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Here you have some u-21 players with minutes in these 2 leagues. Can anybody give the predictions approximately?

Thank you in advance.

Argentina (max 1700 min):

Tagliafico 78 (Def, 1300 min, 15 matches, 0 goals)

Fissore 78 (Mid, 1500 min, 17 matches, 0 goals)

P. Bruna 75 (Mid, 1200 min, 16 matches, 0 goals)

N. Aguirre 77 (Mid, 1100 min, 16 matches, 0 goals)

Ecuador (max 3960 min):

Marcos Caicedo 78 (Def, 1400 min, 26 matches, 2 goals)

Gaibor 78 (Mid, 2900 min, 35 matches, 4 goals)

Marlon Ganchozo 78 (Mid, 1900 min, 31 matches, 2 goals)

Pedro Velasco 77 (Mid, 2800 min, 34 matches, 1 goal)

Fidel Martínez 80 (Mid, 2300 min, 30 matches, 9 goals)

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Re: Argentina and Ecuador under 21 players with minutes

Marcos Caicedo 78 (Fwd, 1400 min, 26 matches, 2 goals) --> 81

**Gaibor 78 (Mid, 2900 min, 35 matches, 4 goals) --> 82/83

Marlon Ganchozo 78 (Mid, 1900 min, 31 matches, 2 goals) --> 81

***Pedro Velasco 77 (Mid, 2800 min, 34 matches, 1 goal) --> 82/83

Fidel Martínez 80 (Mid, 2300 min, 30 matches, 9 goals) --> 83

*Juan Govea 75 (Fwd, 2802 min, 37 matches, 12 goals) --> 81/82

**Marcos Lopez 77 (Mid, 3900 min, 44 matches, 3 goals) --> 82/83

Juan Anangono 74 (Fwd, 3506 min, 45 matches, 22 goals) --> 81/82/83

I consider bold ones as decent talents.

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Marcos Caicedo 78 (Fwd' date=' 1400 min, 26 matches, 2 goals) --> 81

[b']**Gaibor 78 (Mid, 2900 min, 35 matches, 4 goals) --> 82/83[/b]

Marlon Ganchozo 78 (Mid, 1900 min, 31 matches, 2 goals) --> 81

***Pedro Velasco 77 (Mid, 2800 min, 34 matches, 1 goal) --> 82/83

Fidel Martínez 80 (Mid, 2300 min, 30 matches, 9 goals) --> 83

*Juan Govea 75 (Fwd, 2802 min, 37 matches, 12 goals) --> 81/82

**Marcos Lopez 77 (Mid, 3900 min, 44 matches, 3 goals) --> 82/83

Juan Anangono 74 (Fwd, 3506 min, 45 matches, 22 goals) --> 81/82/83

I consider bold ones as decent talents.

Thank you very much mate, very useful, that's the help I need.

Can anyone else give the agentinian predictions? I know that 3 of them are "predicted" in the other thread, but those are poor predictions and I want to "check" other opinions. Thank you :)

Argentina (max 1700 min):

Tagliafico 78 (Def, 1300 min, 15 matches, 0 goals)

Fissore 78 (Mid, 1500 min, 17 matches, 0 goals)

P. Bruna 75 (Mid, 1200 min, 16 matches, 0 goals)

N. Aguirre 77 (Mid, 1100 min, 16 matches, 0 goals)

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Re: Argentina and Ecuador under 21 players with minutes

No' date=' there isn't any big risers in my opinion, that's why I didn't make predictions for your suggested players. All are +2/+3 risers, not more.[/quote']

I agreed fully with Can, the rises will only be 2/3..look back at other similiar strength leagues in south america like colombia...many players 77/78 only got to 80, even with plenty of minutes.

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Here you have some u-21 players with minutes in these 2 leagues. Can anybody give the predictions approximately?

Thank you in advance.

Argentina (max 1700 min):

Tagliafico 78 (Def' date=' 1300 min, 15 matches, 0 goals)80

Fissore 78 (Mid, 1500 min, 17 matches, 0 goals)80

P. Bruna 75 (Mid, 1200 min, 16 matches, 0 goals)78

N. Aguirre 77 (Mid, 1100 min, 16 matches, 0 goals)80

Ecuador (max 3960 min):

Marcos Caicedo 78 (Def, 1400 min, 26 matches, 2 goals)80

Gaibor 78 (Mid, 2900 min, 35 matches, 4 goals)80

Marlon Ganchozo 78 (Mid, 1900 min, 31 matches, 2 goals)80

Pedro Velasco 77 (Mid, 2800 min, 34 matches, 1 goal)80

Fidel Martínez 80 (Mid, 2300 min, 30 matches, 9 goals)82

my predictions...think in context of the league..they are poor quality in comparison to brazil. colombia was reviewed not long ago and many players similiar in minutes/first team starters only hit 80 from 77/78.

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Re: Argentina and Ecuador under 21 players with minutes

my predictions...think in context of the league..they are poor quality in comparison to brazil. colombia was reviewed not long ago and many players similiar in minutes/first team starters only hit 80 from 77/78.

Well of course, they are poor quality compared to Brazil, however for example there is more than 10 players 83+ playing for Emelec. Gaibor was a number one choice ahead of them last season and because of it I think he will get at least a 82. I considered players' teams' situation in the league also, for example Velasco was the player who got most minutes in champions Deportivo Quito and I think a 77 to 83 is possible for him, even the quality of league isn't near Brazil. For example Soutto or Duarte of Atletico MG rose to 83, despite that Mineiro didn't pass their best season. And I'm sure if Velasco had been played for Corinthians and had had the same stats, he would rise to 84/85. And also I'm optimistic because SM doesn't review frequently these leagues, and because of it they tend to be more generous.

I couldn't find when SM reviewed Ecuador, but instead of it I think we can make a comparison for a player played in Uruguay: Jorge Cordoba. He scored 6 goals in 1436 minutes (7th in team) for River Plate (URU) in 2009/2010 season, which finished 5th. And SM gave him a +7, 17 April 2010. I think there isn't much difference between Ecuador and Uruguay. So I believe that we can expect some +5/+6 for these players.

After all, these are all suppositions, we'll wait and see :) But surely, in competitive GW's, these young Ecuadorians deserve our money, as usually we can get them without competition.

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Re: Argentina and Ecuador under 21 players with minutes

please tell me what do you think, this is my first predictions on SM:

Argentina:

Name Age rating Club

AGUIRRE, Nicolás 22 77 -> 82,0 Arsenal de Sarandi

FERREYRA, Facundo 21 80 -> 83,5 Banfield

TAGLIAFICO, Nicolás 19 78 -> 80,0 Banfield

VAZQUEZ, Franco 23 78 -> 83,0 Belgrano

ARAUJO, Sergio 20 77 -> 78,5 Boca Juniors

COLAZO, Nicolás 22 80 -> 81,5 Boca Juniors

IZQUIERDOZ, Carlos 23 80 -> 83,0 Lánus

OCAMPOS, Lucas 18 75 -> 82,5 River Plate

CIRIGLIANO, Ezequiel 20 75 -> 83,0 River Plate

CHICHIZOLA, Leandro 22 75 -> 83,0 River Plate

CANTEROS, Héctor 23 80 -> 83,5 Velez

Ecuador:

Name Age rating Club

LOPEZ, Marcos 19 77 -> 84,0 Deportivo Cuenca

VELASCO, Pedro 19 77 -> 83,0 Deportivo Quito

MENDEZ, Deison 21 75 -> 80,0 Deportivo Quito

FAJARDO, Fernando 25 75 -> 80,0 Deportivo Quito

PAREDES, Juan Carlos 25 80 -> 84,0 Deportivo Quito

MARTINEZ, Fidel 22 80 -> 83,0 Deportivo Quito

GAIBOR, Fernando 20 78 -> 83,0 Emelec

UCHUARI, Jonny 18 75 -> 82,0 LDU de Loja

FERAUD, Carlos 21 77 -> 83,0 LDU de Loja

GANCHOZO, Marlon 21 78 -> 82,0 Liga Quito

GOVEA, Juan 21 75 -> 84,0 Nacional

ANANGONO, Juan 23 74 -> 83,0 Nacional

CAICEDO, Flavio 23 74 -> 82,0 Nacional

MADRID, Jose 24 77 -> 82,0 Nacional

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Re: Argentina and Ecuador under 21 players with minutes

people overrating ecuador..

UCHUARI, Jonny 18 75 -> 82,0 LDU de Loja

FERAUD, Carlos 21 77 -> 83,0 LDU de Loja

both only got either +1 or +2 today...

folks, ecuador is a poor league, rises are going to be minor..

look at the players ratings who dropped today, there are some -6 & -8's !!

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Re: Argentina and Ecuador under 21 players with minutes

people overrating ecuador..

both only got either +1 or +2 today...

folks' date=' ecuador is a poor league, rises are going to be minor..

look at the players ratings who dropped today, there are some -6 & -8's !![/quote']

You're right, by those exemples SM is going to be harsh on this revision. Althougth it is absurde: Feraud is the most minute player on the team where there is a lot of 80-82's. He only got +1 to 78??!!??

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Re: Argentina and Ecuador under 21 players with minutes

You're right' date=' by those exemples SM is going to be harsh on this revision. Althougth it is absurde: Feraud is the most minute player on the team where there is a lot of 80-82's. He only got +1 to 78??!!??[/quote']

I don't understand.

Geovanny Cumbicus (LDU Loja, 34yo, 2060 mins & 2 goals in 2011) got added at 78.

Carlos Feraud (LDU Loja, 21 yo, 3597 mins & 9 goals in 2011) only +1 to 78. :(

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I don't understand.

Geovanny Cumbicus (LDU Loja' date=' 34yo, 2060 mins & 2 goals in 2011) got added at 78.

Carlos Feraud (LDU Loja, 21 yo, 3597 mins & 9 goals in 2011) only +1 to 78. :([/quote']

yeah. something is telling me there is a rookie reviewing this changes

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Re: Argentina and Ecuador under 21 players with minutes

Ecuador ratings are very inconsistent....

I agree.

Josè Ayovi, from Independiente Josè Teran, played 39 games last season, starting 26 of them, and scoring 7 goals (playing as a midfielder). The result? He got a +2 and he's now rated 79. This is simply ridicolous, especially for a league that is reviewed once a year. The rating does not reflect the real strength of the player at all. Either they should give more realistic ratings or review these leagues more often. I can't stand this nonsense.

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Re: Argentina and Ecuador under 21 players with minutes

Something is not right.

I would understand if they just rated Ecuador as a very poor league, giving really low rating to everybody, but this is not the case.

Again about Marcos Lopez: 44 appearances as a starter, 3906 min., 3 goals, +1 to 78. It could make sense for a very low-profile league.

But then I found: John Narvaez, same team, 2 years older, 8 appearances as a starter, 4 as a sub, 788 min., 0 goals, +2 to 78.

The most important player of the team and an occasional sub got the same rating :confused:.

+1 for 3906 min. and +2 for 788 in the same team :confused:.

There must be some kind of mistake.

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I agree.

Josè Ayovi' date=' from Independiente Josè Teran, played 39 games last season, starting 26 of them, and scoring 7 goals (playing as a midfielder). The result? He got a +2 and he's now rated 79. This is simply ridicolous, especially for a league that is reviewed once a year. The rating does not reflect the real strength of the player at all. Either they should give more realistic ratings or [b']review these leagues more often[/b]. I can't stand this nonsense.

if only. nothing winds me up more thanthis when taking over a low low club, the kind of challenge i enjoy the most as im sure so many others do.

obviously you have little money so you can only sign low cost players. you can literally wait over a year, completely hamstrung waiting for an update. i think the premiership has been updated 4 times in the same space of time league 1 & 2 have been done once

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Juan Govea just got a +7.

Ecuador ratings are very inconsistent....

Govea is a player of NT, very decent striker...

Yes, Ecuador is a poor league, but there are 4-5 teams (El Nacional, Liga de Quito, Emelec, Deportivo Quito, Barcelona) better than teams of Colombia and Paraguay, for example...

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Re: Argentina and Ecuador under 21 players with minutes

Something is not right.

I would understand if they just rated Ecuador as a very poor league' date=' giving really low rating to everybody, but this is not the case.

Again about Marcos Lopez: 44 appearances as a starter, 3906 min., 3 goals, +1 to 78. It could make sense for a very low-profile league.

But then I found: John Narvaez, same team, 2 years older, 8 appearances as a starter, 4 as a sub, 788 min., 0 goals, +2 to 78.

The most important player of the team and an occasional sub got the same rating :confused:.

+1 for 3906 min. and +2 for 788 in the same team :confused:.

There must be some kind of mistake.[/quote']

Cant we report these arguments to SM?

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