A new risers thread

[encerrado 199]

On 24/09/2017 at 1:30 PM, -JMH- said:

Nice effort with the minor leagues, the problem is the valuations formula is so poor for these leagues i dont think you will see much profit. I have been collecting many risers from the minor leagues over the past year or so the profts from sales are so minor, its hardly worth the effort if they are over 21 years old unfortunately.

I remember all your work, and those huge discussions through all the treads! I'm here since 2012! Thank you for all that JMH!
And yes, this has been quite dead. But I'm happy to see that people are back! Now, for the end of this year, I think is not worth it, but I'll share my ratings starting next year!

Cheers to all of you!

[TMCosta 1,848]

6 minutes ago, encerrado said:

I remember all your work, and those huge discussions through all the treads! I'm here since 2012! Thank you for all that JMH!
And yes, this has been quite dead. But I'm happy to see that people are back! Now, for the end of this year, I think is not worth it, but I'll share my ratings starting next year!

Cheers to all of you!

Vamos !!!

[-JMH- 8,575]

On 23/10/2017 at 3:22 PM, Monolithic said:

Yes, I have to say that it's reviews like today that make me realise just what a joke the SM admin are.

Rises to 82 for a team in the relegation zone of France's Ligue 2??? 

At the same time they gave Madatov, who helped Qarabag into the Champions League group stage, a +1 to 79. 

Those 'generous' rises for Prevot & Duvrene were overdue from last season, not just about statistics, they are genuine talents, hardly a joke, just taking into account the time from when these players were last reviewed....

Lens just missed promotion on the last day of the season if you recall, the top 6 clubs all had a shot at automatic promotion. Lens were robbed by a 90th min goal in the Reims v Amiens game

[Monolithic 841]

33 minutes ago, -JMH- said:

Those 'generous' rises for Prevot & Duvrene were overdue from last season, not just about statistics, they are genuine talents, hardly a joke, just taking into account the time from when these players were last reviewed....

Lens just missed promotion on the last day of the season if you recall, the top 6 clubs all had a shot at automatic promotion. Lens were robbed by a 90th min goal in the Reims v Amiens game

It's not just about those players. Many other players in Ligue 2 have risen to 82 and my complaint is always about inconsistency.

When they reviewed the English Championship last season (after a full year without a review if memory serves), plenty of first-teamers weren't given reviews that high. And obviously there is no contest between the quality of those two divisions.

And with all due respect to Ligue 2, I just don't see that teams who failed to get promotion should get anything like the kind of reviews that teams in the Champions League or Europa League get. Those teams actually achieved something after all.

[Monolithic 841]

England - Premier League

Note: As it seems that a couple of posters misunderstood these predictions, I felt it necessary to add this disclaimer. A ? means that a rise is possible, but questionable. Some are more questionable than others obviously.

Manchester City

GK – Ederson Moraes (24) – 88 (89) 90

DR/DMR/MR – Kyle Walker (27) – 91 (92) 

DRC – John Stones (23) – 89 (90) 90

DRC – Nicolas Otamendi (29) – 91 (92?) 

AMRL/FRLC – Gabriel Jesus (20) – 89 (90) 91

AMRLC/FRL – Leroy Sane (21) – 90 (91?) 91

AMRLC/FRLC – Raheem Sterling (22) – 91 (92?)

Manchester United

DRL/DMRL/MRL/AMRL – Ashley Young (32) – 88 (89?) 

DR/DMR/MR/AMR – Antonio Valencia (32) – 90 (91?) 91

DRC/DMC – Phil Jones (25) – 89 (90) 90

DRC/DMC – Eric Bailly (23) – 90 (91?)

AMRL/FRLC – Marcus Rashford (19) – 88 (89) 90

AMC/FC – Scott McTominay (20) – 73 (76) 76

FC – Romelu Lukaku (24) – 92 (93?)

Tottenham

DR/DMR – Kieran Trippier (27) – 87 (88) 89

DRL/DMRL – Kyle Walker-Peters (20) – 70 (76) 77

DC/DMC – Davinson Sanchez (21) – 87 (88) 89

DMC/MC – Harry Winks (21) – 82 (85/86) 86

DLC/DML – Ben Davies (24) – 88 (89) 89

MC/AMRLC – Dele Alli (21) – 91 (92?)

AMC/FC – Harry Kane (24) – 93 (94?)

Chelsea

DRC – Antonio Rudiger (24) – 89 (90) 

DC/DMC – Ethan Ampadu (17) – 70 (76?) 76

DLC/DML – Marcos Alonso (26) – 90 (91?) 91

DMC/MC – Tiemoue Bakayoko (23) – 89 (90?)

AMRL/FRLC – Alvaro Morata (25) – 91 (92?) 92

Arsenal

DR/DMR/MRC – Ainsley Maitland-Niles (20) – 78 (80/82) 82

DC – Rob Holding (22) – 83 (85) 85

DMC/MC – Mohamed Elneny (25) – 88 (89?)

MC/AMRLC – Joe Willock (18) – 70 (76) 76

MRL/AMRL – Reiss Nelson (17) – 70 (76) 78

AMRLC/FRLC – Alex Iwobi (21) – 86 (87?) 88

FC – Edward Nketiah (18) – 70 (76) 76

Liverpool

DL/DML/ML – Alberto Moreno (25) – 89 (90?)

DRLC – Joe Gomez (20) – 83 (85/86) 86

DR/DMRC/MRC – Trent Alexander-Arnold (19) – 80 (83/84) 83

MC/AMRLC – Georginio Wijnaldum (26) – 90 (91?) 

AMRLC/FRLC – Ben Woodburn (18) – 76 (80) 80

FRLC – Dominic Solanke (20) – 82 (84) 83

AMRLC/FRLC – Mohamed Salah (25) – 91 (92?) 92

Watford

DR/DMR/MR/AMRL/FRL – Kiko Femenia (26) – 86 (87)

DC – Christian Kabasele (26) – 85 (86/87) 86

DMC/MC/AMC – Abdoulaye Doucoure (24) – 86 (87) 87

AMRLC/FRLC – Andrade Richarlison (20) – 82 (85/86) 87

FC – Andre Gray (26) – 86 (87)

Newcastle

GK – Rob Elliott (31) – 83 (85/6) 85

DR/DMR/MR – Deandre Yedlin (24) – 84 (85/86) 85

DRL/DMR/MR – Javi Manquillo (23) – 86 (87)

DRC – Jamaal Lascelles (23) – 85 (86/87) 86

DLC/DMC – Ciaran Clark (28) – 85 (86) 86

DC/DMC/MC – Mikel Merino (21) – 82 (85) 85

DMC/MC – Isaac Hayden (22) – 83 (85/86) 85

AMRL – Jacob Murphy (22) – 82 (84?) 83

AMRLC – Matt Ritchie (28) – 86 (87) 87

AMRLC/FRLC – Ayoze Perez (24) – 86 (87)

FRLC – Dwight Gayle (27) – 85 (86?)

Burnley

GK – Nick Pope (25) – 80 (83) 83 

DRL/DMR/MR – Matthew Lowton (28) – 85 (86) 86

DL/DML/ML – Stephen Ward (32) – 85 (86) 86

DL/DML/ML/AMRL – Robbie Brady (25) – 86 (87) 87

DC – James Tarkowski (24) – 82 (85) 85

DLC – Ben Mee (28) -86 (87) 87

DMC/MC/AMC – Jeff Hendrick (25) – 85 (86)

MC/AMRLC – Scott Arfield (28) – 85 (86)

FC – Chris Wood (25) – 85 (86) 86

FC – Sam Vokes (28) – 85 (86?)

Southampton

DRC/DMR – Jack Stephens (23) – 82 (83/84?) 84

DRC – Maya Yoshida (29) – 87 (88?)

Huddersfield

GK – Jonas Lossl (28) – 86 (87?)

DL/DML/ML – Chris Lowe (28) – 83 (85)

DRC/DMR/MR – Tommy Smith (25) – 83 (85)

DLC – Christopher Schindler (27) – 83 (85)

DC – Mathias Zanka (27) – 85 (86)

DMC/MC – Philip Billing (21) – 80 (83/84)

DMC/MC/AMC – Aaron Mooy (27) – 85 (86)

MC/AMRLC – Abdelhamid Sabiri (20) – 78 (80)

AMRL/FRL – Rajiv Van La Parra (26) – 84 (85)

AMRL/FRL – Tom Ince (25) – 85 (86)

AMRLC/FRLC – Elias Kachunga (25) – 85 (86)

Brighton

DL/DML/ML – Markus Suttner (30) – 85 (86?) 

DC – Lewis Dunk (25) – 85 (86) 86

DC – Shane Duffy (25) – 84 (85/86) 86

DMC/MC – Dale Stephens (27) – 85 (86) 86

AMRLC – Solly March (23) – 82 (85) 84

AMRLC/FRL – Anthony Knockaert (25) – 85 (86?) 86

AMRLC/FRLC – Izzy Brown (20) – 82 (83/84) 83

West Brom

GK – Ben Foster (34) – 87 (88?)

DC – Ahmed Hegazi (26) – 83 (85/86) 85

DRC – Craig Dawson (27) – 86 (87)

DMC/MC/AMC – Jake Livermore (27) – 87 (88) 88

DMC/MLC – Sam Field (19) – 78 (80)

Leicester

DR/DMR – Danny Simpson (30) – 87 (88?)

DC – Harry Maguire (24) – 85 (86/87) 87

DMC/MC/AMC – Onyinye Ndidi (20) – 87 (88?) 88

DMC/MC/AMC – Andy King (28) – 85 (86?)

MRL/AMRL – Marc Albrighton (27) – 87 (88?)

AMRL/FRL – Demarai Gray (21) – 85 (86?) 86

Swansea

DL/DML/ML – Martin Olsson (29) – 86 (87?)

DRL/MRL – Kyle Naughton (28) – 86 (87?)

DL/DML/MLC – Sam Clucas (27) – 85 (86?)

DC – Alfie Mawson (23) – 85 (86) 86

MC/AMC – Tom Carroll (25) – 85 (86) 86

FRLC – Tammy Abraham (20) – 83 (85/86) 86

West Ham

DL/DML/ML – Aaron Cresswell (27) – 88 (89)

DC/DMC – Declan Rice (18) – 70 (76/78) 77

Stoke

GK – Jack Butland (24) – 88 (89)

Everton

GK – Jordan Pickford (23) – 87 (88) 88

DR/DMRC/MRC – Jonjoe Kenny (20) – 77 (80) 80

DRC – Michael Keane (24) – 88 (89)

DRC – Mason Holgate (21) – 83 (84/85?)

DRC/DMC – Cuco Martina (28) – 85 (86?)

DMC/MC/AMC – Tom Davies (19) – 83 (84/85) 85

AMRLC/FRLC – Dominic Calvert-Lewin (20) – 80 (83/84) 85

Bournemouth

DLC/DMC – Nathan Ake (22) – 86 (87?) 87

DMC/MLC/AMC – Andrew Surman (31) – 85 (86?)

MRC/AMRC – Lewis Cook (20) – 82 (83/84) 84

AMR/FRC – Ben Afobe (24) – 85 (86?) 

FC – Lys Mousset (21) – 82 (83/84?)

Crystal Palace

DRLC/DMC – Timothy Fosu-Mensah (19) – 78 (82) 83

DMC/MC/AMC – Ruben Loftus-Cheek (21) – 82 (84) 85

 

Many of the question marks are due to the close proximity of the teams in the league and due to the wildly unpredictable nature of SM's rating system of course.

 

 

[-JMH- 8,575]

5 hours ago, Monolithic said:

It's not just about those players. Many other players in Ligue 2 have risen to 82 and my complaint is always about inconsistency.

When they reviewed the English Championship last season (after a full year without a review if memory serves), plenty of first-teamers weren't given reviews that high. And obviously there is no contest between the quality of those two divisions.

And with all due respect to Ligue 2, I just don't see that teams who failed to get promotion should get anything like the kind of reviews that teams in the Champions League or Europa League get. Those teams actually achieved something after all.

Which players? I see Paul Bernardoni (in France u21s) , Danjiel Petkovic (Montenegro international GK) & Zindene Ferhat (back in Algeria squad and already well known as one of the most creative players in the league), who, all IMO are justified for obvious reasons?

& Prevot & Duverne as already covered

I must be missing something your seeing.  Most Championship squads have a higher average rating that all the Ligue 2 squads anyhow. All the promoted Ligue 2 sides have starters rated 78-83. Championship 82-85. The gulf is already there? Unless you know the specific players in the Championship who were overlooked? Even so, if Ligue 2 is being reviewed, then the Championship will follow suit which would nullify the complaint about inconsistency?

[Monolithic 841]

9 minutes ago, -JMH- said:

Which players? I see Paul Bernardoni (in France u21s) , Danjiel Petkovic (Montenegro international GK) & Zindene Ferhat (back in Algeria squad and already well known as one of the most creative players in the league), who, all IMO are justified for obvious reasons?

& Prevot & Duverne as already covered

I must be missing something your seeing.  Most Championship squads have a higher average rating that all the Ligue 2 squads anyhow. All the promoted Ligue 2 sides have starters rated 78-83. Championship 82-85. The gulf is already there? Unless you know the specific players in the Championship who were overlooked? Even so, if Ligue 2 is being reviewed, then the Championship will follow suit which would nullify the complaint about inconsistency?

There were several other players early in the review. Anyway, I made my point at the time and I stand by it. On the same day that Madatov got a +1 to 79 for helping his team to reach the group stage of the Champions League, a bunch of players got much bigger rises (and have since) for mediocre French teams. It struck me as preposterous then and it strikes me as preposterous now, but I am over it. 

I hope that the Championship will also be included in the review this year. Last winter it wasn't.

[Huggy 47]

I would be surprised if Alli got a +1, he's looked incredibly pedestrian this season for Tottenham, (been better their last 2 matches when playing deeper and ironically scored) also hasn't played a single game in the Champions league yet due to his suspension from last season. For me Eriksen is far more likely to get a +1, been outstanding for both Tottenham and Denmark, scored in his last 5 WCQ - Albeit some have been penalty's, really in the form of his life. All that said i still think it's unlikely he would rise mid season (though not impossible).

So for me Eriksen and Kane are 50/50 to rise mid season but certain to rise at the end of the season if they keep playing the way they are. Alli needs to step it up if he is to rise, though there's plenty of matches to do it in and he's more than capable of doing it too. All depends on how generous SM are feeling. 

 

P.S Thanks for the predictions

[-JMH- 8,575]

29 minutes ago, Monolithic said:

There were several other players early in the review. Anyway, I made my point at the time and I stand by it. On the same day that Madatov got a +1 to 79 for helping his team to reach the group stage of the Champions League, a bunch of players got much bigger rises (and have since) for mediocre French teams. It struck me as preposterous then and it strikes me as preposterous now, but I am over it. 

I hope that the Championship will also be included in the review this year. Last winter it wasn't.

The only other 2 were Oliver Kemen & Arnaud Nordin, both on loan from Ligue 1 clubs, both youth internationals.

Id say overlooking a 20 year old Azeri isnt inconsistent, but i see the point, Gara Garayez got to 82 but he is a stalwart international. Qarabag, and Maribor will have to be looked at again after they are dumped from the competition having been rolled over. Madatov +1 to 80.

[Monolithic 841]

1 hour ago, -JMH- said:

The only other 2 were Oliver Kemen & Arnaud Nordin, both on loan from Ligue 1 clubs, both youth internationals.

Id say overlooking a 20 year old Azeri isnt inconsistent, but i see the point, Gara Garayez got to 82 but he is a stalwart international. Qarabag, and Maribor will have to be looked at again after they are dumped from the competition having been rolled over. Madatov +1 to 80.

That's cool. We can agree to disagree.

And the reviews of both Serbia and Ligue 2 do prove at the very least that it is still very worthwhile shopping for bargains in the lesser leagues. Lots of players tripling or quadrupling in value.

[Monolithic 841]

The Ligue 2 review was concluded today and the 2.Bundesliga review has indeed begun with some much deserved drops for Kaiserslautern:

Germany - 2. Bundesliga

[SeAnByRnE 147]

On 9/10/2017 at 5:18 AM, Monolithic said:

Bulgaria

D/DM/M/AM(R) - Kristiyan Malinov (23) - 77 (80)

DR/DMC - Marc Bedime (22) - 70 (75)

DC - Ilias Hassani (21) - 73 (78/80)

DC - Bozhidar Chorbadzhiyski (22) - 77 (82)

DC - Dimitar Pirgov (27) - 77 (80/82)

DC - Martin Kostadinov (21) - 75 (78)

DLC - Anton Nedyalkov (24) - 77 (80)

MC - Vasil Panayotov (27) - 76 (80)

FC - Fernando Karanga (26) - 80 (82)

 

I think Chorbadzhiyski has been mentioned elsewhere on the board, but Malinov and Nedyalkov are also decent bets and full internationals.

Hassani is getting some game time and is a full Algerian international so should be due a solid rise.

Only a +1 rise for Hassani?? Really disappointed  

[Monolithic 841]

11 minutes ago, SeAnByRnE said:

Only a +1 rise for Hassani?? Really disappointed  

This is not the full Bulgaria review. Giving Hassani (and Chorbadzhiyski) a +1 now is utterly pointless and rather stupid of SM, but they should both be due much bigger rises when the full Bulgaria review is conducted. 

 

 

[SeAnByRnE 147]

1 hour ago, Monolithic said:

This is not the full Bulgaria review. Giving Hassani (and Chorbadzhiyski) a +1 now is utterly pointless and rather stupid of SM, but they should both be due much bigger rises when the full Bulgaria review is conducted. 

 

 

Thank you @Monolithic for clearing that up. Utterly confused as to why he was given a +1 now. 

[Michaeleyre1 35]

Manor Solomon from your Israel section increased in value from 400k to 1.8m before any potential rise 😀 so thanks for the early tip Monolithic! Great work

[Monolithic 841]

6 minutes ago, Michaeleyre1 said:

Manor Solomon from your Israel section increased in value from 400k to 1.8m before any potential rise 😀 so thanks for the early tip Monolithic! Great work

I live to give. 

[Monolithic 841]

Germany - Bundesliga

Note: As it seems that a couple of posters misunderstood these predictions, I felt it necessary to add this disclaimer. A ? means that a rise is possible, but questionable. Some are more questionable than others obviously.

Bayern

GK – Sven Ulreich (29) – 88 (89?)

DR/DMRC/MRC – Sebastian Rudy (27) – 90 (91) 91

DRL/DMC/MC/AMC – Corentin Tolisso (23) – 90 (91?) 91

DC/DMC – Niklas Sule (22) – 89 (90) 90

DC/DMRC/MRC - Joshua Kimmich (22) - 91 (92?)

AMRLC/FRLC – Kingsley Coman (21) – 89 (90) 90

Dortmund

GK – Roman Burki (26) – 90 (91?)

DR/DMRC/MRC/AMRC – Gonzalo Castro (30) – 90 (91?)

DRL/DMRL - Jeremy Toljan (24) - 86 (87) 87

DRC – Marc Bartra (26) – 89 (90?) 90

DLC – Dan-Axel Zagadou (18) – 75 (83) 80

DMC/MC – Nuri Sahin (29) – 89 (90)

AMRLC/FRL – Christian Pulisic (19) – 87 (89) 89

AMRLC/FRL – Jadon Sancho (17) – 70 (76) 76

AMRLC/FRLC – Maximilian Philipp (23) – 87 (88/89) 89

Leipzig

GK – Peter Gulacsi (27) – 87 (88) 88

DRL/DMC – Diego Demme (25) – 87 (88) 88

DRLC – Lukas Klostermann (21) – 82 (85/86) 85

DRC/DMC – Willi Orban (24) – 88 (89)

DC/DMC – Ibrahima Konate (18) – 77 (80) 80

DLC/DML – Marcel Halstenberg (26) – 87 (88) 88

DC/DMC – Dayot Upamecamo (18) – 85 (87) 87

DMC/MC – Konrad Laimer (20) – 85 (86)

AMRLC/FRLC – Marcel Sabitzer (23) – 88 (89) 90

AMRL/FRLC – Jean-Kevin Augustin (20) – 82 (85) 86

Hannover

GK – Philipp Tschauner (31) – 83 (85) 85

DL/DMLC/MLC – Matthias Ostrzolek (27) – 86 (87)

DC – Waldemar Anton (21) – 84 (86) 85

DMC/MC – Marvin Bakalorz (28) – 83 (85) 85

DC/DMC – Salif Sane (27) – 87 (88?)

MR/AMR – Felix Klaus (25) – 85 (86)

AMRLC/FRLC – Martin Harnik (30) – 86 (87)

AMRL/FRLC – Niclas Fullkrug (24) – 82 (84) 84 

AMRL/FRLC – Kenan Karaman (23) – 83 (84) 84

AMRL/FRLC – Ihlas Bebou (23) – 82 (84) 85

Schalke

Dl/DML/ML – Bastian Oczipka (27) – 87 (88) 88

DRLC/DMC – Thilo Kehrer (21) – 82 (85) 86

DC/DMC – Benjamin Stambouli (27) – 87 (88?)

MC – Weston McKennie (19) – 70 (78/80) 78

MC/AMRLC – Amine Harit (20) – 85 (87) 87

AMC/FC – Fabian Reese (19) – 75 (78/80) 78

Hoffenheim

DR/DMR/MR - Pavel Kaderabek (25) - 87 (88?)

DC/DMC – Benjamin Hubner (28) – 87 (88) 88

DRC – Stefan Posch (20) – 73 (78/80) 77

DRC/DMC – Kevin Vogt (26) – 87 (88) 88

DMC/MC/AMC – Dennis Geiger (19) – 75 (83) 82

MC/AMC – Kerem Demirbay (24) – 87 (88) 89

MC/AMRLC – Nadiem Amiri (21) – 87 (88) 88

MRL/AMRL – Steven Zuber (26) – 87 (88) 88

AMRLC/FRL – Robin Hack (19) – 73 (77) 76

FC – Mark Uth (26) – 87 (88) 88

Eintracht Frankfurt

DR/DMR/MR – Timothy Chandler (27) – 86 (87)

DL/DML/ML – Talb Tawatha (25) – 83 (84/85) 84

DLC – Simon Falette (25) – 85 (86/87) 86

AMRL/FRLC – Marius Wolf (22) – 80 (82) 82

AMRLC/FRLC – Ante Rebic (24) – 84 (85/86) 85

AMRLC/FRL – Mijat Gacinovic (22) – 86 (87)

FC – Sebastien Haller (23) – 87 (88) 88

Monchengladbach

DRLC/DMC – Nico Elvedi (21) – 87 (88)

DC/DMC/MC – Denis Zakaria (20) – 85 (87) 87

DMC/MC – Mickael Cuisance (18) – 73 (80) 77

AMRLC/FRLC – Thorgan Hazard (24) – 88 (89) 89

Bayer Leverkusen

DRLC/DMC – Panagiotis Retsos (19) – 82 (84) 86

DMC/MC – Dominik Kohr (23) – 87 (88)

MC/AMRLC – Kai Havertz (18) – 83 (85)

AMRL/FRLC – Leon Bailey (20) – 85 (86) 87

Augsburg

DRL/DMR – Daniel Opare (27) – 85 (86) 

DL/DML/ML/AML – Philipp Max (24) – 86 (87) 87

DMC/MC – Rani Khedira (23) – 82 (84/85) 84

AMRL/FRLC – Francisco Caiuby (29) – 86 (87) 

FC – Sergio Cordova (20) – 77 (80) 82

Hertha Berlin

DLC – Karim Rekik (22) – 86 (87?)

AMC/FRLC – Ondrej Duda (22) – 85 (86?)

AMRLC/FRLC – Matthew Leckie (26) – 85 (86/87) 86

Mainz

DRL/DMRLC/MRLC – Daniel Brosinski (29) – 86 (87?)

DC/DMC – Abdou Diallo (21) – 82 (84/85) 85

DMC/MC – Daniel Latza (27) – 86 (87?)

MRC/AMC – Suat Serdar (20) – 80 (83) 82

Stuttgart

DRLC/DMC – Benjamin Pavard (21) – 82 (84) 86

DC – Timo Baumgartl (21) – 84 (85/86) 85

DC – Marcin Kaminski (25) – 83 (85) 85

DMC/MC – Santiago Ascacibar (20) – 86 (87?) 87

DMC/MC/AMC – Orel Mangala (19) – 75 (82) 80

AMRL/FRL – Josip Brekalo (19) – 80 (83) 82

AMC/FC – Takuma Asano (22) – 82 (84) 83

AMRLC/FRLC – Anastasios Donis (21) – 82 (84) 85

AMRLC/FRLC – Chadrac Akolo (22) – 80 (83) 85

FC – Simon Terodde (29) – 85 (86) 86

Wolfsburg

GK – Koen Casteels (25) – 86 (87?)

DL/DML/MLC – Gian-Luca Itter (18) – 70 (76) 77

DC/DMC – Felix Uduokhai (20) – 80 (83/84) 83

AMRL/FRLC – Landry Dimata (20) – 82 (84) 83

Freiburg

GK – Alexander Schwolow (25) – 86 (87?) 87

DL/DML – Christian Gunter (24) – 86 (87?)

DL/DML/ML/AMRL – Florian Kath (23) – 76 (78) 78

DR/DMRC/MRC – Pascal Stenzel (21) – 83 (85) 85

DC/DMC – Caglar Soyuncu (21) – 86 (87) 87

DC/DMC/MC – Nicolas Hofler (27) – 85 (86) 86

DC – Philippe Lienhart (21) – 80 (83/84) 83

AMRLC – Ryan Kent (20) – 80 (82) 82

AMRL/FRLC – Marco Terrazzino (26) – 83 (85) 85

AMRLC/FRLC – Janik Haberer (23) – 85 (86) 86

FRLC – Tim Kleindienst (22) – 80 (82) 82

FC – Florian Niederlechner (26) – 85 (86) 87

Hamburg

GK – Christian Mathenia (25) – 85 (86)

DLC – Rick Van Drongelen (18) – 80 (82/83) 82

DC/DMC/MC – Gideon Jung (23) – 84 (85/86) 86

DMC/MC/AMC – Vasilije Janjicic (19) – 75 (78) 77

AMRLC – Bakery Jatta (19) – 73 (77) 77

Werder Bremen

GK – Jiri Pavlenka (25) – 83 (85) 85

DC/DMC – Milos Veljkovic (22) – 83 (85) 85

DRLC/DMRLC – Robert Bauer (22) – 85 (86) 

DMC/MC/AMC – Maximiliano Eggestein (20) – 82 (84) 85

AMRLC – Florian Kainz (25) – 85 (86)

Koln

DR/DMRC/MRC – Lukas Klunter (21) – 78 (82) 83

DL/DMLC/MLC – Tim Handwerker (19) – 75 (78) 76

DLC/DMC – Jannes Horn (20) – 80 (82) 83

MC/AMC/FC – Salih Ozcan (19) – 80 (82) 82

 

Obviously plenty can change before the update, but these seem pretty conservative estimates for the Bundesliga.

[Monolithic 841]

On 18/10/2017 at 5:06 PM, Monolithic said:

Germany – 2. Bundesliga

GK - Jakob Busk (24) - 80 (82) 82

GK – Marcel Schuhen (24) – 76 (80) 80

DR – Patrick Herrmann (29) – 77 (80) 80

DRC/DMC – Eduard Lowen (20) – 77 (80/82) 82

DRC/DMC – Jannik Muller (23) – 77 (80) 82

DRC/MC - Nicolai Rapp (20) - 78 (80) 80

DRC – Fabian Kalig (24) – 77 (80) 80

DLC – Rafael Czichos (27) – 77 (80) No

DLC – Tim Knipping (24) – 77 (80) 80

DC/DMC/MC – Marcel Sobottka (23) – 80 (82/83) 83

DC/DMC/MC – Louis Samson (22) – 77 (78/80) 82

DMC/MC - Alexander Muhling (25) - 78 (82) 80

MC/AMRLC – Florian Neuhaus (20) – 76 (80) 82

MC – Marcel Hartel (21) – 77 (80/82) 80

MC – Marvin Mehlem (20) – 75 (78/80) 78

AMRLC – Steven Lewerenz (26) – 76 (80/82) 78

AMRLC – Keanu Staude (20) – 73 (78/80) 80

AML/FLC – Sargis Adamyan (24) – 73 (77) 78

AMRL/FRLC - Cedric Teuchert (20) - 77 (80) 80

AMRLC/FRLC - Dominick Drexler (27) - 80 (82/83) 82

AMC/FRLC - Marvin Ducksch (23) - 80 (82/83) 82

FRLC – Haji Wright (19) – 70 (75) 76

FC – Andreas Voglsammer (25) – 78 (80/82) 82

The 2. Bundesliga review has finished with plenty of big risers and Serie B has begun:

Italy - Serie B

[Monolithic 841]

England – Championship

Wolverhampton

DRL/DMRL - Matt Doherty (26) - 83 (85)

DL/DML/ML - Barry Douglas (28) - 82 (84)

DR/DMC/MC/AMC – Conor Coady (24) – 82 (84/85)

AMRLC/FRLC – Bright Enobakhare (19) – 76 (80)

FRLC - Leo Bonatini (23) - 84 (85)

Aston Villa

GK – Sam Johnstone (24) – 83 (84/85)

DMC/MLC – Conor Hourihane (27) – 83 (84/85)

AMRLC/FRLC – Keinan Davis (20) – 77 (80/82)

Cardiff

GK – Neil Etheridge (28) – 79 (82/83)

DMC/MLC – Joe Ralls (24) – 82 (83/84)

MRL/AMRL – Nathaniel Mendez-Laing (25) – 78 (82)

Fulham

DL/DML/ML – Ryan Sessegnon (17) – 80 (84)

AMRL/FRL – Sheyi Ojo (20) – 80 (82)

Bristol City

DL/DML/MLC – Joe Bryan (24) – 80 (82)

DR/DM/MRC – Korey Smith (27) – 80 (82)

DMC/MC – Marlon Pack (26) – 78 (82)

MC/AMC – Josh Brownhill (22) – 78 (82)

AMRLC/FRLC – Bobby Reid (25) – 82 (84)

Sheffield United

GK – Jamal Blackman (24) – 78 (82)

DR/DMR/MRC – George Baldock (24) – 78 (80/82)

DL/DML/ML – Enda Stevens (27) – 78 (82)

DLC – Jack O’Connell (23) – 78 (82)

DC/DMC/MC – Chris Basham (29) – 80 (82/83)

AMRLC – David Brooks (20) – 77 (80)

FC – Leon Clarke (33) – 80 (83)

Preston

GK – Chris Maxwell (27) – 80 (82)

DR/DMR/MR – Darnell Fisher (22) – 78 (80/82)

DR/DMR/MR/AMRL/FRLC – Tom Barkhuizen (24) – 78 (82)

DLC – Ben Davies (22) – 77 (80)

DLC/DML – Josh Earl (19) – 76 (80)

MC/AMC – Alan Browne (22) – 80 (82)

MC/AMRLC – Daniel Johnson (25) – 80 (82)

Leeds

DC – Liam Cooper (26) – 80 (82)

DM/MC – Kalvin Phillips (21) – 80 (82/83)

AMRLC/FRLC – Kemar Roofe (24) – 80 (82?)

The Best of the Rest

GK – Jordan Smith (23) – 76 (80/82)

GK – Jordan Archer (24) – 76 (82)

DR/DMR/MR – Conor McLaughlin (26) – 78 (80/82)

DR/DMR/MRC – Josh Scowen (24) – 80 (82)

DR/DMR/MR/AMR – Tendayi Darikwa (25) – 80 (82)

DL/DML - Antonee Robinson (20) - 75 (80)

DL/DML/ML - James Meredith (29) - 78 (82)

DRC – Dominic Iorfa (22) – 80 (82)

DRC – Fikayo Tomori (20) – 80 (82)

DRC – Jordan Spence (27) – 80 (82)

DRLC/DMRL – Ola Aina (21) – 80 (82)

DRLC/DMC – Callum Connelly (20) – 78 (82)

DLC/DMC – George Saville (24) – 80 (82/83)

DC – Jake Cooper (23) – 78 (82)

DC – Yoann Barbet (24) – 80 (82)

DC – Jason McCarthy (21) – 78 (80)

DC – Joe Worrall (21) – 77 (82)

DC – Dael Dry (20) – 77 (80)

DC – Christoph Zimmermann (25) – 76 (82)

DC – Adam Jackson (23) – 75 (80)

DMC/MC – Joe Sbarra (19) – 67 (73)

DMC/MC – Harrison Reed (23) –80 (82)

MC/AMC/FC – James Maddison (21) – 78 (82)

DMC/MC/AMC – Joe Williams (21) – 77 (80)

MC/AMC – Tristan Nydam (18) – 70 (76)

MC/AMC – George Honeyman (23) – 75 (80)

MC/AMRLC – Josh Harrop (21) – 75 (78/80)

MC/AMRLC – Josh Onomah (20) – 80 (82)

MC/AMRLC – Jed Wallace (24) – 78 (82)

MC/AMRLC – Harvey Barnes (19) – 77 (80)

AMRLC – Fred Onyedinma (21) – 77 (80)

AMRL/FRL – Ryan Hedges (22) – 77 (80)

AMRL/FRLC – Josh Murphy (23) – 80 (82)

AMRL/FRLC –Ben Brereton (18) – 78 (80)

AMRLC/FRL – Grant Ward (23) – 80 (82)

AMRLC/FRL – Barrie McKay (23) – 78 (82)

AMRLC/FRLC – Sean Maguire (23) – 78 (80/82)

AMC/FC – Jarrod Bowen (20) – 77 (80/82)

FC – Joe Garner (29) – 80 (82)

FC – Lee Gregory (29) –78 (82)

FC – Tom Bradshaw (25) – 80 (82)

FC – Aiden O’Brien (24) – 77 (80)

FC – Ollie Watkins (21) – 80 (82) 

FRLC – Josh Maja (19) – 70 (75)

 

A Championship review is now long overdue and many players are criminally underrated in comparison with other 2nd tiers.

[Andy2k17 1]

You have Josh Brownhills down as a +4 and then +2 twice on the list?

[Monolithic 841]

3 hours ago, Andy2k17 said:

You have Josh Brownhills down as a +4 and then +2 twice on the list?

Thanks. Have now amended. I wrote it in two sittings at different times.

[Ignazio Barraco 32]

Ben Arfa 100% -1?

[Monolithic 841]

13 hours ago, Ignazio Barraco said:

Ben Arfa 100% -1?

Nothing is ever 100% with SM, but it wouldn't be a surprise...

[Monolithic 841]

Italy - Serie A

Note: As it seems that a couple of posters misunderstood these predictions, I felt it necessary to add this disclaimer. A ? means that a rise is possible, but questionable. Some are more questionable than others obviously.

Juventus

DR/DMR/MR/AMRLC – Juan Cuadrado (29) – 91 (92?)

DC – Daniele Rugani (23) – 89 (90) 90

MC/AMRLC – Rodrigo Bentancur (20) – 85 (86/87) 87

Napoli

DRL/DMRL – Elseid Hysaj (23) – 90 (91)

DL/DML/ML – Faouzi Ghoullam (26) – 90 (91)

DRC – Kalidou Koulibaly (26) – 91 (92?) 92

DC – Raul Albiol (32) – 89 (90?)

DMC/MC – Loureiro Allan (26) – 90 (91)

DMC/MC – Amadou Diawara (20) – 87 (88) 88

MC/AMRLC – Piotr Zielinski (23) – 90 (91?)

MC/AMRLC – Marko Rog (22) – 87 (88?)

AMRL/FRL – Jose Callejon (30) – 91 (92?)

AMLC/FLC – Lorenzo Insigne (26) – 91 (92) 92

AMRLC/FRLC – Dries Mertens (30) – 92 (93?)

Inter

DRL/DMRL/MRL – Danilo D’Ambrosio (29) – 89 (90)

DC/DMC – Milan Skriniar (22) – 86 (88) 89

DMC/MC – Roberto Gagliardini (23) – 88 (89) 89

FC – Mauro Icardi (24) – 92 (93?)

Lazio

GK – Thomas Strakosha (22) – 83 (86) 87

DR/DMR/MR/AMRL – Adam Marusic (25) – 85 (86/87) 87

DR/DMRC – Gabarron Patric (24) – 83 (84/85) 84

DL/DML/ML – Jordan Lukaku (23) – 85 (86) 

DLC – Stefan Radu (31) – 89 (90?)

DC – Jacinto Bastos (25) – 86 (87) 87

DC – Luiz Felipe (20) – 76 (80/82) 78

DC/DMC/MC – Lucas Leiva (30) – 89 (90?)

DMC/MC – Alessandro Murgia (21) – 78 (82) 82

DMC/MC/AMC – Sergej Milinkovic-Savic (22) – 89 (90) 90

MC/AMRLC – Luis Alberto (25) – 86 (88) 88

FC – Ciro Immobile (27) – 90 (91) 91

Roma

GK – Becker Alisson (25) – 89 (90) 90

DRL/DMRL – Bruno Peres (27) – 89 (90?)

DLC – Juan Jesus (26) – 89 (90?)

DMC/MC – Lorenzo Pellegrini (21) – 87 (88) 88

AMRLC – Cengiz Under (20) – 83 (85) 85

Sampdoria

GK – Christian Puggioni (36) – 83 (85) 85

DR/DMR/MR – Bartosz Bereszynski (25) – 84 (85/86) 86

DC – Gianmarco Ferrari (25) – 85 (86?) 87

DMC/MC – Lucas Torreira (21) – 87 (88) 88

MC/AMRLC – Dennis Praet (23) – 87 (88) 88

AMRLC – Gaston Ramirez (26) – 87 (88) 

AMC/FRLC – Gianluca Caprari (24) – 86 (87?)

FC – Duvan Zapata (26) – 88 (89?)

Fiorentina

DR/DMR – Vincent Laurini (28) – 84 (85) 85

DR/DMR/MR/AMRLC – Federico Chiesa (20) – 86 (87) 88

DL/DML/ML – Cristiano Biraghi (25) – 85 (87) 87

DC – German Pezzella (26) – 87 (88) 88

AMRLC/FRLC – Giovanni Simeone (22) – 87 (88) 88

AMRLC/FRLC – Gil Dias (21) – 82 (84) 85

Milan

GK – Gianluigi Donnarumma (18) – 89 (90) 

DMC/MC – Franck Kessie (20) – 88 (89) 89

AMRL/FRLC – Fabio Borini (26) – 87 (88) 

FC – Patrick Cutrone (19) – 75 (80/82) 82

Torino

DRL/DMRL/MRL/AMRLC – Alex Berenguer (22) – 83 (84) 85

AMRLC/FRLC – Simone Edera (20) – 73 (77) 76

FC – Sadiq Umar (20) – 78 (80) 80

Atalanta

GK – Etrit Berisha (28) – 87 (88?) 88

DRL/DMRL/MRL/AMRL – Leonardo Spinazzola (24) – 87 (88?) 89

DRL/DMRL – Timothy Castagne (21) – 85 (86) 86

DL/DMLC/MLC – Robin Gosens (23) – 82 (84) 83

DRC – Hans Hateboer (23) – 83 (85/86) 85 

DLC – Jose Luis Palomino (27) – 84 (86) 87

DC – Mattia Caldara (23) – 88 (89?) 89

DMC/MC – Marten de Roon (26) – 87 (88?) 88

DMC/MC/AMC – Remo Freuler (25) – 87 (88?) 88

DMC/MC/AMC – Bryan Cristante (22) – 85 (87) 87

FC – Andrea Petagna (22) – 87 (88) 88

Chievo

DRL/DMR – Fabrizio Cacciatore (31) – 85 (86)

DMC/MC – Ivan Radovanovic (29) – 86 (87)

AMC/FC – Manuel Pucciarelli (28) – 86 (87)

FC – Roberto Inglese (25) – 86 (87) 88

Bologna

DR/DMC/MC – Godfred Donsah (21) – 85 (86) 86

DRL/DMR/MR – Emil Krafth (23) – 84 (85) 

DC – Filip Helander (24) – 83 (85) 84

DC/DMC/MC – Erick Pulgar (23) – 84 (86) 85

AMRL/FRL – Federico Fi Francesco (23) – 84 (85) 85

AMC/FRC – Bruno Petkovic (23) – 82 (83/84) 83 

AMRLC/FRLC – Simone Verdi (25) – 87 (88?) 88

Udinese

GK – Simone Scuffet (21) – 84 (85?) 85

DRL/DMRL – Giuseppe Pezzella (19) – 80 (82?) 82

DRL/DMRL/MRL/AMRL – Jens Larsen (26) – 83 (84/85) 85

DLC/DMC – Caetano Samir (22) – 85 (86) 86

DC – Bram Nuytinck (27) – 85 (86) 

MLC – Jakub Jankto (21) – 85 (86) 87

MC/AMC/FC – Antonin Barak (22) – 83 (85) 85

AMRLC/FRL – Rodrigo De Paul (23) – 86 (87) 87  

FRLC – Kevin Lasagna (25) – 85 (86) 

Cagliari

GK – Alessio Cragno (23) – 85 (86?) 86

DLC – Senna Miangue (20) – 78 (80) 80

DC/DMC – Filippo Romagna (20) – 78 (82) 83

DMC/MC/AMC – Nicolo Barella (20) – 85 (86) 87

Crotone

DC/DMC/MC – Rolando Mandragora (20) – 82 (84)

DRC – Federico Ceccherini (25) – 85 (86?)

DRC/DMR – Mario Sampirisi (24) – 83 (84) 84

DMC/MC – Andrea Barberis (23) – 83 (84/85) 85

AMRLC/FRLC – Adrian Stoian (26) – 84 (85)

AMC/FC – Marco Tumminello (18) – 75 (78)

FC – Ante Budimir (24) – 83 (84)

Spal

GK – Alfred Gomis (24) – 83 (85) 84

DRL/DMRL – Federico Mattiello (22) – 77 (80) 78

DL/DML/ML – Filippo Costa (22) – 78 (82) 82

DL/DML/MLC – Luca Mora (29) – 78 (82) 83

DR/DMR/MRC – Manuel Lazzari (23) – 80 (83) 84

DC – Francesco Vicari (23) – 80 (83) 83

DC – Sauli Vaisanen (23) – 80 (82) 82

DMC/MC – Federico Viviani (25) – 85 (86?)

MRLC – Pasquale Schiattarella (30) – 84 (85) 

Sassuolo

DR/DMR/MR – Pol Lirola (20) – 83 (84/85) 85

DRL/DMRL/MRL/AMRL – Claud Adjapong (19) – 78 (80/82) 82

DMC/MC – Stefano Sensi (22) – 85 (86?) 86

FLC – Diego Falcinelli (26) – 85 (86?) 86

Genoa

DC/DMC – Davide Biraschi (23) – 82 (83/84)

MC – Stephane Omeonga (21) – 80 (82?) 82

AMRL/FRLC – Pietro Pellegri (16) – 70 (76/78) 80

AMRLC/FRLC – Eddy Salcedo (16) – 73 (76)

Hellas Verona

GK – Andrade Nicolas (29) – 82 (84) 84

DL/DML/ML/AML – Mohamed Fares (21) – 80 (82) 82

DRC – Antonio Caracciolo (27) – 82 (83/84) 84

MC – Mattia Valoti (24) – 80 (82/83) 82

MC/AMRLC – Daniel Bessa (24) – 83 (84/85) 85

AMRLC/FRLC – Daniele Verde (21) – 82 (84) 84

AMRLC/FRLC – Moise Kean (18) – 77 (80) 80

Benevento

DC – Fabio Lucioni (30) – 79 (82) 82

MRC – Lorenzo Del Pinto (27) – 78 (80)

[TMCosta 1,848]

2 hours ago, Monolithic said:

MC/AMRLC – Piotr Zielinski (23) – 90 (91)

Dont think so...to soon

2 hours ago, Monolithic said:

AMRLC/FRLC – Eddy Salcedo (16) – 73 (76)

he was added yesterday to DB....already +3?