tupac_healy 1,696 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Cvilhete said: Why do people insist on discussing matters they clearly know nothing about? Oh no, I'm sorry! You are one of those people who thinks 2nd place should get some sort of trophy? Nowhere near Juve means, although yes they have finished 2nd, they haven't laid a glove on Juve, it's you my friend that clearly knows nothing about actual football Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tupac_healy 1,696 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 39 minutes ago, Amar said: If De Ligt moves to Juventus is that a good move SM wise? Is it possible for him to become a 95 rated defender at Juventus? De Ligt can get 101 at Juve if Koulibaly can get 94! whythefeckdidntbernatrise, Milanista1 and TMNT 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
samfarrow 49 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 Asked the question before but just curious for any more responses / changed minds I have a lot of midfielders who I'll struggle to keep so if anyone could rank them / rate them out of 100 for long term potential I'd really appreciate it. Ndombele Frenkie de Jong Rodri Havertz Aouar Arthur Fabian Ruiz Neves Thank you in advance! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgos2 1,704 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Toby S said: I don't watch Napoli, any chance of an Allan +1 like Rahul has planned or no? 90% chance in a few hours 1 hour ago, HoochyKoochy said: @rahul Fabian Ruiz ? not due a rise? Will def get. 14 hours ago, errrrerrre said: 10 hours ago, Emy Ionescu said: Hi guys, Rodrigo de Paul + Sebastian Rudy for Maxi Gomez? First 2 are mine. Thanks! I would. De Paul may end up at Fiorentina unlikely riser there. 2 hours ago, errrrerrre said: O. Dembele +1 = 91? (36 milion price) ?S. Niguez + 1?José GIMÉNEZ +1? Maxi GÓMEZ + 1? Maybe the last 2 deserve. Niguez no reason to rise. Dembele stabbed by Barca but I guess has a chance. On 7/1/2019 at 6:03 AM, Matthaios96 said: Does anyone think that Cancelo could get a rise? Great breakthrough season at Juve and possible transfer to Man City Thanks! I wouldn't. Juve sold cause they can get better replacement. They might rise from hype Milanista1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HoochyKoochy 196 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, jgos2 said: @jgos2 fabian ruiz Napoli Will def get. Get what though :))) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Milanista1 2,048 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 14 hours ago, Amar said: If De Ligt moves to Juventus is that a good move SM wise? Is it possible for him to become a 95 rated defender at Juventus? Yes it is a good move as he has a strong chance of winning the league and cup there, then lets say in the PL. He has clearly shown he has a very high ceiling. 95, its a bit early to predict such a rating. First he should adapt/be consistent in Italy for seasons to come, and win a few trophies in order to reach such a rating, quicker. He certainly the potential! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Milanista1 2,048 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 5 hours ago, HoochyKoochy said: @rahul Fabian Ruiz ? not due a rise? A +1 would be suffice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WeAreBlades98 31 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 Are Napoli changes tommorow? Confused because koudibaly got a rise yesterday Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Milanista1 2,048 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) On 7/2/2019 at 8:35 PM, tupac_healy said: That's like saying it's not Pogba's fault Utd don't win anything and missed out on top 4, dead wrong, he has to shoulder a lot of the blame, the BIG players at these clubs have to stand up and be accountable How is it not Koulibaly's fault? He gets PAID to play for them! Surely if hes 'one of the best defenders in the world' they can win SOMETHING! they are in for about 4 trophies at the start of each season and are nowhere near Juve in the league in the last 5 or so years..... Anyhow, you'll notice I said at the outset he's a top defender l, but for 94 you'd really want to be putting trophies on the table Koulibaly has probably been the best the defender in Italy for a few years now. His consistency, plus helping Napoli finish in the top 2 for the past few seasons i believe has got him a +1 to 94. Consider he is close to 30, so he wont have too many years at the highest level after that. Koulibaly can't be blamed if Napoli's attack can't score enough to win games/see out games thus increasing their chances of winning a league title/cup. Napoli are not too far from Juve (you make them sound like a Fiorentina or some team of that level). On the other hand Pogba has hit hot or cold since moving back to MU, at times he's been a real liability, such a player doesn't deserve a +1. Although i do admit other players have also let MU down, but unlike Pogba they do not have the superstar talent that we know Pogba has. Edited July 8, 2019 by Milanista1 Added more yucky, TMNT, zsp2 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zsp2 513 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 10 hours ago, Toby S said: I don't watch Napoli, any chance of an Allan +1 like Rahul has planned or no? He deserves it 9 hours ago, HoochyKoochy said: @rahul Fabian Ruiz ? not due a rise? Yes, he is a starter for Napoli 19 minutes ago, WeAreBlades98 said: Are Napoli changes tommorow? Confused because koudibaly got a rise yesterday Or tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, SM is reviewing really slow, tomorrow is for sure Atalanta's turn P.S. I got surprise too by KK rise, but he is one of the best defensor in Italy, always one of the greatest in Napoli team, I'm happy to see they did even if the team hasn't won a trophy Milanista1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Rahul 7,792 Posted July 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 On 10/25/2016 at 12:12 PM, Sir Rahul said: ITALY SERIE A Juventus: Kean +2 to 84- +1 to 83 Szczesny +1 to 91 Costa -1 to 91 Khedira -1 to 91 Bentancur +1 to 90 De Sciglio +1 to 90 Cuadrado -1 to 90 Barzagli -1 to 88 Napoli: Allan +1 to 92 Hysaj +1 to 91 Milik +1 to 90 Maksimovic +1 to 88 Malcuit +1 to 88 Chiriches -1 to 87 Meret +1 to 86 Ounas +1 to 86 Luperto +1 to 84 Koulibaly +1 to 94 Atalanta: Zapata +1 to 90- yes Castagne +1 to 87- +2 to 88 Hateboer +1 to 88 Masiello +1 to 88 Mancini +2 to 87 Gollini +2 to 87 Gosens +1 to 87 Djimsiti +2 to 85 Vido +1 to 83 Haas +1 to 83 Carraro +2 to 82 Melegoni +4 to 80 Asmah +2 to 78 Mallamo +2 to 75 Inter: Nainggolan -1 to 92- yes Politano +1 to 90- yes Miranda -1 to 90- yes Martinez +1 to 89- yes Brozovic +1 to 92 De Vrij +1 to 92 D'Ambrosio +1 to 90 Karamoh +1 to 86 Mario -1 to 89 Vrsaljko -1 to 89 Barbosa +1 to 88 Candreva -1 to 88 Dalbert -1 to 87 Ranocchia -1 to 86 Emmers +2 to 78 Pompetti +3 to 73 Colidio +3 to 73 Milan: Romagnoli +1 to 91- yes Kessie +1 to 90- yes Bonaventura -1 to 90- yes Calabria +1 to 89- yes Paqueta +1 to 89- yes Biglia -1 to 89- yes Bertolacci -1 to 87- yes Montolivo -1 to 86- yes Piatek +1 to 89- +2 to 90 Suso +1 to 91- nope Bakayoko +1 to 90- nope Musacchio +1 to 90- nope Cutrone +1 to 89- nope Reina -2 to 87 A. Donnarumma -2 to 80 Gabbia +3 to 78 Pobega +3 to 73 Roma: Perotti -1 to 89- yes Jesus -1 to 88- yes Zaniolo +6 to 86- +3 to 83; +5 to 88 Cristante +1 to 90- nope Olsen +1 to 89- nope Pastore -1 to 89 Marcano -1 to 88 Peres -1 to 88 De Rossi -2 to 88 Ponce +2 to 85 Torino: Izzo +1 to 89- yes Aina +2 to 87- +1 to 86 Moretti +1 to 87- nope Berenguer +1 to 86- nope N'Koulou +1 to 89 Sirigu +1 to 89 Zaza -1 to 89 Lukic +2 to 85 Gustafson +2 to 82 Carlao -1 to 82 Rosati -1 to 82 Segre +5 to 78 Buongiorno +2 to 78 De Luca +2 to 77 Candellone +1 to 77 Lazio: Felipe +1 to 86- yes Acerbi +1 to 90- nope Strakosha +1 to 90- nope Radu +1 to 90- nope Marusic +1 to 90- nope Correa +1 to 90- nope Patric +1 to 85- nope Parolo -1 to 89 Badelj -1 to 89 Wallace -1 to 87 Basta -1 to 85 Vargic -1 to 82 Di Gennaro -1 to 82 Anderson +8 to 78 Neto +3 to 78 Jordan +1 to 78 Sampdoria: Quagliarella +1 to 90- yes Audero +2 to 87- yes Colley +1 to 87- yes Andersen +2 to 88- +1 to 87 Defrel +1 to 89- nope Murru +1 to 88- nope Ekdal +1 to 88- nope Sala +1 to 87- nope Saponara -1 to 87- nope Sau -1 to 85 Barreto -2 to 85 Bologna: Pulgar +1 to 88- yes Sansone -1 to 88- yes Santander +1 to 87- yes Mbaye +1 to 86- yes Orsolini +2 to 85- +3 to 86 Skorupski +1 to 88- nope Palacio +1 to 87- nope Soriano -1 to 87- nope Dijks +1 to 86- nope Calabresi +2 to 84- nope Donsah -1 to 86 Lyanco +3 to 85 Avenatti +2 to 85 Da Costa -1 to 83 Crisetig -2 to 83 Rizzo -2 to 82 Michael +5 to 80 Sassuolo: Magnani +2 to 85- yes Sensi +1 to 87- +2 to 88 Demihral +2 to 85- +4 to 87 Rogerio +2 to 87- +1 to 86 Bourabia +3 to 86- +2 to 85 Boga +1 to 84- +2 to 85 Lirola +1 to 88- nope Ferrari +1 to 88- nope Peluso +1 to 86- nope Djuricic +1 to 86- nope Consigli -1 to 87 Babacar -1 to 87 Lemos -1 to 86 Matri -2 to 83 Bandinelli +2 to 82 Frattesi +2 to 80 Broh +1 to 78 Pierini +1 to 78 Tripaldelli +3 to 76 Udinese: Teodorcyzk -1 to 87- yes Musso +3 to 86- yes Troost-Ekong +1 to 86- yes Wilmot +2 to 77- +3 to 78 Fofana +1 to 88- nope Lasagna +1 to 88- nope Mandragora +1 to 88- nope Larsen +1 to 87- nope Nuytinck +1 to 86- nope D'Alessandro +1 to 85- nope Ter Avest +1 to 83- nope Opoku +2 to 82- nope De Paul +1 to 89 Machis +1 to 85 Hallfredsson -1 to 85 Badu -1 to 84 Iniguez -2 to 78 SPAL: Fares +1 to 87- yes Vicari +1 to 86- yes Bonifazi +3 to 85- yes Cionek +1 to 86- nope Antenucci +1 to 86- nope Schiattarella +1 to 86- nope Gomis +1 to 86- nope Valoti +1 to 84- nope Paloschi -1 to 86 Viviano -1 to 86 Regini -1 to 85 Valdifiori -2 to 83 Djourou -2 to 83 Finotto +2 to 82 Floccari -1 to 81 Esposito +3 to 73 Parma: Sepe +1 to 86- yes Bastoni +3 to 83- yes Barilla +2 to 85- +1 to 84 Iacoponi +3 to 85- +1 to 83 Gagliolo +1 to 86- nope Siligardi +2 to 85- nope Stulac +1 to 85- nope Scozzarella +1 to 84- nope Biabiany -1 to 84 Machin +3 to 83 Dezi -1 to 83 Gobbi -1 to 83 Dimarco +2 to 82 Galano -2 to 82 Cagliari: Pellegrini +1 to 78- +3 to 80 Pedro +1 to 88- nope Ionita +1 to 87- nope Ceppitelli +1 to 87- nope Pisacane +1 to 86- nope Barella +1 to 90 Cragno +1 to 89 Castro -1 to 87 Klavan -1 to 86 Birsa -1 to 86 Padoin -1 to 86 Walukiewicz +4 to 80 Oliva +2 to 80 Ragatzu -2 to 78 Fiorentina: Milenkovic +1 to 89- yes Lafont +1 to 88- yes Fernandes +2 to 87- +1 to 86 Biraghi +1 to 89- nope Gerson +1 to 88- nope Hugo +1 to 88- nope Ceccherini +1 to 86- nope Saponara -1 to 87 Mirallas -1 to 86 Thereau -3 to 83 Ranieri +9 to 82 Hancko +2 to 82 Vlahovic +1 to 78 Sottil +2 to 77 Gori +3 to 76 Genoa: Rolon +2 to 82- yes Romero +4 to 84- +6 to 86 Koaume +2 to 87- +1 to 86 Biraschi +2 to 87- +1 to 86 Radu +3 to 86- +2 to 85 Lazovic +1 to 87- nope Bessa +1 to 86- nope Pereira +2 to 84- nope Gunter +2 to 82- nope Sturaro -1 to 87 Lapadula -1 to 86 Zukanovic -1 to 86 Veloso -1 to 85 Jandrei +1 to 83 Marchetti -2 to 83 Spolli -2 to 83 Valietti +3 to 76 Zennaro +3 to 76 Zanimacchia +2 to 75 Empoli: Caputo +1 to 86- yes Dragowski +1 to 83- yes Rasmussen +2 to 82- yes Di Lorenzo +1 to 85- +3 to 87 Bennacer +1 to 86- +2 to 87 Traore +2 to 84- +3 to 85 Veseli +2 to 85- nope Provedel +1 to 84- nope Krunic +1 to 87 Silvestre -1 to 86 Acquah -1 to 85 Pajac +1 to 83 Capezzi -1 to 83 Maietta -1 to 83 Buchel -2 to 83 Antonelli -3 to 83 Lollo -1 to 82 Brighi -2 to 80 Meli +3 to 73 Frosinone: Beghetto +1 to 84- yes Pinamonti +2 to 82- +3 to 83 Dionisi -1 to 84- -2 to 83 Chibsah +1 to 85- nope Capuano +1 to 85- nope Maiello +1 to 85- nope Zampano +1 to 85- nope Sportiello -1 to 87 Molinaro -2 to 83 Ariaudo -2 to 83 Sammarco -1 to 82 Brighenti -1 to 82 Iacobucci -1 to 82 Matarese +1 to 76 Trotta -3 to 83 Besea +2 to 75 Volpe +2 to 75 Gori +2 to 70 Chievo: Depaoli +1 to 85- yes Leris +3 to 80- +5 to 82 Vignato +2 to 75- +5 to 78 Barba +1 to 85- nope Rigoni +1 to 85- nope Jaroszynski +1 to 83- nope Hetemaj -1 to 85 Sorrentino -1 to 85 Giachherini -2 to 85 Obi -1 to 84 Pucciarelli -1 to 84 Andreolli -2 to 83 Tomovic -2 to 83 Djordjevic -1 to 82 Seculin -2 to 80 Rodriguez -2 to 80 Yamga +1 to 78 Rigione -3 to 77 Burruchaga +5 to 73 Isufaj +3 to 73 Grubac +3 to 73 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tupac_healy 1,696 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Milanista1 said: Koulibaly has probably been the best the defender in italy for a few years now. The consistency, plus helping Napoli finish in the top 2 for last few seasons i believe has got him a +1 to 94. He is close to 30, so he wont have too many years at the highest level after that. Koulibaly can't be blamed if Napoli's attack can't score enough to win games/see out games thus increasing there chances of winning a league title/cup. On the other hand Pogba has blown hot and cold since moving back to MU, at times he's been a liability, such a player doesn't deserve a +1. Again..... the point I was making, gone way over your head......... In very basic simple terms, my point is Koulibaly got 94 on the back of a load of hype, which is true as he doesn't have the trophies to back it up, so again MY POINT WAS TROPHIES DON'T MATTER... I was not arguing who deserves what rise, for the love of god, I've never disagreed that Koulibaly ain't world class, and I used Pogba to MAKE MY POINT, again, I agree that Pogba 100% shouldn't get a rise, in fact i argued in this thread he was closer the drop! But again, he, Lingard and even VVD, HYPE! Yes VVD won 1 champions league, fair play.. 92-93 would have been fine for that, he got that +1 on HYPE! That's the ONLY point I've been making, Koulibaly is top drawer (IMO 92-93 max without trophies) same for Pogba, same for VVD.... Again, I stress the importance of winning trophies has been take out of the ratings system, it used to matter but obviously not anymore. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
congola 13 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 does anyone think skrinair has a chance of rising? marquions & koulaby got rises. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vitor_mfc 3,862 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 13 hours ago, Amar said: If De Ligt moves to Juventus is that a good move SM wise? Is it possible for him to become a 95 rated defender at Juventus? Why wouldn't he? Bonucci got it, so i don't see any reason he'll not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vitor_mfc 3,862 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 12 hours ago, tupac_healy said: De Ligt can get 101 at Juve if Koulibaly can get 94! Well De Gea got to 95 at a very subpar Man Utd because he's quality, or was, so i don't see why a player like Koulibaly can't rise in quality alone. Milanista1 and RhysMorgan 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Milanista1 2,048 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, congola said: does anyone think skrinair has a chance of rising? marquions & koulaby got rises Yes, but i see it more possibly in the next review because he has not played at a consistent, high level long enough (a couple of seasons) for an increase. The two you mentioned play for a better team than Inter, and usually finish in the top 2 of their league. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RhysMorgan 146 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 56 minutes ago, vitor_mfc said: Well De Gea got to 95 at a very subpar Man Utd because he's quality, or was, so i don't see why a player like Koulibaly can't rise in quality alone. Agreed but should he really be the best rated keeper. I'm not disputing he is one of the best but is oblak maybe not on par? Seems harsh that De gea can get 95 at United because of their status despite their form when he can't Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KERSPALT! 287 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 Before last season DeGea was unbelievable, he definitely deserved 95. Obviously not great last season and cost points, if that continues he'll drop. Lowco 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nivea 185 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, RhysMorgan said: Agreed but should he really be the best rated keeper. I'm not disputing he is one of the best but is oblak maybe not on par? Seems harsh that De gea can get 95 at United because of their status despite their form when he can't De gea gets more attention because united defence is not as good as atletico and he performed really well for several seasons compared to one not so good season. De gea at 95 is OK for me. In term of skill, I believe oblak and even allison are not below de gea. I think allison also has more attention compared to oblak seeing number of clean sheets he had this season, several crucial saves to win the UCL and performes well in copa america so I will not really surprised if allison gets 95 faster but due to hype rather than better in skill than oblak. Sadly oblak just not getting enough attention to reach 95, not to mention his national team way below the other two Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Toby S 186 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 14 hours ago, samfarrow said: Asked the question before but just curious for any more responses / changed minds I have a lot of midfielders who I'll struggle to keep so if anyone could rank them / rate them out of 100 for long term potential I'd really appreciate it. Ndombele Frenkie de Jong Rodri Havertz Aouar Arthur Fabian Ruiz Neves Thank you in advance! I'd definitely keep De Jong, Havertz, Arthur and Rodri. All have massive potential and at big clubs/moving to big clubs. Ruiz, Neves and Aouar have potential but at smaller clubs so less opportunity to rise...If I had to sell one it'd probably be Neves. Soccahappy and samfarrow 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Milanista1 2,048 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 14 hours ago, samfarrow said: Asked the question before but just curious for any more responses / changed minds I have a lot of midfielders who I'll struggle to keep so if anyone could rank them / rate them out of 100 for long term potential I'd really appreciate it. Ndombele Frenkie de Jong Rodri Havertz Aouar Arthur Fabian Ruiz Neves Thank you in advance! Not easy to rank some of these players by any means: K.Harvetz - For me he is the best young midfielder in the world right now. Love watching him play! FDJ/Rodri Ndombele/Arthur Aouar Neves F.Ruiz samfarrow and Yuasa 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Milanista1 2,048 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 On 7/3/2019 at 10:22 AM, tupac_healy said: 7 5 hours ago, tupac_healy said: Again..... the point I was making, gone way over your head......... In very basic simple terms, my point is Koulibaly got 94 on the back of a load of hype, which is true as he doesn't have the trophies to back it up, so again MY POINT WAS TROPHIES DON'T MATTER... I was not arguing who deserves what rise, for the love of god, I've never disagreed that Koulibaly ain't world class, and I used Pogba to MAKE MY POINT, again, I agree that Pogba 100% shouldn't get a rise, in fact i argued in this thread he was closer the drop! But again, he, Lingard and even VVD, HYPE! Yes VVD won 1 champions league, fair play.. 92-93 would have been fine for that, he got that +1 on HYPE! That's the ONLY point I've been making, Koulibaly is top drawer (IMO 92-93 max without trophies) same for Pogba, same for VVD.... Again, I stress the importance of winning trophies has been take out of the ratings system, it used to matter but obviously not anymore. Dear Tupac_healy, "Look, Koulibaly as fine a defender as he is, and let's face it, he is..... is a complete farce at 94"! Your words seem to underate KK as a defender. "I was not arguing who deserves what rise". We are talking rating, and rises here. Look I don't think your point is over my head. I agree with you that many players deserve to rise if their team wins trophies/cups during the season, and if that player is playing consistently well during the season. I agree SM seem to be ignoring the trophy element beofre rising some players (which i think is kind of good for players like KK). I also agree with you that SM have fast tracked a few players to a higher rating (such as the likes of Allison, Neres, FJD and Lingaard). I must STRESS that I believe it's unfair for a player like Koulibaly not to ever reach to a 94 (someday) in his SM lifetime (whether he wins a trophy or not), just because those ahead of him can't score enough goals/see out games in order for him to actually win a title/cup. Say If he played for a Juventus, Liverpool or M.City we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. I only disagree with you in that i don't think KK was hyped to his rating. He deserves it whether he plays for a Napoli or a Arsenal, because of his years of consistency at the highest level. Good day Tupac_healy. tupac_healy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Milanista1 2,048 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 Kylian Mbappe = G.Jesus + J.Felix + 40M. Should I accept? I have Mbappe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Louis Cower 430 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 33 minutes ago, Milanista1 said: Kylian Mbappe = G.Jesus + J.Felix + 40M. Should I accept? I have Mbappe. Are you insane? Keep Mbappe as long as SM lives shangar, thorgan lesar and TMCosta 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nivea 185 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 45 minutes ago, Milanista1 said: Kylian Mbappe = G.Jesus + J.Felix + 40M. Should I accept? I have Mbappe. Of course not shangar 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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