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I've floated this idea around with some forumers and have decided to post. I hope this is the correct section, it seems like general assistance.

I wanted to start a thread on how much managers can eventually expect to realise when they sell their 80+ rated players to unmanaged teams.

Please note this post relates to World Championships only as values seem a little lower in the English championships.

I've been keeping info since the transfer rules changed and i've observed that many managers are selling players too cheaply by accepting the first bid and not waiting until they get a better AI bid later on.

Of course it's every manager's right to sell at whatever price they want but I hope the info below, based on around 4-5 weeks research helps some of you out there.

I've listed each rating 80 onwards, sorted by age, the target price you should aim for (which can be exceeded sometimes) and examples of players i've evidenced this information from. (e.g. if you had an 18 year-old player, rated 80 you should target a minimum 2.2M income, it could be more but this should be the minimum!) But an 18 year old rated 81 you should expect to realise 2.5M for.

18/80 - 2.2M Chris Martin, Conserva Fagner

19/80 - 2.0M Emiliano Alfaro, Hamill, Blanco,

20/80 - 2.0M Mumin, Gaitan, Franco, Vestergaard, Haestad

21/80 - 1.8M Pietron, Jendrisek, Owona, Rossini, Mbokani Bezua

22/80 - 1.7M Fietta, Popkhadze, Malenovic, Dong

18/81 - 2.5M Andres Rios

21/81 - 2.1M Velthuizen

22/81 - 2.0M Toudic, Dobrotka

17/82 - 3.8M Ninis

18/82 - 3.6M Okaka Chuka, Sinclair

19/82 - 3.5M Dionisio, Borne, Pardo

20/82 - 3.1M Alejandro Alfaro, Yedro, Cabral, Aban, Ede, Marcelo Moreno

21/82 - 2.9M Kulakov

22/82 - 2.8M Ba, Ricardo Jesus, Sankofa, Compper, Amri

23/82 - 2.5M Oi, Erdal, Le Postellec, Murat, Oscar Diaz, Holaido

25/82 - 2.3M Maierhofer

26/82 - 2.1M Villagra

27/82 - 1.9M Parral

19/83 - 4.1M Montiel, Arias

20/83 - 3.7M Vangioni, Edgar, Renatinho, Pandza, Ayala

21/83 - 3.5M Santacroce, Danze

22/83 - 3.4M Abelairas

24/83 - 3.0M Piccolo, Szekely

25/83 - 2.9M Gorlitz

28/83 - 2.2M Ferreira Silvestre ADRIANO

19/84 - 4.6M Villaluz

20/84 - 4.4M Maidana, Marcelo Oliveira

21/84 - 4.0M Pallardo

22/84 - 3.8M Arce, Lima

24/84 - 3.7M Roberto Lopes, Aliadiere

25/84 - 3.4M Folan

26/84 - 3.3M Asprilla

28/84 - 2.4M Gledson

31/84 - 1.8M Gonzalo De Los Santos

19/85 - 6.3M Giles Barnes

20/85 - 6.0M Sammir, Bispo Adriano, Antonio Marcelo

21/85 - 5.0M Augusto Felipo Santana

22/85 - 4.5M Papiss Cisse, Maurice-Belay

23/85 - 4.5M Laas, Amaral

24/85 - 3.8M Izco, Williams Martinez

25/85 - 3.8M de Souza Júnior JORGE HENRIQUE

26/85 - 3.7M Lavecchia, Fernandinho, Mtiliga

20/86 - 6.7M Ramires

21/86 - 5.7M Pozzi, Donk, Cahill

22/86 - 5.6M Lindgren, Zelao, Torosidis, Kolar

23/86 - 5.4M Trisovic, Jemaa, Zenteno, Fernando Vega, Jakupovic, Makiadi

24/86 - 4.6M Ilic

26/86 - 4.4M Kingston

31/86 - 3.0M Skoko

32/86 - 3.0M Ismael

20/87 - 8.0M Cavani, Kruska, Dessena, Kleber

21/87 - 6.8M Alvarez

22/87 - 6.6M Chica, Diarra

23/87 - 6.4M Jimenez, Jenner

24/87 - 5.4M Jenner

26/87 - 4.9M Solli, El Kaddouri

27/87 - 4.8M Fernando Vega, Kehl

28/87 - 4.4M Abel

30/87 - 3.8M Ezquerro

19/88 - 12.4M Banega, Fellaini

20/88 - 11.4M Cabaye, Menez

21/88 - 10.2M Asamoah, Zapata

24/88 - 6.8M Andujar, Kleber

26/88 - 5.4M Orion, Caracciolo

27/88 - 5.2M Rincon

29/88 - 4.9M Shatskikh

30/88 - 3.8M Karagounis

32/88 - 3.6M Federov, Vaschuk

34/88 - 3.3M Koller

If this information proves popular i'll update the table progressively over time and make it more accurate, with contributions from others where available. Clearly for some categories the sample is small so increased data would further refine the accuracy. NB: Where I have insufficient information for a category I have chosen not to publish anything.

As expected you can see the values received reduce as the players get older. Having this info could make a big difference to some managers, e.g. I've seen 23/85 players sold for £3.3M (a £1.2M loss on above).

There appear to be some major devaluations of players at the ages of 21, 24 and 30 based on the above info.

People's thoughts on this info would be warmly welcomed.

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Re: 80+ players, how much will unmanaged teams pay?

Good Work Best Pay, Altough as i Said Previos It Does Depend On What Team The Players Is At, I saw Shane Long Worth Over 8 Million For One Team.

To Have Acurate Valus You need to Add/Study The Clubs AVG Rating Aswell As age & Valu.

So In future I know That If My AVG Squad Rating is 78 & I buy an 84 Rated player I can Come In Here & See How Much He Will Be Worth For My Team Pior To Me Signing Him

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Re: 80+ players, how much will unmanaged teams pay?

Here's an update list, this time i've included a quick sale value (shown as Q/S) to indicate how much you can get if you want to dispose of the player fairly quickly.

17/80 - 2.5M Bojan Krkic

18/80 - 2.2M (Q/S £1.8M) Chris Martin, Conserva Fagner

19/80 - 2.0M (Q/S 1.8M) Emiliano Alfaro, Hamill, Blanco, Andrade Silva ROBERTO

20/80 - 2.0M (Q/S £1.7M) Mumin, Gaitan, Franco, Vestergaard, Haestad, Francisco Reges FERNANDO, De Winter, Onildo, Paonessa

21/80 - 1.8M (Q/S £1.6M) Pietron, Jendrisek, Owona, Rossini, Mbokani Bezua, Osborne, Moraru

22/80 - 1.7M (Q/S £1.5M) Fietta, Popkhadze, Malenovic, Dong, Gomis

18/81 - 2.5M (Q/S £2.3M) Andres Rios

21/81 - 2.1M (Q/S £1.9M) Velthuizen

22/81 - 2.0M (Q/S £1.8M) Toudic, Dobrotka

17/82 - 3.8M Ninis

18/82 - 3.6M (Q/S £3.2M) Okaka Chuka, Sinclair

19/82 - 3.5M (Q/S £3.2M) Dionisio, Borne, Pardo, Bajter

20/82 - 3.1M (Q/S £2.8M) Alejandro Alfaro, Yedro, Cabral, Aban, Ede, Marcelo Moreno, Kudryashov

21/82 - 2.9M (Q/S £2.6M) Kulakov

22/82 - 2.8M (Q/S £2.5M) Ba, Ricardo Jesus, Sankofa, Compper, Amri

23/82 - 2.5M (Q/S £2.3M) Oi, Erdal, Le Postellec, Murat, Oscar Diaz, Holaido, Komiyama

25/82 - 2.3M Maierhofer

26/82 - 2.1M Villagra

27/82 - 1.9M Parral

19/83 - 4.1M Montiel, Arias

20/83 - 3.7M (Q/S £3.5M) Vangioni, Edgar, Renatinho, Pandza, Ayala, Smith

21/83 - 3.5M (Q/S £3.3M) Santacroce, Danze

22/83 - 3.4M Abelairas

23/83 - 3.2M Oi

24/83 - 3.0M Piccolo, Szekely

25/83 - 2.9M Gorlitz

28/83 - 2.2M Ferreira Silvestre ADRIANO

29/83 - 1.9M Rae

18/84 - 4.9M Ismodes

19/84 - 4.6M (Q/S £4.4M) Villaluz, Dzyuba

20/84 - 4.4M (Q/S £4.1M) Maidana, Marcelo Oliveira

21/84 - 4.0M (Q/S £3.7M) Pallardo, Schmeichel, Loncaric, Quercia

22/84 - 3.8M (Q/S £3.6M) Arce, Lima, Elicarlos

24/84 - 3.7M (Q/S £3.5M) Roberto Lopes, Aliadiere, Peter

25/84 - 3.4M Folan

26/84 - 3.3M Asprilla

28/84 - 2.4M Gledson

31/84 - 1.8M Gonzalo De Los Santos

19/85 - 6.3M Giles Barnes

20/85 - 6.0M (Q/S £5.6M) Sammir, Bispo Adriano, Antonio Marcelo, David Luiz

21/85 - 5.0M (Q/S £4.6M) Augusto Felipo Santana

22/85 - 4.5M (Q/S £4.3M) Papiss Cisse, Maurice-Belay, Burzanovic, Boselli, Samodin, Gonzalez-Vigil, Leitgeb

23/85 - 4.5M Laas, Amaral, Herzig

24/85 - 3.8M (Q/S £3.6M) Izco, Williams Martinez, Elias Marcos Antonio

25/85 - 3.8M (Q/S £3.6M) de Souza Júnior JORGE HENRIQUE

26/85 - 3.7M Lavecchia, Fernandinho, Mtiliga

18/86 - 7.1M Piatti, Vinicius Borges

20/86 - 6.7M (Q/S £6.4M) Ramires, Efimov, Granat

21/86 - 5.7M (Q/S £5.3M) Pozzi, Donk, Cahill, Grote, Coutadeur

22/86 - 5.6M (Q/S £5.2M) Lindgren, Zelao, Torosidis, Kolar

23/86 - 5.4M (Q/S £5.1M) Trisovic, Jemaa, Zenteno, Fernando Vega, Jakupovic, Makiadi, Felipe, Calve

24/86 - 4.6M (Q/S £4.4M) Ilic

26/86 - 4.4M Kingston

31/86 - 3.0M Skoko

32/86 - 3.0M Ismael

20/87 - 8.0M (Q/S £7.5M) Cavani, Kruska, Dessena, Kleber, Boateng, Shunin, Vidal

21/87 - 6.8M (Q/S £6.4M) Alvarez, Rosenthal

22/87 - 6.6M (Q/S £6.2M) Chica, Diarra, Hernanes, Alvarez (now 22)

23/87 - 6.4M (Q/S £6.0M) Jimenez, Jenner

24/87 - 5.4M Jenner

26/87 - 4.9M Solli, El Kaddouri

27/87 - 4.8M Fernando Vega, Kehl

28/87 - 4.4M Abel

29/87 - 4.1M Douala, Boyarintsev

30/87 - 3.8M Ezquerro, Fahrenhorst,

19/88 - 12.4M (Q/S £11.7M) Banega, Fellaini

20/88 - 11.4M (Q/S £11.1M) Cabaye, Menez, Khedira, Shishkin, Arda

21/88 - 10.2M (Q/S £9.9M) Asamoah, Zapata, Jurado, Vermaelen, De Mul, M'Bia

23/88 - 7.4M Ivanovic, Torbinskiy, Valdez

24/88 - 6.8M Andujar, Kleber

26/88 - 5.4M Orion, Caracciolo

27/88 - 5.2M Rincon, Navarro

29/88 - 4.9M Shatskikh, Contreras, Angel Mista

30/88 - 3.8M Karagounis

32/88 - 3.6M Federov, Vaschuk

34/88 - 3.3M Koller

19/89 - 15.6M Benzema, Richards

23/89 - 9.8M Carrizo, Berthod

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Re: 80+ players, how much will unmanaged teams pay?

i dont understand.in my set up an unmanaged team offered 20 million for milan baros of a strong juventus side. for my bojinov i only got offered 13.8 million. Baros is only rated 89 and bojinov is 90

From my stats and experience i've never seen an offer like 20m for a 26/89 player like Baros. The price an unmanaged team would offer would typically be in the 7.5 - 9m mark (like Teb says I think the variation depends on how much the team needs the player in that position).

Are you sure that an unmanaged team bid £20M? If so which team was it? This offer flies in the face of all recent offers i've seen.

For a player like Bojinov who's 21/90 I would expect offers in the £14.5-£17m range typically, so £13.8 is definately short of what i'd want.

With transfers like Bojinov it's often worth waiting for the right offer, over 2 months you'd spend around £700K on wages for Bojinov and have access to him to play in your team. If in that time you get an offer of £14.5m (i.e. £13.8m existing offer + £700K wages) you'll be equal. The chances are though you'd get a £15.5m+ offer in that time or maybe an offer from a managed club.

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Re: 80+ players, how much will unmanaged teams pay?

Best Pay ya have to get people to help you & yourself add what effect avg squad valu has on players for example

Lima 85 is worth 2.2 (Chairman Valu) On Barce for me

With Drogheda Hes Worth 6.8M

Il delete this later ;)

i said this to ya before but i was ignored :P

This is true, the relative merits of a squad dictate what that team are prepared to offer (e.g. I've has some sucess trading GK's like Shunin (rated 87) for £11-£12M part X value where the squad has a low rated GK).

What I was trying to do in this post was reflect an average situation, it's true there are a lot of factors but I can't reflect each one of them in this post.

Therefore I would say values given are an indication, but actual offers received will be lower/higher based on the need of each AI team bidding. This makes selling players a bit of a lottery I know, but I suppose this is no different to real life.

Sorry Shelbs, I don't think I can reflect this in the post, but if you know of a way I can i'm willing to listen.

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Re: 80+ players, how much will unmanaged teams pay?

I've been buying risers for profit.

But I have been reluctant to sell them due to the resulting chairman value after rising.

For example- I bought this player and after rising this was his value:

Gregory Bettiol(75->80)

SM value- 2.1m

Charmian value -1.0m

As I transfer listed him , I received offers worth 1.0m only which is not profitable for me.

There are other similar examples I have faced .

Others whose values are 3.0m are valued as 1.2m by my chairman-which is quite bad to sell at that price.

Maybe the reason is my squad is highly rated with

(98-1) , (96-2) , (94-7) , (93-5) etc..

So that might be the reason for that problem .

What can be the solution?

Does the average rating of our squad have any effect?

How can we raise the evaluation of our chairman values.

A lower team will surely value a player higher , so must we sell our good players??(thats not a good idea)

I'm experimenting something , I bought many lowly rated players (70-75) to reduce my average rating of my squad( From 90 to 83)

I'll monitor those players who will rise in the (Uruguay/Peru/Mexico/Chile) section.

And their resulting values will be posted here to see the results.

Does anyone agree/disagree with me?

Please feel free to say it as it will offer some help to evryone.

You can check yourself-If you have many teams with risers,

The weaker teams (how your chariman values the players)

and

The stronger teams(how your chairman values the players)

Thanks.

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Re: 80+ players, how much will unmanaged teams pay?

I think they bid at chairman value in order to stop people buying for profit and having huge squads. It makes people less inclined to buy players en masse if unmanaged clubs will only bid chairman value, otherwise you can pretty much guarantee that you will make a mint by buying any old player, even when you know that they are never ever going to make your side. I don't bother transfer listing players unless their chairman value is above what I paid and am prepared to accept chairman value. I normally just part exchange them out.

I don't understand the purpose of your idea? Lowering your average squad value won't do much. This has little purpose nowadays really. It will just mean that the players you buy, who will be rated even lower than the ones you have already (relatively speaking) compared to your top players, will be valued even lower as well and you will have trouble ever shifting them for cash from unmanaged clubs.

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Re: 80+ players, how much will unmanaged teams pay?

I've been buying risers for profit.

But I have been reluctant to sell them due to the resulting chairman value after rising.

For example- I bought this player and after rising this was his value:

Gregory Bettiol(75->80)

SM value- 2.1m

Charmian value -1.0m

As I transfer listed him ' date=' I received offers worth 1.0m only which is not profitable for me.

There are other similar examples I have faced .

Others whose values are 3.0m are valued as 1.2m by my chairman-which is quite bad to sell at that price.

Maybe the reason is my squad is highly rated with

(98-1) , (96-2) , (94-7) , (93-5) etc..

So that might be the reason for that problem .

What can be the solution?

Does the average rating of our squad have any effect?

How can we raise the evaluation of our chairman values.

A lower team will surely value a player higher , so must we sell our good players??(thats not a good idea)

I'm experimenting something , I bought many lowly rated players (70-75) to reduce my average rating of my squad( From 90 to 83)

I'll monitor those players who will rise in the (Uruguay/Peru/Mexico/Chile) section.

And their resulting values will be posted here to see the results.

Does anyone agree/disagree with me?

Please feel free to say it as it will offer some help to evryone.

You can check yourself-If you have many teams with risers,

The weaker teams (how your chariman values the players)

and

The stronger teams(how your chairman values the players)

Thanks.[/quote']

Just came across this thread and read a lot of nonsense :P

I'm experimenting something , I bought many lowly rated players (70-75) to reduce my average rating of my squad( From 90 to 83)

I have been managing Queens Park quite some time ago and my highest rated player was at 84, with a chairman value of about 8 Mill. As far as I know and experienced, the average age does not affect the players value, its the rating of your top Player (in that respective position) who makes the Value for the rest.

i.e. u are managing a below par team in a custom setup, say Las Palmas. Your best CM (85) is Chairman valued at 8 Mill and you then buy a new CM at the same age (90+), you will see that ur 85 rated CM will drasticly drop in Chairman value, as there is a new big fish in the pond.

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Re: 80+ players, how much will unmanaged teams pay?

Just came across this thread and read a lot of nonsense :P
Not the most diplomatic of openings!

Your overall message is correct though. The valuations that players receive on the transfer market is largely determined by the top 2 players in that position but especially the top valued player.

Your insight is correct and reflects a change by SM to the game that has occurred since my original post of September last year.

I still don't think the post's nonsense though, it provides forumers with a useful "yardstick" valuation of a players worth that I know many forumers have found valuable over time.

Hope this clarifies.

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Re: 80+ players, how much will unmanaged teams pay?

Not the most diplomatic of openings!

Your overall message is correct though. The valuations that players receive on the transfer market is largely determined by the top 2 players in that position but especially the top valued player.

Your insight is correct and reflects a change by SM to the game that has occurred since my original post of September last year.

I still don't think the post's nonsense though' date=' it provides forumers with a useful "yardstick" valuation of a players worth that I know many forumers have found valuable over time.

Hope this clarifies.[/quote']

look, i actually put the smiley there for a reason :rolleyes:

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