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The Soccerwiki "bug"

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So, everybody noticed what happened : young players turned in retired ones. 

By simply checking on Soccerwiki it was obvious what was happening: an user ( now banned ) proposed to change old players into young ones and somehow the mutation was approved. Why did he propose that? Elementary, my dear Watson.

Since they were interesting young players, by introducing them that way he would have skipped the "new player in database" way, that usually leads to expensive auctions. You don't need to be a genius to understand that.

When the "scam" was discovered, the young players were set on "retiring" on Soccerwiki and the real ones were introduced in the standard way (perphaps you didn't noticed that, but for example we have had 2 Fosu-Mensah in the database, for a while).

By simply checking that user profile, you could predict exactly which players would have been affected by this story. You didn't need to "discover" it , actually, it was in plain sight. And it took me 5 minutes . 


Now, Soccerwiki has a quite strict way to process modifications. I have an account on it but i cannot propose modifications because i'm not at..i dunno...4th level? something like that? And if you manage to propose a modification and it's not approved, you get banned or get a malus or something like that.

Ok, that's fine. Soccerwiki is strict and this keeps the quality high. I don't like Soccerwiki but at least that was a guarantee that the voting system was serious. 

Given the almost paranoic/elitaristic way that Soccerwiki has to rule who can propose  and what he can propose, i'd like to know how on earth such an abvious scam about young players has been possible. That user proposed the modifications, but the modifications were:

 

- voted

- approved

- implemented

And after some time in which innocent managers bought the fake players (just for the record, i am not one of them, this story had no effect on my team because..well...i'm not that stupid. I checked them before spending money on them, but not all the managers were so smart)...

- corrected

 

How has it been possible? 

And this is not a mundane problem. Since all the game is based on the rating, and the rating is based on Soccerwiki, all the game is based on Soccerwiki.  But nobody knows who takes decisions on Soccerwiki, who's behind it. Everything is so misterious with it  and this may be ok only until it works. So, some explaination is needed, at this point... :)

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The banned account had worked its way up high over along time, it is believed he was active on the forums several years ago.

 

SW rep system has changed over time so if his SW account was old the rep accued would of meant he had a high level to make modifications that could bypass voting.

 

I discovered the scam.

 

As a SW admin, i never saw the Mbappe or Kuki Zalazar submission.

 

The matter should now be resolved and not happen again. Nothing like this has been seen before, and following up on it there was an incident in November 2015 with Lee Seung-Woo getting on the database this way over a retired player but no one discovered it until now, and the real Lee Seung-Woo was added. 

 

As you point out, with them not appearing on any new player list, the chance of finding 3/4 players in a database of 85k+ is very slim. The manipulating account got away with in in November and clearly laid low until January and tried again - eventually getting caught out.

 

 

And your final point, yes the database is driven by SW, but the ratings are solely with SM now. Notice how the Edit rating as change to a simple up/down arrow, so therefore no actual digit rating can be selected. If you click the arrows you get a simple message, but nothing is actually recorded on your SW activity log.

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Corruption & abuse of power happens in all areas of life so good to see found & sorted in this example.

 

On another SoccerWiki area I have found it v.annoying this window how players clubs are being changed before the transfers happen. Granted most ended up going through in the days or weeks after but there are a couple like the Spanish kid Dortmund tried to sign from Osasuna which now have the wrong club. The club should only be changed when officially confirmed not rumored... It cant be hard to understand the importance of that with gameworlds starting all the time. Needs to stop. 

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SW rep system has changed over time so if his SW account was old the rep accued would of meant he had a high level to make modifications that could bypass voting.

 

I discovered the scam.

 

As a SW admin, i never saw the Mbappe or Kuki Zalazar submission.

 

The matter should now be resolved and not happen again. 

etc

Ok, If i understood correctly, since he had an old account with an high rep, he could bypass voting by directly modify the players, withouth submitting them, is it right? 

I don't know about the old ones but i'm sure the last ones were on the voting list , infact i arrived to the user from the voting list , just because i noticed that they were proposed by the same user, he had an easy to remember nickname. And his proposals had a lot of "thumb up" votes, they were high in the list , but since it looks those players didn't "mutate" ( i took note of them ot see what was going to happen and inform GW owner,  to take some actions in that case ) i think you stopped the thing before the final step. 

But i hope you'll agree that is not very clear how the whole SW thing work, for the SM users: it's not very transparent  as a community...site...thing. This SW problem arrived in a difficult phase for SM and perhaps an official statement by SM about what happened would help SM users to understand . You answered in this thread explaining how this scam has been possible, but the problem is that we needed a thread on the forum to obtain something close to an  official answer. 

If an official answer exists yet , i beg you pardon and skip this answer. But while i may have missed it, i see a lot of players asking everywhere, from GW news wall to SW pages, "what happened?", so i think no answer arrived yet and that' s why i started this thread. 

I see many SM users that are angry with SW for this story - and those who ignore SW existence are angry directly with SM, like this game needed more problems now - and perhaps it's the right time for the delevoppers to explain to all the SM community the whole SW/SM thing, which community is in charge of what, and so on. 

This time it's not a bug, a subjective opinion on the UI or on the engine, or some kind of algorithm of the game of unclear working. This time is a scam that affected many players and all the GWs and people feel betrayed by the game: as you said, it was something never seen before, so this time i think it's important for the devs to show they care , this time i think that "we solved it, we flagged it, stay calm an keep on playing" isn't enough as an anwer. :)

These are my 2 cents and perhaps i'm the only one thinking this way, but i don't think that  having a little more connection with players will hurt the game... :)

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