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From february to May last season, Javier Mascherano was the best central midfielder in the premier league, fact.

Hasn't played very much this season, benitez has been resting him due to the number of games he played in the last 2 years. But with Alonso injured, you will once again see how good Mascherano is.

People are going slightly over the top with Fabregas. I thought he was awful last year by his standards. Fair enough he has started this season well enough, but time will tell. Theres no doubting hes a classy young player, but to compare him against Pirlo, Kaka, Gerrard, Xavi, Deco etc. If Fabregas wants to get to that level he has to have at least 1 full year of performing at the level he is now. Don't forget people like Gerrard had a 2 year spell where he was literally dragging liverpool through results.

Fabregas is looking good, but a bit early to call for him being the best CM in the world.

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Fabregas is a superb player, who has a great start. At the age of 20 he is so comfortable with the ball, his vision is great and knows how to lay of a great through ball or direct pass. Now he has starting having shot on goal and it has paid of for the lad. He is have a great start of the season, but it is still too early to say he is the best in the world.

I rate Gerrard and Pirlo as the best CM's in the world both have proven themselves on the big stage and have stepped up when their teams have needed. Gerrard is Liverpool, however with new signings he should be having an easier job, but he ain't. Last season every attack went through Gerrard , he'd lay of a pass to Pennant who would cross it it. Gerrard would play a long ball the the strikers, he'd attack. Gerrard is very hardworking player who sometimes just ins't recoginsed for that.

While Pirlo he has stepped up many times when AC Milan needed him and Italy. In the world cup Pirlo was the danger man for Italy even though he doesnt score, everytime he got the ball the other team's looked nervous, he just has such incredible passes, great vision and can make something out of nothing. He passing range is unbeliavable, he could pertty much pass from one side to the other without making a error. He is a CM who can attack and at the same time defend. He had an incredible season last year but was overshadowed by Kaka.

Essien is another great CM, sure he may not be a typical CM but boy what a player to have, you can stick him anywhere and he will make you proud. Essien is solid and very hard working, he links up with players beautifully and when he is given the defensive role it is very hard to pass him. He moves from end to end with style and grace and doesnt have a bad shot, we saw that last season his stunning goal against the Red's.

Lampard is a player who i dont think very highly of. HE scores lots a goals for Chelsea but he is a hog, With him scoring one goal with the amount of chances he has he could have setup up 3. But in the end of the day the lad gives his heart for the team, doesn't give up and has saved Chelsea's *** on many occasions.

Still believe Gerrard and PIrlo are the best two while fabregas and Essien are both young and will be among the best in time, in time.

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From february to May last season' date=' Javier Mascherano was the best central midfielder in the premier league, fact.

Hasn't played very much this season, benitez has been resting him due to the number of games he played in the last 2 years. But with Alonso injured, you will once again see how good Mascherano is.

People are going slightly over the top with Fabregas. I thought he was awful last year by his standards. Fair enough he has started this season well enough, but time will tell. Theres no doubting hes a classy young player, but to compare him against Pirlo, Kaka, Gerrard, Xavi, Deco etc. If Fabregas wants to get to that level he has to have at least 1 full year of performing at the level he is now. Don't forget people like Gerrard had a 2 year spell where he was literally dragging liverpool through results.

Fabregas is looking good, but a bit early to call for him being the best CM in the world.[/quote']

Javier Mascherano was the best central midfielder in the premier league, opinion. With the likes of Essien and Arteta also in contention, it really is an audacious claim to make. May I ask on what basis of yours is Mascherano the best central midfielder?

To claim that Fabregas was awful last year makes people truly doubt the validity and objectiveness of your entire post. Yes, I do agree that he cannot be compared to the likes of Kaka and Gerrard yet, but to say that he was awful is another matter altogether. Fabregas last season notched up an impressive 13 assists, top of the list along with Cristiano Ronaldo. He was also named in the 2006 UEFA Team of the Year, and named FA Premier League Player of the Month for January 2007. He was nominated for both PFA Players' Player of the Year and PFA Young Player of the Year, which places him in the top 5 of players in the whole Premier League according to the PFA last season. He was named Arsenal's Player of the Season last year, taking in 60% of the votes. Hence, saying he was awful by his standards is really the highest form of praise you can bestow upon him as it shows how much you rate him and how good you believe he actually is. With that, I end off and hope that you have not been disappointed by his performances so far, seeing as he is leading the ACTIM (Official Premier League Statistics) charts by a massive 46 points (putting this into perspective, Adebayor is second with 136 to Fabregas' 182 and Lampard is tenth with 107).

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Fabregas has been the best CM in the first ten matches. WHAT IS TEN MATCHES? Nothing. Steve Sidwell can play excellently for ten matches but he is not the best CM in the world' date=' is he? Gerrard has proved himself. He has played like a machine since the depature of Owen. He has played his best football for five years already. All of the best CMs in the world have proved themselves at least for three seasons with great football. [/quote']

do you happen to know the age of fabregas? he is 20 years old, the first name on the arsenal team sheet, and is on the verge of a 95 rating. steve sidwell, as mourinho put it quite well, is class 3 eggs, and he only bought him due to tight funds, and to be frank, is an average player, and his best performance, would be a 5 / 10 performance for fabregas. gerrard is a quality player and is has of course, proved his class for a good few seasons now.

Fabregas was not very good last year comparing him to Javier Mascherano or even Steve Sidwell and Kevin Nolan. This year he's played well. Gerrard is still the best though.

as for that statement, sorry but i think that is a load of rubbish ;) . are you telling me, that javier mascherano, the player who couldnt even get into a struggling west ham side, is better than fabregas. thats laughable IMO :D . although he fit in well to an OK liverpool team, and although he was quietly effective, he's not the player you stop and think 'wow, how does he do that?'. to be the best player in the world, you have to have the x factor - pirlo, gerrard, kaka all have it, and so does fabregas.

sidwell is, as i said an average player, and i really dont think his name belongs in a thread entitled 'who is the best player in the world'. nolan cant get into the english team, which TBH fabregas would walk into without any questions asked. and to say this year he has played 'well' is an understatement to say the least.

he is in the same categoy as cristiano ronaldo was last year, and i think he will not fade as some people think, but go from strength to strength.

i would even go as far as saying i would rather have fabregas in my team than gerrard. IMO, just as good right now, and 7 years younger. the guy is special

Also can i remind you he has 11 votes which is joint 2nd in that list, so it shows i aint the only one who rates him :P

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Fabregas was great last year. Only thing he didn't score. This year he is.

Oh btw ronaldo had 17goals 14assists in the premier league (only EPL).

Could be other way round though not sure. He had 23 goals overall.

I don't know where you are getting that from but according to the Official Premier League Statistics compiled by ACTIM, Ronaldo has 17 goals and 13 assists.

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I really don't why Fabregas is being compared with some of the best CM's in world.

Don't forget that he is only 20 years of age and still has more to learn. He will be the best CM in the world one day IMO, but not just now. He is doing fantastic so far and deserves to hog the limelight.

however, i voted for Pirlo, I think he is better than Cesc, he also assists and scores lots. There's also the age factor and the Experience factor

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Honestly I don't understand how this can even be a debate. In order to be considered the best in the world you need to have been consistent class and the only player on this list that has been truly consistent is pirlo. Last time I checked Spain and England have been chronic disappointments in the big tournaments and Gerrard, Xavi, Xabi Alonso, and Lampard cannot be considered the best simply because of that. They are all class but Pirlo is class and has performed at his best (equal to the best of any of the others)in the World Cup and the Champions League in the last two years.

If you take Gerrard and only look at his Liverpool performances than yea he would be right there with (if not ahead of) Pirlo, but he can't be given a free for Englands troubles. Sure you can say the management has been abysmal and that Lampard has no business in a midfield at international level (as has been said he is a hog and only desireable when you lack finishing, which Owen and Rooney provide), but if Gerrard was the greatest he would have pulled through. Kind of how Pirlo (amongst others) did when everyone poo pooed the Italians coming off Calciopoli and with Totti recovering from injury.

My list is as follows (in order)

Pirlo by a mile for reasons explained

Gerrard

Essien (gets mentioned because of his flexibility in a dysfunctional Chelsea last season)

Players I would most want to have on a team:

Pirlo, if the rest of the team is strong right now and I'm challenging for honours.

Fabregas, if I've got a promising core of youngsters and want a CM to lead for the next decade.

Essien if I'm strong but light on numbers in mid and def.

Fabregas moves to #3 IF he can keep up the form and Arsenal win the PL or CL (I don't rate the FA Cup). If they win both and he continues he pips Gerrard for 2nd at the end of the season. I'm convinced he will be the best in the world within four years but he'll have to win PL, CL, and Euro or World Cup first.

P.S.: I can understand how a player with a weak national team can be rated 97+ (I'm thinking Eto'o in the past) but a player who is on a strong national team shouldn't be rated that highly unless that team succeeds at least some of the time.

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Honestly I don't understand how this can even be a debate. In order to be considered the best in the world you need to have been consistent class and the only player on this list that has been truly consistent is pirlo. Last time I checked Spain and England have been chronic disappointments in the big tournaments and Gerrard' date=' Xavi, Xabi Alonso, and Lampard cannot be considered the best simply because of that. They are all class but Pirlo is class and has performed at his best (equal to the best of any of the others)in the World Cup and the Champions League in the last two years.

If you take Gerrard and only look at his Liverpool performances than yea he would be right there with (if not ahead of) Pirlo, but he can't be given a free for Englands troubles. Sure you can say the management has been abysmal and that Lampard has no business in a midfield at international level (as has been said he is a hog and only desireable when you lack finishing, which Owen and Rooney provide), but if Gerrard was the greatest he would have pulled through. Kind of how Pirlo (amongst others) did when everyone poo pooed the Italians coming off Calciopoli and with Totti recovering from injury.

My list is as follows (in order)

Pirlo by a mile for reasons explained

Gerrard

Essien (gets mentioned because of his flexibility in a dysfunctional Chelsea last season)

Players I would most want to have on a team:

Pirlo, if the rest of the team is strong right now and I'm challenging for honours.

Fabregas, if I've got a promising core of youngsters and want a CM to lead for the next decade.

Essien if I'm strong but light on numbers in mid and def.

Fabregas moves to #3 IF he can keep up the form and Arsenal win the PL or CL (I don't rate the FA Cup). If they win both and he continues he pips Gerrard for 2nd at the end of the season. I'm convinced he will be the best in the world within four years but he'll have to win PL, CL, and Euro or World Cup first.

P.S.: I can understand how a player with a weak national team can be rated 97+ (I'm thinking Eto'o in the past) but a player who is on a strong national team shouldn't be rated that highly unless that team succeeds at least some of the time.[/quote']

Mate, great post you deserve a rep point.

Totally agree with Pirlo, only reason he may not be rated high with people because Kaka is stealing the highlight, but Pirlo is playing just as good. Pirlo was an important key figure of the Italian team that won the 2006 FIFA World Cup. He is known to many fans as the Metronome of the midfield and the Maestro because of his talent for setting up plays and is known for his great passes and shooting from distance. And his freekicks well most are just class, he knows how to place and finish them off in style.

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My top two definitely are, in order, Essien and then Pirlo.

Essien IMO is the complete central midfielder; and he is only 24. He can tackle tremendously. He has great pace. He packs a brilliant shot. And he makes the right decisions most of the time.

Even at the price Chelsea paid for him, it is definitely a bargain. Well done for that.

Pirlo is similar, but I really admire his passing range. Im not sure if many other CMs have a similar passing ability as this guy. Seems to have an extra pair of eyes on the sides of his heads to look for unmarked players.

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They're tied for me. They have their own unique style I guess. For me, Pirlo is first. I didn't vote coz I think each of them have their own main style. Example, Iniesta vs Pirlo... Different kind of players. Pirlo has magnificient set piece, good shots etc. Iniesta is more of the assist type. Maybe that's why Iniesta's not so famous as those like Gerrard. But meh... he's bound to be a good player. Fabregas and Iniesta are one of those who really inspire me to watch them a lot. I really like them to be honest. Good, talented and young.

Though, if you aren't considering age, Pirlo and Gerrard are top for me. I didn't vote since I don't really know who. Pirlo has good set piece, brilliant for Milan. Gerrard is a good long shot specialist, not really of the set piece type since Alonso usually does that. Two are phenomenal.

Then, it's followed by Xavi for me. No substitute for this guy. Great passing, good vision, good skills. Yep, everything you want for someone who dictates the play and of course, captain. Next is Gattuso. He's really determined and goes for every ball. He does what a captain (well... vice captain) does. Although he's behind Maldini, you see the way he conducts the midfield. Brilliant. I still remember last year when he actually intimidated Liverpool with his words.... irrelevant anyway.

Then, Fabregas and Lampard are close behind. Lampard is a skilled player. Scores goals, good play, nice passes. Yep.... Fabregas is only a rising star. He only performed well this year, which is good to see that he is improving. Though, can he continue it? If he can, I'm sure he'll be one of the best. He's one of the top players at this moment.

After these, you have the pack of players like Scholes, Iniesta, Sneijder, Essien with their own styles. It's pretty interesting. Just my opinion... Maybe some might object.

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Essien is more like a DM not a CM.He's better than Lampard but he can't score nor assist' date=' he can only prevent the other team from doing so. He is a very rough player who loves to get booked. He's as strong as a bull and hammers everybody to the ground like a headless chicken.[/quote']

Oooooh. Essien can score and can assist. He is a rock, and probably the most versatile central midfielder in Europe at the moment. Heck he could probably even play on the left.

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Oooooh. Essien can score and can assist. He is a rock' date=' and probably the most versatile central midfielder in Europe at the moment. Heck he could probably even play on the left.[/quote']

How many goals have Essien scored since joining Chelsea and the past? Here are the stats from Wikipedia. It also says he is a DM

SC Bastia 65 games 11 goals

Lyon: 71 games 7 goals

Chelsea: 70 games 5 goals

Ghana National Team: 28 games 5 goals

Total: 234 games 28 goals

Ratio: 0.12 goals per game

Stats for Gerrard from Wikipedia:

Liverpool: 272 games 45 goals

England (U21 and National Team) 63 games 13 goals

Total: 335 games 58 goals

Ratio 0.17 goals per game

Stats for Lampard from Wikipedia:

West Ham United: 148 games 24 goals

Swansea City: 9 games 1 goal

Chelsea: 227 games 64 goals

England (U21 and National Team): 72 games 21 goals

Total: 456 games 110 goals

Ratio: 0.24 goals per game

Stats for Pirlo from Wikipedia

Brescia: 47 games 6 goals

Internazionale: 22 games 0 goals

Reggina, Brescia, On Loan: 38 games 6 goals

AC Milan:177 games 37 goals

Italy (U21, National Team): 81 games 21 goals

Total: 365 games 70 goals.

Ratio: 0.19 goals per game

All of these CMs have a better record than Essien.

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How many goals have Essien scored since joining Chelsea and the past? Here are the stats from Wikipedia. It also says he is a DM

SC Bastia 65 games 11 goals

Lyon: 71 games 7 goals

Chelsea: 70 games 5 goals

Ghana National Team: 28 games 5 goals

Total: 234 games 28 goals

Ratio: 0.12 goals per game

Stats for Gerrard from Wikipedia:

Liverpool: 272 games 45 goals

England (U21 and National Team) 63 games 13 goals

Total: 335 games 58 goals

Ratio 0.17 goals per game

Stats for Lampard from Wikipedia:

West Ham United: 148 games 24 goals

Swansea City: 9 games 1 goal

Chelsea: 227 games 64 goals

England (U21 and National Team): 72 games 21 goals

Total: 456 games 110 goals

Ratio: 0.24 goals per game

Stats for Pirlo from Wikipedia

Brescia: 47 games 6 goals

Internazionale: 22 games 0 goals

Reggina' date=' Brescia, On Loan: 38 games 6 goals

AC Milan:177 games 37 goals

Italy (U21, National Team): 81 games 21 goals

Total: 365 games 70 goals.

Ratio: 0.19 goals per game

All of these CMs have a better record than Essien.[/quote']

are you saying that essien is worse than all those because he scores less goals??. if so thats a very poor way to tell how good someone is. take makelele - he scores once every blue moon but was a great player in his time

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are you saying that essien is worse than all those because he scores less goals??. if so thats a very poor way to tell how good someone is. take makelele - he scores once every blue moon but was a great player in his time

I didn't say so. I was disagreeing to Darshan's post so got some info about players to prove that Essien is not a good goalscorer compared to the other CMs.

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I didn't say so. I was disagreeing to Darshan's post so got some info about players to prove that Essien is not a good goalscorer compared to the other CMs.

he is great though, a monster in the midfield for us. He never stops running and he never gives up.

not a true CM but he isn't completely defensive either

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he is great though' date=' a monster in the midfield for us. He never stops running and he never gives up.

not a true CM but he isn't completely defensive either[/quote']

Essien is a great midfield and he is very good at tackling and tracking back so i would say he is very good defensively. And what do u mean by not a true CM?

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