ,you must remember only the champions entered so clubs like Forest were worthy winners . Barcelona never even played in it in all these yrs above just like Man Utd because they never won their league . Nope before the greedy big bucks format came into place which i am not knocking in this modern era ,champions of old was certainly different to champions of today . You beat your opponent over two legs or you was simply out . Now you meet supposedly easy teams first to get in your group ,then its made sure countries of the same country dont meet each other yet . You can lose even 2 games and still get through to win it ,if your third you drop into the Europa . So no its not mad that Forest are the 3rd succesful its just well deserved .
  10. Re: Official Liverpool Thread Nah better to say we won 4 of them when the actual league champions played the other countries champion ,while you won 1 . Weve only won one when it got devalued and 4 teams can now get in it ,lose matches in their group get 2nd place and still get through and have a chance . There are now plans to get rid of the Europa and make it 6 teams in it ,how far do you devalue it when origanally it was for champions only ..
  11. Re: Official Liverpool Thread Even with Bebe though its all a risk factor your club has taken like ours does ,and both will still do in the future. He is only 22 comming over to play in our league which with many players not just him ,while comming with great endorsments and looking potentially good over there ,pace of our league etc just need to be given a chance and time to adjust to it ,or again maybe they never will adapt . Hence flops bad player etc ,but go back abroad their not . Take Forlan many United fans at the time and other fans called him a flop for your club . He came to your club at the age of 22 had 3 seasons and United got rid . Played 63 games for you scored 10 goals hence by some you wasted money buying a flop . Yet when leaving United at only 25 yrs which is really when they are supposedly just starting to becoming the finished article on there way to peaking at 28yrs -32yrs. (Giggs and scholes making a mockery of the final age if you look after yourself properly ) . He goes to Villarreal plays 106 games and scores 54 goals . Then at his peaking yrs 28 he goes to Athletico madrid plays 134 scores 74 . Great accounts for both clubs after leaving United . Before joining United hence the transfer fee they risked at that young age he had played 80 games and scored 37 goals which to United was worth the risk plus what they had proberly also seen in him before taking the risk . Therefore was he really a flop ,was he given the time you need to give a foreign youngster at that age because they should have more than our own who are fetched up playing it . Language ,Culture ,Family friends etc also settling in ,they all play a part when not buying home grown . Yet because of the price most exspect a return from the off ,if not an instant flop.
  12. Re: Official Liverpool Thread Can easily see where your comming from and does make perfect sence . Wisdom though in quite a few games has been found out defensively because he does fall back to the CB position instead of the RB . Take M.Utd game at OT,great goal taken by Persie but Evra had all the time in the world to cross it . He was all alone nobody near him or pressing him to make the cross harder ,Wisdom should have been there but had tracked back into a position a CB would take up . So yes start him in the CB in certain games not as just RB . Norwich game is an example of one where he could have been experimented from the off .
  13. Re: Official Liverpool Thread Just a thought with some of the discussions of late . Take the " CB " position . Liverpool policy is to buy young with proberbly the max age they are looking at is say 25-26 ish . Older proberbly needs to be a cheap transfer fee but more importantly wages that meet the clubs criteria . YET THE OLDER ARE SUPPOSED TO BE NEEDED TO HELP GIVE EXPERIENCE TO THE YOUNGER ELEMENT . So lets just go back to the Norwich game . Wisdom again is used as right back ,yet on all accounts he is a " CB". Yet he covers and plays this role because of Johnson etc being used for LB. But in this game we had " Carra and Agger" so without any substitutions when comming back on at half time with the score what it was ,we could have switched Johnson back to RB Agger to LB and put Wisdom alongside Carra giving experience alongside youth . You can have no better than Carra to give him guidance and improving his experience in this position . So its alright looking at buying new CB but when we have the oppertunity try what we have ,Coates etc has not had a run in that position just the odd game thrown in now and then ,which sounds ok saying had 12 games etc but not if they are one game spread between lets say 4 .
  14. Re: Official Liverpool Thread 1. I agree that Sneijder would have been a risk but I would have liked us to have taken the risk as it would show real ambition and would have helped with the kids coming through. Having him and Gerrard in the same side could have edged us closer to the top four IMO and gerrard certainly thought so as well considering what he said on Sunday! 2. (his price tag was tiny so wages should have been a bit more negotiable) 1. Gerrard said he plays the same position as him ,so you have to drop Gerrard in a more defensive roll to accomadate him in his favoured roll which i do not want to see . Plus by trying to accomadate both in the same side then "HOW DOES IT HELP THE KIDS COMMING THROUGH ". They like now need to play First team football to gain the experience not sit on the bench watching because with both on the field i do not see where they will be accomadated on it as well . 2. Negotiable on whos part , He left Inter for soly one reason they would not raise them any more . Apparently Galatasary are paying him 200k a week ,if this is the case saying premiership is what he wanted and wages were open to negotiaion was a red herring ,especially on Liverpools part . He proberly was wanting City ,Chelsea owners to come get him and pay him this ammount . As for "Wow, VERY optimistic" on somes predictions on the next 5 games , i just love optimism so mine while wanting from the heart to say 15 ,from the head i will say 13.;) Most we will get imo is 9, I would be happy with mind My lad never did have much optimism bread in him ..;)
  15. Re: Official Liverpool Thread Need to take the full context of what Gerrard has said in the program to all questions fired at him ,not just to certain question . He is not going to say a player of this stature he would not want at this club ,even like he pointed out would play in his favoured main positsion .
  16. Re: Official Liverpool Thread Luis Suarez has explained why his trademark goal celebration of kissing his wrist is not only a tribute to his daughter - but to Anfield as well. The striker kisses a tattoo of his two-year-old's name after every goal, but the gesture has taken on additional meaning since he learned that Delfina is an anagram of Anfield. Suarez junior was born six months before he joined Liverpool and the anagram is a coincidence, but the 25-year-old likes to think there was an element of fate involved in his move to Merseyside. He told Liverpoolfc.com: "I didn't know her name was an anagram of Anfield but my wife has told me that people here in Liverpool say that when I kiss my wrist, I'm doing it because I have 'Anfield' on there. "It's a total coincidence but a very nice one at the same time. Maybe there was fate." ( Hopefully fate will make him stay here for good ,now his family has settled in well .)
  17. Re: Official Liverpool Thread Breaking news Read all about it ,read all about it . Rodgers anger at Suarez 'diving' B.R.: Whats your game louis ,weve been trying to get you to keep a low profile and you do something like this . L.S.: What a truthefull interview ,i thought you would be happy . Told the truth when asked about Mansfield ball to hand it was not intentional ,so was not going to lie when asked about sometimes the obvious " gaining an advantage for their club ". B.R: Yep i can not dispute honesty is the best policy and its also good for the heart and soul ,but it is a big NO_NO where football is concerened . LS: Sorry boss will not happen again ( telling the truth that is ) will still carry on " gaining an advantage for my club ". until they come down on all and sundery for this abonimation not just me being soly picked out . B.R: Thats fine Louis but will have to tell them we are going to handle it in house ,and this time keep stum . LS: Fine by me ,whats my punishment . BR: No more saturday night " monopoly bonding sessions with the guys ". LS: But they have been great for me ive never lost . BR: Well your the banker everytime and if your not careful in England if you keep winning by being the banker ,you will be assumed a cheat and you dont want that handle do you . LS: Well what will i do instead . BR: Your going to be a national tv hero ,we have got hold of Tom Daly and your going on to the SPLASH program . LS: What will this do for me i am a good swimmer . BR: But not a great Diver ,so this will help make it impossible for anyone to distinguish in future if you cheated or not . Do this right and you can play Monoply again . LS: Banker ?;)
  18. Re: Official Liverpool Thread Breaking news Read all about it ,read all about it . Its every english press dream and opposing fans with the ignorant view , " our players never cheat , " hopping on the high hate Suarez bandwagon . CHEAT ,CHEAT ,CHEAT . Anybody would think its new in the game ,but it never has been new . At the beginning of the influx of overseas players the English press and many english fans perception was its going to ruin our game ,they mainly cheat all the time but foreign players see it not as cheating but " gaining an advantage for their club ". Totally ignorant that for yrs it has gone on in our football ,we are English we are gentlemen and sportsmen and play to the rules fairly and squarely . Blame it on the Foreigners. "poppycock". Couple of weeks ago the press slaughtered him for not owning up to handball ,some even said he should follow the example Messi has shown and sets . Only trouble is because they were that busy on having the Devil incarnated hung drawn and quarted did not do their homework . Unbelievable it may seem but as soon as this example was given, out came the historians to show Messi has done the same and many others ,but never said a dickie bow . Foreign media never get so irate and hyped up about these goings on because to them its part and parcel of the game and its up to the officials to see it ,whether they have been conned or not . But not ours its like a dog finding a bone ,wants to stick its teeth in it and gnaw it to death . Suarez by the way admitted all this in Argentina because he has this great relationship with ours and a mutual agreement . " I do not speak to you and ,you keep me as your public enemy no 1 headliner " . Now he has done what they wanted him to do and admitted to a past dive ,does not congratulated for his honesty just gets , CHEAT ,CHEAT ,CHEAT . Papers say Stoke players now mad ,as if none of their players have done or would never dream of it in all games they have played . Will believe this and the same for every team in the world ,when someone finally proves the moon is made of green cheese . Its not that we dont think as Liverpool supporters he sometimes dives ,because we know he does ,but hey why get mad because we were warned like i said above by our beloved press yrs ago ,this would be part and parcel of the modern game and it will become the norm . What they did not say was while cheating has become the norm for all sorts of things on the football field ,only one player would get the bucket thrown at them ,yep alls fair in love and war and every one is treated fairly and Squarely as long as your name is not LUIS SUAREZ .:p:)
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