Jack14 reacted to Dobby in SM Predict Season 5 Week 5
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Saturday 12th September
Lazio - Juventus (ESB) 2-1
Torino - Albinoleffe 1-1
Gallipoli - Sassuolo 4-3
Sunday 13th September
Bologna - Chievo 1-1
Palermo - Bari 1-0
Udinese - Catania 3-0
Siena - Roma 1-3
Genoa - Napoli (FGS - Lavezzi - Napoli) 1-3
Jack14 reacted to leecska in Lee's list of 88+ risers
Having taken so much from this forum I feel it's time I gave something back, even if it is just an amalgamation of other people's work. I'm going to try and list players currently's rated 88 or above from each country's league who have a chance of rising - my results for each country are split in 2 sections:
Probable Risers - players with a 90%+ chance of getting a rise
Possible Risers - players with a 50%+ chance of getting a rise at the moment, and who are likely to make progress from now until the rating changes towards that rise.
Then I'll highlight my ★STAR BUYS★, players getting particularly large rises, or player likely to carry on rising. Basically, players you should definately get your hands on now!
Where two (or more!) possible ratings are displayed (e.g. 90-91/92), the first is the one most likely.
Looking for a certain position? Well now they're sorted again, this time by a player's primary position...
DM (includes CM/DM)
And finally, all the star buys in one, handy, place. Nice.
Jack14 reacted to J_C in JC'S DETAILED GUIDE To Success In Soccermanager
JC's Detailed Guide To Success in Soccermanager
*NEW: Just wanted to say not managed a team for a long time on SM now so I suspect several parts that I have mentioned below are now less relevant, out of date or even completely wrong, for example I believe unmanaged teams can now use any of 20+ formations so using 3-5-2 to beat the previously default 4-4-2 isn't going to work as well . . .
This is my first post in the help section, so please bear with it, and feel free to give advice. I hope it is appreciated. It is very long, so feel free to skip sections, I have tried to highlight key words and sections.
What I am hoping to do here is to put down here is most of what I have experienced* about SM over the past 4 years and hopefully help everyone from newcomers to experienced managers and clear-up some misconceptions
All the advice will have varying success dependent on your league and your decisions and I cannot guarantee it is all accurate, as I lot of what I say is what I have generally observed and I do not have the evidence to back up a lot of the advice.
I will divide the guide into two parts. The only way to improve your teams results is through Tactics or Player Transfers.
You will need both, throughout soccer manager you will often see teams of average ratings 80, beat 90s. The match engine relies a lot on tactics, however it is clearly important for the long term to build a strong team.
Use In-Game Instructions
If your team is losing at 60 minutes it is rare on soccer manager that this result will be different at 90 minutes. For this reason you should at least make some changes to attempt to make difference. Equally if you are winning at 60 minutes don't make changes, as your formation is working well already.
Possession Is The Key Statistic
As evidence of this I have just looked at EC106 Div 2, a division with relatively equal sides but some differences, all very active managers who are playing every formation under the sun.
Out of the 20 games, looking at the teams with greater possession
Look at your own games and you will often find maybe 80% of games are won on possession. ( I have noticed it can often be inaccurate however if one team changes their formation significantly at some point midway through the game)
I have to emphasise though I have never found a way to improve possession, trying formations like 3-6-1 with slow tempo and men behind ball, which you would have thought might improve your possession statistics, will have the same chances of success as any other formation
Number Of Shots Is Less Important
I hear many managers complain about the number of shots they had and still lost. The number of shots is clearly relevant but less so out of 20 games looking at the teams with the greater number of shots,
Possession is the best statistic to look at.
Do Not Judge Players On Past Success
Many a manager like to judge players on there recent number of goals or favouritism.
I would argue selection should be based purely on
I believe The SM match engine can only recognise these 4 facts, and it will NOT KNOW that Dzeko is your favourite player and scored loads for your team last season, or that his rating will go up shortly (EDIT: this was when dzeko was rated 89!), so play Yakubu ahead of him!
Top Teams Play 3-4-1-2 or 3-5-2
I have looked at a lot of the top teams in the top 100 managers page, mostly those teams with a high average points per game average, some in the region of 2.5 average points over 6+ seasons. I logged into the game worlds for a brief period with a very low club to check their tactics and league form. Now it goes without saying they generally have monster squads, however time and again they use a formation variation on 3-5-2 or 3-4-1-2, this isn't just a few teams, about 60% of the teams I looked at did, maybe 30 teams.
My theory behind this is if you have a top team playing 3-5-2, it requires very good players to work, but it may well be consistent if this is the case, hence why I found it so often in the top teams.
Also 3-5-2 generally beats the default 4-4-2 formation, again helping these teams. If you play 3-5-2 with a comparatively weaker team it often does not work.
I have to state this is NOT a super formation that will necessarily work for you, and if you play it I would expect it too work only in a limited number of circumstances, (as explained above, and also commented on further below)
3-4-1-2, Attacking & Hard Tackling
Again these three factors were recurring themes, (although not as common) in the top teams.
3-4-1-2 is more popular than 3-5-2, and generally with the team mentality set to attacking.
With hard tackling, this possibly featured more as the squads were large enough to cope with any suspensions and I have never noticed a long term increase in red cards (this is very debatable though). However it will likely result in more injuries.
All Formations Can Be Equally Effective
I see many threads saying this formation will do well in a certain league or you should player wingers as they will be effective, but I feel it depends greatly on your league and players and I see very few with evidence behind these claims. I'm of the opinion that every formation is equal and that each will have a certain number of tactics it is strong against and an equal number it is weak against, (given the players are equal in rating and morale).
Specific formations however can be stronger in a certain league,
if some formations are more common
your team is lower rated
your team is higher rated
or it regularly beats default 4-4-2
I cannot be certain of this though, so again take the advice with a pinch of salt. I would like to create a record of which tactics beat which, but there is so many variables it would be nigh on impossible, with billions of combinations.
NEW* Secondary Positions Are Just As Effective
If a player is a LB/RB for example then he will play equally effectively at either position. He will not play worse than a regular RB at RB. This is an age old question which causes much confusion but Im hoping this will help.
The Dev's don't often answer questions (and they have ignored this particular question in the past) or say very much at all about the match engine, I think partially because they feel they may ruin the game and you should experiment yourself, but Ste has let something slip. This quote is taken from SM Dev Ste, under the improvements section about the introduction of preferred foot (the link above):
"The players position is still the KEY thing to look at, if a player is LB/RB that means he will play equally good at either position despite his foot. A CM can play CM whatever foot he is etc.
It will only effect players who are played out of position. For example if you have a CM who is left footed and you play him right wing he may well play worse than if you played him left wing."
The key line being "if a player is a LB/RB that means he will play equally good at either position"
More detail on this can be found here:
Also now with the player position suggested position feature (you get a green square if he can play there effectively) this point looks to have been proved.
The Match Engine Is Simplistic
I'm of the opinion that you cannot take the match commentary very seriously or the match engine for that matter.
The commentary appears to be almost randomly generated. You will notice you will never see a penalty given, despite being asked to pick a penalty taker? The quotes from the commentary are regularly repeated, even sometimes in the same order, and also many a time in the match commentary you will read about 4 shots on target and then the match statistics will say there was only 2 shots on target.
Players Out Of Position
If a player is played out of position I believe the match engine will treat him as a lower rated player. So if you play a CB at RB he will maybe drop 2 in rating. Play a CF in CM and he might drop 5 in rating.
So it can be advantageous sometime to play players out of position if your only other option is a player 10 less in rating. (This is just a theory, however I think it is likely this is how it will work)
Do not play players low on fitness, especially NMF. They are more likely to get injured, player with lower performance and will still be tired the next week so you may as well rest them now. I try not to play players below 80-90% (at worst).
Play Targetman/Playmaker if Comparatively High Rated
I would advise using these two options when you have a player who is especially high rated for your league. These options will then emphasise his greater ability, give him more time on the ball and provide greater influence on the match.
If a player is particularly low on moral I would advise giving him a new long contract. Moral will affect there performances and the new contract can often raise there moral by a significant amount.
If you have enough players I would recommend using substitutions. Even if they are lower rated replacements they will normally get high ratings on the match report and improve the team. It does however mean you will have more players lower on fitness
As I'm sure you are aware one of the most important parts of this game is risers. I cannot emphasise this enough. It is often the only way to make money for small clubs, and you can make a lot of money especially in uncompetitive leagues up to 100 million+ a season (if you put in a lot of effort!). It is increasingly important with the latest improvements with cash injections (at the end of the season) now seemingly rarer and the “realistic attendances” generally reducing incomes.
Buy Every Rising 10k Player
I would recommend you buy every 10k player who might rise.
10k players have the largest percentage increase in value.
Often for example 2900% for a moderate rise in value to 300k. Compared with rises in the 84 range where you might get a 100% increase in value. This means if you had 100k to spend and bought 100, 10k players you might get back 25mill! Although it would be important to consider wages. Wages normally are 3k/turn and players are transfer banned for 20turns so a 10k player in reality costs 70k+, so any rise would have to be more than this and this is also why it is perhaps not a good idea to stock up on these kind of players in estonia etc (which I learnt to my mistake) as they haven't reviewed them for 3 years . . .(SM has only been around for about 6 years total, they may as well not bother with these leagues if they are not going to review them)
As soon as players have risen and are of transfer ban try to reinvest your gains.
Try to swap them (or swap two players), for a new riser (unless they themselves are going to rise again).
Transfer listing them often means you lose value compared with what you get in a player exchange.
Also I wouldn't worry if your losing money because wages are too high. Take it player by player if his rise will cover his wages then buy him. You will gain at the end of it, but you will need too sell the odd player to remain out of debt.
Loads of risers can be found on threads on the forum or use websites to see who is starting in matches.
Buy Players At Big Clubs
Try to buy players at the "big" clubs, ie the likes of Liverpool, Bayern Munich, Inter Milan, Barcelona and possibly some others like Sevilla. This is because they are almost guaranteed a 90+ rating for many many years, they don't necessarily have to be performing well, if they are low rated they can often rise rapidly and you will see the large majority of high rated players come from these teams. It can be tempting to buy players at smaller clubs who are talented and performing well (compared to for example a shaky but starting right back for Bayern) but it is much much harder for these players to gain 90+ ratings and they often will only rise to this level after years of amazing (and it is rare that they can maintain this) performances or until they move to a big club. So I would advise taking gambles on players that might break into the big teams. For example Thiago Motta, is an under-appreciated transfer, I feel he will will get a 92+ for a long time (EDIT: somewhat predictably he is now injured!).
My Team: Preston North End (not a "big club"!),
I often feel many mangers/forumers concentrate on talents too much with very few of them ever making it. In uncompetitive leagues especially, I would advise leaving them and buy them later, when they actually look likely to rise or breakthrough regularly to a big team. For example I believe in 2006 Theo Walcott was rated maybe something in the region of 84 (correct me if I'm wrong) and now 8 SM seasons later he is 89 a surprisingly poor return.
Save Money On Contracts
This has already been said on previous threads, but try to sign long term risers on 5 year contracts, and if a player drops in rating get him to resign. This is because a player wages is determined by the rating at the current time. Wages jump up in levels at every 5 player rating ie at 80, 85, 90 ,95.
If you are lower league team make an effort at the start of a season to try and secure some impressive loan signings. They can easily improve your team for free! Be a bit cheeky and send a few messages too the top teams enquiring (politely) if they might loan anyone, and you can often get players considerably better than those on the loan list.
I would also strongly suggest reading Hesse's excellent guide, which goes into a lot more detail on securing loans and negotiating deals with managers within the transfer market, and has a lot of good points;
There we go the end of the guide!
Hope it was helpful and feedback would be hugely appreciated.
*I have been a member since 2006, reputation of 356, 49th in the world with Stoke City in EC60 (though that has been going badly recently!) and manage in EC106, (arguably the most competitive and active setup there is) with Shorpe United.
Jack14 reacted in How SM SHOULD Be Moderated. (Aimed Towards Chat)
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We should obviously be able too expect more than what we are being given, or as I say, chat wouldn't have been shut down for the period it was and new rules wouldnt have too had been drafted up.
Jack14 reacted to Insider in ROMARINHO (Romario Hugo dos Santos - Palmeiras - born: 01/06/1994
Once in a while, a player comes along who completly dominated his generation at a very young age. It happens slightly more often in Brazil. We've had Ronaldinho, Kaka. We've had Pato. Neymar and Coutinho are currently entering that stage. Here is the next one. I don't usually post about players so young, and I don't usually post about players I've never seen.
15 year old Romarinho is the exeption. Born in 1994, Romario Hugo dos Santos has been doing at the youth levels exactly the same thing as his namesake did. Score goals.
Brought to Palmeiras at the age of 9 years old, he immediatly started winning golden boot awards at every level. 26 goals in the U12 Paulista as a 10 year old, then 30 as an 11 year old. He has since been leading scorer in International competitions and in the Brazil - Japan U15 tournament, when he was only 13.
Palmeiras are known for losing their youths quickly, so they offered Romarinho's family an apartment, and all the financial aid they could legally offer a kid aged under 16. This was enough for them to save him, despite offers from Barcelona and Santos, who are notorious for stealing gems from youth squads.
From there, the buzz has just increased in the Palestra Italia. His debut is highly anticipated, and almost guaranteed to be before he turns 18. He has signed a contract with ADIDAS, and is expected to be called up for the under 17 World Cup, where he can learn from Wellington, Coutinho and possibly Neymar.
Big things are expected. Will he deliver?
Jack14 reacted to Jim Iley in Full look at Brazil: Part 1
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The Elias that is a riser is Mendes Trindade ELIAS, Corinthians (just called Mendes ELIAS on SM).
24 year old box-to-box Midfielder CM/DM on SM, sometimes plays RM, born 16.5.85.
Rated 78 but now has 15 starts in the Campeonato Brasileiro for Corinthians who currently sit 7th in the table, and could be higher when ratings are done (table quite tight, so also could be lower). He is now cemented in the team as a regular starter.
Consequently this Elias will hit mid 80's in a couple of weeks time, exact rating depending on where Corinthians are in the table.
Buy him now for just over a million quid and £7k pw wages. Bargain.
Jack14 reacted to mistermalcolm in Must buy riser possible +13
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Sorry Jammers and Swanseajack but I am right and you are not Re Havern ,Sorry he does play for Stockport
ESPN ( who can be wrong ) list him as starting 4 league and 1 Carling game.
as do Soccerbase
Sure he is still listed at Mansfield by SM but they won't normally be bothered to update until the next rating change. I have checked the match reports from the BBC and they confirm that this is correct. I don't think they will have missed a yellow card .
I suggest you goto the Stockport county official website and check as I did before posting.
The wikipedia page on Havern himself is out of date but the wikipedia page on Stockport lists him as resigned as of August.
He was initially a Stockport trainee but he signed for Mansfield due to Stockports financial plight, but only signed a 6 month contract, he then re signed for Stockport. If he continues playing he will rise to at least the average for a Stockport player in the next ratings ie 74/75 and then possibly higher if he plays 75% of their games.
One way of finding a bargain is to spot an incorrectly listed player ie a conference player who really plays in league 1, you will make a healthy profit or gain a low wage potential star. Also remember Stockport are now managed by the former head of Liverpools Youth Team so it isn't difficult to imagine where any decent discoveries will end up..
and finally try buying Havern in most of the setups, you won't be able to as he will have been snapped up by astute managers.
To quote John Naisbitt "We are drowning in information but starved for knowledge"
Jack14 reacted to Sinny in Jozsef Varga
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End of last season, due to just appearances in the Hungarian champions was to about 81/82. But now because they reach the ECC and he has been an integral part next to Zoltan Kiss and Peter Mate who are like 85-86, then I would say about 83/84. But in steps he shall rise to about 82/83, then around 85/86.
If he has any NT caps in the future (media reports have suggested it) then I can fully guarantee he'd be able to reach 87/88.
Jack14 reacted in Martins BRUNO COUTINHO
Martins BRUNO COUTINHO
Bruno Coutinho was born in Porto Alegre, Brazil, on 21st June 1986.
He started his career with Gremio, one of the leading teams in Brazil, but he decided to leave after a lack of games at the Brazilian outfit. A brief spell at America FC was also unfruitful, as was his time at Nacional, in Uruguay.
A Difficult Choice
Bruno’s career was at a crossroad. He could persevere in South America, but become a failure in a country that produces many youngsters just like him, desperate for their big break. Or he could move to Eastern Europe, where the money is good, and there is plenty chances of becoming a hero amongst the fans. Bruno opted for the latter, and the rest, they say, has become history. . .
In 2007 Bruno decided to go to a trial with Jagiellonia Białystok, a team that had just been promoted to the Ekstraklasa. The trial with the club was successful, but the young Brazilian only played 5 games in the season when the main focus was on survival. In the summer, Jagiellonia decided that they must push on from their first season, and brought fellow Brazilian Hermes, a defensive midfielder, to compliment the attacking-minded Bruno. The youngster had only played 5 games in the season, but he had showed that, with a little bit of tutoring, he could become a star player for this newly ambitious club.
The 08/09 Season
When many Polish clubs were still playing 4-5-1, Jagiellonia reverted to a classy diamond system that allowed Bruno to attack opposing defences with aplomb. With the excellent Hermes acting as a brick wall against teams, Jagiellonia had a much improved season. They finished 9th, five places higher than the season before. Bruno played 13 games overall that season, the season he proved he could become a hero in Poland.
Unfortunately, Jagiellonia were given a 10-point deduction at the start of the season, for accusations of match fixing. It was typical that, with the points they’ve accumulated so far, they would be 2nd in the league. Bruno has been fantastic so far, and has helped Jagiellonia recover from their deficit.
In the opening 4 games, Bruno has played all of them. Sometimes playing just behind the strikers, Bruno has also been deployed on the right wing. He has been arguably one of their best players, as they stormed away from the 10-point deduction. Last Saturday he scored a cute little goal against Slask Wroclaw to pull his team from the negative numbers.
Next rise: +7? – Bruno could be Poland’s biggest riser, if he continues to play the way he has been. Bruno has become an indispensable player, and he will probably play for the rest of Jagiellonia’s season, unless he gets injured. I think the only stumbling block for him getting a large rise is Jagiellonia’s position in the league, although no fault of his own.
Jack14 reacted to Radebe20 in Argentinian Analysis
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Upcoming Rating Changes
Gonzalo Aban 80>Ferro (Nacional (Doing well)
Mauro Bogado 80>82
Ignacio Canuto 84>86
Derlis Cardozo 83>Union (Nacional
Juan Carrera 80>Independiente Rivadavia (Nacional
Matias Caruzzo 87>87/88
Matias Cordoba 79>Quilmes (Nacional
Facundo Coria 83>84
Tarija Gabriel Perez 78>Independiente Rivadavia (Nacional (Doing well)
Nicolas Gianni 82>80
Gabriel Hauche 87>88
Rene Lima 82>80
Mariano Martinez 82>80 (Arsenal)
Juan Mercier 86>87
Gustavo Oberman 82>82
Juan Ojeda 75>75
Nestor Ortigoza 87>87
Nicolas Pavlovich 86>85/86
Nicolas Peric 85>83
Gonzalo Prosperi 85>86
Franco Quiroga 80>80
Santiago Raymonda 86>86
Carlos Recalde 84>Cerro Porteno (Paraguay)
Ciro Pablo Rius 75>75
Andres Romero 80>80
Daniel Romero 78>78
Juan Sabia 86>86/85
Hernan Salazar 72>72
Carlos Santibanez 78>78
Andres Scotti 87>87
Victor Sosa 85>86
Sebastian Torrico 86>87
Rafael Viotti 75>Aldosivi (Nacional
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Jack14 reacted to Synyster in English Championship 2013 - Bradford City
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Bradford Ready For Stoke Challenge
Bradford City welcome Stoke City to the Valley Parade after getting a first win in 8 against Norwich on Saturday, Bradford are ready to welcome Santon back to the first team after recovering from a thigh injury, Yuri Osaka stays upfront as Duada is still not match fit, Busquets could be dropped from the first team with Isla recovering from a dislocated shoulder he recieved last season.
Stoke City have Delap out with a broken leg, Shawcross is recovering from a stubbed toe and will recieve a late medical test, Kitson and Fuller will start upfront after both scoring braces in their last game. Liam Lawerence and Danny Pugh are both unfit and will recieve late medicals.
This is the first time the two clubs will meet and Kevin hopes that a win can trigger a race for the premier league.
Jack14 reacted to Insider in Full look at Brazil: Part 1
First 10 teams I chose to analyse from Brazil. Feel free to ask questions. The other 10 are coming sometime in the next two weeks.
CR = Continued Riser
Eder-Leandro Castan-Andre Luis-Daniel Marques-Marcio Careca
Rene has this spot. He has played every game of every competition, and has played quite well. Deserves a rise from 78 to about 81 for now.
31 - Rene: 78 - +4 - 82 (6 starts) CR
A few new signings have made a dent into the lineup. Young Xandao is a TRAFFIC product who is starting to make a name for himself and Andre Luis is rated 86, ex-International. Leandro Castan and Daniel Marques are both regulars as well.
29 - Andre Luis: 86 - -2 - 84 (3 starts, 1 goal)
25 - Daniel Marques: 82 - / - 82 (4 starts, 1 goal)
23 - Joao Leonardo: 79 - / - 79 (2 starts)
22 - Leandro Castan: 78 - +3 - 81 (6 starts)
21 - Xandao: -- New -- 73 (2 starts, 1 sub)
The main fight here is at the right back position, where Eder and Pimentel are fighting it out. Marcio is a lock on the left.
30 - Marcio Careca: 82 - / - 82 (6 starts)
25 - Marcos Pimentel: -- New -- 74 (3 starts, 1 sub, 1 goal)
23 - Eder: 77 - +2 - 79 (3 starts, 2 subs)
When Barueri decide to go with one defensive mid, it has been Ralf and will continue to be. Leanderson got some quality time in the Paulista, but isn't used much lately. Joao Vitor is one to watch, impressed with Marilia, is a new arrival on loan.
31 - Marcio Hahn: 79 - -2 - 77 (1 sub)
26 - Franciscatti: -- New -- 71 (1 sub)
26 - Leanderson: 77 - +2 - 79 (3 starts)
24 - Ralf: -- New -- 82 (6 starts)
21 - Joao Vitor: -- New -- 73 (3 subs)
Again, only one AM is usually used, and this is Ewerton. He gets a lot of support from the attacking wingbacks, and has been doing a great job so far supporting the 3 striker system.
30 - Esley: -- New -- 72 (1 sub)
25 - Flavinho: -- New -- 74 (2 subs)
24 - Ewerton: -- New -- 82 (6 starts, 2 goals)
23 - Camilo: 80 - -2 - 78 (2 subs)
Pedrao is the man leading the charge, with Thiago Humberto and Fernandinho supporting. Again, Barueri are fairly straightforward, always using the same lineup. Pedrao was also one of the top scorers in the Paulista, he could finish the season around 86 if he keeps the pace.
31 - Pedrao: 82 - +1 - 83 (6 starts, 4 goals)
28 - Val Baiano: -- New -- 74 (3 subs)
23 - Thiago Humberto: -- New -- 81 (6 starts)
23 - Fernandinho: -- New -- 80 (6 starts)
Marcus Vinicius-Leo Gago
Eduarado Martini has been the only keeper used so far. Depending on what he is added at, he might be a riser.
30 - Eduardo Martini: -- New -- 81 (6 starts)
Despite a few sending offs, the pairing has been Turatto and Emerson, throughout. They haven't lit the league alight, but have held their own.
32 - Turatto: -- New -- 81 (6 starts)
25 - Emerson: -- New -- 81 (5 starts, 2 RC)
22 - Anderson Luis: -- New -- 73 (1 start, 1 sub)
After a slight rise last year at Fluminense, Uendel Pereira is back, this time as a starter. He'll hit 80 this time around, should rise more later. Medina is a promising youngster, keep an eye on him.
28 - Ferdinando: -- New -- 80 (5 starts)
20 - Uendel: 75 - +5 - 80 (5 starts) CR
18 - Medina: -- New -- 72 (1 sub)
Marcus Vinicius was a great signing from Istanbul. He holds Avai together.
28 - Pingo: 82 - -3 - 79 (1 start)
25 - Leo Gago: -- New -- 79 (4 starts)
24 - Wendell: -- New -- 72 (1 start)
23 - Marcus Vinicius: 84 - / - 84 (6 starts)
22 - Bruno: -- New -- 74 (1 start, 2 subs)
Muriqui has been the lead man for Avai's attack. He will be a big riser this season. He roams in and out of games, but is still a main creative force.
33 - Ricardinho: 82 - -2 - 80 (2 subs, 1 goal)
28 - Caio: 80 - / - 80 (3 starts, 1 sub)
27 - Marquinhos: 80 - / - 80 (3 starts, 1 goal)
27 - Odair: -- New -- 74 ( 1 start, 1 sub)
22 - Muriqui: 74 - +7 - 81 (6 starts, 2 goals) CR
Evando, Lima and William have been disappointing this season. Muriqui is leading the scoring, it is no coincidence. All the strikers have been wasteful, they need to get their act together.
31 - Evando: -- New -- 80 (5 starts, 1 goal)
25 - Lima: 81 - -1 - 80 (1 start, 4 subs, 1 goal)
25 - William: 80 - / - 80 (3 starts, 1 sub)
25 - Luiz Ricardo: -- New -- 76 (2 starts, 3 subs)
21 - Rafael Costa: -- New -- 71 ( 1 sub)
This position is actually still up for grabs. Castillo has been busy on duty for Uruguay, and I think Renan still has the upper hand. Renan has a lot of potentail, and a lot of Athleticism. Still a bit raw, though, a young Kameni.
31 - Castillo: 86 - -1 - 85 (2 starts)
20 - Renan: 84 - +1 - 85 (4 starts)
The young Wellington got quite a bit of action in the Carioca, but Eduardo has taken his spot here. It's nice to see Juninho bounce back, he was 87 two seasons ago before a flawed transfer to Sao Paulo. He is back to full form.
27 - Emerson: 85 - +1 - 86 (3 starts)
26 - Teco: 80 - -2 - 78 (1 start)
26 - Juninho: 85 - +1 - 86 (5 starts)
21 - Wellington: 72 - +3 - 75 (1 start, 1 sub)
Eduardo is mainly a left wingback, but he can play DM or CB as well and has been one of Botafogo's best. He provides lots of great runs, a lot like Thiaguinho. Gabriel is quite highly rated as well, but I havn't seen him yet.
31 - Alessandro: 85 - +1 - 86 (5 starts)
24 - Thiaguinho: 85 - +1 - 86 (3 starts, 2 subs)
20 - Gabriel: -- New -- 73 (1 start, 2 subs)
20 - Eduardo: 77 - +5 - 82 (6 starts) CR
Fahel has been absolutly stellar in the Carioca and Brasileiro. He usually ventures forward while Leandro Guerreiro stays back as an extra defender.
29 - Leandro Guerreiro: 87 - / - 87 (6 starts)
29 - Batista: 82 - -1 - 81 (1 start, 1 goal)
27 - Fahel: 84 - +2 - 86 (6 starts, 1 goal)
26 - Tulio Souza: 80 - +3 - 83 (4 starts)
23 - Leo Silva: 80 - +1 - 81 (1 start, 3 subs)
Rodrigo Dantas' stats may look impressive, but he hasn't played since Lucio Flavio's arrival. Still a top prospect though. It seems as if Lucio Flavio is back in form after a bad spell at Santos.
30 - Lucio Flavio: 88 - -1 - 87 (3 starts)
24 - Lucas Silva: 80 - / - 80 (1 start)
23 - Renato: 86 - -2 - 84 (1 sub)
19 - Rodrigo Dantas: -- New -- 74 (2 starts, 1 sub)
Victor Simoes is always the main threat here. Posesses a great shot, just going through a dry spell at the moment. Expect him to finish with about 8-10 goals. Tony hasn't impressed me much, I like Jean and Laio much more. Jean is creative, will try anything to get it on goal. Laio is more of a wide striker, he'll cross it in, using flair and speed. Exepct to see him subbing on a lot this year, and eventually making it big. An injured Reinaldo is expected to make an impact when he comes back.
28 - Victor Simoes: 81 - +3 - 84 (6 starts, 1 goal)
25 - Diego: 80 - -2 - 78 (1 sub)
23 - Tony: -- New -- 77 (3 starts, 2 subs, 1 goal)
21 - Jean Coral: 75 - +2 - 77 (1 start, 2 subs)
20 - Laio: -- New -- 74 (1 start, 2 subs, 1 goal)
19 - Junior: -- New -- 70 (1 sub)
-------------Roberto Brum--Rodrigo Souto------------
Fabio Costa (ex-90) is the man in goal this season. Has a tendency to allow a weak goal, but has still done a good job. Wayyy too exitable though.
31 - Fabio Costa: 88 - / - 88 (5 starts)
26 - Douglas: 83 - / - 83 (1 start)
Domingos has fallen out of favour. He's pretty much just a hired goon now. Fabao has been playing very well, taking some free kicks as well with that powerful foot of his.
33 - Fabao: 86 - +1 - 87 (6 starts, 1 goal)
31 - Fabiano Eller: 88 - / - 88 (5 starts)
26 - Paulo Henrique Rodrigues - 83 - -2 - 81 (1 sub)
23 - Domingos: 87 - -2 - 85 (1 start)
Leo is going down based on performance. Hasn't convinced me at all, I liked Triguinho a lot better before he got hurt down the left. Down the right, we have two risers. Luizinho and Para play different styles, Luizinho likes to attack more. In the match Luizinho missed, we clearly saw stale attacking against Botafogo. Both will be interesting this season.
33 - Leo: 88 - -1 - 87 (4 starts, 1 sub)
29 - Triguinho: 84 - / - 84 (1 start)
26 - Luizinho: 80 - +3 - 83 (5 starts) CR
23 - Para: 76 - +4 - 80 (2 starts, 4 subs) CR
Both Brum and Souto have been very solid, but I think I like Germano just as much. He was unfortunate to get injured, as he usually came on to solidify the defending at the end of the games. Can't go wrong with any of these 3.
30 - Roberto Brum: 85 - +2 - 87 (6 starts)
28 - Germano: 80 - +2 - 82 (1 start, 2 subs)
25 - Rodrigo Souto: 88 - / - 88 (5 starts, 2 goals)
Madson has been the best player for Santos so far. Small, quick and tough, he really should be rated 87. 86 is more likely though, as I'm not fully confident in SM. If he keeps going, expect 88 by the end of the season. Molina has been solid, usually subbing out for Neymar, but the big surprise has been Paulo Henrique, who has started every game. Looked shaky early on, but now seems comfortable in that role. He's a starter, undisputed.
29 - Molina: 87 - / - 87 (4 starts, 1 sub, 2 goals)
23 - Madson: 84 - +2 - 86 (6 starts, 3 goals) CR
21 - Robson: 76 - +1 - 77 (1 sub)
19 - Paulo Henrique Lima: 71 - +10 - 81 (6 starts, 2 goals) CR
Neymar is the most interesting one here. Always sparks something, usually leads to great attacking play. His performances have been great, he's a future superstar. Kleber Pereira has been good, he works really well alone, with Madson, PH and Molina attacking from the midfield. He has a slight chance at 90.
33 - Kleber Pereira: 89 - / - 89 (6 starts, 4 goals)
32 - Roni: 87 - -2 - 85 (2 subs)
20 - Maikon Leite: 82 - -1 - 81 (2 subs)
18 - Andre: -- New -- 70 (1 sub)
17 - Neymar: 76 - +4 - 80 (2 starts, 4 subs) CR
-------Welton Felipe---Leandro Almeida-----
Thiago Feltri-----Carlos Alberto-----Junior
--------Eder Luis-------Diego Tardelli-----
It might seem like a competition, but it is not. Since signing from Ponte Preta, where he has impressed me when I've seen him, Aranha has been brilliant, quite possibly the best keeper in Brazil. He has played 3 full matches, allowing 0 goals, while Juninho allowed 5 in 3 matches. Expect Aranha to carry the load.
28 - Aranha: 78 - +5 - 83 (3 starts) CR
27 - Juninho: 84 - / - 84 (3 starts)
Welton Felipe and Leandro Almeida have been two very solid centre backs this season. When I've watched, they've shown solid tackling and excellent movement for such tall players. Werley is a backup when needed, but still a very good buy, as Leandro Almeida has been heavily linked with bigger clubs.
23 - Welton Felipe: 80 - +4 - 84 (6 starts)
22 - Leandro Almeida: 86 - / - 86 (4 starts)
20 - Werley: 75 - +4 - 79 (3 starts)
Junior looked awful when I was watching him, but has got raving reviews lately. Would be a great buy for a smaller team. Atlético are desperatly waiting the return of Sheslon from his long-term injury.
36 - Junior: 84 - +2 - 86 (6 starts, 2 goals)
24 - Thiago Feltri: 85 - +1 - 86 (5 starts, 1 sub, 1 goal)
20 - Marcos Rocha: -- New -- 73 (2 subs)
Marcio Araujo has been the best of the bunch, carrying the slack from the absence of anything creative in the midfield. The others stay back, allowing Junior and Thiago Feltri to attack. The system has worked so far, though, and they deserve to rise a bit.
31 - Carlos Alberto: 85 - +1 - 86 (5 starts, 1 sub, 1 goal)
30 - Jonilson: 84 - +1 - 85 (5 starts)
25 - Marcio Araujo: 84 - +2 - 86 (6 starts, 2 goals)
24 - Renan: 85 - +1 - 86 (6 starts)
Evandro has disappointed since arriving from Palmeiras, and Tchô has never lived up to the hype. Chiquinho and Renan Oliveira are both injured, their return will be welcome.
22 - Tchô: 82 - -2 - 80 (3 subs)
22 - Evandro: 84 - -2 - 82 (2 subs)
Eder Luis and Diego Tardelli form one of the best domestic pairings in Brazil. They were exellent in the Mineiro and superb so far, they both deserve at least a +1 to 87 for now. Kleber is a massive talent, watch out for him when he's added. Just turned 19. Julio Cesar has failed to make an impact, be it at Paranaense or here.
29 - Julio Cesar: 82 - / - 82 (2 subs, 1 sub for APR)
27 - Alessandro: 85 - -1 - 84 (5 subs, 1 goal)
24 - Eder Luis: 86 - +1 - 87 (6 starts, 4 goals)
24 - Diego Tardelli: 86 - +1 - 87 (6 starts, 3 goals)
19 - Kleber: -- New -- 71 (1 sub)
Eduardo Ere--------------------Anderson Santana
Eduardo has been the man throughout the Pernambucano, Copa and for Nautico. This season AND last season. He's due for a nice increase.
31 - Eduardo: 81 - +3 - 84 (6 starts)
Nautico use three centre backs, Asprilla, Vagner and Gladstone. All are decent, but not spectacular. They are not work keeping as long term investments.
28 - Asprilla: 85 - / - 85 (5 starts, 1 goal)
26 - Vagner: 84 - +1 - 85 (6 starts)
24 - Gladstone: 85 - / - 85 (5 starts, 1 goal)
24 - Galiardo: -- New -- 73 (1 start, 1 sub)
23 - Negretti: 82 - / - 82 (1 start, 2 subs)
19 - Luiz Alberto: -- New -- 72 (1 sub)
Anderson Santana has taken his spot back since being injured for 5 months with a broken collarbone. Eduardo Ere starts as a right-DM, pretty much right back, as Sidny has been inadequate for both Recife clubs this season. Wellington was only starting in lieu of A.S.
27 - Sidny: 86 - -1 - 85 (2 starts)
23 - Anderson Santana: 75 - +4 - 79 (3 starts) CR
19 - Wellington: -- New -- 75 (2 starts, 1 sub)
Eduardo Ere should've gotten a huge rise last season, he'll get a smaller one now. Derley and Johnny work well together, the former attacking well and the latter defending. Derley has developped a flair for the reds though, accumulating 2 in 5 games.
24 - Junior Carioca: 77 - +1 - 78 (2 starts, 1 sub)
23 - Johnny: 76 - +5 - 81 (6 starts) CR
22 - Derley: 80 - +3 - 83 (5 starts, 1 goal)
21 - Eduardo Ere: 75 - +4 - 79 (3 starts)
Nautico don't really use attacking mids, other then Dinda, who is (with Lessa) the top substitute. Dinda is a real promise who will be brought up at Nautico, fast and has a ton of flair.
28 - Juliano: -- New -- 72 (1 sub)
24 - Ailton: -- New -- 74 (2 starts)
20 - Dinda: 75 - +3 - 78 (2 starts, 4 subs) CR
Gilmar and Carlinhos Bala have been the starting pair, with Lessa usually making a spark with serious second half minutes. Bala is very much in the same style as Lessa, runners who put effort into everything. Gilmar is more of a finisher. They work quite well together, especially when Dinda is on.
37 - Kuki: 82 - / - 82 (1 start, 1 sub)
29 - Carlinhos Bala: 86 - / - 86 (6 starts, 2 goals)
28 - Adriano Magrao: 85 - -2 - 83 (1 sub)
25 - Gilmar: 80 - +3 - 83 (6 starts, 2 goals)
19 - Anderson Lessa: 72 - +7 - 79 (1 start, 4 subs, 2 goals) CR
Marcio Gabriel----Rodrigo Mancha---------Vicente
-Pedro Ken--Marcelinho Paraiba-Carlinhos Paraiba
Despite the poor performances of Coritiba, Vanderlei has been solid throughout 2009. He's one of the first keepers I'd rush to buy from Brazil.
29 - Edson Bastos: 82 - -1 - 81 (1 start)
25 - Vanderlei: 83 - +2 - 85 (5 starts)
Cleiton is back from injury, expect him to get quite a few more starts. He had 18 starts in the Pernambucano, more then Felipe and Pereira. He's one for the small teams, long term. Felipe should retain his spot, not 100% sure about Pereira. Demerson was more of an emergency replacement.
29 - Pereira: 86 - / - 86 (5 starts)
27 - Cleiton: 76 - +2 - 78 (2 starts) CR
23 - Demerson: -- New -- 72 (1 start)
22 - Felipe: 82 - +2 - 84 (6 starts)
These two spots are completly up for grabs. Vicente and Marcio Gabriel seemed to have the spots nailed down, but Guaru and, especially Rodrigo Heffner, were spectacular in the 5-0 drubbing of Flamengo. Anything is possible now, so every one of them could be a star buy.
27 - Guaru: 78 - / - 78 (1 start, 1 sub)
26 - Vicente: 80 - +1 - 81 (3 starts)
26 - Marcio Gabriel: 82 - +1 - 83 (4 starts)
26 - Rodrigo Heffner: 80 - +1 - 81 (2 starts)
This is, seemingly, where everything has gone wrong this season. The holding mids simply havn't been able to control the midfield or to stop opposing attackers. I wouldn't recommend any of these.
27 - Jailton: 86 - -1 - 85 (2 starts, 1 sub)
25 - Leandro Donizete: 81 - +2 - 83 (4 starts, 1 sub)
23 - Rodrigo Mancha: 84 - / - 84 (3 starts)
21 - Dirceu: -- New -- 73 (1 start, 1 sub)
Renatinho has been the most spectacular, starring in the 5-0 drubbing and scoring a goal in his other start. He will be getting more action. Carlinhos has been so-so, showing flashes of his potential, but never controlling the ball that long. Pedro Ken is decent, but probably never going to develop into that much of a player. He strikes me as the type that will make a living in Japan, to be honest.
26 - Carlinhos Paraiba: 84 - +1 - 85 (4 starts)
25 - Ramon: 84 - -2 - 82 (2 subs)
22 - Pedro Ken: 82 - +2 - 84 (5 starts)
20 - Renatinho: 76 - +3 - 79 (2 starts, 1 sub, 1 goal) CR
Marcelinho has been absolutly stellar behind Marcos Aurelio and Ariel, and Bruno has shown a ton of promise. This attack has a ton of potential, but I can see Ariel being replaced by Bruno quite soon.
33 - Marcelinho Paraiba: 90 - / - 90 (4 starts, 1 sub, 4 goals)
25 - Marcos Aurelio: 86 - / - 86 (5 starts, 1 goal)
24 - Bruno Batata: -- New -- 77 (1 start, 3 subs, 2 goals)
23 - Hugo: 82 - / - 82 (2 starts, 1 goal)
23 - Thiago Silvy: -- New -- 71 (1 sub)
21 - Ariel: 82 - +1 - 83 (3 starts, 2 subs)
21 - Leozinho: -- New -- 72 (2 subs, 1 goal)
Bruno has looked either good or bad. Most of the time he has been good though. I would've called a rise to 89 before the Coritiba match, but 88 seems fine now.
24 - Bruno: 88 - / - 88 (6 starts)
Definatly the weak spot since the retirement of Fabio Luciano. Welinton has been slightly sub-par, Airton, Willians and Toro have all played a bit of centre-back.
33 - Ronaldo Angelim: 87 - +1 - 88 (6 starts)
20 - Welinton: 75 - +4 - 79 (3 starts, 1 sub) CR
All three have been good. Everton Silva has tremendous pace and might just be the best buy on this Flamengo squad. Definatly will get more action. Leo Moura and Juan are both almost uniquely attack minded, which gives the DM's that much more to do.
30 - Leonardo Moura: 89 - / - 89 (4 starts)
27 - Juan: 89 - / - 89 (5 starts)
20 - Everton Silva: 74 - +5 - 79 (2 starts, 2 subs) CR
This has been the strong point for Fla. Willians has been phenomenal, Fla's most valuable player. Was suspended for one game, and everything fell apart. Toro has done very well filling in, and Airton is about the most defensive minded DM you'll find, other then perhaps Nautico's Johnny.
23 - Willians: 80 - +4 - 84 (5 starts) CR
22 - Toro: 86 - / - 86 (5 starts)
19 - Airton: 83 - +2 - 85 (6 starts) CR
Don't be fooled by stats. Kleberson has been away on NT duty. Ibson has been the best player other then Willians for Flamengo. Both have been good and are the starters. It's time to give up on Fierro, IMO. Everton will probably go back to the bench when Kleberson gets back. Alex Cruz is nothing special, nor is Ze Roberto. Erick Flores will need a loan with all the other attacking minded players here.
30 - Kleberson: 87 - +1 - 88 (4 starts)
28 - Zé Roberto: 87 - -2 - 85 (1 sub)
26 - Fierro: 86 - -2 - 84 (2 subs)
25 - Ibson: 88 - +1 - 89 (6 starts)
24 - Alex Cruz: -- New -- 70 (1 sub)
20 - Everton: 82 - +2 - 84 (4 starts, 2 subs)
20 - Erick Flores: 75 - +2 - 77 (3 subs)
Adriano is the clear starter here. The rest will all likely take turns subbing once Fla have their full lineup. They have too many good attackers. Emerson looked good against Sport, but not since or before. Josiel isn't playing enough to be as good as he can, Maxi isn't doing much and Aleilson looked lively in his lone appearance.
30 - Emerson: 79 - +2 - 81 (3 starts, 2 goals)
28 - Josiel: 88 - -1 - 87 (3 starts, 2 subs)
27 - Adriano: 91 - -2 - 89 (3 starts, 1 goal)
24 - Maxi: 85 - -2 - 83 (1 sub)
23 - Aleilson: -- New -- 71 (1 sub)
Mariano------Luiz Alberto-----Edcarlos-----------Joao Paulo
Fernando Henrique has been good, he'll take that spot back after his injury.
30 - Ricardo Berna: 80 - +2 - 82 (3 starts)
25 - Fernando Henrique: 87 - / - 87 (3 starts)
Fairly obvious here. Captain Luiz Alberto and Edcarlos are solid starters, that won't change anytime soon.
31 - Luiz Alberto: 87 - / - 87 (6 starts)
24 - Edcarlos: 86 - +1 - 87 (6 starts)
22 - Cassio: -- New -- 75 (2 starts, 1 sub)
Mariano is clear starter on the right. Diogo has replaced him for his injury, but he'll be back. On the left, it's all Joao Paulo. Was injured for 2 games, but he's easily the starter, quite defensive for a wing-back. Dieguinho is a weak link, I'm not a big fan of his at all.
22 - Mariano: 84 - / - 84 (2 starts, 1 goal)
21 - Eduardo Ratinho: 83 - -1 - 82 (1 start, 1 sub)
19 - Dieguinho: -- New -- 73 (2 starts)
18 - Joao Paulo: 76 - +5 - 81 (4 starts) CR
Expect new signing Fabio Santos to fight for a spot. In the mean time, Diguinho will also fight, he's back from injury. Mauricio needs more playing time, he has a ton of potential.
32 - Fabinho: 86 - -1 - 85 (3 subs)
30 - Wellington Monteiro: 87 - / - 87 (6 starts)
26 - Diguinho: 86 - -1 - 85 (1 sub)
22 - Diogo: 85 - / - 85 (3 starts)
20 - Mauricio: 85 - / - 85 (1 start, 2 subs, 1 goal)
Thiago Neves has been comparativly poor this season. He hasn't done anything, to be fully honest. Tarta is still a decent prospect, but Carlos Eduardo is the one to look out for here. I havn't watched him yet, but have heard good things. Marquinho and Conca have both been very solid.
26 - Conca: 88 - +1 - 89 (5 starts)
24 - Thiago Neves: 90 - -1 - 89 (5 starts)
22 - Marquinho: 83 - +2 - 85 (6 starts)
20 - Tarta: 82 - -1 - 82 (2 subs)
19 - Carlos Eduardo: -- New -- 76 (3 starts)
Fred is the go to guy, and the only go-to guy. Maicon was played more early on, when the A team was being rested for Copa. Now, Carlos Eduardo is preffered. Still a good prospect, but I don't like him. L. Amaral is done.
31 - Leandro Amaral: 88 - -2 - 86 (1 sub)
25 - Fred: 91 - -1 - 90 (5 starts, 2 goals)
22 - Everton Santos: 83 - / - 83 (2 subs)
19 - Maicon: 77 - +3 - 80 (3 starts, 2 subs)
19 - Alan: 76 - +2 - 78 (1 start, 2 subs)
Victor also has started all Libertadores matches, is probably the best keeper in Brazil at the moment. Missed 2 games for International duty.
25 - Victor: 88 - +1 - 89 (4 starts)
22 - Marcelo Grohe: 83 - / - 83 (2 starts)
The trio (Rafa,Rever,Leo) has been rock solid. Gaucho, Brasileiro or Libertadores, they have been undisputed and are amongst the top defenders in Brazil right now.
25 - Rafael Marques: 85 - +2 - 87 (6 starts) CR
24 - Rever: 87 - +1 - 88 (5 starts, 1 goal)
22 - Thiego: 83 - / - 83 (1 start, 1 sub)
21 - Leo: 88 - / - 88 (6 starts)
Ruy and Fabio Santos have been sensational attacking wingbacks, both deserve rises in their first Grêmio seasons.
31 - Jadilson: 87 - -1 - 86 (2 subs)
30 - Ruy: 87 - +1 - 88 (5 starts)
29 - Joilson: 88 - -2 - 86 (2 subs)
23 - Fabio Santos: 82 - +3 - 85 (6 starts, 1 goal) CR
20 - Helder: 85 - -2 - 83 (1 sub)
Grêmio cannot wait for Willian Magrao to come back. They are much better with him then with Adilson, who has struggled. Will still get a nice rise though.
33 - Tulio: 87 - / - 87 (3 starts, 1 sub)
22 - Adilson: 80 - +4 - 84 (5 starts)
Souza has been the top man here, in all competitions. He needs to get his 89 back eventually, starting off with 88 though. Douglas Costa is a top prospect, who hasn't shown much yet this season.
33 - Tcheco: 88 - / - 88 (5 starts)
30 - Souza: 87 - +1 - 88 (6 starts, 2 goals)
18 - Douglas Costa: 78 - +2 - 80 (5 subs)
Jonas has been the better of the strikers, unfortunate to get a slight injury. More was expected from Alex Mineiro, he has been disappointing.
34 - Alex Mineiro: 88 - -1 - 87 (3 starts, 1 sub
25 - Maxi Lopez: 86 - +1 - 87 (6 starts, 1 goal)
25 - Jonas: 85 - +1 - 86 (3 starts, 1 sub)
25 - Herrera: 85 - / - 85 (4 subs, 1 goal)
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Re: English Championship 106 - Transfer/Gossip thread
For the past few weeks, we've had these people on the thread ruining the banter. If you look back to say page 330 at random, you can see that with it being the end of season, people were writing really well thought out posts on end of season reviews, player of the season etc. Then these people come along (MOST OF THEM NOT EVEN MANAGERS IN THE SETUP) and start ruining it for everyone. With the Mr Chelsea and 'EC106' saga's , it was ok as they were just forumers out to ruin the reputaton of the setup, but then Mr Manager actually got a team (with what I am 99.9% sure was a hacked account) which made things much worse. He makes out that we bullied him out of the setup, but when people in the setup doubted he was genuine, and just asked simple questions to see who he was, then he flipped and started abusing managers like Turna and Tom Field. Now whenever a manager joins the league and forum (genuine or not) everyone is thinking its a cheat, and thats not right. Id like to apologise on behalf of the setup to mistermalcolm, who some people thought was Mr Manager returning. About a month or two ago, I really enjoyed the setup, now, I just dont see why I should keep it open if its going to be spoilt by these people. Im sorry to the 50 or so genuine managers in the setup, but its just becoming too much trouble, after all, it is a game.
Sorry that that was a big read.