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The thing about your dependency on minutes played for rating changes, is that it does not reflect the quality of the performance, for example, someone playing only half the games may have been immense after coming back from injury, yet the player who filled in for them may have played more minutes but turned in several average performances.

Example : You have Dickson Etuhu rising to 86, playing 1331 minutes. However, you also have Kenwyne Jones rising to the same amount.

Now I regularly see Sunderland play, you may not have, but Etuhu is extremely poor, especially in comparison to the form and ability of others you have rated at 85 or 84.

It's no coincidence that he hasn't played in the last two games Sunderland have won.

Just a suggestion that you should not just base your ratings changes/opinions of players predominantly on their time on the pitch. It may have no relation to their contribution to the team.

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Re: Leigh's Comprehensive English Player Ratings - Part 2 When you look though m8 they are crazy sometime's,and whilst i can understand player's dropping because of injury, i don't think they should.

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The thing about your dependency on minutes played for rating changes' date=' is that it does not reflect the quality of the performance, for example, someone playing only half the games may have been immense after coming back from injury, yet the player who filled in for them may have played more minutes but turned in several average performances.

Example : You have Dickson Etuhu rising to 86, playing 1331 minutes. However, you also have Kenwyne Jones rising to the same amount.

Now I regularly see Sunderland play, you may not have, but Etuhu is extremely poor, especially in comparison to the form and ability of others you have rated at 85 or 84.

It's no coincidence that he hasn't played in the last two games Sunderland have won.

Just a suggestion that you should not just base your ratings changes/opinions of players predominantly on their time on the pitch. It may have no relation to their contribution to the team.[/quote']

I haven't mate, those are there purely as a point of reference. Also these ratings were done on the 31/12/2007, so before the last 2 Sunderland games. I have seen Sunderland a fair bit this season and have thought Etuhu looks ok and has done the job he was bought for.

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that was a SCARY drop for the spurs:eek:

Yeah I agree, I think they have been overharsh on Robinson definitely! It also seems to me there has been clear inconsistancies with lots of the player ratings today.

I am pleased with a lot of them though. Seems I got a fair amount right too.

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Im really not happy that sol campbell went down. I feel this is extremely harsh! he has been key for portsmouth since signing, has had a very solid partnership with distin this season and the pair have used their vast premier league experience to keep goals conceded to a minimum (hence portsmouths impressive season so far). Also showed he could still do a job for England even at the age of 33, alrite England failed but i thought he was particularly outstanding in Moscow against Russia. Im shocked and thought he was well worth his 91 rating. He is still up their with the best the premier league has to offer :(

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Im really not happy that sol campbell went down. I feel this is extremely harsh! he has been key for portsmouth since signing' date=' has had a very solid partnership with distin this season and the pair have used their vast premier league experience to keep goals conceded to a minimum (hence portsmouths impressive season so far). Also showed he could still do a job for England even at the age of 33, alrite England failed but i thought he was particularly outstanding in Moscow against Russia. Im shocked and thought he was well worth his 91 rating. He is still up their with the best the premier league has to offer :([/quote']

I totally agree, I think that is one of the most shocking rating changes of all! How can SM say that Julien Faubert who has not played the entire season has the same current form as Sol Campbell who is in excellent form, has represented his country this season and is first name on the team sheet for a team punching above their weight? I agree this is totally harsh!:confused::mad:

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I totally agree' date=' I think that is one of the most shocking rating changes of all! How can SM say that Julien Faubert who has not played the entire season has the same current form as Sol Campbell who is in excellent form, has represented his country this season and is first name on the team sheet for a team punching above their weight? I agree this is totally harsh!:confused::mad:[/quote']

Totally agree m8. Im also very disappointed that Eduardo hasnt gone up. astonished infact. He might still go up but how can SM say hes not as good as someone like Dirk Kuyt or Tuncay Sanli? when you look at his record, and anyone who appreciates great football would understand the bloke is top class and is easily 91 standard.

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Kenwyne Jones only rising to 86, should be 87 at least, the amount of assists this man gets, unbelievable. And Agbonlahor and Ashley Young only getting an 89, should both be 90 easily.

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Kenwyne Jones only rising to 86' date=' should be 87 at least, the amount of assists this man gets, unbelievable. And Agbonlahor and Ashley Young only getting an 89, should both be 90 easily.[/quote']

I am sure these rises will come in time if their form continues. SM often err on the side of caution and I think the ratings for these 3 players were all fair this time around.

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Have SM ever seen Dirk Kuyt play? hes a joke and somehow only dropped by 1, maybe they forgot to add a '0' to make it 10. Id like to see how they can justify clowns like Tuncay and Kuyt being 91's whilst other quality players, not just strikers, are being nocked down or not moving up like they should. as i said previuosly im astonished that Eduardo hasnt gone up. Hes shown more ability in half a season then Kuyt has since moving to the prem.

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Have SM ever seen Dirk Kuyt play? hes a joke and somehow only dropped by 1' date=' maybe they forgot to add a '0' to make it 10. Id like to see how they can justify clowns like Tuncay and Kuyt being 91's whilst other quality players, not just strikers, are being nocked down or not moving up like they should. as i said previuosly im astonished that Eduardo hasnt gone up. Hes shown more ability in half a season then Kuyt has since moving to the prem.[/quote']

Kuyt might not be scoring goals as he did in Holland but his work rate is amazing . When you see other strikers who can't score much goals due to a dip in form eg. Shevchenko , Pizzaro , Owen etc. you realise that they loose the ball a lot and do not run much as if they just woke up and run to the pitch or haven't trained for ages , giving a pass is a problem as if the ball as heavy for their feet .

But Kuyt is in a different class , if you watch Liverpool's games he sometimes fights for the ball more than Mascherano even does and that is very good because he is a team player . Maybe many goals were expected from him but has turned out to be different.

Take Anderson for instance he came as the new Ronaldinho who can dribble past defenders , but he's changed in the EPL becoming a key midfielder in Man. Utd's team playing in a more defensively role as he is used to , would you say Anderson is crap ?

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Kuyt might not be scoring goals as he did in Holland but his work rate is amazing . When you see other strikers who can't score much goals due to a dip in form eg. Shevchenko ' date=' Pizzaro , Owen etc. you realise that they loose the ball a lot and do not run much as if they just woke up and run to the pitch or haven't trained for ages , giving a pass is a problem as if the ball as heavy for their feet .

But Kuyt is in a different class , if you watch Liverpool's games he sometimes fights for the ball more than Mascherano even does and that is very good because he is a team player . Maybe many goals were expected from him but has turned out to be different.

Take Anderson for instance he came as the new Ronaldinho who can dribble past defenders , but he's changed in the EPL becoming a key midfielder in Man. Utd's team playing in a more defensively role as he is used to , would you say Anderson is crap ?[/quote']

anderson and kuyt are 2 different positions and 2 different players. but kuyts job first and foremost as a striker is to score goals and he doesnt do that on a regular enough basis for him to be a 91 striker. and dont get me started with andriy voronin, how hes kept his 90 rating i will never know! im really astonished, I think the ratings have been a mess and the terms of the ratings are largely inconsistent.

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anderson and kuyt are 2 different positions and 2 different players. but kuyts job first and foremost as a striker is to score goals and he doesnt do that on a regular enough basis for him to be a 91 striker. and dont get me started with andriy voronin' date=' how hes kept his 90 rating i will never know! im really astonished, I think the ratings have been a mess and the terms of the ratings are largely inconsistent.[/quote']

I am well aware that they are different players with different positions , but what i meant was that Kuyt came in to score goals , and Anderson came in "Ronaldinalise" in Man. Utd . Both failed , and have had a change in their playing styles . We see it from the view that he is not scoring goals so he isn't playing all that well , but an experienced coach will like to have him in his team because of teamwork . If Torres bangs most of the goals and Kuyt helps the midfield , who cares ?

I admit that Kuyt isn't scoring goals as he did in Holland which is a negative thing for the team but you must also admit that he is trying his best for the team - more than the likes of Owen etc .

Please lets end it here , as this thread is meant for English ratings , lets not focus much on Kuyt .

thanks.

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Kenwyne Jones only rising to 86' date=' should be 87 at least, the amount of assists this man gets, unbelievable. And Agbonlahor and Ashley Young only getting an 89, should both be 90 easily.[/quote']

I have to agree, I feel very hard done by..

Kenwyne Jones is definatly Sunderlands best player and deserves a 87, he has already proved himself enough for an 87, its not like having to prove yourself to be a 90

as for ashley young I dont think its right that he doesnt get a 90..

before there was a 2 week brake in the changes I brought Benjani and I brougth Ashley young.. I think Benjani at the time was a 90 for certain.. and that Young should have got an 89 for now...

however in the time since I brought them Benjanis form went and I think 89 is reasonable.. but Ashley Youngs form got better and better and I think he should be 90.. but now I have just 2 89's cos of how the changes have gone...

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I have to agree' date=' I feel very hard done by..

Kenwyne Jones is definatly Sunderlands best player and deserves a 87, he has already proved himself enough for an 87, its not like having to prove yourself to be a 90

as for ashley young I dont think its right that he doesnt get a 90..

before there was a 2 week brake in the changes I brought Benjani and I brougth Ashley young.. I think Benjani at the time was a 90 for certain.. and that Young should have got an 89 for now...

however in the time since I brought them Benjanis form went and I think 89 is reasonable.. but Ashley Youngs form got better and better and I think he should be 90.. but now I have just 2 89's cos of how the changes have gone...[/quote']

Kenwyne Jones should definitely have got 87 without a doubt. Ashley Young deserved a 90 - two point rise for an England debut and great domestic form - think he has the most assists in the league. But Jones baffles me too - 86 for a lone striker who has been immense all season (Sol Campbell couldn't handle him on Sunday) is too low...

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Essien still hasn't received a 96 and I'm really surprised to say the least. He is our best midfielder by far' date=' him and Lampard make a great partnership for Chelsea. Essien always gives 110% and needs to be appreciated on SM as a 96.[/quote']

But a 96 would make him better than Fabregas which i don't think he is.:D

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Like you guy's have said, Campbell is easily a 91 player, if not 92 imo,and for him to drop is not right. I'm a Newcastle fan and to say Beye is the same quality as him is a joke,he's far better and should only have risen if his rating was to change. Other player's whose rating's are wrong imo are:

Papa Boupa Diop should easily have went to a 89 maybe even a 90

Sulley Ali Muntari is a 91 player easy

Dickson Etuhu if Anderson is 87 then he should be easy

Kenwyne Jones if Chopra is 85 he need's to be 87

Micah Richards is easily international quality so should be a 91,imo he's a 92

Michael Johnson could have made a 88 no problem

Stephen Ireland if the like's of Milner are 88 then he should be 89

Paul Scholes was injured i so don't think he's a worse player because of that

Luis Nani should have made 90 with some of his performance's

Wayne Rooney should have went down to a 94-95 without a doubt

Wes Brown should have went up 1 or 2

Patrice Evra should be a 94 or something imo

Edwin Van Der Sar should have went up 1

Luis Anderson once again,is a far better player than Milner

David Bentley is one of the best RM in the league and shouldd be a 91 imo

David Dunn should have went up 1 more imo

Nicky Shorey is one of the best LB in the EPL so should be higher than 88

Dave Kitson is better than 87 imo

Gary Mcsheffrey should have made 88 imo,because????? you guessed it,he's better than Milner lol

Mikael Forssell and Cameron Jerome are both underrated too imo

There is more than this too,these are just some of the main one's imo. There is a couple probably more obvious though, SWP and Juliano Belletti who are both way underrated and should both have made 91. Imo there is far too many underrated player's every time there is rating change's,and something need's to be changed. Some of them could be changed later but with their teammate's having been done,it say's to me that the specialist's need changing,as some player's done are not as obvios as some missed. Just comparing some player's leave's you baffled by the change's sometime's.

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Like you guy's have said' date=' Campbell is easily a 91 player, if not 92 imo,and for him to drop is not right. I'm a Newcastle fan and to say Beye is the same quality as him is a joke,he's far better and should only have risen if his rating was to change. Other player's whose rating's are wrong imo are:

Papa Boupa Diop should easily have went to a 89 maybe even a 90

Sulley Ali Muntari is a 91 player easy

Dickson Etuhu if Anderson is 87 then he should be easy

Kenwyne Jones if Chopra is 85 he need's to be 87

Micah Richards is easily international quality so should be a 91,imo he's a 92

Michael Johnson could have made a 88 no problem

Stephen Ireland if the like's of Milner are 88 then he should be 89

Paul Scholes was injured i so don't think he's a worse player because of that

Luis Nani should have made 90 with some of his performance's

Wayne Rooney should have went down to a 94-95 without a doubt

Wes Brown should have went up 1 or 2

Patrice Evra should be a 94 or something imo

Edwin Van Der Sar should have went up 1

Luis Anderson once again,is a far better player than Milner

David Bentley is one of the best RM in the league and shouldd be a 91 imo

David Dunn should have went up 1 more imo

Nicky Shorey is one of the best LB in the EPL so should be higher than 88

Dave Kitson is better than 87 imo

Gary Mcsheffrey should have made 88 imo,because????? you guessed it,he's better than Milner lol

Mikael Forssell and Cameron Jerome are both underrated too imo

There is more than this too,these are just some of the main one's imo. There is a couple probably more obvious though, SWP and Juliano Belletti who are both way underrated and should both have made 91. Imo there is far too many underrated player's every time there is rating change's,and something need's to be changed. Some of them could be changed later but with their teammate's having been done,it say's to me that the specialist's need changing,as some player's done are not as obvios as some missed. Just comparing some player's leave's you baffled by the change's sometime's.[/quote']

some of these i agree with, and some of i dont. you say about scholes being injured doesnt make him a worse player, that is correct. BUT in the FAQ it does say that long term injury can be a cause of a rating decrease. because at the end of the day he hasnt been playing football.

also, im a coventry fan so i no all about mcsheffrey and hes never an 88. he mite be in a year or so, but hes not even been a regular in a sometimes very poor birmingham team and therefore couldnt be their highest rated player, however impressive he was in the championship last season.

totally agree about sol campbell, i was the 1 who bought campbell up in conversation to begin with as i was outraged at his decrease. also, the likes of nani havnt played enough yet to make 90, although they have undoubted quality.

and i dont believe micah richards has been on the scene long enough to be getting 91s and 92s. I have him in my team so i would have loved a further increase but i just dont think it would be right given hes still a teenager, and a very talented 1 at that.

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When you look though m8 they are crazy sometime's,and whilst i can understand player's dropping because of injury, i don't think they should. As we have seen with Cahill and the way he's come back straight after a long injury,it sometime's does'nt affect how well they perform if they are managed right. In regard's to Micah Richard's and Mcsheffrey,if you compare them with other player's and how effective they are,they should be higher rated than they are. Richards is still young but as we have seen with player's just breaking through,they get a bigger rise if they are playing for a bigger club and the fact that he's now almost certainly an England regular and City are doing well,he should be a 91 or 92 imo.He's as good as Dunne all day imo. Nearly every time he make's a mistake he make's up for it,which most other's can't, and he's qualitie's are as good as higher rated player's anyway.He had a shocker at Chelsea but the full team did and when you have all them older player's playing bad,it's alway's going to affect the younger one's regardless of their quality. Also with Mcsheffrey, if Milner is an 88 he has to be the same atleast m8,surely? He's also better than alot of 86 rated player's so should be an 87 atleast imo.

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When you look though m8 they are crazy sometime's' date='and whilst i can understand player's dropping because of injury, i don't think they should. As we have seen with Cahill and the way he's come back straight after a long injury,it sometime's does'nt affect how well they perform if they are managed right. In regard's to Micah Richard's and Mcsheffrey,if you compare them with other player's and how effective they are,they should be higher rated than they are. Richards is still young but as we have seen with player's just breaking through,they get a bigger rise if they are playing for a bigger club and the fact that he's now almost certainly an England regular and City are doing well,he should be a 91 or 92 imo.He's as good as Dunne all day imo. Nearly every time he make's a mistake he make's up for it,which most other's can't, and he's qualitie's are as good as higher rated player's anyway.He had a shocker at Chelsea but the full team did and when you have all them older player's playing bad,it's alway's going to affect the younger one's regardless of their quality. Also with Mcsheffrey, if Milner is an 88 he has to be the same atleast m8,surely? He's also better than alot of 86 rated player's so should be an 87 atleast imo.[/quote']

i do see what you are saying to an extent. but i also think ur being really harsh on milner, hes a good player. 2 good feet, good crosser, can beat a man and has fantastic energy levels and a terrific attitute. what more could you as from a winger? this is why hes rated higher than the likes of mcsheffrey. also, richards may be as good as dunne but dunne is now a seasoned proffessional and has been a solid premier league defender for quite some time, so still deserves to be higher than richards.

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As usual EPL ratings changes are always contentious :),the majority of the forum follow the EPL and SM usually make more changes in these ratings than any other leagues plus we still have a few more days of changes to go:eek:.

Just a few i have noticed so far that i felt maybe SM should have opted for a no change instead of a decrease.Sol Campbell dropping one maybe should have stayed the same,Shay Given dropping one also maybe should have stayed the same(He is still a first class keeper playing in a poor side at the mo) and Paul Robinson dropping 2 to 89 may also have been a bit harsh a drop of 1 may have been a fairer reflection of his lose of form.

Have only glanced at the changes so far so i may be back with more:)

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