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I am not Danny' date=' that is just what I have listed! I watch more football than most and happen to think my specialist subject is premiership players. I have based my ratings on form and stats, just like SM will.[/quote']

But Laursen's form this season has been exceptional and his stats likewise - he's started every league match this season for Villa. The goals aren't as important for a defender as a striker, of course, but they should still be taken into account on some level. If Lescott has earnt a 90 from playing for England, it should be pointed out that Laursen has returned to the Danish first XI.

Very good, comprehensive list though - good job.

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Fulham - 19th

Antti Niemi - 1260 mins - Stay at 89

Kasey Keller - 270 mins - Down to 85

Tony Warner - 270 mins - Stay at 85

Paul Konchesky - 1395 mins - Stay at 87

Aaron Hughes - 1233 mins - Stay at 87

Nathan Ashton - 90 mins - Up to 77

Moritz Volz - 63 mins - Down to 84

Chris Baird - 1103 mins - Up to 86

Elliot Omozusi - 599 mins - Up to 81

Dejan Stefanovic - 900 mins - Down to 86

Philippe Christianval - 0 mins - Down to 83

Lee Cook - 0 mins - Down to 83

Ian Pearce - 35 mins - Down to 84

Carlos Bocanegra - 1395 mins - 1 Goal - Up to 87

Simon Davies - 1680 mins - 3 Goals - Stay at 87

Danny Murphy - 1015 mins - 2 Goals - Stay at 86

Aleksei Smertin - 851 mins - 2 Goals - Down to 87

Steven Davis - 1639 mins - Stay at 88

Jimmy Bullard - 0 mins - Down to 84

Claus Jensen - 0 mins - Doen to 83

Ki-Hyeon Seol - 277 mins - Down to 85

Hamuer Bouazza - 1085 mins - 1 Goal - Stay at 86

Clint Dempsey - 1566 mins - 6 Goals - Up to 88

Diomansy Kamara - 1041 mins - 2 Goals - Down to 86

David Healy - 970 mins - 3 Goals - Up to 87

Brian McBride - 199 mins - 1 Goal - Down to 86

Collins John - 38 mins - Down to 84

Shefti Kuqi - 399 mins - Up to 84

Respectfully disagree on a couple of them - here are my thoughts on Fulham:

Antti Niemi - Stay at 89 - Same has he's always been - good, but not quite great.

Kasey Keller - Stay at 87 - Was better than Niemi when he signed with Fulham, but then got hurt. Should be back in the lineup soon, so a 2 point drop is overly harsh IMO.

Tony Warner - Down to 84 - Poor

Paul Konchesky - Stay at 87 - Was great early on and I would have argued for an increase to 88 or 89. Then got a 3 match ban, hasn't been the same ever since.

Aaron Hughes - Stay at 87 - Position should be CB

Nathan Ashton - Up to 77 - Fair for now

Moritz Volz - Stay at 87 - Injured for much of the season, but he was Fulham's best player yesterday against Chelsea, his first start back.

Chris Baird - Stay at 85 - Poor early in the season, hasn't played well enough to earn an increase yet.

Elliot Omozusi - Up to 81 - Currently Fulham's first choice at RB. Honestly, I think he's much better than that, but I doubt he'll jump by more than 10 at once.

Dejan Stefanovic - Stay at 87 - Now wearing captain's armband, has been Fulham's second best CB this season (behind Hughes)

Philippe Christianval - Down to 83 - Agree, he's good when he plays but he's had tons of injuries over the past couple years

Lee Cook - Stay at 84 - Another injured player, but no reason to believe he'll make a habit out of it.

Ian Pearce - Down to 84 - Same as Christanval

Carlos Bocanegra - Up to 87 - Almost exactly the same player as Stefanovic, deserves the same rating.

Simon Davies - Stay at 87 - Possibly deserves an increase to 88 if his good form continues

Danny Murphy - Stay at 86

Aleksei Smertin - Down to 87 - Great early on, but slowing down with age unfortunately

Steven Davis - Down to 87 - Minutes don't tell the whole story, was dropped from the squad as Lawrie Sanchez was sacked. He's young and shows flashes of potential, but not good enough for an 88 yet.

Jimmy Bullard - Stay at 86 - Still recovering from last season's injury, his rating already went down once due to it. He's good enough to be a 90 when fit, so definitely doesn't deserve an 84. His situation is different from Christanval and Pearce, since this is really the only injury he's ever had.

Claus Jensen - Retired, not sure why he's still in the game

Ki-Hyeon Seol - Down to 85 - Not good enough for the Premiership

Hamuer Bouazza - Stay at 86 - Possibly a raise to 87, but needs to stay fit

Clint Dempsey - Up to 88

Diomansy Kamara - Down to 86 - Agreed, looks to be a good Championship player but nothing more

David Healy - Up to 87

Brian McBride - Stay at 88 - Decrease is a bit harsh. Still Fulham's best striker, but currently out with an injury. Very little doubt that he'll come back at full strength.

Collins John - Down to 84 - He's actually on loan with Leicester City, where he's first choice. Still hasn't done enough to stay at 85, unfortunately.

Shefti Kuqi - Up to 84

Lots of injured players. Some (Christanval, Pearce) have had multiple injuries over the last year and are constantly missing time - they deserve a decrease. Others (McBride, Bullard, Volz) have just been unlucky and should bounce back without problems.

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Here is a list of Players from every English Premier League team. All players that have made league appearances will be included in this list.

Arsenal - 1st

Jens Lehmann - 180 mins - Down to 90

Manuel Almunia - 1620 mins - Up to 89

Gael Clichy - 1783 mins - Up to 91

Emmanuel Eboue - 953 mins - Stay at 89

Bakari Sagna - 1615 mins - Up to 91

William Gallas - 1193 mins - 3 Goals - Stay at 94

Kolo Toure - 1800 mins (every minute) - 1 Goal - Up to 95

Philippe Senderos - 386 mins - 1 Goal - Stay at 88

Alexandre Song - 20 mins - Stay at 84

Lassana Diarra - 369 mins - Stay at 87

Mathieu Flamini - 1516 mins - 2 Goals - Up to 90

Gilberto Silva - 536 mins - Down to 92

Denilson - 275 mins - Up to 86

Vassiriki Diaby - 430 mins - 1 Goal - Up to 88

Francesc Fabregas - 1417 mins - 6 Goals - Up to 95

Tomas Rosicky - 1157 mins - 5 goals - Stay at 93

Aleksandr Hleb - 1252 mins - 2 Goals - Up to 93

Theo Walcott - 424 mins - Up to 87

Robin Van Persie - 611 mins - 5 Goals - Stay at 92

Eduardo da Silva - 462 mins - 2 Goals - Stay at 90

Emmanuel Adebayor - 1497 mins - 11 goals - Up to 91

Nicklas Bendtner - 247 mins - 1 Goal - Up to 86

Aston Villa - 7th

Scott Carson - 1596 mins - Up to 90

Stuart Taylor - 204 mins - Up to 84

Thomas Sorenson - 0 mins - Down to 87

Wilfried Bouma - 1710 mins - Up to 89

Olof Mellberg - 1800 mins - 1 Goal - Stay at 89

Martin Laursen - 1748 mins - 4 Goals - Up to 89

Zat Knight - 1368 mins - 1 Goal - Up to 88

Curtis Davies - 145 mins - 1 Goal - Down to 85

Patrik Berger - 111 mins - Stay at 85

Gareth Barry - 1800 mins - 4 Goals - Up to 91

Stiliyan Petrov - 754 mins - Stay at 89

Nigel Reo-Coker - 1581 mins - Up to 89

Craig Gardner - 795 mins - 3 Goals - Up to 86

Isaiah Osbourne - 82 mins - Stay at 84

Shaun Maloney - 441 mins - 4 Goals - Stay at 88

Ashley Young - 1777 mins - 2 Goals - Up to 89

Gabriel Agbonlahor - 1794 mins - 7 Goals - Up to 89

Luke Moore - 769 mins - 1 Goal - Stay at 87

Marlon Harewood - 78 mins - 1 Goal - Down to 85

John Carew - 1103 mins - 4 Goals - Stay at 90

Birmingham City - 15th

Maik Taylor - 1440 mins - Up to 86

Richard Kingson - 90 mins - Down to 83

Colin Doyle - 270 mins - Stay at 84

Franck Queudrue - 770 mins - Down to 86

Matthew Sadler - 242 mins - Stay at 84

Stephen Kelly - 1800 mins - Stay at 86

Stuart Parnaby - 428 mins - Down to 85

Rafael Schmitz - 805 mins - Down to 86

Johan Djourou - 1155 mins - Stay at 87

Liam Ridgewell - 1710 mins - 1 Goal - Up to 87

Radhi Jaidi - 540 mins - Stay at 85

Sebastian Larsson - 1312 - 2 Goals - Up to 86

Daniel De Ridder - 554 mins - Up to 85

Borja Oubina - 16 mins - Down to 87

Damien Johnson - 315 mins - Down to 85

Fabrice Muamba - 1576 mins - Up to 86

Neil Danns - 23 mins - Stay at 82

Wilson Palacios - 329 mins - Stay at 83

Mehdi Nafti - 1254 mins - Up to 86

Olivier Kapo - 1348 mins - 5 Goals - Stay at 88

Gary McSheffrey - 1214 mins - 2 Goals - Stay at 86

Cameron Jerome - 1457 mins - 5 Goals - Up to 86

Garry O'Connor - 388 mins - 1 Goal - Down to 86

Mikael Forssell - 764 mins - 4 Goals - Up to 85

Blackburn Rovers - 10th

Brad Freidel - 1710 mins - Stay at 89

Stephen Warnock - 1583 - 1 Goal - Up to 88

Andre Ooijer - 1115 mins - Stay at 87

Christopher Samba - 1619 mins - 1 Goal - Up to 88

Zurab Khizanishvili - 172 mins - Down to 86

Ryan Nelson - 946 mins - Stay at 88

Brett Emerton - 1587 mins - 1 Goal - Stay at 88

Bruno Berner - 90 mins - Down to 84

Morten Gamst Pedersen - 1357 mins - Down to 90

Steven Reid - 342 mins - Stay at 86

Aaron Mokoena - 539 mins - Stay at 86

Robbie Savage - 808 mins - Down to 87

Kerimoglu Tuguy - 728 mins - 2 Goals - Down to 87

David Dunn - 1270 mins - 1 Goal - Up to 87

David Bentley - 1610 mins - 4 Goals - Up to 90

Maceo Rigters - 5 mins - Down to 83

Benni McCarthy - 1063 mins - 5 Goals - Down to 90

Roque Santa Cruz - 1523 mins - 9 Goals - Up to 90

Jason Roberts - 284 mins - Down to 85

Matt Derbyshire - 308 mins - 1 Goal - Stay at 85

Bolton Wanderers - 16th

Jussi Jaaskelainen - 1800 mins - Down to 91

Ricardo Gardner - 1278 mins - Stay at 87

J'Lloyd Samuel - 736 mins - Up to 86

Nicky Hunt - 1048 mins - Stay at 87

Joey O'Brien - 530 mins - Stay at 85

Abdoulaye Meite - 1665 mins - Stay at 88

Gerald Cid - 509 mins - Stay at 86

Andy O'Brien - 1201 mins - Up to 86

Lubomir Michalik - 226 mins - Up to 84

Quinton Fortune - 0 mins - Down to 83

Stelios Giannakopolous - 96 mins - Down to 85

David Thompson - 0 mins - Down to 83

Kevin Nolan - 1508 mins - 3 Goals - Stay at 89

Gavin McCann - 1052 mins - Down to 87

Blerim Dzemali - 0 mins - Down to 83

Andranik Teymourian - 56 mins - Down to 84

Olano Mikel Alonso - 360 mins - Down to 85

Danny Guthrie - 801 mins - Up to 85

Ramos Ivan Campo - 1077 mins - 1 Goal - Down to 87

Christian Wilhelmsson - 168 mins - Down to 87

Daniel Braaten - 150 mins - 1 goal - Down to 85

Nicolas Anelka - 1518 mins 10 Goals - Stay at 92

El Hadji Diouf - 1564 mins - 3 Goals - Stay at 90

Heidar Helguson - 109 mins - 1 Goal - Down to 85

Ricardo Vaz Te - 45 mins - Down to 84

Kevin Davies - 1245 mins - 1 Goal - Down to 87

Abdoulaye Diagne-Faye - 90 mins + 644 mins for Newcastle - Down to 87

Gary Speed - 968 mins - 1 Goal - Down to 87

Chelsea - 3rd

Petr Cech - 1323 mins - Stay at 96

Carlo Cudicini - 360 mins - Down to 86

Henrique Hilario - 117 mins - Uo to 84

Ashley Cole - 1243 mins - Stay at 93

Wayne Bridge - 360 mins - Down to 88

Juliano Belletti - 1106 mins - 1 Goal - Up to 90

Renato Paulo Ferreira - 592 mins - Stay at 88

Rodrigo Alex - 1131 mins - 1 Goal - Stay at 92

Tal Ben Haim - 838 mins - Stay at 89

Alberto Ricardo Carvalho - 678 mins - Down to 93

John Terry - 892 mins - Down to 96

Florent Malouda - 788 mins - 1 Goal - Down to 91

Shaun Wright-Phillips - 1040 mins - 1 Goal - Up to 90

Claude Makelele - 398 mins - Down to 91

Frank Lampard - 1284 mins - 5 Goal - Stay at 96

John Obi Mikel - 1244 mins - Up to 90

Michael Ballack - 140 mins - 1 Goal - Down to 92

Michael Essien - 1138 mins - 3 Goals - Up to 96

Steve Sidwell - 460 mins - Stay at 88

Joe Cole - 1138 mins - 3 Goals - Up to 93

Saloman Kalou - 1202 mins - 4 Goals - Up to 92

Andriy Shevchenko - 666 mins - 4 Goals - Down to 92

Scott Sinclair - 15 mins - Up to 84

Didier Drogba - 878 mins - 5 Goals - Stay at 96

Claudio Pizarro - 534 mins - 1 Goal - Down to 89

Derby County - 20th

Stephen Bywater - 1620 mins - Stay at 85

Lewis Price - 180 mins - Up to 83

Andy Griffin - 1148 mins - Down to 85

Jay McEveley - 1231 mins - 1 Goal - Stay at 84

Mohammed Camara - 62 mins - Down to 82

Tyrone Mears - 1337 mins - Stay at 84

Marc Edworthy - 90 mins - Down to 82

Andy Todd - 391 mins - 1 Goal - Down to 83

Dean Leacock - 1124 mins - Stay at 85

Darren Moore - 1167 mins - Stay at 84

Michael Johnson - 122 mins - Down to 82

Stephen Pearson - 1555 mins - Stay at 85

Eddie Lewis - 816 mins - Down to 83

Gary Teale - 810 mins - Down 83

Matt Oakley - 1578 - 3 Goals - Stay at 86

David Jones - 209 mins - Down to 83

Benny Feilhaber - 217 mins - Down to 83

Robert Malcolm - 58 mins - Down to 82

Giles Barnes - 950 mins - 1 Goal - Stay at 85

Craig Fagan - 859 mins - Stay at 84

Kenny Miller - 1181 mins - 3 Goals - Down to 86

Rob Earnshaw - 372 mins - Down to 84

Steve Howard - 1395 mins - 1 Goal - Stay at 85

Jonathan Macken - 12 mins - Stay at 82

Everton - 6th

Tim Howard - 1620 mins - Stay at 90

Stefan Wessels - 180 mins - Up to 85

Leighton Baines - 614 mins - Down to 87

Jorge Nuno Valente - 360 mins - Down to 85

Tony Hibbert - 975 mins - Up to 88

Joleon Lescott - 1755 mins - 3 Goals - Up to 90

Joseph Yobo - 1625 mins - Up to 89

Alan Stubbs - 561 mins - 1 Goal - Stay at 87

Steven Pienaar - 1248 mins - 2 Goals - Stay ay 89

Thomas Gravesen - 145 mins - Down to 86

Phil Neville - 1654 mins - 1 Goal - Stay at 90

Lee Carsley - 1346 mins - 1 Goal - Up to 89

Phil Jagielka - 1110 mins - Up to 88

Mikel Arteta - 1523 mins - 1 Goal - Stay at 92

Tim Cahill - 863 mins - 6 Goals - Stay at 91

Leon Osman - 1249 mins - 3 Goals - Up to 89

Andy Van der Meyde - 0 mins - Down to 83

Andy Johnson - 842 mins - 3 Goal - Down to 89

James McFadden - 336 mins - 1 Goal - Stay at 87

Aiyegbeni Yakubu - 1095 mins - 9 Goals - Stay at 91

James Vaughan - 12 mins - 1 Goal - Down to 84

Victor Anichebe - 644 mins - 1 Goal - Up to 86

Fulham - 19th

Antti Niemi - 1260 mins - Stay at 89

Kasey Keller - 270 mins - Down to 85

Tony Warner - 270 mins - Stay at 85

Paul Konchesky - 1395 mins - Stay at 87

Aaron Hughes - 1233 mins - Stay at 87

Nathan Ashton - 90 mins - Up to 77

Moritz Volz - 63 mins - Down to 84

Chris Baird - 1103 mins - Up to 86

Elliot Omozusi - 599 mins - Up to 81

Dejan Stefanovic - 900 mins - Down to 86

Philippe Christianval - 0 mins - Down to 83

Lee Cook - 0 mins - Down to 83

Ian Pearce - 35 mins - Down to 84

Carlos Bocanegra - 1395 mins - 1 Goal - Up to 87

Simon Davies - 1680 mins - 3 Goals - Stay at 87

Danny Murphy - 1015 mins - 2 Goals - Stay at 86

Aleksei Smertin - 851 mins - 2 Goals - Down to 87

Steven Davis - 1639 mins - Stay at 88

Jimmy Bullard - 0 mins - Down to 84

Claus Jensen - 0 mins - Doen to 83

Ki-Hyeon Seol - 277 mins - Down to 85

Hamuer Bouazza - 1085 mins - 1 Goal - Stay at 86

Clint Dempsey - 1566 mins - 6 Goals - Up to 88

Diomansy Kamara - 1041 mins - 2 Goals - Down to 86

David Healy - 970 mins - 3 Goals - Up to 87

Brian McBride - 199 mins - 1 Goal - Down to 86

Collins John - 38 mins - Down to 84

Shefti Kuqi - 399 mins - Up to 84

Liverpool - 4th

Jose Reina - 1710 mins - Stay at 93

Charles Itandje - 0 mins - Down to 87

Rodrigues Fabio Aurelio - 351 mins - Stay at 88

Steve Finnan - 1084 mins - Down to 92

Jamie Carragher - 1555 mins - Stay at 94

Daniel Agger - 436 mins - Down to 90

Sami Hyypia - 1156 mins - 1 Goal - Up to 90

Jack Hobbs - 130 mins - Up to 79

Alvaro Arbeloa - 1345 mins - Up to 90

John Arne Riise - 1243 mins - Stay at 92

Harry Kewell - 393 mins - Stay at 88

Sebastian Leto - 0 mins - Down to 84

Jermaine Pennant - 594 mins - Down to 88

Yossi Benayoun - 793 mins - 2 Goals - Up to 89

Steven Gerrard - 1413 mins - 7 Goals - Stay at 97

Olano Xabi Alonso - 593 mins - 2 Goals - Down to 93

Mohammed Sissoko - 554 mins - 1 Goal - Down to 89

Leiva Lucas - 216 mins - Stay at 88

Javier Mascherano - 1056 mins - Stay at 92

Ryan Babel - 632 mins - 3 Goals - Stay at 89

Dirk Kuijt - 1105 mins -3 Goals - Stay at 92

Andriy Voronin - 770 mins - 3 Goals - Stay at 90

Jose Fernando Torres - 1232 mins - 9 Goals - Up to 94

Peter Crouch - 449 mins - Down to 90

So this is the end of part 1. The next 10 clubs will be done later today. These rating are my opinion only and the mins and goals are based on league appearances.

waste of time unless you add reasons for it.

going by minutes played and goals alone doesn't tell the full story to how a player is playing. in fact if anything, it can paint a false picture.

so unless there is some reason behind it then this becomes a waste of time.

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waste of time unless you add reasons for it.

going by minutes played and goals alone doesn't tell the full story to how a player is playing. in fact if anything' date=' it can paint a false picture.

so unless there is some reason behind it then this becomes a waste of time.[/quote']

Well, FastEddie, since you have a huge 2 posts you obviously understand the rating system far better than I do! Doesn't matter I have been on the game nearly 2 years and have a very good knowledge of how the rating system works, you obviously are better qualified to say so! The posts took a combined 6 hours to do and giving reasons for each player would have taken it to about 10 hours, just didn't have another 4 hours free! Perhaps you would like to do one!

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Well' date=' FastEddie, since you have a huge 2 posts you obviously understand the rating system far better than I do! Doesn't matter I have been on the game nearly 2 years and have a very good knowledge of how the rating system works, you obviously are better qualified to say so! The posts took a combined 6 hours to do and giving reasons for each player would have taken it to about 10 hours, just didn't have another 4 hours free! Perhaps you would like to do one![/quote']

who's to say i haven't been playing the game from the very beginning and have only just ventured on to the forum. that's very presumptuous of you, and like your ratings, incorrect.

i know full well how the ratings work.

if i did do one then i wouldn't generalise it as much as you have. bigger isn't necessarily better.

so you researched every single player you gave a rating to?

ok.

fancy enlightening us on why you think stilian petrov should stay at 89?

or

why benny feilhaber should drop to 83 which, incidentally, is the same value you believe eddie lewis should drop to?

p.s. spending two years on the game doesn't mean you are automatically correct so you can kick that argument into touch right away.

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who's to say i haven't been playing the game from the very beginning and have only just ventured on to the forum. that's very presumptuous of you' date=' and like your ratings, incorrect.

i know full well how the ratings work.

if i did do one then i wouldn't generalise it as much as you have. bigger isn't necessarily better.

so you researched every single player you gave a rating to?

ok.

fancy enlightening us on why you think stilian petrov should stay at 89?

or

why benny feilhaber should drop to 83 which, incidentally, is the same value you believe eddie lewis should drop to?

p.s. spending two years on the game doesn't mean you are automatically correct so you can kick that argument into touch right away.[/quote']

Presumptuous but probably right! Yes I did research ervery single player! Where do you think I got their minutes played from......magiced them? Ask any experienced forumer or indeed game developer whether I know what I'm talking about with regards to the ratings, I have consistantly got predictions rigfht for a long time now.h

Stiliyan Petrov is pretty much a first choice midfielder for a strong Aston Villa team this season and when he has played has been in decent form so him staying at 89 is perfectly fine in my opinion!

Feilhaber and Eddie Lewis are playing for an appalling Derby side and are not even first choice, stands to reason they would get a drop in ratings. They are nothing more than mediocre Championship players and since championship players are rated between 80-85 and 83 seems perfectly reasonable for them.

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It says you have to subscribe and pay :confused:.

Anyone got any other sites' date=' because I'm not to good on foreign football :).[/quote']

Ross, PM me and you will get the website I use for my scouting. ;)

Don't want to say it to everyone out here.

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Bit Harsh Tom, I think Leigh Does watch the Games & I Think Hes Just Adding Mintes played for Info Purposes, Pretty Sure He has Rated thenm according to what he think they should get, Time Will tell if he was Accurate or not on each player, no 1 can be 100%

As for Healy IMO He Derserves 89/90 Simply because of his international performences

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Presumptuous but probably right! Yes I did research ervery single player! Where do you think I got their minutes played from......magiced them? Ask any experienced forumer or indeed game developer whether I know what I'm talking about with regards to the ratings' date=' I have consistantly got predictions rigfht for a long time now.[/quote']

so you get your stats from soccerassociation. big wowzers. unless you're actually following these players week in week out then your ratings aren't grounded in the reality of the form and ability these players are showing/producing. i watch the prem all the time but i'd never dream of making a list that size because i know i'm basing it on stats.

listen to benjamin for a tip: there are lies, **** lies and statistics.

Stiliyan Petrov is pretty much a first choice midfielder for a strong Aston Villa team this season and when he has played has been in decent form so him staying at 89 is perfectly fine in my opinion!

hmmm... he's been in and out of the team since the beginning of december. why..? because his form has been poor and he's been a shadow of the midfielder he was in the SPL. the step up in class has probably been too much for him too handle and i certainly wouldn't keep him at 89 given his current form which is one of the main pre-requisites when rating changes are taking place.

Feilhaber and Eddie Lewis are playing for an appalling Derby side and are not even first choice' date=' stands to reason they would get a drop in ratings. They are nothing more than mediocre Championship players and since championship players are rated between 80-85 and 83 seems perfectly reasonable for them.[/quote']

my mates a county fan and although feilhaber hasn't had a decent crack of the whip he says that lewis is a gamer who always gives it a good shot when on the pitch. he's certainly had a lot more playing time than feilhaber, who billy davies obviously wasn't a fan of. infact, the only reason feilhaber is actually seeing more time now is because of the injuries that are piling up in derby's central midfield. so i wonder why you have both down to 83?

finally, here's a little tip. if you don't want criticism i suggest you stop posting on a forum. you can't have everyone agreeing with you all the time.

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Bit Harsh Tom' date=' I think Leigh Does watch the Games & I Think Hes Just Adding Mintes played for Info Purposes, Pretty Sure He has Rated thenm according to what he think they should get, Time Will tell if he was Accurate or not on each player, no 1 can be 100%

As for Healy IMO He Derserves 89/90 Simply because of his international performences[/quote']

Shels... what did I do wrong?

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so you get your stats from soccerassociation. big wowzers. unless you're actually following these players week in week out then your ratings aren't grounded in the reality of the form and ability these players are showing/producing. i watch the prem all the time but i'd never dream of making a list that size because i know i'm basing it on stats.

listen to benjamin for a tip: there are lies' date=' **** lies and statistics. [/quote']

Yes I do follow the players week in and week out. I watch the premiership more than any other and my ratings are based on a combination or personal opinion (as stated) and statisics, much like SM's will be I might add!

hmmm... he's been in and out of the team since the beginning of december. why..? because his form has been poor and he's been a shadow of the midfielder he was in the SPL. the step up in class has probably been too much for him too handle and i certainly wouldn't keep him at 89 given his current form which is one of the main pre-requisites when rating changes are taking place.

Shows your lack of experience....ratings are based on form over a period of the last 2 years' date=' current form is not the most important thing! As I have said previously, form is temporary and class is permanent. If SM changes people's rating every time they had 3/4 good or bad games we would have rating changes every 5 minutes! Lastly, the most popular rating change by a mile is no change, another reason why I believe there will be no change for a player that has played nearly 50% of the time for an overachieving team!

my mates a county fan and although feilhaber hasn't had a decent crack of the whip he says that lewis is a gamer who always gives it a good shot when on the pitch. he's certainly had a lot more playing time than feilhaber, who billy davies obviously wasn't a fan of. infact, the only reason feilhaber is actually seeing more time now is because of the injuries that are piling up in derby's central midfield. so i wonder why you have both down to 83?

Whether your mate is a fan or not, Derby have been shocking this season and are clearly out of their depth. I have watched them a fair few times (including right now) and all I can say is that they would probably not even be a top half championship side this season so their premiership hopes are bleak to say the least. Both players have played a similar amount of time and both been equally out of their depth, hence the 83 for both! Like I have said though (many times), it's my personal opinion, not nescessarily what will happen! To come on and call someone's post a waste of time is severely harsh especially when it is clear a lot of work went into the post. What gives you the god given right to decide what people's time should be posting?

finally' date=' here's a little tip. if you don't want criticism i suggest you stop posting on a forum. you can't have everyone agreeing with you all the time.[/quote']

Finally, wouldn't dream of it! I am open to debate and in no way have ever stated that my opinions should not be argued with. Just don't like being told by someone who joined tonight that my posts are a waste of time! I fully respect your opinions and you make some very good poits, they are just not points I agree with, like you say, it would be boring if I did!

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Yes I do follow the players week in and week out. I watch the premiership more than any other and my ratings are based on a combination or personal opinion (as stated) and statisics' date=' much like SM's will be I might add![/quote']

if your telling me you've seen enough of all of those players to base an assessment on each and every one of them then i say you're lying. how many times have you seen derby county live this season? be it on tv or in the flesh.

highlights and stats are never, ever, going to give a true representation of a players form or ability. do you watch every youtube clip of a player and think how wonderful he must be?

Shows your lack of experience....ratings are based on form over a period of the last 2 years' date=' current form is not the most important thing! As I have said previously, form is temporary and class is permanent. If SM changes people's rating every time they had 3/4 good or bad games we would have rating changes every 5 minutes! Lastly, the most popular rating change by a mile is no change, another reason why I believe there will be no change for a player that has played nearly 50% of the time for an overachieving team![/quote']

of course it isn't judged over 3/4 games. there's been more played than that since petrov went off the boil. if a players rating is judged over 2 years then does that mean they only have 1 rating change every two years for each country.........? :rolleyes:

Whether your mate is a fan or not' date=' Derby have been shocking this season and are clearly out of their depth. I have watched them a fair few times (including right now) and all I can say is that they would probably not even be a top half championship side this season so their premiership hopes are bleak to say the least. Both players have played a similar amount of time and both been equally out of their depth, hence the 83 for both! Like I have said though (many times), it's my personal opinion, not nescessarily what will happen! To come on and call someone's post a waste of time is severely harsh especially when it is clear a lot of work went into the post. What gives you the god given right to decide what people's time should be posting?[/quote']

similar amount of time. feilhaber - one league start. lewis - 10 league starts. you see this to me smacks of the fact that you haven't seen enough of either player to accurately predict a change. they play for derby therefore they're all tarred with the same brush. do you believe that feilhaber deserves to be rated the same as lewis because his national coach has a boner for him and gives him the playing time he hasn't seen in the prem? is feilhaber a bust that hamburg were glad to cash in on? has his chances of showing what he can do been limited by other players playing in front of him such as barnes and pearson?

is eddie lewis over the hill? is he playing at the top of his game at the minute and still struggling in the premiership? is he showing enough when playing for derby or is he only getting a game because there are not a lot of legitimate contenders for his position in the team?

Just don't like being told by someone who joined tonight that my posts are a waste of time!

have i said your posts are a waste of time? nope.

i said this post was a waste of time. i read it, i gave my reasons (which i stand by) why i thought it was a waste of time. i haven't seen anything from you yet that would make me think differently. if anything i should be the person feeling aggrieved as it seems unless you are a regular poster and not in a 'clique' then you have no right to an opinion.

long live democracy on the SM forum then eh :rolleyes:

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similar amount of time. feilhaber - one league start. lewis - 10 league starts. you see this to me smacks of the fact that you haven't seen enough of either player to accurately predict a change. they play for derby therefore they're all tarred with the same brush. do you believe that feilhaber deserves to be rated the same as lewis because his national coach has a boner for him and gives him the playing time he hasn't seen in the prem? is feilhaber a bust that hamburg were glad to cash in on? has his chances of showing what he can do been limited by other players playing in front of him such as barnes and pearson?

is eddie lewis over the hill? is he playing at the top of his game at the minute and still struggling in the premiership? is he showing enough when playing for derby or is he only getting a game because there are not a lot of legitimate contenders for his position in the team?

No there are not rating increases every 2 years' date=' they happen every 12 weeks but that does not mean players ratings are only based on the previous 12 weeks, only an idiot would think that!

Starts or not, they have both been poor in a very poor Derby side. Whether or not the USA manager fancies Lewis or not, that's not the point, he has played less international football than Feilhaber so that will be reflected in their ratings. Lewis has played more league mins (as listed) but is over the hill and out of his depth! Both at an 83 is perfectly reasonable and justifyable.

have i said your posts are a waste of time? nope.

i said this post was a waste of time. i read it, i gave my reasons (which i stand by) why i thought it was a waste of time. i haven't seen anything from you yet that would make me think differently. if anything i should be the person feeling aggrieved as it seems unless you are a regular poster and not in a 'clique' then you have no right to an opinion.

long live democracy on the SM forum then eh :rolleyes:

Erm......Are you aware of what a contradiction is? Read your above quote and if you are bright enough to know what it is you will see that is exactly what you have done in 2 lines!

You have no idea who I am and have been on the forum 5 minutes, what makes you think I am in a 'clique' or that there even is a 'clique' on this forum? I can assure you I am not and that there isn't one as far as I am aware. Also getting personal with someone you don't know won't adhere yourself to many!

Democracy, big word........sure you understand it? Read the whole forum then make comments like that. If you don't like it you can always leave, no-one is forcing you to post here.

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No there are not rating increases every 2 years' date=' they happen every 12 weeks but that does not mean players ratings are only based on the previous 12 weeks, only an idiot would think that!

Starts or not, they have both been poor in a very poor Derby side. Whether or not the USA manager fancies Lewis or not, that's not the point, he has played less international football than Feilhaber so that will be reflected in their ratings. Lewis has played more league mins (as listed) but is over the hill and out of his depth! Both at an 83 is perfectly reasonable and justifyable.

Erm......Are you aware of what a contradiction is? Read your above quote and if you are bright enough to know what it is you will see that is exactly what you have done in 2 lines!

You have no idea who I am and have been on the forum 5 minutes, what makes you think I am in a 'clique' or that there even is a 'clique' on this forum? I can assure you I am not and that there isn't one as far as I am aware. Also getting personal with someone you don't know won't adhere yourself to many!

Democracy, big word........sure you understand it? Read the whole forum then make comments like that. If you don't like it you can always leave, no-one is forcing you to post here.[/quote']

I'm backing Leigh here. When you look around the forum more instead of actually ranting about the first person you see online, you might notice Leigh is in a Clique and it involves people unlike yourself who know what they are talking about and who I have upmost respect for. Leigh is a great forumer and huge contribution to this forum whereas from you i've yet to see a thing besides a little rant and something about an american with an erection.

Seems your trying to act grown up but it isnt working.

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No there are not rating increases every 2 years' date=' they happen every 12 weeks but that does not mean players ratings are only based on the previous 12 weeks, [b']only an idiot would think that[/b]!

precisely why i put the smiley in..... :rolleyes: (did you see that one...?)

the reason i brought it up was you based that as part of your argument. are you therefore suggesting that form from two years ago is equally as relevant as form from 2 months ago.....?

Starts or not' date=' they have both been poor in a very poor Derby side. Whether or not the USA manager fancies Lewis or not, that's not the point, he has played less international football than Feilhaber so that will be reflected in their ratings. [b']Lewis has played more league mins[/b] (as listed) but is over the hill and out of his depth! Both at an 83 is perfectly reasonable and justifyable.

and yet on your previous post you stated they had played a similar amount. i added some insights to give you a better idea for constructing your argument as to why you have rated them as such and you're using them now.

well done. there is hope for you yet. ;)

Erm......Are you aware of what a contradiction is? Read your above quote and if you are bright enough to know what it is you will see that is exactly what you have done in 2 lines!

You have no idea who I am and have been on the forum 5 minutes' date=' what makes you think I am in a 'clique' or that there even is a 'clique' on this forum? I can assure you I am not and that there isn't one as far as I am aware. Also getting personal with someone you don't know won't adhere yourself to many!

Democracy, big word........sure you understand it? Read the whole forum then make comments like that. If you don't like it you can always leave, no-one is forcing you to post here.[/quote']

and what contradiction did i make? you suggested i have bad mouthed your posts. i replied that you are incorrect. i gave my opinion on a single post of yours. since then we have debated that subject and as far as i'm aware i haven't mentioned any of your other posts ...... yet. (give me time though. i'm sure there are a few other gems out there)

of course i know all about demcracy. i have stated my opinion on a post of yours which you replied to begin with suggesting i had no right to because i am new to the forum. since when was that a pre-requisite. therefore, by your suggestion, am i to assume that one attains a higher position on the forum of soccer manager by time served and the beginners are not allowed to query their posting logic?

you believe this to be democratic......?

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My first post was very tongue in cheek and sarcastic......did you not pick that up? If not, that would be because you are new and don't know me!

Hope for me yet? Perhaps???:)

Also, I said I do not like my posts being called a waste of time. To say, 'i do not like my post being called a waste of time' would be directed only at you. This is a forum, it was written for all to read, hence the (s) as it is better english! You may not have criticised my other posts yet, but go ahead, I will be more than delighted to debate them with you too!

I don't think it is unfair to ask you to read the rest of the forum before criticising the way it is run, but then that's my opinion. Newbies are perfectly welcome to challenge any post they so wish but to come on saying that a post is a waste of time with your second post is not very tactful is it? Basically comes across as someone with a huge chip on their shoulder to most normal people!

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