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This has been out a little while now but, as nobody else has posted about it to my knowledge, I thought I would.

The Bola De Prata is basically the award given to the best performing players in Brazil. 3 candidates are picked for each position at the end of the season, based on the ratings of journalists, with vans then voting on these.

Here are the results of this year's award, I believe that the Gold Ball winners are the top 3 players overall, and then best 3 players for each position follow. Their positions are literal translations from Portuguese so don't quite work but should be fairly apparent.... failing that just look them up on SM. The last award is for the league's top scorer. Shoe of Gold represents the top scorer in all competitions. Here goes:

(Player (Club) - rating as per journalist voting - games played current rating my suggestion - additional comments)

GOLD BALL

1 Thiago Neves (Fluminese) - 6,29 average - 33 games 87 89 -awarded best player of the championship

2 Breno (São Paulo) - 6,22 average - 29 games 86 89 - having moved to Germany has been moved to 88 as got reviewed early.

3 Valdívia (Palmeiras) - 6,18 average - 22 games 89 no change - known as the wizard, the former Chilean international is in great form and considered by many as the best player in Brazil, tipped to move to Europe and linked to Juventus

GOLEIRO

1 Rogério Ceni (São Paulo) - 6,071 average - 35 games 92 no change

2 Felipe (Corinthians) - 6,068 average - 37 games 86 88

3 Diego (Palmeiras) - 5,92 average - 38 games 88 no change

RIGHT LATERAL

1 Leo Moura (Flamengo) - 5,74 average - 36 games 87 89

2 Coelho (Athletico Mineiro) - 5,6 average - 29 games 85 87 - Corinthians (was on loan from them) have agreed a deal with Celtic and the player is very keen to join, and is on trial.

3 Sidny (Nautical) - 5,57 average - 30 games 83 87 - has just sealed a move to Serie A with Livorno.

ZAGUEIRO

1 Breno (São Paulo) - 6,22 average - 29 games 86 89

2 Thiago Silva (Fluminese) - 6,03 average - 30 games 86 88

3 Miranda (São Paulo) - 5,99 average - 35 games 88 no change

LEFT LATERAL

1 Kléber (Santos) - 5,98 average - 24 games 90 no change

2 Juan (Flamengo) - 5,66 average - 34 games 86 88

3 Alex (International) - 5,61 average - 27 games 87 88

PROJECTION

1 Richarlyson (São Paulo) - 6,08 average - 30 games 88 89

2 Hernanes (São Paulo) - 5,94 average - 31 games 87 88

3 Arouca (Fluminese) - 5,9 average - 30 games 86 88

STOCKING

1 Thiago Neves (Fluminese) - 6,29 average - 33 games 87 89

2 Valdívia (Palmeiras) - 6,18 average - 22 games 89 no change

3 Ibson (Flamengo) - 6,1 average - 21 games 87 88

AGGRESSOR

1 Leandro Amaral (Vasco da Gama) - 6,12 average - 30 games 87 89

2 Acosta (Nautical) - 5,97 average - 31 games 88 no change

3 Aloísio (São Paulo) - 5,91 average - 22 games 89 no change

SHOE OF GOLD

1 Dodô (Botafogo) 88 89 - scored 34 goals in all competitions

SILVER BALL ARTILLERYMAN OF THE BRASILEIRÃO

1 Josiel (Paraná) - 20 gols 88 89 - 20 goals in 36 starts

Typically players who have been on this list end up in the very high 80's at least.... here is last year's award and their ratings prior to the Brazilian league review when it was unveiled at the time:

Rogério Ceni (São Paulo); (92)

Ilsinho (São Paulo), (86)

Fabão (São Paulo), (88)

Índio (Internacional) (88)

e Kléber (Santos); (89)

Lucas(Grêmio), (87)

Mineiro (São Paulo), (90)

Wagner (Cruzeiro), (89)

Zé Roberto (Botafogo); (92)

Fernandão (Internacional) (89)

e Aloísio (São Paulo). (87)

I tihnk even the lowest rated player, Ilsinho, since went to 88 (and is due to rise again) and Lucas is now at Liverpool and expected to feature much more in 2008. Aloisio is also now an 89. I think this proves the calibre of the award and also that low rated players on the list are worth buying! :D

I was hoping to add comments for each player but ran out of time (and desire) but can try and provide more info if anyone is interested.

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Re: Bola De Prata 2007/Brazilian Team of the Year

Ibson is a good player.. He is loaned out by FCPorto to Flamengo. He have a problem in Porto called Lucho Gonzalez, they play + or- at the same position and will be a bit hard he play there instead Lucho quits club.. i also don't think Porto's coach will change their tactic because him.. their are playing good without him.. the loan ends in june and i think Flamengo will try buy him.. but i hope Porto not sell!

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Re: Bola De Prata 2007/Brazilian Team of the Year

decided re-jump the thread with the nominees of this year.

Keeper:

Marcos (Palmeiras) 85

Rogério Ceni (São Paulo) 92

Victor (Grêmio) 85

Right back:

Élder Granja (Palmeiras) 85

Léo Moura (Flamengo) 89

Vítor (Goiás) 86

Right Center Back:

André Dias (São Paulo) 89

Fábio Luciano (Flamengo) 87

Thiago Silva (Fluminense) 89

Left Center Back:

Miranda (São Paulo) 89

Réver (Grêmio) 83

Ronaldo Angelim (Flamengo) 87

Left Back:

Juan (Flamengo) 88

Leandro (Palmeiras) 87

Kléber (Santos) 90

Right Center midfield:

Hernanes (São Paulo) 89

Pierre (Palmeiras) 87

Rafael Carioca (Grêmio) 80

Left Center Midfield:

Diguinho (Botafogo) 86

Guiñazu (Internacional) 86

Ramires (Cruzeiro) 88

Right Midfield:

Diego Souza (Palmeiras) 89

Ibson (Flamengo) 88

Tcheco (Grêmio) 88

Left Midfield:

Alex (Internacional) 89

Lucio Flavio (Botafogo) 88

Wagner (Cruzeiro) 89

Forward:

Guilherme (Cruzeiro) 87

Keirrisson (Coritiba) 83

Kléber Pereira (Santos) 89

Center Forward:

Alex Mineiro (Palmeiras) 88

Kléber (Palmeiras) 87

Nilmar (Internacional) 87

Revelation:

Jean (São Paulo) 83

Keirrison (Coritiba) 83

Marquinhos (Vitória) 80

Fans Best Player:

Juan (Flamengo) 88

Hernanes (São Paulo) 89

Thiago Silva (Fluminense) 89

Best player:

Alex (Internacional) 89

Hernanes (São Paulo) 89

Kléber Pereira (Santos) 90

looking to this, we will have nice risers:)

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Re: Bola De Prata 2007/Brazilian Team of the Year

Nice research Gizb. :) This is what I reckon they'll get:

Keeper:

Marcos (Palmeiras) 85 - 87

Rogério Ceni (São Paulo) 92 - 92

Victor (Grêmio) 85 - 88

Right back:

Élder Granja (Palmeiras) 85 - 87

Léo Moura (Flamengo) 89 - 89

Vítor (Goiás) 86 - 87

Right Center Back:

André Dias (São Paulo) 89 - 89

Fábio Luciano (Flamengo) 87 - 88

Thiago Silva (Fluminense) 89 - 89

Left Center Back:

Miranda (São Paulo) 89 - 89

Réver (Grêmio) 83 - 87

Ronaldo Angelim (Flamengo) 87 = 88

Left Back:

Juan (Flamengo) 88 - 88

Leandro (Palmeiras) 87 - 87

Kléber (Santos) 90 - 90

Right Center midfield:

Hernanes (São Paulo) 89 - 89/90

Pierre (Palmeiras) 87 - 87

Rafael Carioca (Grêmio) 80 - 87

Left Center Midfield:

Diguinho (Botafogo) 86 - 87

Guiñazu (Internacional) 86 - 87

Ramires (Cruzeiro) 88 - 88

Right Midfield:

Diego Souza (Palmeiras) 89 - 89

Ibson (Flamengo) 88 - 88/89

Tcheco (Grêmio) 88 - 88

Left Midfield:

Alex (Internacional) 89 - 89

Lucio Flavio (Botafogo) 88 - 88

Wagner (Cruzeiro) 89 - 89

Forward:

Guilherme (Cruzeiro) 87 - 89

Keirrisson (Coritiba) 83 - 87

Kléber Pereira (Santos) 89 - 89

Center Forward:

Alex Mineiro (Palmeiras) 88 - 88

Kléber (Palmeiras) 87 - 87/88

Nilmar (Internacional) 87 - 87

Revelation:

Jean (São Paulo) 83 - 86/87

Keirrison (Coritiba) 83 - 87

Marquinhos (Vitória) 80 - 85

Fans Best Player:

Juan (Flamengo) 88 - 88

Hernanes (São Paulo) 89 - 89/90

Thiago Silva (Fluminense) 89 - 89

Best player:

Alex (Internacional) 89 - 89

Hernanes (São Paulo) 89 - 89/90

Kléber Pereira (Santos) 89 - 89

That's just my opinion.

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Re: Bola De Prata 2007/Brazilian Team of the Year

I think 87 for Rafael Carioca might be a bit too optimistic' date=' especially seeing as he increased by six to 80 only a few months ago. I think 86 would be justified for the moment.[/quote']

Maybe, but he is a regular for 2nd in the league, and most top teams have players rated between 87-90. He has been one of Gremio's best players this season, if not their best, and IMO deserves 87. Not to sure, but 86/87 borderline sounds fair, could go either way.

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Maybe' date=' but he is a regular for 2nd in the league, and most top teams have players rated between 87-90. He has been one of Gremio's best players this season, if not their best, and IMO deserves 87. Not to sure, but 86/87 borderline sounds fair, could go either way.[/quote']

He's been a first team regular for a single season only, so it's unfair to compare his rating with those who've retained or achieved theirs over the years. I think if he gets an 86 this time around, he'll get an 88 in the next rating changes which will be a fair rating if he retains or wins his/a first team place, whether it be for a Brazilian, Italian or Russian team.

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He's been a first team regular for a single season only' date=' so it's unfair to compare his rating with those who've retained or achieved theirs over the years. I think if he gets an 86 this time around, he'll get an 88 in the next rating changes which will be a fair rating [i']if[/i] he retains or wins his/a first team place, whether it be for a Brazilian, Italian or Russian team.

Would that not also apply to Dzagoev? Or did international appearances make the difference between 87 and 88?

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Would that not also apply to Dzagoev? Or did international appearances make the difference between 87 and 88?

I was awaiting a Dzagoev comparison. OK, where do I start.

Dzagoev has been one of CSKA Moskva's limited reasons for why they are still doing well in the Premier Liga. He was intended initially as a part time replacement for Jo until CSKA Moskva were able to find a suitable player to fill in his gap. Instead of sticking to the script, he has went on to equal, if not better Jo's impact for the club and is now one of their most vital players. The understanding between him and Vanger Love is nothing far from natural. He's grabbed eight goals in, in my opinion, one of the world's best leagues. He's also playing in a huge European club competition, the Uefa Cup, and is excelling in every performance as well as scoring regularly in it, three goals in four starts and one substitute appearance.

He is also apparently the single reason why Real Madrid have dropped their interest in Cristiano Ronaldo.

You also cannot forget his two recent caps for one of the best footballing nations in the world.

Compare that to Rafael Carioca's situation and you maybe you and other people will understand why Dzagoev is currently worthy of an 87 and why Rafael Carioca isn't, yet.

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I brought up Dzagoev to bring up an intelligent response. I was been controversial. I do understand how Dzagoev got his high rating from 74. I don't know if there is a Russian version of Kicker, but I would guess he would be in the top 2 or 3. Carioca could go to 87, or 86. It matters not. He is worth signing, either way. He will hit 90 as well as Dzagoev.

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I brought up Dzagoev to bring up an intelligent response. I was been controversial.

You was being intelligent and controversial?

I do understand how Dzagoev got his high rating from 74.

75.

I don't know if there is a Russian version of Kicker' date=' but I would guess he would be in the top 2 or 3. Carioca could go to 87, or 86. It matters not. He is worth signing, either way. He will hit 90 as well as Dzagoev.[/quote']

I do not understand your point. Presumably you brought up Dzagoev because you think that because he got an 87, then Rafael Carioca should get the same rating, and I told you why he shouldn't. It's either that or you just threw his name randomly into the thread.

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Dzagoev has less top flight experience than Dzagoev. His main impact has been goals.

Carioca has had a full season to follow a season where he should have risen to more then 80 anyway. He has had just as bigger impact, holding one of the top clubs in Brazil's midfield together.

Definitely worthy of an 87. I'd like you to watch highlights of 5 or 6 randomly selected Gremio matches, and then come back and challenge my opinion, because I don't think you would.

Alex of Internacional definitely deserves a 90, and Nilmar of the same team deserves a 88.

Alex Mineiro deserves a 89 in my opinion also. Other than that I agree with them all Luke.

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You was being intelligent and controversial?

75.

I do not understand your point. Presumably you brought up Dzagoev because you think that because he got an 87' date=' then Rafael Carioca should get the same rating, and I told you why he shouldn't. It's either that or you just threw his name randomly into the thread.[/quote']

Sorry, 75. Not 74. Don't get cheeky please. I brought up Dzagoev, not randomly, but to see your argument, as I am on the fence. And to bring up Dzagoev, I was being controversial. Again sorry I did not check up my facts about Dzagoev's prior rating, but it does you no good to be petulant towards me.

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Dzagoev has less top flight experience than Dzagoev. His main impact has been goals.

I'm not sure whether you mean Dzagoev has less top flight experience than Rafael Carioca or if you mean Rafael Carioca has less top flight experience than Dzagoev' date=' so I won't comment on this statement.

Carioca has had a full season to follow a season where he should have risen to more then 80 anyway.

Rafael Carioca was due a rise of more than 80 in this same season. Whether you meant that or not I'm not sure, but if you didn't, then please make your posts clearer.

He has had just as bigger impact' date=' holding one of the top clubs in Brazil's midfield together.[/quote']

He hasn't scored vital goals for his club in the league and in the second best club competition in the world, he hasn't just won two caps for his country, and he hasn't attracted interest from the best clubs in the world. So overall, no, he hasn't equaled Dzagoev's impact.

Definitely worthy of an 87. I'd like you to watch highlights of 5 or 6 randomly selected Gremio matches' date=' and then come back and challenge my opinion.[/quote']

I've recorded and watched the full 90 minutes of every single Gremio game in the second part of the Brazilian Serie A this season bar two or three, so you're not in a position where you can challenge me in that category. I'm not making out that Rafael Carioca is a poor player. Not at all. Why would I tarnish a player that I made a thread on originally. I think he's an excellent talent and a prodigy that nobody can or should miss out on, but he's not worthy for an 87 yet.

Sorry' date=' 75. Not 74. Don't get cheeky please.[/quote']

Nobody is being cheeky, but if you're going to challenge someone's opinion at least make sure your facts are correct.

I brought up Dzagoev' date=' not randomly, but to see your argument, as I am on the fence.[/quote']

So that is randomly bringing him up because I was discussing Rafael Carioca's situation, not Dzagoev's. If you wanted to know my view on Dzagoev you could have quoted me on his thread, where I also posted on, instead of here.

And to bring up Dzagoev' date=' I was being controversial. Again sorry I did not check up my facts about Dzagoev's prior rating, but it does you no good to be petulant towards me.[/quote']

I wasn't being petulant towards you; I'm not petulant towards anybody.

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He hasn't scored vital goals for his club in the league and in the second best club competition in the world, he hasn't just won two caps for his country, and he hasn't attracted interest from the best clubs in the world. So overall, no, he hasn't equaled Dzagoev's impact.

Well...first Carioca is Brazilian :rolleyes: ...that says it all on why he hasnt had any caps for his country...Also mate...you say that he hasnt attracted interest from big clubs...But how wrong you are :rolleyes: ...BEFORE YOU ASK WHAT IS MY SOURCE...I CANNOT BE BOTHER TO FIND AGAIN...but the teams interested include Inter Milan, AC, Barca, Arsenal, Lokomotiv Moscow, Hereveen...just to name a few :P

I've recorded and watched the full 90 minutes of every single Gremio game in the second part of the Brazilian Serie A this season bar two or three, so you're not in a position where you can challenge me in that category. I'm not making out that Rafael Carioca is a poor player. Not at all. Why would I tarnish a player that I made a thread on originally. I think he's an excellent talent and a prodigy that nobody can or should miss out on, but he's not worthy for an 87 yet.

And i have also seen many of Gremios games...and TBH Carioca was probably one of the most vital players of there season...and considering Gremios other rated players...87 seems more than right. I would say 20%86 80%87...and TBH mate i cant wait for when he reaches 87 and what an idiot you are gonna make yaself look...so if i were you i would stop while your behind ;)

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Well...first Carioca is Brazilian :rolleyes: ...that says it all on why he hasnt had any caps for his country

So what? Dunga has been giving chances to the younger Brazilians. Russia is also an amazing National Team and probably equally as hard to break into.

...Also mate...you say that he hasnt attracted interest from big clubs...But how wrong you are :rolleyes: ...BEFORE YOU ASK WHAT IS MY SOURCE...I CANNOT BE BOTHER TO FIND AGAIN...but the teams interested include Inter Milan' date=' AC, Barca, Arsenal, Lokomotiv Moscow, Hereveen...just to name a few :P[/b']

Hmm. You're either mistaking him for Douglas Costa or getting this information from sites with fake rumors, but I won't go as far as to say you're lying. Either way none of that is true. The only clubs that have shown an interest for him so far have been CSKA Moskva, Fiorentina, Genoa, Spartak Moscow, Lokomotiv Moscow and co. Hardly comparable to the likes of Real Madrid and Chelsea I guess.

And i have also seen many of Gremios games

Oh please.

...and TBH Carioca was probably one of the most vital players of there season...and considering Gremios other rated players...87 seems more than right.

He was an important player' date=' yes, but he's done nothing to merit him an 87 yet. He's been a regular for one season only, and considering he was rated 74 at the beginning of it, I don't see why he should be rated 87 now.

I would say 20%86 80%87...and TBH mate i cant wait for when he reaches 87 and what an idiot you are gonna make yaself look...so if i were you i would stop while your behind ;)

Sorry, It's not a matter of what he will reach, it's a matter of what he should reach, and that's not to say he won't only increase to 86 anyway. It's not like I'm going to be disappointed if he rises to 87; if he rises to 87 my points would still be right, but I would get a bigger profit.

Overall I think you're the one who's looking like an idiot seeing as at the end of the day if there wasn't another two or three people agreeing with you/you agreeing with them, you probably wouldn't be audacious enough to enter this debate knowing that your points aren't strong enough.

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He hasn't scored vital goals for his club in the league and in the second best club competition in the world' date=' he hasn't just won two caps for his country, and he hasn't attracted interest from the best clubs in the world. So overall, no, he hasn't equaled Dzagoev's impact.[/quote']

Don't wanna cause an argument here but, you're comparing two completely different players on the impact they make for their teams. Carioca doesn't make his impact with vital goals, he makes his impact by stopping attacks, and passing the ball about fantastically, as well as getting from defence to attack, whereas Dzagoev is concentrated on attacking. Don't forget that the Brazilian midfield is a lot harder to break into than the Russian attacking line up. Carioca has infact attracted interest from many large European clubs, and just today has been linked with Spartak Moscow. I think Carioca deserves 87, especially considering he's getting that from 80, if he was at 75 now as Dzagoev was, I'd say 85/86 tops, but from 80, 87 is a definite possibility!

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OK, I will not read Dzagoev / Carioca comparisons.

Lets, instead, compare Carioca with two others, names Breno and Borges.

Breno, last season, was increased to 80 after the first rating changes. After great form for Sao Paulo, he increased to, I believe, 86. This was after 22 apps for Sao Paolo.

Borges last season also played for Sao Paulo, and was rated 80 after the first changes. This was after a year in the second Japanese league, so we can't say he was an experienced player. He was rerated to 87 after I believe 23 matches.

Carioca has 33 and is a nominee for team of the year. Add that to the fact that he has less support on a Gremio side full of inexperience.

Honestly? I think Rever and Carioca should get 88 each.

EDIT : To the poster who mentionned the lack of goals. Have you seen Rafa play? That just isnt his game. I guess Essien should probably be rated 86 too then?

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Its pointless replying to any of that lol...purely because u r one of those ppl who will not budge EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW THEY ARE WRONG

and you will stop at nothing to prove a point that cannot be proven.

This reminds me of the song, "The Irony of it all", by The Streets, aka Mike Skinner.

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Don't wanna cause an argument here but' date=' you're comparing two completely different players on the impact they make for their teams. Carioca doesn't make his impact with vital goals, he makes his impact by stopping attacks, and passing the ball about fantastically, as well as getting from defence to attack, whereas Dzagoev is concentrated on attacking.[/quote']

I wasn't comparing eachothers game play or how/what their game is based on. I was pointing out that if it comes down to who's made the most impact for their club it would be Dzagoev because of the vitality and importance of the things he's done. You can find a lot of people who can stop attacks and break up play, but to find a player who is still at the beginning of his professional career, is scoring for fun, who has an understanding of the game of a player much older than him, is much harder to find.

Don't forget that the Brazilian midfield is a lot harder to break into than the Russian attacking line up.

This could be true' date=' but the point I'm trying to counter with is that I highly doubt Rafael Carioca would break into the Russian National Team [i']if[/i] he was Russian.

Carioca has infact attracted interest from many large European clubs' date=' and just today has been linked with Spartak Moscow.[/quote']

That's nice and all, but if Rafael Carioca is being linked with a team whom is under the shadow of the team Dzagoev is currently at, then what should this prove to you?

I think Carioca deserves 87' date=' especially considering he's getting that from 80, if he was at 75 now as Dzagoev was, I'd say 85/86 tops, but from 80, 87 is a definite possibility![/quote']

Why would you say that? If a player deserves a rating, then he should get it no matter what he's rated, except maybe a few exceptions.

Its pointless replying to any of that lol...purely because u r one of those ppl who will not budge EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW THEY ARE WRONG

and you will stop at nothing to prove a point that cannot be proven.

Stop being foolish. I'm positive I know a lot more about Rafael Carioca than you. Now, how can I be wrong if you judge your opinions only, and I repeat only on statistics whereas I judge them on real life performances? The reason "I don't budge" is because I don't enter debates with stupid points or ideas, like the such you've written above, so there's no need to "budge". I'm not 'going to budge' if I'm right about something now am I?

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