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£100m is absurd. Prices are crazy.

 

Prices are crazy now, the knock on effect of T.V money I guess.

 

Is there anyone you would rather see come in or think might be better value than Pogba?

 

Ani made a pretty valid point in Verratti i think, in terms of skill to value.

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Verratti and Alaba are the obvious calls, as they match Pogba for age, yet are better and most probably cheaper.

 

Given time, I expect Fosu-Mensah to be a regular in midfield, as he's basically got all the attributes to be a box-to-box midfielder.

 

However, if United do sign someone like Pogba, the likelihood of Fosu featuring in midfield will drastically reduce.

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Going through the posts here, interesting debate.

 

The fee is certainly exorbitant but it's a better investment than Higuain, to put in perspective. I don't care about the money (should I?), I don't like how much is being spent but it's tough to find value in this inflated market so I can't be bothered. I feel Pogba will add a lot to our midfield and this signing puts us in the driving seat for the title. So it's fine. As long as the club are financially unimpacted by this deal (which they won't- the % of the fee against annual turnover shows the Pogba deal is lesser than the Ferdinand deal), I don't care.

 

I'm not bothered to look at the stats/lists of best midfielders/players either, as I feel it's useless debating such subjective matters. Though if you consider Guardado and Enzo Perez as better options that's just LOL.

 

Stats can make the person who uses them as an argument foolish at times which is why I don't like to rely on it. 

 

I'm also getting annoyed by how stretched the deal is getting and Raiola/Pogba/Adidas teasing us with 'Blah Blah Blah' ads. Makes me think it's all been staged, and the transfer may have been in place for weeks. Can't wait to see him in the shirt.

 

The new United kits (red and white) look great too. 

 

I wouldn't mind Verratti over Pogba, but he wouldn't move, and he's not the shirt-seller Utd want. 

 

Now, as for the rumoured cull of players:

1. Schweinsteiger- would be disappointed to see him leave, but it's understandable, he never really fit into the English game (which isn't unexpected). Legend and hope he can find a club where the expectations are lesser.

2. Januzaj- needs a loan (to Sunderland?) to restart his stalled career, and likely to get it too. Chance of gametime at Utd slim and this season is decisive for his long-term future at the club.

3. Andreas- I love this guy and hope he gets loaned out to a club where he'll develop well. Want him to have a great career at Utd. 

4. Wilson- similar to Januzaj

5. Borthwick-Jackson- wouldn't mind him as back-up LB, but his fate is likely dependant on Rojo. Loan wouldn't be bad either.

6. McNair- a permanent departure would be a shame, but he's not good enough to play at Utd- I'd prefer to loan him out to a club where he'll be a CDM. Or maybe put in a buy-back clause (unlikely).

7. Keane and Blackett- time to go. 

 

Rumours of Fosu-Mensah leaving are worrying, he's a great talent. Hope it's all false. 

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I'll give you another Stat, Glenn Whelan Recovered the ball more than Pogba did last season.

 

Like I said Pogba has the all round game, maybe his defence side is lower than most CDM's but Whelen can't match Pogba goals, assists, successful runs, aerial duels etc

 

Prices are crazy now, the knock on effect of T.V money I guess.

 

Is there anyone you would rather see come in or think might be better value than Pogba?

 

Ani made a pretty valid point in Verratti i think, in terms of skill to value.

 

It's not the effect of TV rights, its club/player/agent power nowadays and the Pogba deal is down to Club/Agent power

Club Power nowadays wants to keep top stars or sell them for a crazy high price, I named so many

Verratti is like on par with Pogba but not many top stars will transfer out of PSG unless Madrid or Barce come calling or they aren't getting played, Pogba is more marketable than Verratti. Also Verratti has had an injury hit season, who says that won't carry on into this season coming.

 

Verratti and Alaba are the obvious calls, as they match Pogba for age, yet are better and most probably cheaper.

 

Given time, I expect Fosu-Mensah to be a regular in midfield, as he's basically got all the attributes to be a box-to-box midfielder.

 

However, if United do sign someone like Pogba, the likelihood of Fosu featuring in midfield will drastically reduce.

Psg and Bayern will never sell Verratti and Alaba to England league

Not sure on Fosu-Mensah plans under Mourinho

 

I'm also getting annoyed by how stretched the deal is getting and Raiola/Pogba/Adidas teasing us with 'Blah Blah Blah' ads. Makes me think it's all been staged, and the transfer may have been in place for weeks. Can't wait to see him in the shirt.

 

Now, as for the rumoured cull of players:

1. Schweinsteiger- would be disappointed to see him leave, but it's understandable, he never really fit into the English game (which isn't unexpected). Legend and hope he can find a club where the expectations are lesser.

2. Januzaj- needs a loan (to Sunderland?) to restart his stalled career, and likely to get it too. Chance of gametime at Utd slim and this season is decisive for his long-term future at the club.

3. Andreas- I love this guy and hope he gets loaned out to a club where he'll develop well. Want him to have a great career at Utd. 

4. Wilson- similar to Januzaj

5. Borthwick-Jackson- wouldn't mind him as back-up LB, but his fate is likely dependant on Rojo. Loan wouldn't be bad either.

6. McNair- a permanent departure would be a shame, but he's not good enough to play at Utd- I'd prefer to loan him out to a club where he'll be a CDM. Or maybe put in a buy-back clause (unlikely).

7. Keane and Blackett- time to go. 

 

Rumours of Fosu-Mensah leaving are worrying, he's a great talent. Hope it's all false. 

 

Pogba deal is boring to listen to everyday, Never listen to Raiola as he talks rubbish

I thought this summer transfer saga that would drag on would be Ibrahimovic - but credit to Mourinho for doing business early ish, unlike Arsenal, City and kinda Chelsea still looking for players

 

1. Schweinsteiger needs to go, LVG gamble that didn't pay off, plus his high wages would be off

3. Pereira - He got the Olympics soon then prob Loan, he needs more game time

5, According to Skysports, Rojo is on of the players staying - what does Mourinho see in him?

 

Also Missed out on rumour of Fellaini/Moyes again(hoping everyday to see it happen) but not heard nothing about Fosu-Mensah

Fabinho is link with United again and Gabriel Jesus is moving but hasn't named where

 

Man United vs Galatarasay today a 5:30(England time) on MUTV - 1st time to see Ibra play

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Like I said Pogba has the all round game, maybe his defence side is lower than most CDM's but Whelen can't match Pogba goals, assists, successful runs, aerial duels etc

 

 

It's not the effect of TV rights, its club/player/agent power nowadays and the Pogba deal is down to Club/Agent power

Club Power nowadays wants to keep top stars or sell them for a crazy high price, I named so many

Verratti is like on par with Pogba but not many top stars will transfer out of PSG unless Madrid or Barce come calling or they aren't getting played, Pogba is more marketable than Verratti. Also Verratti has had an injury hit season, who says that won't carry on into this season coming.

 

Psg and Bayern will never sell Verratti and Alaba to England league

Not sure on Fosu-Mensah plans under Mourinho

 

 

Pogba deal is boring to listen to everyday, Never listen to Raiola as he talks rubbish

I thought this summer transfer saga that would drag on would be Ibrahimovic - but credit to Mourinho for doing business early ish, unlike Arsenal, City and kinda Chelsea still looking for players

 

1. Schweinsteiger needs to go, LVG gamble that didn't pay off, plus his high wages would be off

3. Pereira - He got the Olympics soon then prob Loan, he needs more game time

5, According to Skysports, Rojo is on of the players staying - what does Mourinho see in him?

 

Also Missed out on rumour of Fellaini/Moyes again(hoping everyday to see it happen) but not heard nothing about Fosu-Mensah

Fabinho is link with United again and Gabriel Jesus is moving but hasn't named where

 

Man United vs Galatarasay today a 5:30(England time) on MUTV - 1st time to see Ibra play

 

An all round midfielder that is poor defensively?! Not sure how that works LOL

 

I was using examples of how stats can be made to manipulate a debate, unless you really know what you're talking about they are a pointless reference tool.

 

If you don't think that the T.V money has contributed to the rise in prices you are deluded.

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Verratti and Alaba are the obvious calls, as they match Pogba for age, yet are better and most probably cheaper.

I don't understand how anyone could suggest Verratti or Alaba as a viable option for United?

I would not prefer Alaba to Pogba as Pogba is the "specialist" Mourinho wants. Alaba's versatility would see him being used as Jack of all trades.

As for Verratti he's a terrific player but he's never going to leave PSG as they would flat out refuse to sell him. Finally and I hate to say it but he's 5ft 5. I cannot think of a single midfielder that short that has succeeded in the PL. In a midfield three surrounded by height he could cope but you'd need Veratti and Pogba for that to work.

Pogba is a much better fit for United's needs and even if he flopped he would still have been the better choice as he fits the profile we need.

What you're also missing is that Veratti and Alaba do not have half as much appeal from a marketing perspective so we would be less likely to recoup a fee from them.

Essentially if you wanted to sign all three that's a great mix of players but Veratti in isolation or Alaba in isolation I feel won't be what United need.

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An all round midfielder that is poor defensively?! Not sure how that works LOL

 

I was using examples of how stats can be made to manipulate a debate, unless you really know what you're talking about they are a pointless reference tool.

 

If you don't think that the T.V money has contributed to the rise in prices you are deluded.

 

I am trying to say Pogba is an all round midfielder but compared to CDM players like Kante or Krychowiak, you can see they have higher Def stats to Pogba but Pogba is still up their Def wise, he does contribute in that area

 

Pogba compared to United Mid Last season(ik Unfair as United were awful) - Rooney, Mata, Carrick, Schneiderlain, Herrera, Fellaini

Pogba equals Rooney on Goals, Pogba out beats United whole Mid on Aerial duels, Pogba has double the assists, Pogba level on Pass completion, Only Schneiderlain out beats him on interceptions

 

All the Commentators, Henry, Carragher, Neville, Scholes etc for the last 3 years kept saying about United - when you lined up in the tunnel vs United, you see 5/6 potential match winners but with this side you don't. If United get Pogba, it like another potential match winner to go with Rooney, Ibra, Mkhitaryan, Martial, Rashford

 

T.V money hasn't contributed to this crazy money, Its Clubs Power and Player Power(at times)

Clubs are getting smart and playing hard ball with any of their stars as they want to keep and have no reason to sell. Just look at the Stones situation atm, Everton know City needs Defenders, need more English players, Pep stupidly made it public so they can stand firm for £50mil. It happened to Higuaín, Sterling, Pogba(maybe) Lacazzette, even Kante

This is why Arsenal are stuggling and Spurs and Liverpool buying players unknowns

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All the Commentators, Henry, Carragher, Neville, Scholes etc for the last 3 years kept saying about United - when you lined up in the tunnel vs United, you see 5/6 potential match winners but with this side you don't. If United get Pogba, it like another potential match winner to go with Rooney, Ibra, Mkhitaryan, Martial, Rashford

T.V money hasn't contributed to this crazy money, Its Clubs Power and Player Power(at times)

Clubs are getting smart and playing hard ball with any of their stars as they want to keep and have no reason to sell. Just look at the Stones situation atm, Everton know City needs Defenders, need more English players, Pep stupidly made it public so they can stand firm for £50mil. It happened to Higuaín, Sterling, Pogba(maybe) Lacazzette, even Kante

This is why Arsenal are stuggling and Spurs and Liverpool buying players unknowns

I think the first part I've quoted from you is a very valid argument as to why someone like Pogba is much preferred to any of the other midfielders that have moved this window. You look at Pogba and think there is a player who can make something happen and cause problems.

Last season I would argue Shaw, Martial and Rashford were the only ones during the season teams were concerned about. Going into next season you now have those 3 plus Ibra, Mkhitaryan, Rooney under Mourinho and now Pogba. Instantly those names instill a bit more fear in other sides and helps take pressure off the individual as they can look around and see quality that can make the difference.

The last time we had this kind of attacking threat was Rooney, Ronaldo, Giggs, Tevez, Berbatov, Evra and Scholes. I'm not saying we're there yet, but we're certainly heading towards that direction rather than backwards.

I do however disagree with you on TV money. One of the reasons clubs like Everton can hold out for more money is the guaranteed income from licensing. More than knowing City need an English player or CB, Everton know that £50m isn't going to make or break them.

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I do however disagree with you on TV money. One of the reasons clubs like Everton can hold out for more money is the guaranteed income from licensing. More than knowing City need an English player or CB, Everton know that £50m isn't going to make or break them.

 

I disagree on TV rights and saying its Club/Player power now

 

Team vs Galatarasaray - De Gea, Valencia, Blind, Bailly, Shaw, Schneiderlain, Herrera, Mkhitaryan, Rooney, Martial, Ibra

 

I forgot about this until Mourinho mentioned it that Smalling misses the Leicester and Bournemouth game due to suspension

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I don't understand how anyone could suggest Verratti or Alaba as a viable option for United?

I would not prefer Alaba to Pogba as Pogba is the "specialist" Mourinho wants. Alaba's versatility would see him being used as Jack of all trades.

As for Verratti he's a terrific player but he's never going to leave PSG as they would flat out refuse to sell him. Finally and I hate to say it but he's 5ft 5. I cannot think of a single midfielder that short that has succeeded in the PL. In a midfield three surrounded by height he could cope but you'd need Veratti and Pogba for that to work.

Pogba is a much better fit for United's needs and even if he flopped he would still have been the better choice as he fits the profile we need.

What you're also missing is that Veratti and Alaba do not have half as much appeal from a marketing perspective so we would be less likely to recoup a fee from them.

Essentially if you wanted to sign all three that's a great mix of players but Veratti in isolation or Alaba in isolation I feel won't be what United need.

 

 

Is this "specialist" by any chance defensively inept, offensively mediocre and generally overpriced?

 

Alaba is superior in every aspect of his game, from his defensive work (which would be self-explanatory as he is predominantly a defender) to his creative input, which sees him play out of defence so often. It is one of the main reasons as to why Bayern are able to play with that one defender less. Play him in a holding midfield role and he'll basically clean up everything in front of the defence, whilst carrying the ball forward in an attacking play.

 

As for Verratti, he is basically Gattuso and Pirlo combined - the closest player United can get to Roy Keane, who in my opinion was the greatest United midfielder in the Premier League era (not counting Robson as he only spent three years in the Premier League). Moreover, the reason as to why you'd assume PSG wouldn't sell him is because no one has bid for him yet. I'm not so sure they'd be able to hold on to him if a 60-80M offer came knocking.

 

And as mentioned previously, I don't give a monkeys about marketing, as it does not affect me one bit. I want trophies, not prima donna's. Even so, Manchester United clearly do not need to save up and/or recoup money for this transfer. 

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Much better second half. Excellent stuff from Mata, Lingard and Rashford. Happy to see Fellaini do well as well.

 

United looked way more stable once the new signings were taken off, which is only natural I imagine. 

 

Excited to see Rashford and Ibrahimovic feature together; the latter definitely seemed to be impressed with the former.

 

EDIT: Three assists for Valencia as well - not bad considering the fact that his crossing is normally abysmal.

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I disagree on TV rights and saying its Club/Player power now

 

Team vs Galatarasaray - De Gea, Valencia, Blind, Bailly, Shaw, Schneiderlain, Herrera, Mkhitaryan, Rooney, Martial, Ibra

 

I forgot about this until Mourinho mentioned it that Smalling misses the Leicester and Bournemouth game due to suspension

 

So an extortionate amount of money comes flooding into the game and it has no effect of transfer values? Behave.

 

Ben is correct, teams are more capable of rising valuations as they have a greater income now thanks to the huge T.V payments. What once might have been a £10 million deal is now a £20-£30 million deal. Have a look at all the deals across the Premier League clubs and you will see that they are more inflated than you would expect, is this by coincidence?

 

Absolutely dismal. Rooney is a cyst.

 

Haha. I didn't see any of the game but saw the score line and that he bagged himself a brace, assumed he must have played pretty well. Take it that wasn't the case?

 

I think the first part I've quoted from you is a very valid argument as to why someone like Pogba is much preferred to any of the other midfielders that have moved this window. You look at Pogba and think there is a player who can make something happen and cause problems.

Last season I would argue Shaw, Martial and Rashford were the only ones during the season teams were concerned about. Going into next season you now have those 3 plus Ibra, Mkhitaryan, Rooney under Mourinho and now Pogba. Instantly those names instill a bit more fear in other sides and helps take pressure off the individual as they can look around and see quality that can make the difference.

The last time we had this kind of attacking threat was Rooney, Ronaldo, Giggs, Tevez, Berbatov, Evra and Scholes. I'm not saying we're there yet, but we're certainly heading towards that direction rather than backwards.

I do however disagree with you on TV money. One of the reasons clubs like Everton can hold out for more money is the guaranteed income from licensing. More than knowing City need an English player or CB, Everton know that £50m isn't going to make or break them.

 

My issues with the Pogba deal are not about how much money is being spent, pretty safe to say that Untied could pay 2 or 3 times the value and still be good financially. It is more that I feel it is money being spent on a luxury that is neither of the most important position to address nor the best in that particular position.

 

I know you've come up with the argument of who else is available and Pogba is the best that is available but surely every player has a price. As an example if you went to Real Madrid and offered £150 million for Kroos would they turn it down? Considering they were looking at a decent size clear out until they got the Champions League prize money I'm doubtful.

 

I know I'm an outsider looking in but I would have thought that a player to clean up in front of the back line, play the ball out from just in front of the back and a player that would unnerve the opposition in terms of physicality a la Ince/Keane/Butt is more of a priority than an attacking player. Something you have plenty of.

 

Who do United really have that can play that role at present? Schniederlin, Carrick and Blind?

 

I would say Blind is the best of the lot in that role but he isn't exactly a world beater, certainly not what £100+ million could buy you.

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So an extortionate amount of money comes flooding into the game and it has no effect of transfer values? Behave.

 

Ben is correct, teams are more capable of rising valuations as they have a greater income now thanks to the huge T.V payments. What once might have been a £10 million deal is now a £20-£30 million deal. Have a look at all the deals across the Premier League clubs and you will see that they are more inflated than you would expect, is this by coincidence?

 

My issues with the Pogba deal are not about how much money is being spent, pretty safe to say that Untied could pay 2 or 3 times the value and still be good financially. It is more that I feel it is money being spent on a luxury that is neither of the most important position to address nor the best in that particular position.

 

I know you've come up with the argument of who else is available and Pogba is the best that is available but surely every player has a price. As an example if you went to Real Madrid and offered £150 million for Kroos would they turn it down? Considering they were looking at a decent size clear out until they got the Champions League prize money I'm doubtful.

 

I know I'm an outsider looking in but I would have thought that a player to clean up in front of the back line, play the ball out from just in front of the back and a player that would unnerve the opposition in terms of physicality a la Ince/Keane/Butt is more of a priority than an attacking player. Something you have plenty of.

 

Who do United really have that can play that role at present? Schniederlin, Carrick and Blind?

 

I would say Blind is the best of the lot in that role but he isn't exactly a world beater, certainly not what £100+ million could buy you.

 

I still disagree with you and Ben on money factor. It club power, Club wants to keep their best player nowadays, I will keep arguing on it

Everton standing firm on 50mil, Sterling deal Liverpool stood firm on 50mil, Chelsea slapped 65mil on Courtios when Madrid came sniffing, Leicester could only milk out 35mil for Kante, Hull even standing firm over Robertson for 15mil, Lukaku, Mane, Pogba, Mkhitaryan, Renato Sanches, Gabreil Jesus(rumours are true)

Look at the Brazil league, once a star is born out their, they try and milk as much money over the transfer

 

you talk about Kroos and £150mil even know every player in Spain has a release clause, You want United to pay 50mil more on a player and why would he leave Madrid, why would Verratti leave PSG, why would Alaba leave Bayern?

Reason Pogba is he an ex player, fits the home grown rule which people forget, Mourinho factor?

Pogba could do what Toure has done for the last few years and be more active, Look how successful Toure was, no 1 could get the ball off him and was a powerhouse if he decided to move with the ball

 

Don't get me started on Blind or Schneiderlain yesterday showed why Blind shouldn't be in the team and Schneiderlain needs to be more alert

Yesterday game was like 2 different halves - maybe Mourinho half time talk woke them up

 

Zlatan goal was typical Zlatan and what he can bring

Galatarasay 1st goal, great delivery but some1 should of organised who marking who

Galatarasay 2nd goal, Schneiderlain let the goalscorer run off him and Blind should off came across(he did but too late) as Bailly was on the assist player

 

Rashford, Lingard had a hit moment, Rooney 2nd half was good, Fellaini(Valderrama) managed to score without climbing or using elbows

United was full of ideas and runs but picked the wrong option at times

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@Jamie, Rooney's first half was absolutely shocking - slow, lethargic and uninspiring attacking play. Second half was better, but still lot to wish for from a player who is on 250k/w. As bar his goal from open play and his involvement with the penalty goal, he really didn't do much.

 

Blind was actually one of the better players yesterday, though agreed that Schneiderlin was poor. It was in fact the full backs that let United down in the first half. Shaw was often on the wrong side of his winger, and Valencia was all over the place when Bruma came running towards him. The second goal could have been stopped by simply following the man, instead of trying to play a screen to slow down the attack.

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@Jamie, Rooney's first half was absolutely shocking - slow, lethargic and uninspiring attacking play. Second half was better, but still lot to wish for from a player who is on 250k/w. As bar his goal from open play and his involvement with the penalty goal, he really didn't do much.

 

Blind was actually one of the better players yesterday, though agreed that Schneiderlin was poor. It was in fact the full backs that let United down in the first half. Shaw was often on the wrong side of his winger, and Valencia was all over the place when Bruma came running towards him. The second goal could have been stopped by simply following the man, instead of trying to play a screen to slow down the attack.

 

What game were u seeing yesterday

Your Forgetting Rooney pass to set Rashford on a run where he got the penalty

Blind was useless, if it wasn't for Bailly at times using his power to clear the ball in the box, 1 time in the game Blind just let the forward spin him and thankfully he took a heavy touch which allowed Bailly to get

2nd goal was down to Schneiderlain, he should of followed the goalscorer and maybe Blind could of came accross

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