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  1. Re: Player Concerns (please read the Online Help if looking for help)

    As mentioned before' date=' I too have has enough of a team I have managed for 600+ games, however I have decided to sell all of my good players externally and will waste all of my money I have built up on replacing them with low rated players so if another person took over they don't get the benefit of all my hard work.[/quote']

    I don't mind them getting my team, it's got a 95 rated first team average and a billion in the bank. It's never been as competitive as a GC, but usually half full, dips down to 25% at times. I am going to get a lot more work done and it's the unworkable level of concerns that's given me the push to do it.

  2. Re: Player Concerns (please read the Online Help if looking for help)

    Do you know what? I give in. I quit.

    I run a small film company, we're about to launch a feature and this game has now become unmanageable for me. Trying to contend with these concerns and watching my team slowly die isn't fun.

    I've been playing this game since Feb 12th 2008, 609 games - 1613pts.

    I've loved building a great squad and dominating my gameworld. Lots of trophies and success. I've had issues with various elements of the game, most critically the match system and stadium building. The ratings system and the building of a squad got me past this.

    I have 129 days of Gold membership left, I'm not threatening to not renew - I'm fully quitting right now.

    Thanks for the memories SM, and I do hope the game eventually becomes workable again for those who stick with it.

  3. Re: Player Concerns (please read the Online Help if looking for help)

    I would ask how many players you have rated 89+ but sounds like more than 17/18.....this is the problem.

    Concerns will allow people to keep their best 17/18 happy all the time - this is realistic as I have shown.

    To expect to have the same 30 players all stay happy for much more than a season is unrealistic.

    Managers leave gameworlds every day' date=' concerns are a convenient excuse for some.

    I'm not touching the "minority" issue again - suffice to say I'm in the minority on this thread but equally the number of anti-concerns contributors on this thread are the minority compared to the forum or SM in general.

    [b']Anything any of us say here is ultimately irrelevant:[/b]

    SM have obviously weighed this up with - number of managers they will lose due to concerns v the number of managers they lose due to player-hogging/ large squads/ cash having little value/ managers refusing to sell players they never play/ near-empty gameworlds - and have decided that those who totally chuck SM because of realistic concerns will be the minority.

    Which squads use just 17/18 players through a season despite all competitions and injuries?

    SM requires you to have essentially 2 teams to be able to play league and cup.

    We're now being told that one of these teams will need to be made up of low rated kids, no matter how much success our club has had, money we have or decent players we have.

    A "Lukaku" or "Ballotelli" would be content with playing a third of league games and 100% of European and domestic cup games in real life (they'd be lucky to get that). In game they will demand to leave.

    This is rubbish.

  4. Re: Player Concerns (please read the Online Help if looking for help)

    Yes but if RVP comes in then someone somewhere down the line loses out' date=' whether that's Tevez or Aguero or someone further down the pecking order the point is RVP uses minutes someone else was previously getting, and concerns develop accordingly.

    Likewise if a CB comes in and dislodges Lescott or Kompany - if either of those 2 were to sit on the bench until Christmas they'd probably be looking to move in January, whereas on SM it'll take at least a full season for them to hit level 5.

    Maybe this means that for players rated 90+ concerns should really be faster?! :eek::D

    The core of 17-19 that can be kept happy still seems more in keeping with real life than a squad of 27-29, and definitely makes it more fun for those who want gameworlds as full as possible.[/quote']

    Highly disagree, but I respect your opinion.

    The comment about "if you don't like concerns, buy a setup" is flat ignorant. I've been playing for over four years and have built a squad I'm proud of. I'm for concerns but they've become ridiculous, impossible for the game AND unrealistic. I know most of us feel the same.

    "definitely makes it more fun for those who want gameworlds as full as possible"... erm, you are aware that you're in the tiny minority with that opinion? My setups have become smaller due to frustrated people leaving. Yes, they'll become more competitive in the sense that everyone can have a great team, and then we'll be relying solely on the match engine for results and trophies. Excellent, I can not wait.

  5. Re: Player Concerns (please read the Online Help if looking for help)

    SM seasons with twice-weekly games last 19/20 weeks (based on 38 games which is probably the case in approx 95% of SM gameworlds).

    My logic is that from the start of a SM season if concerns increase every 5 weeks then it will work more or less like this:

    5 weeks/ 10 games in: level 1 concern

    10 weeks/ 20 games in: level 2 concern

    15 weeks/ 30 games in: level 3 concern

    20 weeks/ 38 games in: level 4 at end of season

    5 weeks of new season/ 10 games in: level 5 and the player is off

    It'll therefore take more than a season for players to get so unhappy that they request a transfer - I think this is fair as in real life not many top players will stick around for more than one season if they aren't getting enough playing time.

    In SM terms then the trick with a Man City will be to p/ex a couple of the 89's/90's for a 92/93 if you mean improve the team in a ratings sense.

    I know people are getting frustrated with this but I'd imagine if you were to speak to Mancini' date=' Mourinho, Ferguson, Wenger etc they would LOVE to manage a squad of players who never got the slightest bit unhappy (which is all a level 1 concern is) no matter how little the player was used.

    But players aren't mindless in real-life (lol ok some are!), they [u']do[/u] get unhappy so what happens is that Mancini moves on his unhappy players BUT he then takes advantage of players who are unhappy at OTHER clubs.

    Mancini wouldn't expect to have the same squad one year from now, he'd know it's the nature of the game that players move on.

    Someone on here referred to this concerns change as leading to a big unnecessary player transfer merry-go-round - but, er, isn't that exactly what happens in real-life?

    In one of my customs the rules I have in place mean that the Man City squad is the same now as it was in January 2011 when the custom started.

    So just 18 months on and Given, Taylor, Gonzalez, Nielsen, Cunningham, Chantler, Trippier, Logan, Vidal, Mee, Onuoha, Boateng, Wright-Phillips, Assulin, Weiss, Tutte, Etuhu, McDermott, Bellamy, Poole, Jo, Caicedo, and Ball have ALL gone from that squad.

    23 players gone, and of the 28 remaining 17 are the hard-core rated 89+ and the rest are lower-rated who will be content (for now) with cup games or the odd sub appearance.

    Since January 2011 Man City have added Aguero, Nasri & Clichy so the current SM real-life Man City squad has 20 players rated 89+.

    I'm not a Man City fan but my understanding is that they are looking to sell Adebayor, possibly Tevez etc so in other words Mancini is trying to get his core bunch of guys down to the 17/18 I mentioned earlier.

    Manchester United have 20 players rated 89+

    Barcelona have 18 players rated 89+

    Real Madrid have 19.

    Juventus have 17.

    Bayern have 18.

    Is this all coincidence?

    I would suggest not, it's more because only 17-20 top players can get enough regular minutes to be kept happy for any length of time.

    Milan now currently have only 14 players rated 89+ as they are in a transition period where they have moved on 5 or 6 oldies - they could have replaced those players gradually over previous seasons to lessen the blow but they didn't so may now be weaker for a season or two until the replacement players do or do not improve.

    Now contrast the approach of some on SM who have 30+ players rated 89+ and then are stunned and go nuts when they can't keep them ALL happy ALL of the time! :eek:

    I know my comment about playing in customs with concerns turned off might have sounded patronising to some, but seriously it might be the only option for some.

    Lol maybe that's the real SM motive - to get all of you who are unhappy with concerns to buy custom leagues where you can turn them off!

    This works to a point. Man City are trying to offload Adebayor, they aren't trying to sell Tevez - I'm not sure who the other ".etc" are. Mancini is frustrated at losing out to Hazard, he also wants RVP and another CB. This isn't inkeeping with the game.

    Chelsea didn't play Lukaku last year hardly and he's on loan this year - I can't do that to my Lukaku without him getting concerns and leaving.

    I get your point, but I think the concerns have crossed over a line and have ended up at a point where they do not work, no longer represent real life or help make the game fun.

  6. Re: Player Concerns (please read the Online Help if looking for help)

    Machine, you make some interesting points and seem pretty pro the new concerns levels/issues. It's a different pov from most of us so it is interesting to read.

    How do you counter the fact that if you start the game with a Man City (for example), not only will concerns prevent you from improving your squad, you won't even be able to hold on to what you have?

    The fact that the game doesn't even allow you to hold onto a squad as it is in real life is the perfect demonstration that the concerns are wrong. The fact that you need to be able to rotate more in-game due to match fitness makes this all the more daft.

  7. Re: Player Concerns (please read the Online Help if looking for help)

    I just realised that who's using their real money to buy a big team like Barca or Man City at the beginning of a new season' date=' will need to demolish their team and they'll not be able to improve it.

    I got a Man City 6-7 months ago in a brand new English Championship, with all the good players that they have in real life and, without changing much, now, just in the middle of season 2, I have 11 of my best 22 players with concerns about lack of games![/quote']

    THIS, hadn't occurred to me, but surely it's the fundamental evidence that the concerns system simply is not correct. If the game cannot even sustain the real-life teams it gives you then it's obviously highly flawed. This, in addition to the fact that these real life squads rotate less for match fitness makes this ridiculous.

  8. Re: Player Concerns (please read the Online Help if looking for help)

    20 out of 32 of his highest rated players have concerns and that is not decimated? He has 12 players without concerns, I mean: 12. What does decimated mean: 5 players with no concerns in a 11-a-side football?

    In this new concern business SM forgot that managed teams need 22 players. I would be more than glad if I could use my best XI for all the matches, but this is just impossible. Championship, cup, shield, SMFA cup: good teams play 3-4 matches every week until the very end of the season and, simply, players cannot play more than 2 games in a row without resting the third game. If we want to enjoy the game and try our best to win a competition, we need 22 decent players. And that's why even starters are now developing concerns: they still play 2/3= 66% of the matches, but not for manager choice.

    If this is the way concerns are working now, I see only one solution: turn off the condition.

    Agreed. It's completely and totally bonkers. Most premier league squads are this size anyway without having hordes of players demanding to leave. In real life young players would be more than happy to play every cup game and a portion of league games. My 89/90 rated youngsters are revolting because of this, and they're essentially playing for a Barca type squad.

    I appreciate 89/90 rated players may not seem like reserves - but these guys ARE getting game time (obviously not enough, 25%-30% league and all cup) in a squad where their seniors are 95-99 rated. A few pages ago I explained that part of the reason we're all using Neymar/Gotze/Alba as reserves/future prospects is because of the limitations of the rating system and fitness. If these players were actually rated as they compare to senior players now they'd be 94,92,93 .etc Now, I happen to like the rating system - but if you're going to ask why Eto'o gets a game ahead of Neymar, it's because of trying to succeed despite the limitations of the game. In real life you'd ditch Eto'o for Neymar in a heartbeat, and you'd win trophies accordingly. In-game, it'll take you years (real time) to see the benefit. Fitness mean that I can't play league and cup with the same team - so who am I supposed to field in the B-games? How far will this go? 75 rated kids?

    My setup has gone from having some "hording" (but a necessity due to how the rating system works and match fitness) to loads being concerned in most clubs, even those with the minimum number of players. It's going to just be constant switching of clubs, which may be entertaining/amusing, but it's utterly ridiculous.

    If it does eventually get to a point where everybody has an excellent first team because of this, we may then end up in a position where titles are won/lost solely on the random lottery of the match engine. Yippee.

  9. Re: Player Concerns (please read the Online Help if looking for help)

    But this all goes back to my post a couple of pages back.

    It's hard to compare these examples from real-life to in-game as the logistics are so different.

    To copy and paste:-

    Just wanted to add my two-penneth with regards SM and whether it should mirror real life.

    People have used Neymar as an example of a player who gets unhappy on SM when not playing enough games. It's an extreme example as he is a force of nature and highly hyped in real life, but I'll go with it.

    Neymar in real life would probably expect to play in the majority of most games for pretty much any club on the planet - but in real life he is not a "90 rated player" - he'd probably be a 94. SM obviously can't give him that as things currently stand as he's growing and hasn't played in a competitive league yet. A better example might be Ballotelli. Mario has made 40 league appearances for Man City since 2010 - this is waaaaay below a 70% games ratio. He seems content at Man City to me, a massive club. Lukaku hasn't had a sniff at Chelsea, but seems content as he realises he's young and will likely get chances on loan. He knows his future is ahead of him - yet on SM he will now seemingly expect to play a serious number of games regardless of how amazing the first team is.

    Throw into this the fact that SM differs from reality in a fundamental aspect. You HAVE to rotate your squad in SM to play the game effectively. It is not possible to field a fit team in league and cup games. So the game is forcing you into rotating anyway - but because of the percentage split it is virtually impossible to keep everyone content. If the match fitness/games per week were different then people would be content to have less players.

    Concerns are a good idea but they've gone too far. They're not inkeeping with reality OR with the way you have to play SM (constant squad rotating, large squads and the fact that many players in reality are better than their rating - which is obviously growing). It really really needs knocking back a few steps.

  10. Re: Player Concerns (please read the Online Help if looking for help)

    You're very constructive today as that's your second post within an hour that has added to this excellent debate. Pray' date=' tell me, you've said you're not wasting your time debating this subject, but yet you keep posting on this excellent thread - how does that work?

    I'm also struggling to understand how you can fully debate this when you aren't posting either a link to your squads or letting us know the clubs and Game worlds that you're in?

    It's easy enough to say "I have a first team squad of 22 and a quarter of them now have concerns" without posting any other details. I'd hazard a guess and say that the majority of those 22 players have very similar ratings (which will be your first team and your cup team) and that's why you're encountering problems.

    Please prove me wrong but again I'd hazard a guess ad say I'm right or pretty much close to it.[/quote']

    Hi, are you aware that you're being rather aggressive with your arguing? You've had less than a dozen posts, and you're attacking people who've had thousands.

    I'd maybe chill a little, take a look around and then join in a bit? Thanks.

  11. Re: Player Concerns (please read the Online Help if looking for help)

    I can't believe that no one else has spotted this or they have and chose to ignore it. Does no one else see anything wrong with this? Why does anyone need 5 quality keepers? If someone can explain why other than to prevent other managers having those players' date=' then I'd like to know the reason? I can understand having Hart as No1 and Zieler or Szczesny as No2, but to have all 5 is what I would class as player hogging.[/quote']

    Yeah, that's a fair point - but let's say he just had Hart and Szczesny...

    Well one of them would still have concerns and need to be sold as things stand?

  12. Re: Player Concerns (please read the Online Help if looking for help)

    In real life the big boys (Barca' date=' Man City etc) sign a few greedy players who only go there for the money and are perfectly happy to sit on the bench for most of the season and only get their boots dirty in important games as long as the cheques keep getting cashed.

    This is one aspect of real football that the game can't really replicate as none of the other teams would get a look in when it comes to signing players and not many managers are up for that kind of challenge in the game.

    They have to distant themselves from real life football as in most real world leagues you know pretty much who's going to be in the top 4 every season, and that wouldn't be good for business in the game.

    Apart from skill points the game should be more arcade style fun to play, you've heard of the expression KISS I assume, it's the way forward.[/quote']

    Hmmm. I think I disagree, don't understand the point and then have no idea what you mean (but that's probably just me).

    There are some greedy players, but to say that "the big boys (Barca, Man City etc) sign a few greedy players who only go there for the money and are perfectly happy to sit on the bench" is a little inaccurate. It also doesn't have any relevance to my point.

    Reality vs SM. I don't feel the need for SM to be "real", but I think concerns are an attempt to make it more real and it fails on two accounts. 1) Players getting concerns in-game would be happy with their playing percentages in real life. 2) The current acceleration of player concerns does not "fit" with the typical way of playing SM - squad rotation, enough players to cope with match fitnesses and scouting/grooming. If they want it real, or they want a great game - it current lies between the two, hitting neither.

    "Apart from skill points the game should be more arcade style fun to play, you've heard of the expression KISS I assume, it's the way forward"

    I have absolutely no idea what this means - but I may just be a bit old?

  13. Re: Player Concerns (please read the Online Help if looking for help)

    Just wanted to add my two-penneth with regards SM and whether it should mirror real life.

    People have used Neymar as an example of a player who gets unhappy on SM when not playing enough games. It's an extreme example as he is a force of nature and highly hyped in real life, but I'll go with it.

    Neymar in real life would probably expect to play in the majority of most games for pretty much any club on the planet - but in real life he is not a "90 rated player" - he'd probably be a 94. SM obviously can't give him that as things currently stand as he's growing and hasn't played in a competitive league yet. A better example might be Ballotelli. Mario has made 40 league appearances for Man City since 2010 - this is waaaaay below a 70% games ratio. He seems content at Man City to me, a massive club. Lukaku hasn't had a sniff at Chelsea, but seems content as he realises he's young and will likely get chances on loan. He knows his future is ahead of him - yet on SM he will now seemingly expect to play a serious number of games regardless of how amazing the first team is.

    Throw into this the fact that SM differs from reality in a fundamental aspect. You HAVE to rotate your squad in SM to play the game effectively. It is not possible to field a fit team in league and cup games. So the game is forcing you into rotating anyway - but because of the percentage split it is virtually impossible to keep everyone content. If the match fitness/games per week were different then people would be content to have less players.

    Concerns are a good idea but they've gone too far. They're not inkeeping with reality OR with the way you have to play SM (constant squad rotating, large squads and the fact that many players in reality are better than their rating - which is obviously growing). It really really needs knocking back a few steps.

  14. Re: Matchday Experience

    I really really like the new match day experience. I don't know how much is "dressing" and how much is actual nuts and bolts - but it's soooo much more fun than simply clicking a button to see the score.

    I even had a goal ruled offside today - which was frustrating, but lots of fun (I cheered, then cursed).

    I am not happy with the changes to concerns, it's kind of spoiling the game for me - but credit to SM, I think the new match experience is tremendous.

  15. Re: Wilshere and Lamela for Busquets

    Deal or no deal? I reckon both Lamela and Busquets are in for a rise' date=' Wilshere also a future great player. Should I do the deal?[/quote']

    I think it's close - but it's gotta be done. Busquets is playing for Barca and Spain. If he was in his thirties it'd be a tough choice, but as is, it's not. Busquets will sort you out long and short term.

    Lamela and Wilshere may well get to the mid-nineties, but there's no guarantee and even low 90s will take a long time.

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