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After a combination of not having time to get on a computer and talking to other managers I am able to script my response to the matter. I have kept my reading of the above and newsfeed posting to a minimal though.

Ben this whole situation is farcical. I have 4 major complaints with this whole scenario. The first is issues Ive mentioned before that have yet to be adequately addressed and the following 3 are instances where I feel there has been misconduct by yourself.

1) Di Maria is my asset.

This is the key problem here. Had Madrid not made their bid I was in line to sign Di Maria. Had they checked Di Maria would have been mine and this whole scenario should have have happened. By initially giving me the cash concession you conceded that he should be my asset. However for whatever reason you have decided he is not. The only way to remedy the mistake of last season is to ensure Di Maria lands up where he should have landed up last season. In effect Ive now been punished by going a whole TB without him and now failing to acquire him as such. It makes absolutely no sense how he should be landing up at me.

2) Your in game message assertions of nothing to worry about

I quote your messages from forum messaging before I bought the matter to the forum

of course leaving yourself open to changing in the bolded part.

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I asked if the fact that youd be selling Strootman the day before would mean that you could become an interested party to which your reply was

This could either be interpreted as you saying you wont be interested. Or you wont be selling him the day before and subsequently dodging my question. Either way its a lie. You completely deceived me here. As the game world ruler you should have disclosed your interests here when asked directly rather than attempt to almost assure me I would get him by default. Disclosing your interest then would have been far more sporting and would have saved me a lot of time wasted arguing with Athletic Club over nothing when I should have been able to raise the matter then with you. Your game world announcement really hammered home that you were always going to ensure you sold him soon enough to bid.

3) In-game messaging yesterday attempting to talk me out of signing Di Maria

You first attempted to push my hand into selling you Gotze with the bargaining tool of removing you from Di Maria.

You then proceeded to try plead with me not to sign ADM

You somehow claim here you are more needing of ADM than Athletic Club despite showing how "perfect" your team would look with him in. This also shows a confirmation bias on my seasons transfers. My transfers this season have been:

- Messi (and selling Marchisio' date=' Dragovic, Son and Volland to afford the move)

- Rode (to replace Quintero)

- Coutinho (direct replacement for Lacazette)

- Henderson (direct replacement for Lars Bender)

- Dominic Solanke

Now my outgoing transfers have been

-Marchisio to Chelsea

- Lars Bender to Dortmund

- Lacazette to Atletico Madrid

- Son, Volland, Dragovic and Quintero to external

Now, ignoring Solanke, Ive bought in 4 players but sold 7 and promoted Dybala. Its not at all my fault that I couldnt sell Son, Volland, Dragovic and Quintero to external when I needed quick cash. They all could have improved some clubs here and will most likely be signed when their TBs expire. So my squad actually is smaller than last season and I had always planned Marchisio's replacement to be ADM

Of course here you skim over the fact that you dont need him either to win the league. Then you threaten me with saying you wont sell Robben if I sign ADM and encourage me to not go for ADM so I can stand a better chance of netting Robben.

If you worried about fairness shouldnt ADM be going to Liverpool since they finished last last season, are about to lose their best CM and are most in need of a boost to make things "equal"?

Wouldn't fairness also mean Liverpool arent losing their best midfielder for a pittance?

[b']4) The post bid conduct[/b]

Magically when I was trying to work out a midground with Athletic Club you didnt have any offers of compensation or anything to provide an amicable solution to the argument I was having but now that you suddenly have what you want youre happy to offer my compensation? I have apologised to him privately but I want to extend my apologies to Athletic Club for our argument earlier. You were always the pawn here. The compensation offer now is again an admission that ADM should be mine which contradicts everything else?

Your parading bidding on ADM first, like the deal had absolutely no significance to any prior bad blood was really the wrong way to act after the situation.

Your assertions that he has to land up at you for every reason is also exceptionally fallacious and self serving. We have agreed from last season on the 3 options for release clauses and you only "win" in one, but its been the only one youve been willing to go on about until recently.

- Bidding first- you win here by a matter of seconds

- Biggest club- I still cant believe you try to think that a recently promoted team that was struggling with relegation for most of the season is somehow bigger than the team that one the title last season and just signed Messi. Surely I win here by a mile.

- Div 2 club- here you get most ridiculous saying theres no way he can join Roma. Why then was RVP allowed to go not only from "backwards" and join last seasons worst team? Why has Neymar, a 94, been allowed to stay at a Div 2 club? Why did Robben, Ribery and Ibrahimovic all move to Div 2 sides in season 1 and remain there in season 2? Why was Xavi previously allowed to drop down to a Div 2 club? And how does this concept fit in together with the earlier comments you made about equality? Shouldnt that mean ADM, by default, goes to Roma?

Additional Points

You've gone on consistently about how I have no risk for this. You forget I sold Thiago Silva to afford a big name midfielder. Sure at that time I hadnt agreed to ADM but its no different to you selling to make way for ADM, or Athletic making space or anyone else making space, especially as it would all be making space in a season's budget (whether this seasons for others or last seasons for mine) is the same risk everyone has taken.

The other point worth raising is I stopped the argument last season because it was going nowhere and irrelevant at the time because the TB wasnt near expiring so it was holding up the setup and I chose to put setup harmony above my own interests and come back to it close to the TB expiration.

Conclusion

What this leaves is a rather weird scenario. All the evidence Ive presented suggests there has been a plan to undercut me and get a player youve never hid your ambition to bring back. Whilst the initial Madrid bid had nothing to do with you it seems like it has been made into an opportunity for yourself. You've lied straight at me, attempted to talk me out of a move and then blindly insisted that the only acceptable move is a move to your club, despite both our clubs having an average starting of 94, when the best XI is put out.

I feel that it is only fair to give Ben and opportunity to sort this out before I decide on my next action. I have spoken to a number of managers here and whatever action is taken I feel will be followed by others.

I really felt that the work done last season on over-hauling the system was a massive step forward and something everyone in the setup could learn from but these recent actions show nothing has been learnt.

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Di Maria is not your asset.

The cash from last season is. However as we all agreed before if you are taking cash from last season you'd have needed wage space from last season so he was factored into your calculations which made little to no difference but was agreed to be fair by everyone.

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Check the dates and times of those messages, at the time NO massive deal was happening and no club looked in a position to bid for him. I checked it then and it was true. But I did say to you it could change, I was being honest. I couldn't guarantee you Di Maria but at the time it looked ok for you.

Jared how hard is it to understand there is no way for me to predict the future at that point... I sent that message at 3:03pm on the 23rd that's 3 days before Di Maria's TB goes off so at the time what I told you was correct and I even warned with the last part of that message that things could change!

Did you honestly expect me to say to you Di Maria is 100% yours no one else will ever be able to bid? Or no everyone is going for Di Maria when at that point nobody I can think of could have afforded him when I checked the wage and transfer budgets? You're just manipulating an honest message which is meaningless.

As for the Strootman you don't need to be a language specialist to realise I was responding to this...

Hahaha im worried about you get 18mil for Strootman the day before :P

To which I replied...

I wouldn't be... lol I've had interest but the teams interested need to make space for him :)

Which again guess what... was the truth! I'd asked around and a few had said they might bid but that they didn't have room for him' date=' I was not expecting PSG to bid for him or anyone else until later in the season because nobody had given me any indication that a bid was right round the corner!

I was saying to you 'I wouldn't be' WORRIED about selling Strootman because nobody was going to at that point.

Either way it isn't a lie Kop I told you the complete truth of what I knew at the time. I even blooming well told you that things could change if big transfers happen!

Also you say I should have declared my interests?

I did a flipping report on Di Maria and expressed Manchester United as a possible destination as well as including all the other Division 1 clubs who were interested! How much more disclosure do you want? I DID NOT THINK I WOULD GET DI MARIA or even have a chance but then you decided to buy Coutinho for £39m and Strootman went to PSG (another club interested in Di Maria) for £18m.

I only disclosed and interest when there was an interest to be had most of my dealing before you buying Coutinho and Strootman was discussing selling Ibrahimovic and Robben and buying Gareth Bale?

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What a load of rubbish!

I was not talking you out of signing him Jared I was talking to you about why for your team it would not be the end of the world. You have the best squad in the game, nobodies comes close and Lionel Messi has just been added to it along with several other players one of which Coutinho you bought from me?

The bargaining tool wasn't Di Maria, the bargaining tool was I could pay you more for Gotze than the other managers whose bids you disclosed. In the interest of being honest with you I had also declared my interest in Di Maria to you with that statement... you know how earlier you said I should tell you well you've just shown I did!

I wasn't pleading you not to sign Di Maria so stop lying and manipulating.

I was telling you not to worry even if you didn't get him because of how good your squad was, I was engaging in a what I thought friendly conversation about ADM.

Honestly Jared why are you lying about my intentions over a fictional player?

I was once again further honest with you by telling you exactly when I made my mind up about going for Di Maria, after I'd sold Strootman as you've bolded.

There isn't a bias on your transfers but Jared you can't have your cake, have someone elses cake and then eat both! You have benefitted from this situation by buying in Coutinho from me, by doing so YOU and PSG enabled me to bid for Angel Di Maria, you're just annoyed and upset that it was your Coutinho bid that gave me the cash for Di Maria and I'm not going to be bullied by your thinly veiled threats and false accusations to suggest that situation is anything other than sour grapes after missing out on a deal.

HOW THE HELL AM I THREATENING YOU? By saying I wouldn't sell Robben without a replacement? How is that a threat to you. Stop being such a sensationalist.

YOU ASKED ME WOULD I SELL ROBBEN!!!!

I told you only if I got Di Maria would I consider it... I have told several other managers the exact same thing and they don't consider it a threat! You're being ridiculous and spoilt.

My entire point about Robben is based around this, why would I sell a 96 rated player to a rival without a replacement come on Jared answer me that? Why would I sell Robben without knowing I had someone else coming in? If that doesn't seem to make sense to you then can I have Messi for CV next season :P

no sale without a replacement and no ADM isnt a replacement. im one player short of what i want in this squad as it is. id need a guarantee on robben first.

Oh look, who has just said via PM before me that he wouldn't sell Gotze without a replacement? I FEEL THREATENED because you're telling me I have to guarantee you Robben before we discuss Gotze, guess what you just did EXACTLY what I did and what every other manager in the set up does, you were discussing a potential transfer and I can't ban that LOL!

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Stop being so seedy about this. It is very simple.

  1. You asked about Di Maria
  2. I said at the moment it looks like you can afford him but no one else (true at the time)
  3. You say you're worried about Strootman
  4. I say 'I wouldn't be' because nobody was looking like buying him ASAP (true)
  5. You bought Coutinho PSG bought Strootman
  6. I had enough cash to try and get Di Maria, I only ever had a chance
  7. I post on the forum my interest as well as telling you my interest separetly in those PMs
  8. I bid for Di Maria and am the fastest bidder

I did intervene in the Athletic Club disagreement, I didn't have any compensation because there was no need, the rule was clear all the way from Season 3. Di Maria was available to everyone for £47.5m and to Bayern for £45m but Bayern would not have to raise the funds AGAIN for Di Maria whereas every other side would be at the disadvantage of having to sell their players, like PSG selling Toure etc, in order to have a chance. We never agreed to a first refusal those were the terms that everyone understood and agreed to.

You can't then expect 1 day before Di Maria's TB comes off for me to say to those others PSG, Atheltic Club etc have all sold players for no reason. You knew what the situation could be but you had ZERO risk.

You yourself admitted that last season there was no one else around you would use that cash on other than Di Maria so the only thing I could do was give you the cash this season to bid for him.

The compensation Jared is just me giving you the £47.5m from last season into this season's budget and NOW seeing as Di Maria is not your player I will remove him from your calculations (which makes sense to do now).

Am I not allowed to enjoy this GW Jared, must I be completely emotionless and not feel the effects of when things go badly or when things go well. The Di Maria bid and getting in first was nice for me and when I'm getting abuse from all corners its sometimes nice for something to go in my favour.

Anyone else would have been just as pleased as me.

There are 3 options

1. First Bidder

2. Bigger Club D1 to play in the top league(not the biggest and the first bidder of the same Division has always taken precedent in this situation to avoid the whole my club is bigger than your club)

3. Smaller Club D2 for more game time (With a justification as to why the player would want to join Division 2)

As for why all those things happened?

BECAUSE I CAN'T TAKE EVERYONE'S PLAYERS OFF THEM IN ONE SEASON!!!

RVP wasn't a release fee

Neymar wasn't a release fee Messi was and he went D1

Robben, Ribery and Ibrahimovic weren't release fee player

Xavi was an ageing dropper and not a release fee player come on this is weak...

I didn't say equality and you quite beautifully told me your opinion on this...

25 May 2015 13:20

Youre making too many assumptions.

a) this league isnt about fairness. if i can fit him i should fit him in especially as he should be fine

B) me getting him weakens rivals as much as it strengthens me

c) it assumes i wont sell someone elsewhere that might actually help someone

You aren't an advocate for fairness...

Also if you don't believe me that he should end up at United, and if you have such an issue with the way that this situation has been dealt with RE: Release Fees etc then why did you say all this the other day to Raahizar?

Mate you really have to calm down.

This is how things have always been and having a massive rage because you missed out on someone makes me think good riddance' date=' especially if you continue.

Ben has said since the start you cant bid above a release clause. Ben has always preferenced the first team to make a bid (Chelsea) in getting the player and then given managers discretion where he has chosen to go with the Chelsea bid (as i outlined a few pages earlier). Had he gone with the 40mil bid that would be breaking the rules and youd be punished.

Youve still evidently got a lot of cash and theres still some release clauses out there (and other deals to be done) so rather than having a massive whinge, accept this is how its always been or get out.

Pot kettle black?

BTW you made the bit in red, red, not me.

Even if you bid 36mil' date=' its well within Niki's rights to have chosen Chelsea, as outlined above. What you are arguing for has no precedent in the rules so cant at all be right.[/quote']

In reference to the fact if 2 Division 1 clubs bids then the fastest bidder wins.

Well if we are going on historical terms' date=' Chelsea are a bigger club with some better players? Theyre more likely to stay in Div 1? Theyd offer more money?

In game wise, as I have already outlined two teams bid the same its managers discretion. He chose Chelsea over you. [b']Get over it [/b]and find a way to make your squad better than had you just got Godin. Thats the attitude to have.

Manchester United are a bigger club with better players than AS Roma, and are definitely more likely to be in Division 1.

I couldn't agree more with the bold Jared.

And the wi-fi thing is bullocks. Ben has put a ridiculous amount of effort into ensuring that time differences have as minimal an effect as possible.

Its like saying Noisy is away so why didnt the market open before he was back? Surely thats unfair to him. Its about as weak as your reasoning.

Your words not mine' date=' seem to be supportive of the way release fees work out...

I was giving a list of reasons and being comprehensive in my reasoning. Even taking everything into account, as has been stated numerous times its managers discretion and he chose Chelseas bid. Not only were they were first legal bid but they were his preference. And your text is all conjecture without Niki saying that. Chelsea still had the first legal bid and he chose to accept that. He told me last night that he was off to Chelsea, as I quote

This was at a time before your bid was made.

From the start of the setup Ben said first in first served. You cant tell me that now you suddenly have a problem with that because you missed out on a player you want!

And now youre resorting to name calling and making up what Im saying. At no time did I say anything about you not appreciating Ben. Youre derailing the argument. Did you not notice recently that when Ben set the opening time for the setup he set it up for a time that was most convenient for the everyone as a collective? Or his loosening of first in first served? Or his constant mentioning of this issue? Bit of a conformation bias going on here from you.

You say "everyone should have an equal chance of getting a player" not only does that mean Juventus have been disadvantaged but its also striving for a perfect standard here. We all live in different time zones and log onto the games and different times. Again this "issue" has existed well before you joined the setup but only now youre voicing concerns over it, conveniently after you missed out on a player?

Again Jared all your words not mine, you agree to the system and passionately defend it.

You can't then criticise it when Di Maria doesn't come to Bayern on a release fee...

Again you're making up what I've said and twisting it to suit you...

Again you're talking about how I've made release fees fairer...

Your final bit in bold just sums up what's happened here.

Conclusion

I've not made a plan to undercut you, we offered the same amount.

It's not been made into an opportunity for myself it's an opportunity for the GW where you had the HUGE advantage of not having to sell anybody to fit Di Maria into your side whereas everyone else had to sell.

I was marginally faster to bid... it was never guaranteed.

First off' date=' what is the usual punishment when a player is acquired without the budget or wage space to accommodate him?

Is he auctioned off with a release fee to the general public? I think he is.

In this case, Ben followed through with the same sort of punishment, but he gave Jared a form of compensation, which was to carry over the budget from the last season to this one, for purchasing Di Maria. I don't think it was ever Ben's intention to expressly give Di Maria to Jared. Why? Because Petros did not bid with the intention of keeping Jared away from Di Maria, but rather getting Di Maria for himself. Keeping this in mind, I feel Jared was very adequately compensated.

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Thank you for brining this up, last time we had an illegal player Mandzukic I believe he was made available on a release fee to EVERYONE IN THE SET UP. It was a public bidding process.

I followed the precedent with Di Maria, but knowing how close Bayern were I decided to give them the advantage of not having to sell anybody this season to buy Di Maria. Every other club around them had to weaken themselves first for a chance, not a guarantee, a chance.

Bayern could operate without any sales and have secured Di Maria. They chose to sell other players to be able to afford Lionel Messi, who I also gave them for £92 as opposed to £100m for everyone else. They have been spoilt rotten for a great season how you can feel hard done by...

Jared accepted the cash and the situation even if it's reluctantly so and heck he even as above defended the system which he has lost out on as a result of me being quicker.

Unfortunately you've not got a leg to stand on. You cannot defend whole heartedly the system when it's convenient and then lambast it and essentially accuse me of cheating when it's not.

Proper Conclusion

What we really see is a completely understandable reaction from Jared but it is an over the top reaction to not getting a player, like Raahizar did.

Jared I know you've missed out on Di Maria, but so have others and based on the agreed rules you cannot complain.

I mentioned compensation which would be what you are entitled to, and that is the only asset you do have a claim on at this point which is the £47.5m you could have spent on Di Maria. That cash is now yours.

Di Maria is now removed from your budget calculations of last season (not that it makes a huge difference to the figures but it was done on principle)

If you want to review the release fee decisions process then I'm up for that, I've said before the system isn't ideal but everyone agrees it's better than the old way.

I'd love to hear the suggestions on how to make the perfect release fee system though and would happily change it if we could find something better.

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As for saying that he'd never come to a Div2 club' date=' are you forgetting that the best player in game spent a whole season in Div2? Even mathematically your argument makes little to no sense - every team in this setup should be considered as equal in terms of grandeur, as if you'd portray this on a real-life scale, we would be looking at the sixteen best teams in the world.

And with United ending a whopping seventh (IRL) last season, who expected Dì Maria to go to them, or was that defying common sense too? The fact of the matter is this, currently I have more arguments than any other team to ensure Dì Maria's future to be the best at AS Roma. However, I do feel that someone has been screwed big time here, and I'm willing to withdraw all my endeavours if that person gets what is rightfully his (or hers ;) ).[/quote']

Messi stayed because you all told me that I should give players a chance to bounce back and that it would be unfair to punish him so harshly?

Every team wasn't as big from the start, I said from the very beginning clubs like Everton, AS Roma and Athletic club etc were smaller and more of a challenge for managers, nobody forced you to take those clubs.

Equally I think I have handsomely rewarded those clubs when they perform well Falcao to Everton, 3 Spanish to Athletic Club? The only club I cannot reward, yet still have if you look, if AS Roma, your club who have finished 8th, 7th and 7th place.

You currently sit 7th place with 1 point in the bottom Division.

In real life if faced between the choice of a Division 1 club with a spot to fill who are 2nd place and gunning for the title, or Division 2 club who have never been promoted and are on 1 point who would Angel Di Maria pick? Manchester United every time and as funny as it would be for him to go to Roma it just wouldn't happen.

Had you bid first, before me, then you would have a slightly stronger argument for selection and I could understand Closer accepting your bid, but you didn't so you missed out on that opportunity.

You don't have more arguments, Manchester United does, they were first to bid, and are the D1 club in 2nd place with the guarantee of first team football too.

If we are all being serious for a second we all know Angel Di Maria would choose Manchester United over AS Roma and as a manger Closer is acting on the PLAYER'S behalf NOT on the club's behalf.

The player decides where to go, which is why it says the player wants not the club... and we all know that the player would not choose the much less attractive option of 2nd bottom of Division 2 over 2nd top of Division 1.

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Verdict on Di Maria

Di Maria will move to Manchester United.

Bayern Munich will receive £47.5m added to their budget to spend elsewhere and their calculations will be altered to not take Di Maria as a season 3 signing after failing to secure him.

Athletic Club have activated their ability on Cazorla he must be sold.

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Verdict on Di Maria

Di Maria will move to Manchester United.

Bayern Munich will receive £47.5m added to their budget to spend elsewhere and their calculations will be altered to not take Di Maria as a season 3 signing after failing to secure him.

Athletic Club have activated their ability on Cazorla he must be sold.

Sorry Ben nowhere does it say in the rules that Cazorla must be sold exclusively to Athletic.

Raahizar this is not me taking a shot at you just what the rule states mate.

PSG put in a bid first and Ben you did send me a PM about buying Cazorla before Athletic bid.....do you recall?

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Sorry Ben nowhere does it say in the rules that Cazorla must be sold exclusively to Athletic.

Raahizar this is not me taking a shot at you just what the rule states mate.

PSG put in a bid first and Ben you did send me a PM about buying Cazorla before Athletic bid.....do you recall?

If you've accepted PSG's offer before Athletic Club tried to activate their rule then yes, you should sell to PSG :)

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Sorry Ben nowhere does it say in the rules that Cazorla must be sold exclusively to Athletic.

Raahizar this is not me taking a shot at you just what the rule states mate.

PSG put in a bid first and Ben you did send me a PM about buying Cazorla before Athletic bid.....do you recall?

Huddo does it matter?

But anyways, if you read my rules it states that I can buy any three Spanish players 30+ for CV+7M so this gives me a rule to take Cazorla.

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If you've accepted PSG's offer before Athletic Club tried to activate their rule then yes' date=' you should sell to PSG :)[/quote']

No it was that I sent him a message with a bid but PSG bidded later but I had activated my clause already.

Huddo you said that you wanted Callejon so I said that you can bid in and the i withdrew my bid for Cazorla but then you pulled out of Callejon and PSG bid in the mean time but since I was already in discussion and had a bid in earlier only to withdraw it cause you said, he should be mine.

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No it was that I sent him a message with a bid but PSG bidded later but I had activated my clause already.

You bid on him last week then withdrew and did it again as I was thinking of buying Callejon off you so how can I know when you are serious.

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Messi stayed because you all told me that I should give players a chance to bounce back and that it would be unfair to punish him so harshly?

Every team wasn't as big from the start' date=' I said from the very beginning clubs like Everton, AS Roma and Athletic club etc were smaller and more of a challenge for managers, nobody forced you to take those clubs.

Equally I think I have handsomely rewarded those clubs when they perform well Falcao to Everton, 3 Spanish to Athletic Club? The only club I cannot reward, yet still have if you look, if AS Roma, your club who have finished 8th, 7th and 7th place.

You currently sit 7th place with 1 point in the bottom Division.

In real life if faced between the choice of a Division 1 club with a spot to fill who are 2nd place and gunning for the title, or Division 2 club who have never been promoted and are on 1 point who would Angel Di Maria pick? Manchester United every time and as funny as it would be for him to go to Roma it just wouldn't happen.

Had you bid first, before me, then you would have a slightly stronger argument for selection and I could understand Closer accepting your bid, but you didn't so you missed out on that opportunity.

You don't have more arguments, Manchester United does, they were first to bid, and are the D1 club in 2nd place with the guarantee of first team football too.

If we are all being serious for a second we all know Angel Di Maria would choose Manchester United over AS Roma and as a manger Closer is acting on the PLAYER'S behalf NOT on the club's behalf.

The player decides where to go, which is why it says the player wants not the club... and we all know that the player would not choose the much less attractive option of 2nd bottom of Division 2 over 2nd top of Division 1.[/quote']

The first bidding thing is a question of microseconds; that isn't an argument whatsoever. I could have very well submitted my bid before you, but because of being farther away from the SM servers, my bid could have registered later. Even so, the first bid thing is irrelevant in this case, so might as well just forget that.

As for some counter arguments, I'll give you a few:

1) Why on earth would Di Maria return to the manager who sold him a few months ago? How many players return to the club they left when the same manager is still in charge? Okay, you'll always find cases like Drogba, but players in their prime? Very, very few. And as you love writing plots surrounding players moving to clubs, I can give you quite a few right here.

"Gabriel Batistuta, arguably one of the best players ever, cemented his status as a Roma legend, helping them to the Scudetto at the change of the millennium. Having seen the reputation Batigol has in Italy, ADM is eager to achieve similar things, knowing that he'll be the focal point of a team needing a star. Believing that his current form will help Roma to their highest place finish in this setup, he is strongly considering the move to the division two minnows."

2) Moving on from the previous, why on earth would Di Maria want to go to a team where he is not the focal point at all? Let's face it, he'll just be another high rated player at United. However, at Roma, he is without even playing a game the biggest asset of the club. Food for thought for any player.

3) Continuing from the "story line", why on earth would Di Maria not be attracted to the fact that he can completely chance Roma's status in the setup? [After selling you De Rossi in the first season, I haven't been able to get a single 91+ player, despite actively searching the market for a good buy. Why? I've either been screwed out of deals (Nainggolan, Matic, ...) or simply been outbid (the latter happening more often than the former).] The one chance I have to legit sign a good player, and it's immediately "unrealistic"? Save me the horse crap Ben; I can always backfire by saying that football is totally unpredictable. Signing Di Maria wouldn't be something that is not realistic, and if it really was, it's your clumsiness that caused this, as a simple *to Div1 only* would have completely kept me out of the game anyway.

4) Everton's case was an exception; the way the club succeeded in the first season was something I'd never seen before, and although I do give a lot of credit to Allan for achieving that, I don't think he could believe it either. Besides, if you look back at the rewards he got, they clearly weren't good enough to keep him in the first division for long. That said, not a word was mentioned about how the highest rated team in the game had not achieved automatic promotion, and even after promotion was struggling to end in the top three, yet faced the bare minimum when it comes to punishments?

You can't have everything all of the time Ben, and I for one am going to make sure that Di Maria does not end up in your hands.

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You bid on him last week then withdrew and did it again as I was thinking of buying Callejon off you so how can I know when you are serious.

I sent you a message along with it that I have missed out on DM so I am deff buying Cazorla off you, when I bidded last week, I did send the message saying that you can keep him when I withdrew.

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No it was that I sent him a message with a bid but PSG bidded later but I had activated my clause already.

Huddo you said that you wanted Callejon so I said that you can bid in and the i withdrew my bid for Cazorla but then you pulled out of Callejon and PSG bid in the mean time but since I was already in discussion and had a bid in earlier only to withdraw it cause you said' date=' he should be mine.[/quote']

I never said he should be yours mate the rule is not right anyway as you got Gabi for only 18 mil.....it should have been for external Spanish players but then I don't make the rules and to be honest this gw has lost its fun and I don't want to argue with you buddy ;)

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You currently sit 7th place with 1 point in the bottom Division.

In real life if faced between the choice of a Division 1 club with a spot to fill who are 2nd place and gunning for the title, or Division 2 club who have never been promoted and are on 1 point who would Angel Di Maria pick? Manchester United every time and as funny as it would be for him to go to Roma it just wouldn't happen.

Firt of all,I hate long posts and don't read them so sorry if it's said before

second,Ben,I understand why Di Maria wouldn't go to Roma but in that logic why Di Maria would want to go to Man Utd who have one 4th and 1st place in Div.2 and one 5th place in div.1 insted of going to Bayern who have 2nd,4th and 1st place in Div.1

third,

The outcomes for release fees are:

1. First Come First Served = United

2. Moving to Big Club D1 = United

3. Moving to Smaller Club D2 = AS Roma

I saw this a little down but I'm little confused,point 1 and 3 are okay but point 2 seems strange for me,a team who promoted from div.2 and have only 1 5th place in div.1 versus a team who have been in title battle almost every season and who had win it last season with big domination against other teams(Bayern)

I'm also United fan IRL but in this gw Bayern should be count as a bigger club than United

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Firt of all' date='I hate long posts and don't read them so sorry if it's said before

second,Ben,I understand why Di Maria wouldn't go to Roma but in that logic why Di Maria would want to go to Man Utd who have one 4th and 1st place in Div.2 and one 5th place in div.1 insted of going to Bayern who have 2nd,4th and 1st place in Div.1

third,I saw this a little down but I'm little confused,point 1 and 3 are okay but point 2 seems strange for me,a team who promoted from div.2 and have only 1 5th place in div.1 versus a team who have been in title battle almost every season and who had win it last season with big domination against other teams(Bayern)

I'm also United fan IRL but in this gw Bayern should be count as a bigger club than United[/quote']

^This.

It should be a three way tie between United, Bayern and Roma, but taking all the external factors into account, Jared should be getting his man here.

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My points of view:

1) i never really felt Di Maria was "a player of bayern i stole" that was the plot last season. i disagree to that HOWEVER since that was done and by the discussions that were happening i always thought it was up to bayern if they want the player or not. Something like first option, and if they don't want to get him, then the other teams come forward. This seemed to change the last days, when i was told i will accept the first bid that will come anyway. By this factor the club for ADM is bayern.

2) if the rule says first come first served, then United came first. If the point 1 does not apply then, by this rules say that ADM goes to United.

3) If i have a preference AND it is legal, my will is to give him to Roma. I don't agree with bayern from the start, and also it seems that i do have the choice between united and roma. In terms of GW equality and competence i prefer to give Roma a big star. Also if we have to build a scenario about this, then why not Di Maria not wanting to go to his previous club, but instead face a new challenge where he is the big star in a new city/country he has not played yet, where he will be treated as god and the face around who roma will try to build a new team and make them rise up and be a legend.

These are my 3 points, but i'm not sure which one is the most "legal"

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Firt of all' date='I hate long posts and don't read them so sorry if it's said before

second,Ben,I understand why Di Maria wouldn't go to Roma but in that logic why Di Maria would want to go to Man Utd who have one 4th and 1st place in Div.2 and one 5th place in div.1 insted of going to Bayern who have 2nd,4th and 1st place in Div.1

third,I saw this a little down but I'm little confused,point 1 and 3 are okay but point 2 seems strange for me,a team who promoted from div.2 and have only 1 5th place in div.1 versus a team who have been in title battle almost every season and who had win it last season with big domination against other teams(Bayern)

I'm also United fan IRL but in this gw Bayern should be count as a bigger club than United[/quote']

Another big factor(that seems to be ignored) is the fact that the current manager of Man U actually sold Di Maria,so,it can be STRONGLY argued,that he does not want to go back there.

Ben you seem to be ignoring logic and any reasoning why he should go elsewhere,for the sake of you getting him because you want him and its your gameworld.

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My points of view:

3) If i have a preference AND it is legal' date=' my will is to give him to Roma. I don't agree with bayern from the start, and also it seems that i do have the choice between united and roma. In terms of GW equality and competence i prefer to give Roma a big star. Also if we have to build a scenario about this, then why not Di Maria not wanting to go to his previous club, but instead face a new challenge where he is the big star in a new city/country he has not played yet, where he will be treated as god and the face around who roma will try to build a new team and make them rise up and be a legend.

These are my 3 points, but i'm not sure which one is the most "legal"[/quote']

I certainly think the 3rd point is legal and logical too,the bigger question than 'why Di Maria would want to move down a division' is 'why would Di Maria want to move back to his previous club that dump him?' Di Maria could become the most loved player in Roma instead of just good player in star packed United team. It's logical,but one person just don't want to accept it

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1. First Come First Served = United

2. Moving to Big Club D1 = Bayern

3. Moving to Smaller Club D2 = AS Roma

this is how the outcomes for release fees are for me,in that case I think it's Closer choice where he will sell Di Maria(the most reasonable it will be if he give ADM to Roma as they are in different divisions rather than give him to any of his title competitors)

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By my previous post, if it up to ME, he goes to Roma and there is justifiable reasoning about it.

But i want to be sure about it, i don't want to be backfired by the creator if i do this, or make bad blood about it.

Then if it is NOT up to me, then just make a decision and tell me where to sell, but noone complaints later to me about giving him to united/bayern cause it WON'T be my choice.

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The first bidding thing is a question of microseconds; that isn't an argument whatsoever. I could have very well submitted my bid before you' date=' but because of being farther away from the SM servers, my bid could have registered later. Even so, the first bid thing is irrelevant in this case, so might as well just forget that.

As for some counter arguments, I'll give you a few:

1) Why on earth would Di Maria return to the manager who sold him a few months ago? How many players return to the club they left when the same manager is still in charge? Okay, you'll always find cases like Drogba, but players in their prime? Very, very few. And as you love writing plots surrounding players moving to clubs, I can give you quite a few right here.

"Gabriel Batistuta, arguably one of the best players ever, cemented his status as a Roma legend, helping them to the Scudetto at the change of the millennium. Having seen the reputation Batigol has in Italy, ADM is eager to achieve similar things, knowing that he'll be the focal point of a team needing a star. Believing that his current form will help Roma to their highest place finish in this setup, he is strongly considering the move to the division two minnows."

2) Moving on from the previous, why on earth would Di Maria want to go to a team where he is not the focal point at all? Let's face it, he'll just be another high rated player at United. However, at Roma, he is without even playing a game the biggest asset of the club. Food for thought for any player.

3) Continuing from the "story line", why on earth would Di Maria not be attracted to the fact that he can completely chance Roma's status in the setup? [After selling you De Rossi in the first season, I haven't been able to get a single 91+ player, despite actively searching the market for a good buy. Why? I've either been screwed out of deals (Nainggolan, Matic, ...) or simply been outbid (the latter happening more often than the former).'] The one chance I have to legit sign a good player, and it's immediately "unrealistic"? Save me the horse crap Ben; I can always backfire by saying that football is totally unpredictable. Signing Di Maria wouldn't be something that is not realistic, and if it really was, it's your clumsiness that caused this, as a simple *to Div1 only* would have completely kept me out of the game anyway.

4) Everton's case was an exception; the way the club succeeded in the first season was something I'd never seen before, and although I do give a lot of credit to Allan for achieving that, I don't think he could believe it either. Besides, if you look back at the rewards he got, they clearly weren't good enough to keep him in the first division for long. That said, not a word was mentioned about how the highest rated team in the game had not achieved automatic promotion, and even after promotion was struggling to end in the top three, yet faced the bare minimum when it comes to punishments?

You can't have everything all of the time Ben, and I for one am going to make sure that Di Maria does not end up in your hands.

Ani firstly I know exactly what you are trying to do, you're 'new GW' being just around the corner, you want to essentially move this GW into your own one with most of the managers and you making the rules.

Now to address your points...

The first bidder rule has always mattered, it's always been a part of the set up and were you benefitting from it and had anyone bid before me then I would have no right to Di Maria... but as it stands I am the only Division 1 club Di Maria can choose.

The fact is my bid came in first, end of discussion. It's always been the case and everyone agreed to that 3 point system.

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The Official Manchester United Transfer Round Up

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The second biggest deal in world football came after the first. Luis Suarez moved to PSG from Barcelona for a record £70m alerting every club to the fact that Barcelona would undoubtedly need to replace him.

Manchester United rebuked an initial £50m offer. They knew that given their funds Barcelona could and should pay more and they most definitely did. A final £65m fee was agreed though United did not accept without having significant assurances from other clubs that a deal for his replacement would be possible.

It is understood United were very sad to see such a talent leave the club.

I was so bothered by losing Di Maria I made that post even expressing how sad I was to see him leave. £65m was a near record fee back then. I didn't want to sell him at all.

Ronaldo' date=' Best, Charlton, Beckham, Giggs, Konchelskis, Cantona, Scholes, RVN, Rooney, Ribery, Robben, Ibra, Hummels, Silva the list of greats at United goes on and Di Maria joined United IRL...

Out of the 2 we both know which scenario is more realistic Di Maria has never wanted to play for AS Roma IRL.

[u']2[/u]

He will absolutely be a focal point! He'd be my playmaker in Central midfield and is guaranteed to start every single game he's fit enough to! He'd be a huge asset to United and would perfectly balance the midfield with De Rossi defending and Di Maria driving forward.

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Because you are 1 point from bottom and he has no emotional ties to your club whatsoever. If we were discussing De Rossi for example then I would completely understand him wanting to return.

Di Maria and any world class player would not in their right mind join a Championship Club or a club in the PL in the bottom half which is essentially what AS Roma is in the set up.

You're not been able to get a 91+ player because you keep buying YOUTH!!! I've told you this so many times, buy first team players, improve your tactics, and then you'll see results.

I sold you Herrera and then when I gave you the choice between losing Neves 83 or Herrera 90 possibly 91 soon you chose Neves? It's your fault not mine I've tried to help you.

You've always held a grudge against me after selling me De Rossi, always...

It's not rubbish and you know it, you hate that you sold De Rossi to me...

4

Everton wasn't an exception look at Athletic Club they did it too last season? How did both clubs do this? By buying first team players and managing their tactics perfectly to get promoted. Both smaller clubs built their clubs up and had a chance at Division 1, in fact Athletic Club have made a great start this season and could very well stay in the league which they'd be rewarded for again.

You're upset Ani that AS Roma haven't been successful but stop pointing the finger and look at what other clubs have done and how they've succeeded. The reason your club hasn't been promoted or improved is because you want to keep youth over first team players who might rise to 91 and be influential in your team. I can't reward you much if at all for finishing 7th/8th every season, you obviously need to change your transfer policy and I'm not the only one who thinks this.

Essentially Roma's lack of success is down to you, not me or any other club. I've tried to help you improve by telling you exactly how to make your club better, sell the youth now and invest in 89/90 rated players, even if they aren't stars and start to sell them off. You have to build the club up and I always said that would be the case.

Yes you can't have everything Ani, but right now I'm not having everything, I've never had everything quite the opposite I've given everything. I've given you a set up, a team, budgets, calculations, rules, I've given you GW saving ideas for your set up and what have I got in return.

Abuse.

Di Maria, under the current rulings will end up at Manchester United. You don't run this GW Ani, as much as you'd like to, but one day you will run a GW similar to this, and after receiving my help in coming up with GW saving solutions once you set it up it will then be your right as GW owner to make these difficult decisions.

Maybe then you'll appreciate just how hard this kind of set up is to manage, maybe then you'll see how hard this is for me.

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I'm not going to go into any of the personal attacks, as I feel there is no need to show petulance in this case. However, I told you exactly what I think about the new GW I'm planning to launch, and the mere fact of you bringing it up without any context whatsoever shows me how emotionally frustrated you are.

Secondly, answer Closer's question. That's all I ask for right now.

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Ben, I believe I speak for everyone when I say that we all appreciate the work you've done here and although there have been a few disagreements, there is generally a consensus that we reach.

But, in this case, I think there is a pretty clear consensus that Di Maria should not go to United. I don't think there's a single person (other than you) who believes that Di Maria should go to United.

And for the good of the GW, I truly believe you should go with the group opinion on this case.

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Firt of all' date='I hate long posts and don't read them so sorry if it's said before

second,Ben,I understand why Di Maria wouldn't go to Roma but in that logic why Di Maria would want to go to Man Utd who have one 4th and 1st place in Div.2 and one 5th place in div.1 insted of going to Bayern who have 2nd,4th and 1st place in Div.1

third,I saw this a little down but I'm little confused,point 1 and 3 are okay but point 2 seems strange for me,a team who promoted from div.2 and have only 1 5th place in div.1 versus a team who have been in title battle almost every season and who had win it last season with big domination against other teams(Bayern)

I'm also United fan IRL but in this gw Bayern should be count as a bigger club than United[/quote']

That's not how the system works, when two clubs from the same Division bid on a player he can only go the the first bidding club from that Division, this was put in place to avoid arguing whose club is bigger and better.

Well Scrool you need to read my post, because it explains the situation very clearly, you need to read what has happened to be able to judge it.

My points of view:

1) i never really felt Di Maria was "a player of bayern i stole" that was the plot last season. i disagree to that HOWEVER since that was done and by the discussions that were happening i always thought it was up to bayern if they want the player or not. Something like first option' date=' and if they don't want to get him, then the other teams come forward. This seemed to change the last days, when i was told i will accept the first bid that will come anyway. By this factor the club for ADM is bayern.

2) if the rule says first come first served, then United came first. If the point 1 does not apply then, by this rules say that ADM goes to United.

3) If i have a preference AND it is legal, my will is to give him to Roma. I don't agree with bayern from the start, and also it seems that i do have the choice between united and roma. In terms of GW equality and competence i prefer to give Roma a big star. Also if we have to build a scenario about this, then why not Di Maria not wanting to go to his previous club, but instead face a new challenge where he is the big star in a new city/country he has not played yet, where he will be treated as god and the face around who roma will try to build a new team and make them rise up and be a legend.

These are my 3 points, but i'm not sure which one is the most "legal"[/quote']

You choose Roma because United are a rival, you have to work on the player's interests and choosing Roma sets a very dangerous precedent where I could argue Cristiano Ronaldo wants to join bottom of Division 2 for a challenge?

Look at the logic.

Another big factor(that seems to be ignored) is the fact that the current manager of Man U actually sold Di Maria' date='so,it can be STRONGLY argued,that he does not want to go back there.

Ben you seem to be ignoring logic and any reasoning why he should go elsewhere,for the sake of you getting him because you want him and its your gameworld.[/quote']

For a record fee? And I was gutted when I sold him you all know that lol...

I'm not ignoring logic at all, there are more reasons for a 94 rated player to want to join a Division 1 team than a Division 2 side who have never finished in above the bottom 2 of Division 2.

I certainly think the 3rd point is legal and logical too' date='the bigger question than 'why Di Maria would want to move down a division' is 'why would Di Maria want to move back to his previous club that dump him?' Di Maria could become the most loved player in Roma instead of just good player in star packed United team. It's logical,but one person just don't want to accept it[/quote']

They hardly dumped him, he moved to Barcelona who were a massive club, bigger than United at the time, look at the context, Barcelona sold Suarez to PSG, Barcelona were Division 1 champions that season with Di Maria, United couldn't deny him the chance to play for that club BUT HE WASN"T A RELEASE FEE PLAYER.

1. First Come First Served = United

2. Moving to Big Club D1 = Bayern

3. Moving to Smaller Club D2 = AS Roma

this is how the outcomes for release fees are for me' date='in that case I think it's Closer choice where he will sell Di Maria(the most reasonable it will be if he give ADM to Roma as they are in different divisions rather than give him to any of his title competitors)[/quote']

Moving to big club = United, we've been through this before...

IF 2 clubs from the same Division bid then the fastest bidder is the club selected for D1 or D2.

That way we can't all argue over whose club is better...

By my previous post' date=' if it up to ME, he goes to Roma and there is justifiable reasoning about it.

But i want to be sure about it, i don't want to be backfired by the creator if i do this, or make bad blood about it.

Then if it is NOT up to me, then just make a decision and tell me where to sell, but noone complaints later to me about giving him to united/bayern cause it WON'T be my choice.[/quote']

There isn't more logic in selling to Roma other than you don't want a rival in Division 1 to be stronger, which isn't a player centered reason.

You have to act on behalf of DI MARIA not Real Madrid, and if you think a player like Di Maria IRL would join a club in a 2nd Division who are always 7th or 8th and only have 1 point over a club in Division 1 who are 2nd right behind the title favourites and in a better position than his current club then name me any player that has done that in the last 5 years...

Name me any player that with no links to the smaller club has chosen a tiny club who are not performing at all well over a big club who are stable in Division 1?

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I'm not going to go into any of the personal attacks' date=' as I feel there is no need to show petulance in this case. However, I told you exactly what I think about the new GW I'm planning to launch, and the mere fact of you bringing it up without any context whatsoever shows me how emotionally frustrated you are.

Secondly, answer Closer's question. That's all I ask for right now.[/quote']

No Ani, you can't respond to anything I've said which isn't a personal attack at all, you haven't managed Roma in a way that can be successful.

It's not without context Ani when I know that you've had some discussions with managers in here about it... I'm not an idiot.

Ben' date=' I believe I speak for everyone when I say that we all appreciate the work you've done here and although there have been a few disagreements, there is generally a consensus that we reach.

But, in this case, I think there is a pretty clear consensus that Di Maria should not go to United. I don't think there's a single person (other than you) who believes that Di Maria should go to United.

And for the good of the GW, I truly believe you should go with the group opinion on this case.[/quote']

GOZZY

Yes Di Maria must end up at United,i agree with it though.

Why should he not to United and if not United then who? Because there's even less of an argument for him going to AS Roma?

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