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Oh god.... again..... DDG has a premier league winners medal and hes won the Europa Legaue twice... Once again, illustrating my point, the higher ratings (93+) USED TO have trophies included as part of the players rating Again, for the last time, my ONLY point is that Koulibaly has won basically nothing and now it seems that trophies are not important to SM.... Last time, that's the ONLY point I was making

Again..... the point I was making, gone way over your head......... In very basic simple terms, my point is Koulibaly got 94 on the back of a load of hype, which is true as he doesn't have the trophies to back it up, so again MY POINT WAS TROPHIES DON'T MATTER... I was not arguing who deserves what rise, for the love of god, I've never disagreed that Koulibaly ain't world class, and I used Pogba to MAKE MY POINT, again, I agree that Pogba 100% shouldn't get a rise, in fact i argued in this thread he was closer the drop! But again, he, Lingard and even VVD, HYPE! Yes VVD won 1 champions league, fair play.. 92-93 would have been fine for that, he got that +1 on HYPE! That's the ONLY point I've been making, Koulibaly is top drawer (IMO 92-93 max without trophies) same for Pogba, same for VVD.... Again, I stress the importance of winning trophies has been take out of the ratings system, it used to matter but obviously not anymore.

Wrong

Very simply because none of those players are touted in the papers as 'being some of the best in the world' like a certain CB from Senegal that's won NOTHING and got 94.... Who cares if Laporte has been incredible, people only want to hear about how VVD has never been dribbled past! Big LOL! SM has changed, it's not based on trophies and performances on the pitch anymore, wanna know who's gonna rise past 92? Pick up a newspaper and read the back page! Just look at Lingard! Hes 91 rated!!!!!!!

De Ligt can get 101 at Juve if Koulibaly can get 94!

Oh no, I'm sorry! You are one of those people who thinks 2nd place should get some sort of trophy? Nowhere near Juve means, although yes they have finished 2nd, they haven't laid a glove on Juve, it's you my friend that clearly knows nothing about actual football

That's like saying it's not Pogba's fault Utd don't win anything and missed out on top 4, dead wrong, he has to shoulder a lot of the blame, the BIG players at these clubs have to stand up and be accountable How is it not Koulibaly's fault? He gets PAID to play for them! Surely if hes 'one of the best defenders in the world' they can win SOMETHING! they are in for about 4 trophies at the start of each season and are nowhere near Juve in the league in the last 5 or so years..... Anyhow, you'll notice I said at the outset he's a top defender l, but for 94 you'd really want to be putting trophies on the table

Jokes are usually funnier if they somehow tie in with each other..... That didn't

Well, we can definitely put the myth of 93+ is reserved for players who in trophies to bed.... Look, Koulibaly as fine a defender as he is, and let's face it, he is..... is a complete farce at 94! Napoli haven't won an argument in the last 5 years! Its plain ad day now that SM ratings take one factor into consideration more than any other and that's HYPE! simple as that

Agreed, that could very easily change should Pogba sign for Juve, I think at Real he could realise his full potential, it's clear as day that it wont happen at Old Trafford

Absolutely crazy. 1 season

It depends, if you are playing a weaker team (overall ratings wise) you are better off to attack them, if they are stronger your better off to play defensive.... 443b for attacking and 451 defensive

All true, cannot argue any point of it, but the right now, Jessie does play for the bigger club and is an England regular. Thauvin could 'do a Newcastle' again! Who knows Can only judge on conditions right now, and right now, its Lingard

No rise for Gerson? Thought he was well worth a +1