ashtini Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 So here it is, after a few discussions with Noisy, and a quick message with Sean I have decided to try & bring back The 4 Nation Challenge. The History I was part of the original version towards the end with my famous Espanyol () but an interesting bit of history I didn't know about until Dan (sirmarkhughes) told me was that this was originally EC106 vs EC5579 vs EC7046 vs EC7345 which was a pretty cool idea. Obviously managers went and came and I joined when relatively new to forum custom setups and it has remained easily one of my favourite setups I have been involved in. The Why I was also thinking I don't run any setups on here so thought it was about time! The Concept This was originally a 20 team setup, 5 clubs from 4 nations - but at the moment I ideally would like to keep it to a 16 team setup, 4 clubs from 4 nations. The clubs would be along the lines of: Spain - Athletic Bilbao, Sevilla, Real Sociedad, Valencia. England - Southampton, Everton, Newcastle, Swansea. Italy - AC Milan, Lazio, Fiorentina, Udinese. Germany - Monchengladbach, Wolfsburg, Hanover, Hoffenheim. The gist of the setup is that the 4 clubs from each nation work together to become the highest scoring nation at the end of the season. Communicate via private groups, organise to throw games against each other to gain valuable league position points, sabotage other nations transfer targets - its up to you and your nation on how you play the game! Smut has suggested trying 6 nations of 3 teams, with I guess the other nations being France, then maybe Portugal or Netherlands. Any other suggestions welcome and open for discussion on here. Few minor setups details Starting Budget: £50m Transfers: Cash only for the first season with a view to changing later down the line. SMFA monitoring transfers: Off No loan or transfer dealings with any unmanaged clubs. The Rules Here in-lies the magic, there ain't no rules. The aim of the game is as complicated as it gets - work together with your team mates to accumulate the most amount of points, which is what I keep track of so you don't need to worry about rules! The Points Kept it very similar to the original as it worked so well. -5 points for a league victory over a rival nations team. -1 points for a draw with a rival nations team. -1 point per combined positive goal difference for each nation, for example: Results are 4-1, 1-1, 3-2, 0-2 = positive goal difference of 4. -5 points for a cup/shield win over a rival nations team. -goal points are the same for cup/shield wins. -5 points for making cup/shield semifinals. -10 points for being a losing finalist in the cup/shield. -15 points for winning the cup/shield. -10 points for winning the charity shield (from season 2). -5 points for losing finalist in charity shield -no points from any game vs a same nation team. Halfway/Final League Position Points 1. 30/60 2. 20/40 3. 18/36 4. 16/32 5. 15/30 6. 14/28 7. 13/26 8. 12/24 9. 11/22 10. 10/20 11. 9/18 12. 8/16 13. 7/14 14. 6/12 15. 5/10 16. 4/8 So even finishing bottom could make a difference! (not that is should be aimed for ) The Interested 1. Noisy (Captain) 2. drseanfitz (Captain) 3. Smut 4. Preppens 5. EdMoses 6. Ray1981 7. Matt72 (Captain) 8. Dreamers 9. Gozzy 10. Nikidinho 11. Wolfy102 12. Like_a_Boas 13. Kupest 14. Ashtini (Captain) 15. Venk 16. sirmarkhughes The Waiting List Elohim Raahizar Pedrooliveira Reverie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashtini Posted November 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 - Team Steve Noisy - Wolfsburg Alex - Monchengladbach Venk - Hanover Nikidinho - Hoffenheim - Team Sean Sean - Milan Smut - Udinese Gozzy - Fiorentina kupest - Lazio - Team Ash Athletic Club -Ashtini Real Sociedad - Ray Sevilla - sirmarkhughes Valencia - Preppens - Team Matt Newcastle - Matt Southampton - EdMoses Everton - Dreamers Swansea - Tom Own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashtini Posted November 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 Honours. Season One League Winners - Hoffenheim Cup Winners - Udinese Calcio Cup Runners Up - Real Sociedad Shield Winners - AC Milan Shield Runners Up - Athletic Club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Noisy Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 Its coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamers Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 Looking good, would love So'Ton if suggestions are being allowed ashtini 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like_A_Boas Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 You have my team request. Due to time constraints I would like to NOT be the team manager. ashtini 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdMoses Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 I think there should be team captains, and I think they should chose on a pick by pick basis whom they want in their team. That should set up some divided opinions, loyalties and rivalries nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Noisy Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 I think there should be team captains' date=' and I think they should chose on a pick by pick basis whom they want in their team. That should set up some divided opinions, loyalties and rivalries nicely.[/quote'] Oh I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prathamesh Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 I m interested to play in this league.... if the gw is full i would like to be in the waiting list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray1981 Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 Will have a proper read late (very late) tonight as at work(on my lunchbreak not skiving before I am asked ) and then it is my daughters Bday today so got lots going on today/tonight. Probably even going to miss the live showing of Liverpool in Madrid,(will watch it later mind you!) the sacrifices a father makes for his daughter!! (although TBH it might be more of a case of her saving me from witnessing the carnage!!) Seems interesting In terms of team preference I would ideally like a Spanish team if possible (dunno why but Real Sociedad is screaming out at me) as I dont currently manage any and would be a nice change.... Under NO circumstances will I manage Everton.... Thank You Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drseanfitz Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 why not get 4 team captains randomise their nations then, using the list of approved managers, get them to get their managerial team together and allocate the teams themselves to their team-mates(this could be a bargaining tool if 2 captains want the same guy) any manager not picked can be randomised to fill the empty slots (in a bit of a rush - can expand on this idea later if you want) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashtini Posted November 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 I think captains is a great idea, it was Ed that first mentioned this and I know Noisy brought it up too and I think it could work really well. Looking at the couple of responses I have had I would look at it being the below: Captains: Steve, Sean, Matt, Ray. Randomising their nation. (unless they are happy to choose one and can all agree). Letting them pick their 3 team mates - will need to look at how to go about this the right way. They can then decide between them who is which team.. With those 4 the mind games could start early in this setup MarkM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt72 Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 Exactly what job would the team captain role entail? If it is time consuming I will have to pass, if it is just a case of lording it over my team mates then I can do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashtini Posted November 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 Exactly what job would the team captain role entail? If it is time consuming I will have to pass' date=' if it is just a case of lording it over my team mates then I can do that. [/font'] Not a huge amount to it other than selecting the team you want to get together at this time. If it develops you will be informed and at that point I will be happy for it to be passed to a team-mate nominated by the current captain or team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdMoses Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 why not get 4 team captainsrandomise their nations then' date=' using the list of approved managers, get them to get their managerial team together and allocate the teams themselves to their team-mates(this could be a bargaining tool if 2 captains want the same guy) [b']any manager not picked can be randomised to fill the empty slots[/b] (in a bit of a rush - can expand on this idea later if you want) oh dear. Sure someone will take pity on you Sean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Noisy Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 I think captains is a great idea' date=' it was Ed that first mentioned this and I know Noisy brought it up too and I think it could work really well.Looking at the couple of responses I have had I would look at it being the below: Captains: Steve, Sean, Matt, Ray. Randomising their nation. (unless they are happy to choose one and can all agree). Letting them pick their 3 team mates - will need to look at how to go about this the right way. They can then decide between them who is which team.. [b'] With those 4 the mind games could start early in this setup[/b] Oh those mind games I do love them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirmarkhughes Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 Not a huge amount to it other than selecting the team you want to get together at this time. If it develops you will be informed and at that point I will be happy for it to be passed to a team-mate nominated by the current captain or team. If you watched what happened in the first season of this gameworld, you would see what a weak captain could do to the team. Anyway pop me down as in for the GW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drseanfitz Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 If you watched what happened in the first season of this gameworld' date=' you would see what a weak captain could do to the team.Anyway pop me down as in for the GW. teams Spain and Italy sirmarkhughes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikidinho Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 I think there should be team captains' date=' and I think they should chose on a pick by pick basis whom they want in their team. That should set up some divided opinions, loyalties and rivalries nicely.[/quote'] Oh definitely And I quite like Sean's idea of allocating managers and teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkM Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 Thanks for the invite, Ash. Sounds great. Count me in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirmarkhughes Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 teams Spain and Italy There were some funny moments and with it being GW supposedly battling it out to see who was best GW tensions were high, some over the top antics as well mind, some teams were hmm lets say more prepared than others haha. Poor old Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kupest Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 I am definitely in, not putting down any preferences since the captain rule will change that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdMoses Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 As i was simply unable to compute EC5579's abject failure in the original 4 Nations, my therapist taught specific coping mechanisms that allow me to realise that it in fact didnt even happen. So i look forward to the first ever 4 Nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrooliveira Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 My God, how on earth did this fill up so quick? Anyway, looks like you already have enough interested people, so have fun everybody! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashtini Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Re: The 4 Nation Challenge v.2 Had a wee think about it over night in regards to captains. I know Matt's got a lot on so was thinking of the below: Steve Sean Ray Ed Would you fine specimens be okay with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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