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Philosophy is essentially thought' date=' therefor it came first, not?[/color']

not-its a bunch of who ha .. Thought took place when multicellular organisms evolved. Philosophers just jumped on a bandwagon (Freud, Jung, Maslow) to legitimize their work by association with psychiatry etc and claiming it has some intrinsic value..

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not-its a bunch of who ha .. Thought took place when multicellular organisms evolved. Philosophers just jumped on a bandwagon (Freud' date=' Jung, Maslow) to legitimize their work by association with psychiatry etc and claiming it has some intrinsic value..[/quote']

Well it is the basis of all things, you have to philosophize something in order to create it, or we will never evolve, we will never create new things that havent been created before. Philosophy helps you think differently and creatively. i find it interesting.

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Well it is the basis of all things' date=' you have to philosophize something in order to create it, or we will never evolve, we will never create new things that havent been created before. Philosophy helps you think differently and creatively. i find it interesting.

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The basis of all things is the matter-energy relationship

Not true-Creation is really the use of what we have (concrete) and then build from that due to a stimulus -usually adversity.

Most people pass gas -does that mean we need specialist in passing of gases?

Philosophy is just categorization of ideas and ways of thinking-glorified librarian- and has little place in the development of mankind.:)

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The basis of all things is the matter-energy relationship

Not true-Creation is really the use of what we have (concrete) and then build from that due to a stimulus -usually adversity.

Most people pass gas -does that mean we need specialist in passing of gases?

Philosophy is just categorization of ideas and ways of thinking-glorified librarian- and has little place in the development of mankind.:)

e=mc squared. Is a philosophy' date=' its Einsteins theory of matter. emphasis on theory ie a philosophy of his as to what we as human exist of.

In order to create you have to philosophize about WHAT to create.[/color']

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e=mc squared. Is a philosophy' date=' its Einsteins theory of matter. emphasis on theory ie a philosophy of his as to what we as human exist of.

In order to create you have to philosophize about WHAT to create.[/color']

Nope it's not it's mathematical relationship between energy and matter -and philosophers want to lay their claws into it to gain some legitimacy.

Sounds like Chief Sitting Bull there mate..No you don't you look at the problem and solve it with the stuff you have available. Philosophers deal in what ifs, and dwell on problems not on solutions like allegories etc.

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Einstein wasn't a philosopher' date=' he was a scientist ... interesting fact about him is that he flunked in maths in school :P[/quote']

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In 1935, a rabbi in Princeton showed him a clipping of the Ripley's column with the headline "Greatest living mathematician failed in mathematics." Einstein laughed. "I never failed in mathematics," he replied, correctly. "Before I was fifteen I had mastered differential and integral calculus." In primary school, he was at the top of his class and "far above the school requirements" in math. By age 12, his sister recalled, "he already had a predilection for solving complicated problems in applied arithmetic," and he decided to see if he could jump ahead by learning geometry and algebra on his own.

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1936731_1936743_1936758,00.html

Just a bunch of Bull invented to give students hope...

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Einstein wasn't a philosopher' date=' he was a scientist ... interesting fact about him is that he flunked in maths in school :P[/quote']

Everyone is a philosopher are they not? if you arent then you are mentally challenged.

Nope it's not it's mathematical relationship between energy and matter -and philosophers want to lay their claws into it to gain some legitimacy.

Sounds like Chief Sitting Bull there mate..No you don't you look at the problem and solve it with the stuff you have available. Philosophers deal in what ifs' date=' and dwell on problems not on solutions like allegories etc.[/quote']

e=mc squared is the mathematical relationship is it not? (energy equals mass multiplied by speed of light squared).

Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with reality, existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.[1][2] Philosophy is distinguished from other ways of addressing such problems by its critical, generally systematic approach and its reliance on rational argument.

With out philosophical thought, how can one be logic and systematically solve problems?

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Everyone is a philosopher are they not? if you arent then you are mentally challenged.

e=mc squared is the mathematical relationship is it not? (energy equals mass multiplied by speed of light squared).

With out philosophical thought' date=' how can one be logic and systematically solve problems?[/color']

Cmon Dunc you can come up with better arguments than that bro :)

Sorry spurious argument there-you can explain the importance of something by saying everyone is or else you are incapacitated.

Philosophy clings to the cloak of legitimate science -note how many were scientists-as a reason for being.

Philosophy is the love of wisdom itself-an old man's plaything when he has nothing left but dreams, hopes and memories of the past.

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Also l don't believe the fact that he didn't speak till the age of 4-5... and guess what was his first sentence... 'The soop is too hot' - sad Einstein to his parents.

lol..yeah sounds like a bit of sop to make us lesser mortals feel better-like Kris Kringle :)

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Cmon Dunc you can come up with better arguments than that bro :)

Sorry spurious argument there-you can explain the importance of something by saying everyone is or else you are incapacitated.

Philosophy clings to the cloak of legitimate science -note how many were scientists-as a reason for being.

Philosophy is the love of wisdom itself-an old man's plaything when he has nothing left but dreams' date=' hopes and memories of the past.[/quote']

Well it is fact that Philosophy founded Math and Science. but in modern times it has fallen to the wayside.

I just fell it is a very important subject to teach people. teaches people how to think to for themselves. All the other subjects dont really teach this, most are just how to regurgitate memories.

The subject itself is about ifs and what ifs, yes i do agree, but the way of thinking is essential, and most people dont even realize they think this way.

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Well it is fact that Philosophy founded Math and Science. but in modern times it has fallen to the wayside.

I just fell it is a very important subject to teach people. teaches people how to think to for themselves. All the other subjects dont really teach this' date=' most are just how to regurgitate memories.

The subject itself is about ifs and what ifs, yes i do agree, but the way of thinking is essential, and most people dont even realize they think this way.[/color']

Seriously? Wheres the fact-is their hieroglyphic writings to that effect, or maybe Sanskrit from the Indus valley or even oral traditions of the Incas..Sorry bro, just by stating it does,is not good enough-and lets be honest, tools are the earliest archeological finds not ideas.

It is important to teach people about logic and morality I agree-but not divorced from the reality of science/math etc. Otherwise you just have wisdom for wisdom sake and you can analyze until you become paralyze.

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Seriously? Wheres the fact-is their hieroglyphic writings to that effect' date=' or maybe Sanskrit from the Indus valley or even oral traditions of the Incas..Sorry bro, just by stating it does,is not good enough-and lets be honest, tools are the earliest archeological finds not ideas.

[b']It is important to teach people about logic and morality I agree-but not divorced from the reality of science/math etc. Otherwise you just have wisdom for wisdom sake and you can analyze until you become paralyze.[/b]

Not sure if you are understanding what im saying or if im saying it right.

Do you really think Maths and Science came before philosophy?

Agree 100% to the bolded, as this is what im a looking at studying, they go hand in hand, and philosophy will help you with all subjects you study, and make you understand them much easier.

Most of Science is theoretical anyways, ie ideas that have been philosophized by scientist to explain things that have yet to be explained or proven.

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Not sure if you are understanding what im saying or if im saying it right.

Do you really think Maths and Science came before philosophy?

Agree 100% to the bolded' date=' as this is what im a looking at studying, they go hand in hand, and philosophy will help you with all subjects you study, and make you understand them much easier.

[b']Most of Science is theoretical anyways,[/b] ie ideas that have been philosophized by scientist to explain things that have yet to be explained or proven.

Yup-or at least the philosophy as bandied about today..

Heard the bold part stated quite often-can't find any facts to back that up. Science is not borne on the back of philosophy -instead its like a road and philosophy is the lads who fill in the one or two potholes.

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Not sure if you are understanding what im saying or if im saying it right.

Do you really think Maths and Science came before philosophy?

Agree 100% to the bolded' date=' as this is what im a looking at studying, they go hand in hand, and philosophy will help you with all subjects you study, and make you understand them much easier.

Most of Science is theoretical anyways, ie ideas that have been philosophized by scientist to explain things that have yet to be explained or proven.[/color']

I'd argue that politics precedes all but never mind that.

I'm curious though -- in what ways does philosophy help you personally? People say it helps you think more logically, but I just never got much out of it. Perhaps I already thought about things logically?

If someone could elaborate on that, it would be appreciated.

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A word on practicality and philosophy

Philosophy - "over-analysis on things that don't matter"

Being practical - "sometimes the most direct way is the surest way to NOT reaching your goal"

Life is about balancing the two. :)

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A word on practicality and philosophy

Philosophy - "over-analysis on things that don't matter"

Being practical - "sometimes the most direct way is the surest way to NOT reaching your goal"

Life is about balancing the two. :)

True' date=' anyways im going to sleep, cheers Arampage and Safir ill pick up tomorrow afternoon

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Thankfully, I took Intro to Women’s Studies during January of my first year and before I knew it I was theorizing. I found studying philosophy as an undergraduate useful because learning how to read and comprehend theory was an integral foundation of my education. In my philosophy classes I learned to think critically; and I learned a language that allowed me to delve deeper into thoughts and questions. This language helped me to write papers as well as articulate my thoughts during late night conversations in Wahlstrom.

https://gustavus.edu/philosophy/answers.php

Here's something I grabbed from a website. Can someone elaborate on the benefits of philosophy beyond whatever was stated above?

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True' date=' anyways im going to sleep, cheers Arampage and Safir ill pick up tomorrow afternoon

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yeah lad-have a good one

https://gustavus.edu/philosophy/answers.php

Here's something I grabbed from a website. Can someone elaborate on the benefits of philosophy beyond whatever was stated above?

lol..wrong person-and lets face it at least it teaches you big, important sounding words, helps you to practice penmanship and oratory..

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yeah lad-have a good one

lol..wrong person-and lets face it at least it teaches you big' date=' important sounding words, helps you to practice penmanship and oratory..[/quote']

But for some reason, philosophy majors are some of the highest earners...along with math, economics, and biology (because of pre-med).

They're onto something.

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yeah lad-have a good one

lol..wrong person-and lets face it at least it teaches you big' date=' important sounding words, helps you to practice penmanship and oratory..[/quote']

PS. I'm thinking philosophy is good at teaching those still in the process of developing their independent thinking the first steps on their path.

At the end of the day, it's pretty empty by itself -- but combined with something of substance, it can turn out to be pretty useful.

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