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Re: Greek Superleage - Risers/Droppers & Player Analysis 2012

Finally' date=' the kind of answer that I expect when I don't know a player and ask about one beyond the ratings. That was a really clear and usefull answer for me.

I'm playing in a very competitive world, in a 4th Division where the overall first team ratings are 87/88, and where all the players above that value are really difficult and expensive to get. That's why I asked about him. I am thinking of getting another left back/winger that is (or can turn into an) 88, and there's one free right now. But I already have an 88 (AOGO, from HSV) and hoping that if HOLEBAS could rise, I didn't need a substitute.

I'll wait for Greek reviews (does anyone have any clue when it can happen, more or less?), and then I'll sell him. Because he's already 28, and I don't want a player with that attitude in my defense ;)

Just one more thing, about those 4 players you mentioned (Kolovos, Kouros, Spyropoulos and Goutas), you said they are promising greek talents, do you think they are worth to maintain in my youth team for a couple of years? Do you think they have already the potential to move to greater teams or other stronger leagues (like Tachtsidis, Ninis, Veliios or Giannakopoulos), or should I sell them after their rise? And what do you think about Katidis, he's also a keep or a possible flop (without considering AEK is weaker than usual)?

Sorry the long post with all those questions but I have a lot of curiosity about this new greek generation =p Thanks a lot again for you answer![/quote']

Yep of course I believe you should keep these 4. And to prove you that It really worhts, Spyropoulos moved in 31 Jan to Panathinaikos. So we have a 73>80 rise that can go even further and you will have to spend like 130k to get him if that's not a bargain deal then what is it B). Same story for Goutas as I rate him really highly.

As for Katidis you can get your answer right here.

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Yep of course I believe you should keep these 4. And to prove you that It really worhts' date=' Spyropoulos moved in 31 Jan to Panathinaikos. So we have a 73>80 rise that can go even further and you will have to spend like 130k to get him if that's not a bargain deal then what is it B). Same story for Goutas as I rate him really highly.

As for Katidis you can get your answer right here.

Great response once again! I saw Katidis game against Portugal, I bought him right after the game ;) Great report about him. Cheers mate, see you around! Thank you!

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Why the hell Leto drops? Last season from 17(1424 min) games for Panathinaikos he has 15 goals and 9 assists and since them he was injured as far as I know. Also he has 4 matches in Europe(360 min) and 1 goal. And that was only for half a season!!!

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/sebastian-leto/leistungsdaten/spieler_39256_2011.html

Through the first 17 league fixtures, Leto lead the goal-scorers chart with 15 league goals.[21] On 25 January 2012, Leto suffered a knee injury and flew to Bologna to be checked by a specialist who said that he would be forced out at least until March. It was revealed in March though that he would not be available until at least early April with continued knee problems. After a few days, it was revealed that Leto will not be available for the whole season.[22]On January 21, 2013, Leto terminated his contact with Panathinaikos.

So a player who played just BRILIANT for his team then got injured for whole season deserve a drop to 87???? SW got completely mad. I believed he deserved even a raise and he got a drop.......

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Why the hell Leto drops? Last season from 17(1424 min) games for Panathinaikos he has 15 goals and 9 assists and since them he was injured as far as I know. Also he has 4 matches in Europe(360 min) and 1 goal. And that was only for half a season!!!

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/sebastian-leto/leistungsdaten/spieler_39256_2011.html

Through the first 17 league fixtures' date=' Leto lead the goal-scorers chart with 15 league goals.[21'] On 25 January 2012, Leto suffered a knee injury and flew to Bologna to be checked by a specialist who said that he would be forced out at least until March. It was revealed in March though that he would not be available until at least early April with continued knee problems. After a few days, it was revealed that Leto will not be available for the whole season.[22]On January 21, 2013, Leto terminated his contact with Panathinaikos.

So a player who played just BRILIANT for his team then got injured for whole season deserve a drop to 87???? SW got completely mad. I believed he deserved even a raise and he got a drop.......

he got released......

He may not play again for along time due to his injury, therefore he should drop now rather than retain his rating.

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;2443127']he got released......

He may not play again for along time due to his injury' date=' therefore he should drop now rather than retain his rating.[/quote']

He wasn not realeased. Find me even one article with proove about that.

Panathinaikos winger Sebastian Leto has left the Greek club by mutual consent after a long battle with injury.

Here goes another one. He wanted termination of his contract and it was granted. And the reason is this:

Sebastian Leto has refused a proposal from Panathinaikos to have his salary reduced as he continues his recovery from a long-term knee injury.

He don't want cut off, they don't wanna pay his salary. Simple as that.

And since when SW gives rating about future possibilities? Last known performance of Leto was 17 games 15 goals and 9 assists in Greece(not big 5 but still decent league). Since then he was injured for a year and only few days ago terminated his contract. That is the facts. Nothing more, nothing less. So the possibility he not to play soon and not to find a team(which are guessworks) get him -1? How many time did Rossi stayed at 92, although he was injured for 16 months and his team was in Segunda? C'mon! So let's make Pogba 91 right away becouse he's already playing regullary at Juventus and have a lot of potential.....

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i cant see why you think he should STILL retain his high 88 after no football for over 13months.. And still hasnt recovered so he may not even return to football.

he got -1 as he hasnt played for over a year and still is nowhere near playing still.

Rossi dropped in the end too, as did David Villa, both high profile long term injuries.

left by mutual consent / contract termination / released = all means the same. He was let go by the club.

just trade him for Djebbour, he will be 88!

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;2443402']i cant see why you think he should STILL retain his high 88 after no football for over 13months.. And still hasnt recovered so he may not even return to football.

he got -1 as he hasnt played for over a year and still is nowhere near playing still.

Rossi dropped in the end too' date=' as did David Villa, both high profile long term injuries.

left by mutual consent / contract termination / released = all means the same. He was let go by the club.

just trade him for Djebbour, he will be 88![/quote']

It's not about who gonna be 88, it's about is it a deserved drop or not. There is nowhere rules about what is needed to get a rise and a drop. It's all about what the all know about football developers at SW do. Becouse when I log into my account in SW I cannot see a single post in page about Leto saying he must be 87. So it's not what comunity voted to, but what a single person(or 2 or 3) decided. And the customer of this game(yes we are paying, so we are customers) cannot find and read why a player deserves a rise and why he deserve a drop. I cannot find ANYTHING in Leto's PAST(not his alleged future) that converge to a drop. An injury is not a poor performance, an injury is impossibility to show his football ability.

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It's not about who gonna be 88' date=' it's about is it a deserved drop or not. There is nowhere rules about what is needed to get a rise and a drop. It's all about what the all know about football developers at SW do. Becouse when I log into my account in SW I cannot see a single post in page about Leto saying he must be 87. So it's not what comunity voted to, but what a single person(or 2 or 3) decided. And the customer of this game(yes we are paying, so we are customers) cannot find and read why a player deserves a rise and why he deserve a drop. I cannot find ANYTHING in Leto's PAST(not his alleged future) that converge to a drop. An injury is not a poor performance, an injury is impossibility to show his football ability.[/quote']

To be fair, a drop to 87 for Leto could be predicted but only for someone who's Greek and knows the whole story. Because even me that I'm Greek still haven't understand what went wrong with him.

Last year after his rating got reviewed he was rated 88. After that, he continued his solid performances till almost the ends of season. Then he had that injury for a year (Officially since November '12). Considering that Panathinaikos are in poor financial condition, Leto was asked to reduce his wages by 50%. He rejected that offer and for the next 5-6 months (half season, since Jan, 13) while he was recovering and was not injured anymore, he got dropped to the reserves. So since Jan, 13 he didn't have one single game on his feet.

Media said that injury was just an excuse to the fans of Panathinaikos so they won't know that the main reason was his very high wages he was getting. But it has been clearly said to Leto that he won't be able to make it to any of the big leagues as his feet can only handle a semi-pro career.

That's all i know B).

Also have in mind that Panathinaikos is currently struggling in the league as they're 6th, so 87 is pretty much the biggest team rating. Still, I haven't predict that drop but i won't call it bad prediction for the above reasons.

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Re: Greek Superleage - Risers/Droppers & Player Analysis 2012

Bargain Buys of the Year

Panagiotis Spyropoulos | Rated: 73

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Panagiotis Spyropoulos has officially signed a new contract with his new team Panathinaikos. Having completed 15 league matches with his previous team Panionios (10th), Spyropoulos has now the opportunity to stand and shine to a higher level.

Name : Panagiotis Spyropoulos

Main Position : Right Back

Age : 20

SM Rating : 73 > 78

Ergys Kace | Rated 76

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Kace has become a regular starter this year with PAOK. His primary position is Defensive Midfielder and possibly he will start being an indispensable player for his team in the midfield. He surely is in for a further future rise.

SM Rating 76 > 83

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Best League Players so far

Rafeek Djebbour | Rat : 87

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Rafeek Djebbour or the "Algerian Terrorist" as his nickname is. He's been terrific with Olympiacos this year. Season stats speak by their own:

Appearances : 22 | Goals : 17 | Assists : 2

Djebbour has been linked with a move to EPL & Turkish League but he finally renew his contract with Olympiacos. He's undoubtedly a goal machine for the Greek Superleague and one of the hottest name in it.

Name : Rafeek Djebbour

Main Position : Center Forward

Age : 28

SM Rating 87 > 88

Stefanos Athanasiadis| Rat : 86

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Stefanos "Klaus" Athanasiadis as his full name is, belongs to the players who annually perform better and better. This year with 17 goals & 5 assists he's leading PAOK all the way to UCL.

Appearances : 26 | Goals : 17 | Assists : 5

SM Rating 86 > 87

Giannis Skondras | Rat : 84

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Skondras is a solid Right Back, ready for the next step in his career. Rumours say that he's agreed to join Olympiacos next summer. He's first team captain for high-flying Atromitos (4th) with 21 Appearances and 2 Goals. Clearly, a summer transfer is most likely to happen.

Appearances : 21 | Goals : 2 | Assists : 1

SM Rating : 84 > 86/85

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Greek Superleague 2013

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Top U-19 Future Talents

In this Section you will find the #5 most exciting young prospects from the Greek Superleague. All players have to be in the SM Database in order to be included in the list.

1 # Taxiarchis Fountas | Age : 17 | Club : AEK

Main Position : Winger

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Right now, Fountas is maybe the hottest prospect of Greek football. Last season, at the age of 16 and a half he made 10 games for AEK in Greek Superleague. This year, at the age of 17 he became the youngest scorer ever for his team AEK Athens . He's main position is Left/Right Winger and he's well known for his good pace and dribbling ability.

Appearances : 19 | Goals : 3 | Assists : 1

SM Rating : 80 >82/81

2 # Dimitris Sounas | Age : 18 | Club : Aris

Main Position : AM

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Dimitris Sounas has made a fine start in his carrer as he's introduced himself in Greek League with 2 goals in 16 appearances. His main position is Attacking Midfielder / Second Striker and his main aspects of the game among others are passing and dribbling. Definitely a player to keep an eye on as he's one for the future and a good riser of course B).

Appearances : 16 | Goals : 2

SM Rating : 75 > 80

3 # Dimitris Goutas| Age : 18 | Club : Xanthi

Position : Center Back

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Goutas is in my opinion the next big thing in Greek Defence behind Papadopoulos and Sokratis. He's a tall and strong defender with good heading ability in a package of a 18 years old player.As most Greek defenders he's a fighter in the field and will challenge every ball around him. I truly believe he got what it takes to take it to the next level sooner or later.

Appearances : 13 | Goals : 1

SM Rating : 75 > 80

4 # Alexandros Kouros | Age : 19 | Club : Panionios

Position : Left Back

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A player that has already been linked with a transfer to one of the the big 3 of the League (Olympiacos, Panathinaikos & Paok) but it seems he will stay in Panionios a little longer. He's a left back who likes runs and crosses. He has a good future indeed and probably will move from Panionios soon enough if he continues his top perfomances.

Appearances : 16 | Assists : 1

SM Rating : 75 > 80+

5 # Michael Olaitan | Age : 20 | Club : Veria

Position : Forward

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It is rumoured that next summer Olaitan will join one of Olympiacos or Paok. No surprise on this and especially for those who have seen him in action as he is too good to stay in Veria. This year he's been amazing and has made a big contribution and a big difference in Veria.

SM Rating 76 > 81/80

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I think that Kapino' date=' [b']Mavrias[/b], Stafylidis, Gianniotas should be on that list, they are amongst the best U19 players in Greek League, as far as i know. :)

Unless of course you made the list for players that are not widely known yet. In that case, maybe you could add Dimitris Kolovos in that list (having a good season) and Fourlanos as well.

Not Greek but good talents in the league are Kace and Olaitan too.

Also, not U19 but worth mentioning is Vasiliou (21 years old) of Levadiakos. His performances are excellent so far this season and he is the main reason that a small club like Levadiakos is 5th right now in the league.

He has scored 11 goals in 21 appearances (league + cup games) so far, and big greek clubs Olympiacos and Panathinaikos are interested in him.

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...the three big of the league (Olympiacos, Panathinaikos & Paok)..

Historically you are wrong. (Olympiakos, Panathinaikos and AEK are the big three of the league)

According to this year's form, wrong again. (Olympiakos, Asteras Tripolhs and Atromhtos or Paok are the big three so far)

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...the three big of the league (Olympiacos' date=' Panathinaikos & Paok)..

Historically you are wrong. (Olympiakos, Panathinaikos and AEK are the big three of the league)

According to this year's form, wrong again. (Olympiakos, Asteras Tripolhs and Atromhtos or Paok are the big three so far)[/quote']

I think you may not totally understand the word 'big' club mate.

You're calling Atromitos a big club. No offence but for your information, Atromitos is a club that merged in 2004 with Chalkidona (third league) when they were demoted from the second league.

And Asteras Tripolis has been in First League last 5 seasons mate, can't call them big either B).

AEK is another story. Surely a big club but they really are a mid-table club atm. They're in the poorest possible financial position (Club runs out of money on last days of Feb.There will be some penalties for the team and who knows what else).

They already playing with U-21 aged players only as they have been banned from the Greek Football Association (EPO) and they cannot have more than 3 players above 21 if I'm right. So there might be some time since we'll be able to call AEK as big as we used to be.

I think that Kapino' date=' [b']Mavrias[/b], Stafylidis, Gianniotas should be on that list, they are amongst the best U19 players in Greek League, as far as i know. :)

Unless of course you made the list for players that are not widely known yet. In that case, maybe you could add Dimitris Kolovos in that list (having a good season) and Fourlanos as well.

Not Greek but good talents in the league are Kace and Olaitan too.

Well germlad mate, I tottaly agree for Kolovos, but if you check first page you'll see the "Greek Talents of the Year (2013)" that I'm preparing. Actually you ruined my surprise, as most of those you mentioned are in the list I'm working on B).

As for Kace I agree too. He's probably going to be added in bargain buys of the year cause of his rise but he isn't anything special imo. Just a DM that can run but does lots of mistakes and he's kind of careless when marking (has contributed some penalties for the opp and have been given lots of yellows lately). He's still young tho, but he really need to work on these things in order to succeed and be something better than a good SM riser :o.

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I think you may not totally understand the word 'big' club mate.

AEK is another story. Surely a big club but they really are a mid-table club atm. They're in the poorest possible financial position (Club runs out of money on last days of Feb.There will be some penalties for the team and who knows what else).

I could say the same thing about Panathinaikos.

Surely a big club but they really are a mid-table club atm (4 point more than AEk).

They're in the poorest possible financial position (Club runs out of money on last days of Feb.' date=' they need 500.000 so that be able to participate in europa league next year if they manage to finish fourth. There will be some penalties for the team and who knows what else).

They already should have been banned from the Greek Football Association (EPO). So there might be some time since we'll be able to call Panathinaikos as big as we used to be.

Yes, AEK is playing with youngsters atm but they have vision and they are building a great team for next years while Panathinaikos is buying benchers from Seegunda Division:D.

AEK (especially of the 90s) has played the[b'] best football ever played in Greece.[/b], they will always be one of the 3 big teams.

P.S. I'll take the risks and i will say that AEK will finish above Panathinaikos

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I know Greek policy affects Greek football but this has nothing to do with the occasion of AEK imo. Better blame the ex-chairmen that ruined the club and resigned right after :rolleyes:.

Just everyone to know what is happening...our ex chairman stole many millions from AEK... he was wanted by the police... he was captured! the justice said that AEK is right and he owes to AEK the money!

IF the government wanted to end the story now the debts of AEK would be paid from ex chairman and AEK would have some millions more... cause the stolen money are far more than AEK debts...

Due to 90s form many people including me are AEK fans..

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