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That won't happen though' date=' we both know that :)

If you both wanted a world class player, City would offer quite a bit extra than Utd for the fee and City would also offer FAR more in wages.[/quote']

I'm unsure how many 'world class' players are actually signable as most play for Barca or are Cristiano Ronaldo and will probably never leave whilst on the top of their game.

Players like Ribery, Robben, Ibrahimovic who were maybe once considered world class would be more likely to join City than United because of the wages they could earn. However I'm unsure that they would be wanted at either club.

It will be interesting if United/City did go head-to-head over say Aguero or more likely Alexis Sanchez what decision the player would make. More wages and a club on the up with City or a club that has been consistently challenging for the top honours for 20-odd years with United.

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All over twitter and a load of arsenal forums.

Not getting my hopes up unless it's on Sky Sports or BBC or some other reliable source.

Really like the new home shirt, probably won't get it as it's not too dissimilar to this years. Will probably get the blue/black away/third kit which ever becomes real.

Off topic, anyone seen PSG's new away kit? I reckon it's the nicest kit ive seen in years.

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Not getting my hopes up unless it's on Sky Sports or BBC or some other reliable source.

Really like the new home shirt' date=' probably won't get it as it's not too dissimilar to this years. Will probably get the blue/black away/third kit which ever becomes real.

Off topic, anyone seen PSG's new away kit? I reckon it's the nicest kit ive seen in years.[/quote']

It's on skysports news as well, and twitter these days is realiable.

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Players like Ribery' date=' Robben, Ibrahimovic who were maybe once considered world class would be more likely to join City than United because of the wages they could earn. However I'm unsure that they would be wanted at either club.[/quote']

I'd still class all three of those players world class, maybe Ribery less so. Robben and Ibra are still top ten players for their position in my opinion.

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P.P.S I think Young will be a good signing if he signs.

What so if he doesn't sign then he's still mediocre? ;)

Youngs not great' date=' agreed.

But come on Stu, give up mate! If united and city both went for a player, say, modric, he'd sign for united if we offered enough. We both know that. Get back to the chity thread :)[/quote']

Not at all; Tevez is a case in point. City can offer double the wages, are also in the Champions League and are trying to build a league winning side (and doing it rather well looking at our progress this year). City are a very very desirable club to sign for at the minute.

On the Sanchez note, Udinese have apparently rejected a £35M offer. If you're going for Young then I highly doubt you'll be going for Sanchez too as that leaves you without a Scholes replacement.

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What so if he doesn't sign then he's still mediocre? ;)

No. If is referring to whether he signs for us or not. Will be a good signing for a Liverpool if he goes there IMO and at £15m isn't too bad in todays climate.

On the Sanchez note' date=' Udinese have apparently rejected a £35M offer. If you're going for Young then I highly doubt you'll be going for Sanchez too as [b']that leaves you without a Scholes replacement.[/b]

Why is that then? We won't have enough cash? :P Besides don't think we will go for Sanchez... great player but doesn't he play right side for Udinese? We have Valencia and Nani their already and before you say then why buy Young he is left-sided and well its clear Nani doesn't work as well there.

Anyhow, we're all getting a little carried away. Lets wait and see who goes where first.

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No. If is referring to whether he signs for us or not. Will be a good signing for a Liverpool if he goes there IMO and at £15m isn't too bad in todays climate.

Why is that then? We won't have enough cash? :P Besides don't think we will go for Sanchez... great player but doesn't he play right side for Udinese? We have Valencia and Nani their already and before you say then why buy Young he is left-sided and well its clear Nani doesn't work as well there.

Anyhow' date=' we're all getting a little carried away. Lets wait and see who goes where first.[/quote']

Fergie's said you're signing 3 players. De Gea, Young and I'd assume a Scholes replacement :) I think he's a winger-***-striker for them, similar to Hulk at Porto. Him and Di Natale kinda create for each other. I rate Park above Young to be honest. Against smaller sides go for the flair of Valencia and Nani and stick Park in for the big games when you can't afford to have a petulant idiot on the pitch ;) Young just seems an expensive understudy...

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Fergie's said you're signing 3 players. De Gea' date=' Young and I'd assume a Scholes replacement :) I think he's a winger-***-striker for them, similar to Hulk at Porto. Him and Di Natale kinda create for each other. I rate Park above Young to be honest. Against smaller sides go for the flair of Valencia and Nani and stick Park in for the big games when you can't afford to have a petulant ***** on the pitch ;) Young just seems an expensive understudy...[/quote']

Varane? Im sure he's coming to us .. that would be three without a Scholes replacement, maybe we dont sign Young?

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Fergie's said you're signing 3 players. De Gea' date=' Young and I'd assume a Scholes replacement :) I think he's a winger-***-striker for them, similar to Hulk at Porto. Him and Di Natale kinda create for each other. I rate Park above Young to be honest. Against smaller sides go for the flair of Valencia and Nani and stick Park in for the big games when you can't afford to have a petulant ***** on the pitch ;) Young just seems an expensive understudy...[/quote']

I'd take that with a pinch of salt - he always says that. It could be anywhere from 1-5 players given his track record.

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Fergie's said you're signing 3 players. De Gea' date=' Young and I'd assume a Scholes replacement :) I think he's a winger-***-striker for them, similar to Hulk at Porto. Him and Di Natale kinda create for each other. I rate Park above Young to be honest. Against smaller sides go for the flair of Valencia and Nani and stick Park in for the big games when you can't afford to have a petulant ***** on the pitch ;) Young just seems an expensive understudy...[/quote']

I heard that third player is Sneijder,but not so sure how many chances we got to get him.

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He kicked the ball away so it was kind of the right decision. Harsh though due to the noise and stuff though.

If he allows diving Nani should be the first name on the team sheet.:rolleyes:

As well as the fact his foot was already in mid swing when he actually blew the whistle. There's no way he should have been sent off.

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Apparently this is the team for the final.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3601132/Revealed-Manchester-United-team-to-face-Barcelona-in-the-Champions-League-final.html

Seems like the Sun has the say over the United team selection nowadays

Could be close to what it is but no quote from Fergie about it so complete and utter rubbish at the moment.

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Not sure if anyone's seen this but a great read in the Guardian on the Da Silvas. Some really funny bits in there...

Luiz Henrique da Silva giggles at the question: how do you spot the difference between Rafael and Fábio? The big brother, who came to England to look after the Brazilian twins, seems genuinely puzzled by how, as in the lyrics of the chant that echoes around Old Trafford, when the boys run down the pitch, one can't say which is which. "When they were babies it was hard, and my mom managed to feed Rafa or Fábio a bottle twice," Luiz Henrique says. "But now they are totally different in the way they look and behave."

He observes how Fábio moves his arm oddly when he runs and the chickenpox spots and scars on Rafael's face. But uncertainty remains in the Manchester United dressing room, with even Sir Alex Ferguson confusing the duo. Fábio says: "There was a match where he came to me in the dressing room and started to tell me off, but calling me Rafael. He still gets us confused, but it doesn't matter. Sir Alex knows everything about football and he loves the Brazilian style. He is crazy about Cafu, our idol."

That "style" is another trait the pair have in common, and in terms of ability there is little to separate them. The brothers have been fighting for the same position in the team since Ferguson began experimenting with Fábio, a right-footed left-back, on the side of the pitch for which Rafael was originally signed to occupy. As a result Rafael will likely be sat with the Scotsman on the bench at the start of the Champions League final at Wembley, with Fábio expected to make the starting XI. Rather than sulk, however, Rafael sees half full a glass that until very recently risked emptiness.

"I am happy to see my brother bouncing back after a difficult start at United," he explains. "He got injured a few times and didn't get many games in the first two seasons. There was even talk about him being loaned out. We have been together throughout our entire career and would love to keep it this way for as long as possible."

The 20-year-olds live together at the same house in Cheshire with their wives and Luiz Henrique, who is also married and has a daughter. As well as Brazilian TV channels, the troupe appreciate the expatriated cuisine and the scent of black bean stew can be detected emanating from the kitchen. Carla, Rafael's other half, calls their home the Republic of Silva, with the twins' parents and other relatives from Brazil sometimes spending time there too. "The boys are very quiet in terms of social life," she says. "They say that after all the travelling and training the last thing they want is to go out. Sometimes we nag them a bit and might get to go to a restaurant, but most of the time we are all here."

After three seasons at Old Trafford, the twins feel integrated into the United ethos and praise Ferguson for helping them settle. Even when Rafael's sending off against Bayern Munich in the 2009-10 Champions League quarter-finals cost United dearly, the Brazilian was not on the receiving end of the hairdryer in the dressing room. "He was angry but it was more a paternal dressing-down than anything at full blast. It actually made me feel more ashamed than if he had screamed. But he always talks to us about taking time to learn with our mistakes and not being too anxious."

They are also thankful for Ferguson's comprehension of their bond. "He understood when I went down the dressing room to see my brother after he got hit badly in the head [against Blackpool last January]," says Fábio, who would otherwise have replaced Rafael on the pitch. His familial duty was also tested during a run-in with Craig Bellamy. "Dirty player, always moaning and trying to wind people up. He pulled Rafa's hair once and I wanted to punch him."

Looking after each other was something they learned early on. Sons of working-class parents, the twins grew up in Rio de Janeiro's Peak District, where rich country houses share space with more humble surroundings. Football saved them from menial work, and they are proud of their father's job as a porter in a deluxe condominium. "We are grateful for what he and my mom have done for us," Rafael says. "We didn't have much but were never obsessed with money. I guess that helped us a lot when United came knocking."

They claim to have turned down an offer from Arsenal because it would have bypassed their then club, Fluminense, in the negotiations. "My mum was adamant," Fábio explains. "We could not turn our backs to the club that took us on when we were only 11, even though they then refused to allow us to play in the first team when the contract with United was signed."

The episode is still brought up in the Brazilian media as the twins became a symbol of a new era where younger talent would, as the Portuguese phrase goes, take the airport way. Signed at 16, Rafael and Fábio had previously arranged to play a season for Fluminense so that the transition to the Premier League would not look so daunting, but there was a change of directors and the boys were told by no less than World Cup winner and former full-back Branco that they were surplus to requirements. "Some supporters thought that we were the ones refusing to play but I reckon people understand it now," says Rafael. "If we ever play in Brazil again, we would definitely listen to Fluminense, as much as my brother and I support [local rivals] Botafogo."

The twins ended up as full-backs by accident. In their early days in the Fluminense academy, based in the outskirts of Rio, Rafael's preference for the right side of the pitch had more to do with escaping the scorching heat than beating his marker. "The training pitch had a shadow on the right side and I, then a midfielder, went through there a couple of times during a game so I could escape the sun," he recalls. "The manager liked it and moved me to right-back."

Fábio's journey to the left side was more circuitous. Originally a striker who once fed off his brother's long balls to score goals galore in a local team in Petrópolis (a mountain town near Rio and historically important for hosting the Brazilian emperor's summer palace), at Fluminense he struggled to find a place until the first‑choice left-back was dropped because of forged documentation. "The manager put me there and I ended up enjoying it more than playing up front, as much as Sir Alex sometimes has to remind us that we can't bomb forward as much as Brazilians full-backs do."

On Saturday United will come up against one such player, Barcelona's Dani Alves. The Da Silvas are respectful of the Catalan team but see no reason why they should be apprehensive about sharing the same pitch. "We have a side full of confidence and good players and shouldn't fear Barcelona," Fábio says. Rafael, as he often does, enforces his brother's viewpoint. "I don't see why we can't hurt them if we stick to a game plan where we don't make the same mistakes made by some of their opponents. Basically, Barcelona do not like being attacked or pressured. We need to make them feel uncomfortable."

Our conversation is in Portuguese but the twins' English is not as hesitant as might be expected in their discussion with the photographer. It is good enough to understand a rare joke by Paul Scholes – "He is a quiet guy and nobody expects him to say something funny, but all of sudden he will," says Rafael – and to realise they should not push Wayne Rooney too hard during kickabouts. "Wayne can get quite competitive, but that's why he's such a great player," explains Fábio. Nani still amazes the twins with his tricks and they also admire how Dimitar Berbatov casually executes plays.

In the dressing room Rio Ferdinand has filled the role performed by their brother at home. "He was always joking with us since the beginning, trying to make us relax," says Rafael. No doubt the twins will be similarly supporting each other on Saturday, even if only one can make the starting line-up.

Got to say here the twins alongside Hernandez are really a breath of fresh air to our squad. Without sounding too *** watching the twins play with all their fire, enthusiasm and quality always draws a big smile from me. Hope them 2 stay at the club for a long long time:)

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