thorgan lesar 2,791 Posted August 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 Jupiler Pro League Speeldag 3 Friday Zulte Waregem - Club Brugge KV 1-2 0-1 Dennis, 0-2 Vossen pen, 1-2 Leya Iseka Saturday KAS Eupen - KV Kortrijk 1-2 0-1 Stojanovic, 0-2 Chevalier, 1-2 Lotiès Lokeren OSV - Excel Moeskroen 0-2 0-1 Awoniyi, 0-2 Mohammed KV Oostende - Waasland-Beveren 0-3 0-1 Ampomah, 0-2 Gano and 0-3 KV Mechelen - KAA Gent 1-1 0-1 Kalu, 1-1 Matthys Summaries of the games saturday Sunday Antwerp FC - KRC Genk 3-5 0-1 Samatta, 0-2 Trossard, 0-3 Schrijvers, 1-3 Dequevy, 1-4 Samatta 1-5 Arslanagic own, 2-5 Owusu, 3-5 Arslanagic Charleroi SC - RSC Anderlecht 2-0 1-0 Baby, 2-0 Benavente STVV - Standard Luik 1-0 1-0 Boli Summaries of the games sunday Topscorers Emmanuel Dennis 4 Zinho Gano 4 Mbwana Samatta 3 Siebe Schrijvers 3 Jonathan Bolingi 2 More players Assists Peter Olayinka 3 Samuel Asamoah 2 Kalifa Coulibaly 2 Reda Jaadi 2 Ryota Morioka 2 More players Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thorgan lesar 2,791 Posted August 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Classement after 3 weeks of football Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thorgan lesar 2,791 Posted August 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Belgians in abroad England Manchester United – West Ham United 4-0 1-0 Romelu Lukaku and 2-0 Chelsea FC – Burnley FC 2-3 Assist Steven Defour on the 2-3 The Netherlands Ado Den Haag – Utrecht FC 0-3 0-1 Cyriel Dessers and 0-2 Italy SuperCup: Juventus FC – Lazio Roma 2-3 Assist Jordan Lukaku on the 2-3 TOP 2 IN THIS WEEKEND 1- Romelu Lukaku 2- Jordan Lukaku Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thorgan lesar 2,791 Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 On 4/08/2017 at 10:36 PM, 1000dB said: Going from knocking out Spurs to being beaten by Altach must be a bitter pill for Gent. Not expecting that we'll replicate or even improve upon last season's results but this season we could end up undoing the hard work of previous years. Holland is just one of the countries we could lose ground to. I'm more bothered about Turkey and Ukraine. We should have overtaken the latter last year (lost out on top seed status during the CL draw) and we would have overtaken them already if less points had been spilled in the last 5 years. Especially now that overtaking Portugal is within reach and Russia isn't too far off Belgian clubs should be salivating at the prospect of an extra CL spot. Hoping another upset happens and somehow Zenit fail (probably won't happen). Braga almost were knocked out. A shame really, would have been a big boost. Wh Where stands The Netherlands ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1000dB 410 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 http://www.footballseeding.com/country-ranking/a2018-2019/ 11th (I looked ahead to show Belgium is close to an extra CL spot; if points hadn't been spilled it would have been much more likely; Zenit losing a game helps but Utrecht knocking them out in Russia would give us a big boost). This is the ranking for the current year: http://www.footballseeding.com/country-ranking/a2017-2018/ This graph is updated almost instantly: thorgan lesar 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kieran_S91 7,127 Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Thoughts on Cyriel Dessers? Scored 22 goals for Breda last season, only rated 78 on SM another goal haul like that for Utrecht this season and he should go 80 and beyond. Just wondered if anyone in this thread has seen him play and weather he's got a decent future or not? @1000dB @thorgan lesar Thanks in advance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thorgan lesar 2,791 Posted August 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 On 8/17/2017 at 8:44 PM, Kierans91 said: Thoughts on Cyriel Dessers? Scored 22 goals for Breda last season, only rated 78 on SM another goal haul like that for Utrecht this season and he should go 80 and beyond. Just wondered if anyone in this thread has seen him play and weather he's got a decent future or not? @1000dB @thorgan lesar Thanks in advance Don't think he will break through He just comes from second division in The Netherlands. So he will need a bit time to adapt. In The Netherlands there is more space, so that will make it easier for him in The Netherlands then in Belgium. Kieran_S91 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thorgan lesar 2,791 Posted August 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 23 hours ago, 1000dB said: http://www.footballseeding.com/country-ranking/a2018-2019/ 11th (I looked ahead to show Belgium is close to an extra CL spot; if points hadn't been spilled it would have been much more likely; Zenit losing a game helps but Utrecht knocking them out in Russia would give us a big boost). This is the ranking for the current year: http://www.footballseeding.com/country-ranking/a2017-2018/ This graph is updated almost instantly: Hello, what a graphic ! Thanks for your answer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thorgan lesar 2,791 Posted August 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Jupiler Pro League Speeldag 4 Friday Standard Luik - Zulte Waregem 0-4 0-1 De Pauw, 0-2 Kaya, 0-3 Olayinka, 0-4 Kaya pen, Saturday KV Mechelen - Antwerp FC 1-2 0-1 Duplus, 1-1 Hassane Bandé, 1-2 Haroun KAS Eupen - KV Oostende 2-1 1-0 Leye, 1-1 Jonckheere, 2-1 Ocansey Waasland-Beveren - Lokeren OSV 2-3 0-1 Marzo, 0-2 Miric, 0-3 Terki, 1-3 Ampomah, 2-3 Camacho KRC Genk - Charleroi SC 0-1 0-1 Berge owngoal, Sunday RSC Anderlecht - STVV 2-3 1-0 M.Bruno, 1-1 Boli, 1-2 Legear, 1-3 Boli, 2-3 Teodorzcyk Excel Moeskroen - KAA Gent 3-2 0-1 Dejaegere, 0-2 Sylla, 1-2 Mohamed, 2-2 Govea, 3-2 Bolingi pen, KV Kortrijk - Club Brugge 1-2 0-1 Vossen pen, 0-2 Diaby, 1-2 Lepoint Topscorers Zinho Gano 4 Emmanuel Dennis 4 Yohann Boli 3 Jonathan Bolingi 3 Mbwana Samatta 3 More players Assists Ryota Morioka 4 Peter Olayinka 4 Samy Kehli 3 Christophe Lepoint 3 Samuel Asamoah 3 More players Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1000dB 410 Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Essevee back on top ... with lots of Belgians. I heard that Hamalainen already qualifies as home-grown while Olayinka and Doumbia need an extra year or 2 to qualify. TBH the home-grown rule is very soft (IIRC only 6 in the squad need to be registered for at least 3 years at a Belgian club before turning 23yo). Louwagie crying this is too strict is nonsense. Zee Germans during their "reboot" demanded more of German clubs and it paid off handsomely (likewise in Spain, France and so on). There are hardly any countries with more legionnaires than Belgium (Belgians are outnumbered by legionnaires and only a few make the starting line-up). Well there's England and considering their vast resources they're very much punching below their weight (spending twice as much as the Germans during their reboot but with horribly underwhelming results). Turkey as well is betting on legionnaires and their future isn't as bright as that of Germany, France, Spain, etc. Louwagie claims the Belgian home-grown rule harms Belgian clubs in Europe. Huh? Uefa's home-grown rule demands that 8 (instead of 6) players on the squad list are home-grown + 4 of them from the club's own youth system + home-grown is defined as players that have trained at least three years between the age of 15 and 21 at e.g. a Belgian club (instead of 23yo). Not only a lack of trust in youth, while Gent have a bigger talentpool as it's a larger city than most in the Pro League, Louwagie also ignores the fact that Belgium's home-grown rule isn't even as strict as Uefa's. Has Louwagie already forgotten that Gent won the title with a core of Belgian players (the likes of Kums, Foket, Sels, et al.), the first title in over a 100 years of club history and that those guys did well in the CL (advancing to the KO stages) ... SMH. A slap in the face of those involved in youth development and a valid reason for youth talents wanting to leave asap. Flipping third-rate legionnaires is NOT a vision for Belgian football. Gent lost a lot of sympathy. PS 1 (one) Belgian flag, fvcking hell, Standard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thorgan lesar 2,791 Posted August 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 10 hours ago, 1000dB said: Essevee back on top ... with lots of Belgians. I heard that Hamalainen already qualifies as home-grown while Olayinka and Doumbia need an extra year or 2 to qualify. TBH the home-grown rule is very soft (IIRC only 6 in the squad need to be registered for at least 3 years at a Belgian club before turning 23yo). Louwagie crying this is too strict is nonsense. Zee Germans during their "reboot" demanded more of German clubs and it paid off handsomely (likewise in Spain, France and so on). There are hardly any countries with more legionnaires than Belgium (Belgians are outnumbered by legionnaires and only a few make the starting line-up). Well there's England and considering their vast resources they're very much punching below their weight (spending twice as much as the Germans during their reboot but with horribly underwhelming results). Turkey as well is betting on legionnaires and their future isn't as bright as that of Germany, France, Spain, etc. Louwagie claims the Belgian home-grown rule harms Belgian clubs in Europe. Huh? Uefa's home-grown rule demands that 8 (instead of 6) players on the squad list are home-grown + 4 of them from the club's own youth system + home-grown is defined as players that have trained at least three years between the age of 15 and 21 at e.g. a Belgian club (instead of 23yo). Not only a lack of trust in youth, while Gent have a bigger talentpool as it's a larger city than most in the Pro League, Louwagie also ignores the fact that Belgium's home-grown rule isn't even as strict as Uefa's. Has Louwagie already forgotten that Gent won the title with a core of Belgian players (the likes of Kums, Foket, Sels, et al.), the first title in over a 100 years of club history and that those guys did well in the CL (advancing to the KO stages) ... SMH. A slap in the face of those involved in youth development and a valid reason for youth talents wanting to leave asap. Flipping third-rate legionnaires is NOT a vision for Belgian football. Gent lost a lot of sympathy. PS 1 (one) Belgian flag, fvcking hell, Standard Brian Hamalaïnen isn't qualified for the homegrown rule, because he was on his 21 years old for the first time in Belgium as professional footballer. You're right about Michel Louwagie (manager of KAA Gent for who doesn't know), but I think he says this, because KAA Gent has the same problems with the Belgian nationality. He says this in self-interest. I don't think you need to take this seriously. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1000dB 410 Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 9 hours ago, thorgan lesar said: Brian Hamalaïnen isn't qualified for the homegrown rule, because he was on his 21 years old for the first time in Belgium as professional footballer. You're right about Michel Louwagie (manager of KAA Gent for who doesn't know), but I think he says this, because KAA Gent has the same problems with the Belgian nationality. He says this in self-interest. I don't think you need to take this seriously. Thanks, I heard that Hamalaïnen qualified as HG (Belgian rule) from a Zulte-fan but he could have been talking sh1t (although it wouldn't surprise me if the KBVB was lenient in his case; even when Uefa won't regard him as locally-trained). The thing with Louwagie making that statement is that the people involved in youth development and probably the talents training in their youth academy won't feel a lot of support. As I said it's a slap in their faces. We need better bobos (bigwigs) in charge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thorgan lesar 2,791 Posted August 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Classement after 4 weeks of football Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thorgan lesar 2,791 Posted August 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Hello, I've seen already some questions about possible risers for in the game. I add today the new selection "Possible Risers" in the Opening Post. The goal is to give you possible risers after each 5 games in Belgium. Yesterday we finished Speeldag 4, so next week the first possible risers here in this tread about the Belgian players in Belgium and Abroad. Roachy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kieran_S91 7,127 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 47 minutes ago, thorgan lesar said: Hello, I've seen already some questions about possible risers for in the game. I add today the new selection "Possible Risers" in the Opening Post. The goal is to give you possible risers after each 5 games in Belgium. Yesterday we finished Speeldag 4, so next week the first possible risers here in this tread about the Belgian players in Belgium and Abroad. Louis Bostyn in for a rise I guess? Seems as though he's Zulte's first choice goalkeeper this season. Absolute bargain for 360k too!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thorgan lesar 2,791 Posted August 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Belgians in Abroad England Swansea City - Manchester United 0-4 0-2 Romelu Lukaku Liverpool FC - Crystal Palace 1-0 Clean sheet for Simon Mignolet Germany VFL Wolfsburg - Borussia Dortmund 0-3 Debut for Landry Dimata (19 yrs old), played the last 45 minutes for VFL Wolfsburg Hertha BSC - VFB Stuttgart 2-0 First match on the highest level for Orel Mangala (19 yrs old), played 90 minutes for VFB Stuttgart Italy Sassuolo - Genoa 0-0 First match on the highest level for Stéphane Oméonga (21 yrs old), played 15 minutes for Genoa France Troyes - FC Nantes 0-1 Debut for Yassine El Ghanassy (28 yrs old), played 5 minutes for FC Nantes Spain Deportivo La Coruna - Real Madrid Debut for Zakkaria Bakkali (21 yrs old), played 55 minutes for Deportivo The Netherlands FC Utrecht - Willem II 1-0 1-0 Cyriel Dessers Debut for Ismael Azzaoui (19 yrs old), played 75 minutes for Willem II Excelsior - Feyenoord 0-1 Debut for Wout Faes (19 yrs old), played 90 minutes for Excelsior. TOP 3 1) Cyriel Dessers 2) Romelu Lukaku 3) Thibaut Courtois (game Tottenham Hotspurs - Chelsea FC 1-2) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thorgan lesar 2,791 Posted August 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Kierans91 said: Louis Bostyn in for a rise I guess? Seems as though he's Zulte's first choice goalkeeper this season. Absolute bargain for 360k too!! He has for the moment some stupid faults, but that's going to be dissapear on term. He will rise if he continues like this. It's too early to say how much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roachy 94 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 I am looking forward to the potential risers post mate Belgium has so many talented players thorgan lesar 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thorgan lesar 2,791 Posted August 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 This is an example for next week how it will be. Amine Khammas Age: 18 Position: D(LC), DM(C) Club: KRC Genk Nationality: Belgian/Morocco Rating: 70 Predicted Rate: 76/77 (+6/7) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thorgan lesar 2,791 Posted August 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 Group stage Champions League FC Bayern München Paris Saint-Germain RSC Anderlecht Glasgow Celtic Oh dear. This is a beautiful group, but too difficult for us. We have the qualities to be above Celtic for sure, but these other 2 teams. Welcome Neymar, Lewandowski, Thiago, Neuer, .................. . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thorgan lesar 2,791 Posted August 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 Play-Off Europa League AEK Athene - Club Brugge 3-0 Don't want to talk about. We are furious on our teams (KAA Gent, Club Brugge). We can't blame KV Oostende. It was their first time in the Europa League and Olympique De Marseile is better then previous season. Tomorrow we know the oponnent of SV Zulte Waregem. Please give us teams we can handle . I hope Arsenal (one beautiful team is not so bad), Austria Wien and Lugano . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1000dB 410 Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 11 minutes ago, thorgan lesar said: Group stage Champions League FC Bayern München Paris Saint-Germain RSC Anderlecht Glasgow Celtic Oh dear. This is a beautiful group, but too difficult for us. We have the qualities to be above Celtic for sure, but these other 2 teams. Welcome Neymar, Lewandowski, Thiago, Neuer, .................. . This doesn't look good for the coefficient at all. Celtic have a few injured players so better to play them asap and maybe take some points off Bayern/PSG in case they're already through. Brugge, KVO and Gent already out and between them they've only picked up 2/5 points, i.e. 0.4 of the 1.2 points this year. Need Zulte and Anderlecht to win big just for a bit of damage control. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thorgan lesar 2,791 Posted August 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, 1000dB said: This doesn't look good for the coefficient at all. Celtic have a few injured players so better to play them asap and maybe take some points off Bayern/PSG in case they're already through. Brugge, KVO and Gent already out and between them they've only picked up 2/5 points, i.e. 0.4 of the 1.2 points this year. Need Zulte and Anderlecht to win big just for a bit of damage control. Ok, it's dramatically for Belgium. But the countries behind us (Turkey, The Netherlands) dissapointed also. Fenerbahçe out, PSV out, Ajax out, Feyenoord has a difficult group, AZ Alkmaar out. But it's certainly not good at all. Hope for good teams tomorrow for Zulte Waregem and not for example AC Milan and Everton. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1000dB 410 Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 OTOH Portugal can regain a safe lead and we'd do well to stay ahead of Ukraine. For the current draw Anderlecht could have been top seeds (if Brugge had beaten Dnipro back when they reached the QFs) and you'd expect a much softer group than one with Bayern and an overpowered PSG. Will be keeping an eye on Zulte. A team without a budget to speak of will have to save our asses. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thorgan lesar 2,791 Posted August 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, 1000dB said: OTOH Portugal can regain a safe lead and we'd do well to stay ahead of Ukraine. For the current draw Anderlecht could have been top seeds (if Brugge had beaten Dnipro back when they reached the QFs) and you'd expect a much softer group than one with Bayern and an overpowered PSG. Will be keeping an eye on Zulte. A team without a budget to speak of will have to save our asses. I doesn't like to talk about if team X had won, then this. It's football. It's part of the job, difficult times. Dnipro was in that year (thanks to Konoplyanka) succesful. It happens and it's history for me. We will lose for sure 1 place (Portugal), but now it's hoping it isn't AC Milan, Everton for Zulte Waregem tomorrow at 13 o'Clock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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