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    BerkeleyBernie got a reaction from mawriz in arrows   
    Re: arrows
    I find the lack of clear explanation of arrows frustrating too.
    I've been experimenting using arrows to adjust positions on formations that aren't exactly how I want them, since SM doesn't allow real freedom in positioning players. However, I'm not at all sure that repositioning what happens. I just got demolished 7-0 by a similarly rated team that pushed its wing midfielders forward when I pushed my fullbacks up. The reason I pushed my backs up was (just like a real life coach would instruct) to play DEFENSIVELY further up the field towards the halfline, exactly for the purpose of denying space to their wing midfielders. However, I'm now of the opinion that the engine interpreted my fullbacks forward arrows as more attack and less defense, meaning that the opposition now had free reign in the space behind them. That was not at ALL my intention.
    Without a guide to clearly establish how arrows affect gameplay, they are pretty useless, unless something emerges through trial and error. Huge negative for this game, in my opinion. For now, I'm going to have to assume, as was posted above, that forward arrows means attacking intention, and back arrows means defensive intention. What do sideways and diagonal arrows do? Hell if anyone knows.
    You may also have noticed that sometimes you can't "arrow" a player to a spot because another player is already in that spot (even if you have that player arrowed to a different location). Another game flaw that makes no sense, and just looks like sloppy programming.
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    BerkeleyBernie reacted to ray1981 in Bundesliga Ratings Discussion   
    Re: Bundesliga Ratings 2012/2013
    I think that today was another aspect of SM being MILES to generous in terms of ratings, players move up to elevated levels now without IMO paying there dues. In the old rating way players earnt there dues and if performing consistantly over longer timeframes were rewarded with progressive increases, now you just see increases which IMO is Over The Top considering the amount of games played and performance levels.
    Gotze- Nobody is a bigger fan than me as people will know I bought him in nearly every set-up when he was 75 and said he would be a 95 rated player but it is going to be even quicker than I thought!! 93 was excessive at this point he was injured back end of last season and whilst being impressive at times this season when you get to this elevated rating I think you need to have been extrodinary to justify a +2 and I dont think he has, +1 was right.
    Pizcesk- Again a +2 is excessive, he has blossomed into a great right back but has he been that fantastic to warrant a +2 I dont think so. The rise is to much to soon, He does not influence games to the level that a 92 rated player should IMO.
    Lewondowski- No real argument here sheer weight of goals over a sustained period warrants this rating.
    Subotic- 91 is fine ATM
    Schmelzer- 90 is fine, I think he is the weak link in the Dortmund outfit, gets exposed at times and when elevated to National Team Level has failed to impress.
    Gundogan, Leitner- No problems
    Kuba- Again I think a +2 has been excessive good player and a personal fave of mine in SM but again I dont think the stats or the performances merit a +2 again a +1 ws fine IMO.
    people keep talking about Champions League and no doubt Dortmund for me have been the most impressive side bar Barca this season IMO but you have to remember they flopped badly last year and this is the first spell where Dortmund have shown a top level of performance at European level for most of them and it is only six matches so far.
    I think most of these ratings would have been better warranted in the end of season review, but it is symptomatic of SM and being to generous, some would argue they used to be to strict but they have gone completely the over way now.
    When you get to such high levels of rating it is performances that matter, minutes on the pitch should not really matter, I just think it is getting to the point where we have to many players elevated to levels before they have consistantly achieved for what I would call a real sustained period of time to really IMO warrant these levels.
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    BerkeleyBernie reacted to timesle in Bundesliga Ratings Discussion   
    Re: Bundesliga Ratings 2012/2013
    Some of you might know that I have been doing sometimes a bigger rating analysis in the past in which I compared the top leagues and the teams before and especially after the rating changes have happened. It often showed which teams were underrated and which were overrated in relation to other teams.
    However in the current changes I haven't done this as I neither had the time nor the desire. But due to some recent events, I decided to make a small comparison. The events I'm talking about are

    SM being quite kind to Juventus in the rating changes
    People asking in here if Dortmund players still will rise

    Before people now start arguing with me, saying that all the rises for Juventus have been fully deserved, I want to explain myself. For sure they might have been deserved - I don't watch the Italian league at all, so I can hardly argue against this. But I still think that SM have been pretty generous towards them and I want to prove that with facts by comparing them with Borussia Dortmund. Nevertheless I would also like to point out, that I'm explicitly not complaining about the Juventus ratings. It would be insane to complain about them now with Dortmund haven't been re-rated so far. I rather want to show what we need to expect from SM if they want to keep their ratings as fair as possible.
    First of all, I would like to compare the achievements of both teams in the recent past:


    This season Juventus is leading in the league quite sovereign. Last season they also became champion. And in 10/11 Juventus finished 7th. So you can say that they are dominating their league currently.
    Dortmund currently is 3rd in the league, what seems to be a bit disappointing after they have managed to become champion in 11/12 and in 10/11.
    In the domestic cup both Juventus and Dortmund reached the quarter finals this season so far. Last season both reached the final, where Dortmund won impressively against Bayern and Juventus lost against Napoli. In 10/11 Dortmund lost in the 2nd round already and Juventus reached the quarter final.
    Viewing the international cups, both teams have managed to survive in rather difficult CL groups this season and therefore both reached the round of the last 16. Last season Dortmund were eliminated in the group stage of the CL whilst Juventus haven't even played internationally. In 10/11 both have played in the EL but both were eliminated in the group stage already.
    So in conclusion I would say that there isn't much between both teams. Juventus is currently doing a bit better in the league but Dortmund won also the cup last season and played internationally. Using the argument that the Bundesliga seems to be a stronger league in the past (at least the UEFA country ranking shows this), it could be argued that Dortmund has achieved a bit more in the recent past.
    So it's time to include the SM ratings. The data I used is copied from SoccerWiki. I only have excluded Lucio (90) who still is in the Juventus squad on SoccerWiki though having moved to Brazil already.


    If we view the average rating of the whole squad of both teams we recognize the following:

    The whole Dortmund squad is rated almost 2 points lower than the whole Juventus squad. For sure we have to consider 2 things.
    Average ratings of whole squads may be falsified as in some squads there are lots of young players who mainly play in the second team and therefore minimize the average rating due to their low ratings. However here we have a similar number of players (27 Dortmund players and 30 Juventus players).
    Another thing to consider is that (as said before) Juventus already have been re-rated. But to adjust this huge gap fairly (as Dortmund has been at least equally in terms of performances) it would be necessary that every Dortmund player will rise by (almost) 2. Quite ridiculous to imagine.

    Due to the first point above it might be better to compare the average ratings of the top players only. So let's take the 11 best players of each team.



    Well, that hasn't changed much, has it? Still even by the top players there's a gap of almost 2 rating points. To phrase it in different words: In order to make the difference between Juventus and Dortmund fair it would be necessary that Hummels, Subotic, Götze, Weidenfeller, Schmelzer, Piszczek, Bender, Reus, Lewandowski and Blaszczykowski will have to rise by +2 all (10 players = +20 ===> 20/11 = +1.81 on average rating of the top XI). Some might even get this but definitely not all.
    I think I already made clear, why I think that SM had been quite generous towards Juventus. However I have a final figure that conclusively shows that Juventus currently is rated far better than Dortmund.



    The graph shows the number of players rated 94, 93, ..., 89, 88 of both teams. After Pirlo rose to 94, Juventus has now 3 players with that rating whilst Dortmund has no player rated higher than 92. Has still anyone the opinion that Hummels might not rise to 93?
    Even if we would exclude the 3 94-rated players of Juventus, it seems that Juventus has more higher rated players. The only rating for which Dortmund has more players is the 90 rating.
    Quite insane if we compare both teams, isn't it? Especially considering that both have done more or less equal in the past. And also considering that none of the players have been bought with a high rating (e.g. how it would be at PSG). No, currently SM rates Juventus far better than Dortmund and I doubt that this will change much enough with the German ratings. However I will be pleasantly surprised if it would happen.
    I hope you enjoyed this write-up.
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    BerkeleyBernie got a reaction from rawket in Counter formations   
    Re: Counter formations
    Tried it again in a friendly, final 15 against 3-5-2 AC Milan, got 2-0 goals that period, playmaker Ribery to target man Robben (the rear forwards, not the CF). Got 2 more friendlies pre-season, I'll try again.
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    BerkeleyBernie got a reaction from Hyina in Counter formations   
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    BerkeleyBernie got a reaction from Jooles in Counter formations   
    Re: Counter formations
    Yup. There are too many variables to rely on the "info" offered in this thread. One can assume some formations have default strengths against other certain other formations. But without seeing (for BOTH teams, at each point in the game) team rating, condition, tactics, home/away, substitutes, etc, one can't be sure how much formations played a factor in the outcome.
    For instance, I'm pretty sure that if you have a monster forward against an average defense, that alone might be the difference in a game. And home advantage seems to be good for a goal (or more likely, in terms of the SM engine, a boost to the teams overall rating).
    What I'd like to see here in this thread are some in-depth postmortem game analyses, where ALL the info is posted, and we can analyze what factors most likely had significant impact on the outcome. Next time I have a good match with some interesting formation/tactic match-ups, I'll post it here for discussion. I currently participate in one league with only teams rated (at opening) no higher than 87 (and no transfers rated over 89), so it's a good baseline for taking team ratings out of the picture. After transfers, most teams have starters rated 88-89 in all positions, so no overwhelming advantage anywhere on the pitch.
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    BerkeleyBernie got a reaction from arampage in Counter formations   
    Re: Counter formations
    Yup. There are too many variables to rely on the "info" offered in this thread. One can assume some formations have default strengths against other certain other formations. But without seeing (for BOTH teams, at each point in the game) team rating, condition, tactics, home/away, substitutes, etc, one can't be sure how much formations played a factor in the outcome.
    For instance, I'm pretty sure that if you have a monster forward against an average defense, that alone might be the difference in a game. And home advantage seems to be good for a goal (or more likely, in terms of the SM engine, a boost to the teams overall rating).
    What I'd like to see here in this thread are some in-depth postmortem game analyses, where ALL the info is posted, and we can analyze what factors most likely had significant impact on the outcome. Next time I have a good match with some interesting formation/tactic match-ups, I'll post it here for discussion. I currently participate in one league with only teams rated (at opening) no higher than 87 (and no transfers rated over 89), so it's a good baseline for taking team ratings out of the picture. After transfers, most teams have starters rated 88-89 in all positions, so no overwhelming advantage anywhere on the pitch.
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    BerkeleyBernie got a reaction from marcodalcin in Counter formations   
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    BerkeleyBernie got a reaction from arampage in In game instruction conditions   
    I found out recently that the conditions for activation of in-game instructions didn't behave as I expected. Fixing it should be relatively easy code, and will add much more flexibility to when in-game instructions are activated.
    The problem (GD = Goal Difference):
    Winning by 3 or more goals activates when
    GD > or = 3
    Winning by 1 goal activates when
    GD = 1
    Winning by 2 goal activates when
    GD = 2
    But what if you want an instruction to activate when you are up by 1 or more goals? Currently, you actually have to create ALL of the three instructions above! If you don't, all winning conditions are not covered.
    For instance, if you have the following condition:
    Winning by 1 goal at 45 minutes
    and the score is 3-1 (GD = 2)
    the instruction will NOT activate
    Same applies for Losing conditions.
    There are several ways to implement better selection of conditions:
    1. Simply add more states to the dropdown list, to cover reasonable conditions:
    any score
    1 goal
    1 or more goals
    1 or 2 goals
    2 goals
    2 or more goals
    3 or more goals
    While not infinitely flexible, this would probably cover all states the majority of managers would want.
    2. Split the quantity and relationship into two separate dropdowns:
    1/2/3 goals
    exactly/or more
    While more complex logic would cover even more conditions not currently available (i.e. drawing or losing by exactly 1 goal), both of these options cover most common states with very little coding.
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