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EXPOSED: Ivan Juric / ouyno sekoj

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Please see attached images of conversation between myself (White) and Ivan Juric (Green). Ivan also previously went by the name 'ouyno sekoj'. Hopefully this clears up a huge debate going on in GC1, and shows Ivan (or whatever his name is) in his true light.

As you can see from the screenshots at least 3 people all use that account, and therefore there are likely multiple accounts these people are connected to and cheating on. In addition to this they are hurling an insane amount of abuse at many managers on a regular basis, this is without provocation. Enjoy the reading of the messages, because this guy is quite something...

 

Take care all :)

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Nothing to expose here actually. Simply reacting/trolling JOE HTO calling me a 'strange boy' like a pedo, and instigating an argument on the newsfeed (constantly accusing me with no proof) but cudnt have the guts to respond directly, hence the trolling.

If you dare to instigate it on the public newsfeed (not captured in his PMs, he only posts what he wants ppl to see), dare to RECEIVE IT BACK.

I have a lot of discussions with managers weekly on deals, and only a handful, the MINORITY i have issues with, perhaps it says more about yourself.

As for your accusations of cheating, list 1 deal that i cheated on. Dont just say 'oh he cheated' but cant bring up 1 deal. On the other hand, i can bring up a deal on where you cheated. A deal with MK Dons manager George Angel (who has now disgracefully left the gw), you did a deal with him for Dominik Szoboszlai 18 82 for a 33yr Ryan Babel & Hany Mukhtar. Any decent manager will know thats a horrendous deal. Anyways, George Angel has now disgracefully left the gw after being exposed as Andy Jeffo 2.0. Yet he was the one that sold you Dominik Szoboszlai in a heavily lopsided deal. There is your proof. 

As for Chris Forrest aka Joe HTO2.0 message to me(who has once again quit the gw), here it is. No wonder there is a need to troll him, where he only threatens to physically hurt someone BUT only behind a screen. Trolls, bring it baby

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The same Chris Forrest

Edit: Came into the game world as Chris Forrest 10/4, with the sole purpose of echoing every word of JOE HTO to back him up in an argument. Threatened to physically hit me unless I gave him a certain player, changed his name to Craig Forsyth after I posted evidence of him threatening to hit me(i am cool with that tho,all online talk), and left the gameworld after the argument has more or less subsided. Nothing new there, onwards we go. JOE HTO2.0?!!?

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Hi Joe, you continually claim i am a cheater. I just sent you this. The ball is in your court, you want to say i am cheating, ok, name the deal, i will show you evidence i am not. (Image of the message i sent you). I have loads of time during this  'lockdown' anyways. 

Dont just say 'oh he cheated' but cant bring up 1 deal.

On the other hand, i can bring up a deal on where you cheated. A deal with MK Dons manager George Angel (who has now disgracefully left the gw after being exposed as Andy Jeffo 2.0), you did a deal with him for Dominik Szoboszlai 18 82 on the 15/6/19 for a 33yr Ryan Babel & Hany Mukhtar. George Angel was the manager in his first spell from 31/5 to 20/9. 

Any decent manager will know thats a horrendous deal. Its a heavily lopsided deal in your favour.  After doing that deal, George Angel quit the gw for the first time b4 returning months later. and now,  George Angel has now disgracefully left the gw after being exposed as Andy Jeffo 2.0. Yet he was the one that sold you Dominik Szoboszlai in a heavily lopsided deal. It says a lot no ? There is your proof, not just 'oh he cheated'. 

Are you actually Andy Jeffo in disguise? Do i need to remind you George Angel echoed everything you said in a public argument we had on the newsfeed as if you 2 were twins? Need i say more? 

 

 

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Rmb Joe, when you accuse someone of cheating, when he is not, that is also 'abuse'. But its cool tho.

I reiterate, i never ever cheated in GW1, never came close, never will. I dont need to cheat to win.The evidence above showed nothing but me reacting to your provocations(which of course you conveniently left out)

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The accusation of me cheating came from Neil Frankland who thought i was trying to do cross world deals with him. However, he just did not understand the meaning of independent.

More evidence of proofs that i made it a point not to do cross world deals after 1 man misunderstood and also more evidence of real managers without an agenda knowing i did not cheat.

Its funny i have to defend myself bcos some ppl dont understand simple english.

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Asked Joe to name me the deal that i was cheating on, and his only proof was apparently me admitting i cheated LOL. then when i asked him to name the deal, he changed the subject. If i was such a prolific cheater as he claimed i was, surely it wont be hard to name 1 DEAL. Just 1 will do. 

On the other hand, i can bring up a deal on where you cheated. A deal with MK Dons manager George Angel (who has now disgracefully left the gw after being exposed as Andy Jeffo 2.0), you did a deal with him for Dominik Szoboszlai 18 82 on the 15/6/19 for a 33yr Ryan Babel & Hany Mukhtar. George Angel was the manager in his first spell from 31/5 to 20/9 (elaboration above)

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Imagine JOE HTO accusing you of cheating because he thot having a few frens share 1 singular account is illegal.

Sharing 1 singular account with a fren or two is not illegal, bcos at all times we control one team in one GW. how can one cheat, if he only has 1 team in the GW. its IMPOSSIBLE. yet he continues to hurl accusations both in public and private.

I wont stand for it, CHAT  GET BANGED. if he can so carelessly accuse ppl, be willing to take the heat back. dont accuse ppl wrongly then play victim after. Accuse me and i will troll you to the ends of the world. Is it perhaps overboard, yes perhaps, but hey i am not gonna back down from false accusations. Plus, we have loads of time now.

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I am an existing gold member in GC1 and i want to react anonymously to this drama. From what it seems, Ivan did overreact by a fair bit, but JOE played a part in it. So many accusations with no proof whatsoever, and a flawed logic to begin with. I would be fuming if i were Ivan.

But for goodness sake,Ivan, you need to learn how not to react properly, and not overreact even if stuff do not make sense, you have to be way more mature. I already warned him in his PMs not to overreact. I did a deal with him before, and he came across as very respectful, honest, but aggressive. Looking at his deals, i do NOT think he cheated, it is almost hard for him to cheat when he overpays for many players. He gives up a lot for players he wants. He once offered me a massive 7 players for a player of mine because he really wanted him !! 7 !!

In addition, we had previous discussions with deals across 2 game-worlds, and at the beginning of the discussion, he insisted that the deals be discussed separately, NO correlation with one another. Thats why i find it quite hard to believe that he would do cross world deals, and i think the above images he posted actually  is a fair indication of that. 

Irregardless, Ivan, you have to take into account the rest of the GW, no one likes to see two managers back and forth in the newsfeed, thats not what it is for. You have to control yourself better, as we can clearly see from your messages too. Unlike what you said, you do not deserve the right to scold someone if he/she instigates you. That is a flawed logic too.

As for JOE, sharing an account with his friends is not cheating, as long as they only have 1 club in the game-world. You kept calling him a cheater and did not understand why he reacted so aggressively towards you. You kept calling him out for name calling yet you labelled him a cheater when you clearly misunderstood the situation and have zero proof. I repeat, sharing an account with his friends is not cheating, as long as they only have 1 club in the game-world. I took a look at all the xfers he had, they all seemed fair to me, & like i said, he seems to have a tendency to overpay for players he wanted, all the more proof he is unlikely to be cheating. Cheaters tend to do deals in their favour not the other way around. It is no wonder he overreacted to your accusations. Yes, they were accusations, by you. Stop for the sake of the game-world. 

In conclusion, both Ivan & Joe are at fault here. Its a chicken & egg scenario, both not willing to back down. For goodness sake, make GW1 a peaceful one.

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5 hours ago, johncenaflj said:

I am an existing gold member in GC1 and i want to react anonymously to this drama. From what it seems, Ivan did overreact by a fair bit, but JOE played a part in it. So many accusations with no proof whatsoever, and a flawed logic to begin with. I would be fuming if i were Ivan.

But for goodness sake,Ivan, you need to learn how not to react properly, and not overreact even if stuff do not make sense, you have to be way more mature. I already warned him in his PMs not to overreact. I did a deal with him before, and he came across as very respectful, honest, but aggressive. Looking at his deals, i do NOT think he cheated, it is almost hard for him to cheat when he overpays for many players. He gives up a lot for players he wants. He once offered me a massive 7 players for a player of mine because he really wanted him !! 7 !!

In addition, we had previous discussions with deals across 2 game-worlds, and at the beginning of the discussion, he insisted that the deals be discussed separately, NO correlation with one another. Thats why i find it quite hard to believe that he would do cross world deals, and i think the above images he posted actually  is a fair indication of that. 

Irregardless, Ivan, you have to take into account the rest of the GW, no one likes to see two managers back and forth in the newsfeed, thats not what it is for. You have to control yourself better, as we can clearly see from your messages too. Unlike what you said, you do not deserve the right to scold someone if he/she instigates you. That is a flawed logic too.

As for JOE, sharing an account with his friends is not cheating, as long as they only have 1 club in the game-world. You kept calling him a cheater and did not understand why he reacted so aggressively towards you. You kept calling him out for name calling yet you labelled him a cheater when you clearly misunderstood the situation and have zero proof. I repeat, sharing an account with his friends is not cheating, as long as they only have 1 club in the game-world. I took a look at all the xfers he had, they all seemed fair to me, & like i said, he seems to have a tendency to overpay for players he wanted, all the more proof he is unlikely to be cheating. Cheaters tend to do deals in their favour not the other way around. It is no wonder he overreacted to your accusations. Yes, they were accusations, by you. Stop for the sake of the game-world. 

In conclusion, both Ivan & Joe are at fault here. Its a chicken & egg scenario, both not willing to back down. For goodness sake, make GW1 a peaceful one.

I'm sure you do want to react 'anonymously' when this is quite clearly Ivan trying to limit the damage he has already caused himself and his reputation, it's even more obvious when you've typed this all out exactly how you speak on your main account. Everyone can see straight through you Ivan, the game is up.

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LOL @ you Joe. There you go again, another accusation with no proof. All a bunch of conjecture and opinions that you want to turn into facts.

Just 2 of a possible few that have communicated with me that cud have been John Cena. It might have been them, it might not. There are a few more managers that share the same sentiment Joe. But its cool, only you can dish 'abuse', but you cant receive it. 

At what point will your accusations ever be backed up by evidence ?

You truly, deserve every word i said to you HAHA. 

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@JoeHTO 1) you just told me that you could accuse me with no proof because you have freedom of speech. Yet i am not afford the same freedom of speech by you. 2) Next, i told you that if you wanna accuse me or keep chatting behind a screeen, meet me face to face to tell it to me. You declined, naturally, because you only do it behind a screen. At least, (doesnt make it right) i am willing to repeat everything i said right to your face. Let me know tho, if you ever want to meet, i will pay for your flight. 3

3)After hours of repeatedly accusing me, JOE tells me its just a game. Eh? just a game now eh? how about the times when you were accusing me continually with no proof. (Evidence below)

Enuf of this internet warrior bs (me included), either meet up or shut up. If you arent willing to back up all the accusations irl in my face, then shut the hell up from behind that screen of yours. I aint tough, nowhere close, i aint hard, nowhere close , but i am willing to say everything to your face big boy.

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@Joe I told you to come accuse me right to my face. You said ok, book a flight (evidence below)

I PM-ed you asking for an email, you pussy-ed out. (Proof below). If you arent willing to back your words online up, stop chatting online. 

Remember, i have asked time and time again for just 1 deal i have apparently cheated on. You still cant name 1. 

ON THE OTHER HAND, i can bring up a deal on where you cheated. A deal with MK Dons manager George Angel (who has now disgracefully left the gw after being exposed as Andy Jeffo 2.0), you did a deal with him for Dominik Szoboszlai 18 82 on the 15/6/19 for a 33yr Ryan Babel & Hany Mukhtar. George Angel was the manager in his first spell from 31/5 to 20/9. (details elaborated above)816127431_Screenshot2020-04-11at9_33_00PM.thumb.png.63cc2cd0c978da863aab10b9809e40ba.png

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Edit because George Angel has now been exposed as Andy Jeffo, and George Angel has been doing the shadiest deal of all with Joe HTO

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3 minutes ago, mkzx123 said:

@Joe I told you to come accuse me right to my face. You said ok, book a flight (evidence below)

I PM-ed you asking for an email, you pussy-ed out. (Proof below). If you arent willing to back your words online up, stop chatting online. 

As i said b4,' dont bother me with your tough boy accusation act online anymore unless you are willing to say it to my face. Now fk off' 

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I don't think you understand sarcasm. I don't want to meet random strangers from the internet and I think you offering to meet people for fights will likely result in you being banned eventually.

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Never said it was a fight. Dont have to be so scared now when all i told you was to tell it to my face since you have so much guts behind a screen.

Just telling you to accuse me or cheating right to my face IRL, and not from just behind a screen.I am willing to meet you and even offered to ask for your email to contact you directly. I can even prove to you i wasnt cheating. And if i get banned for offering to meet you, so be it. i cudnt care less.

But i guess, as always, its only all talk behind the screen from you(Proof below)

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The greatest compliment for a manager doing legit deals is for people to think they are cheating. Thank you. Took over on the 27th December 2019 & since I have time now during this lockdown, these are my trade deals since then for those who think I cheated(Not in any order). Feel free to dissect them. Many of the managers I dealt with are with reputable managers here anyways. 

1)Traded Borja87+Mignolet88 for Rajkovic86

2)Traded Kranveitter85+Amine Adli+Jan Bernat+Gabriel Neves(22 80)+Paolo Fernandes(next season) for Lazaro 88. 5 players for 1

3)TradedGeis87+Valero88 for Pablo88

4)Traded Boufal88+Mujica 21 78 for Pukki87+Shaparenko83+Taylor82

5)Bought Quintilla 85 for max cash from outgoing manager LeeRyder of Granada(many other managers picked up players from him for max cash too, check it out)

6)Traded Mukhtar25 85 for Jon Monconyala 21 80(once again, overpaid relative to other managers who picked up the other young stars for CASH only,check it out)

7)Traded Cahill 88 for Cazares 87

8)Traded Krimanic 17 70(Zagreb potential wunderkid)+Jack Harrison 82+Gerchicov(18 77,next season) for Otavio87

9)Traded Chadli88+Ontiveros82 for Fares87

10)Moffi 20 60 for min cash from new granada manager(Similar to many other managers’ deals from granada)

11)Traded Rafa Soares24 84 for Allioksi 28 84

12)Traded Molchanov19 77+ Ernest Agyiri 21 75 for Velasquez 85(ACL injury IRL)

13)Traded away Neco Williams,Luca Cveticicann (potential wunderkids) for Zivkovic 87 & Widmer 87

13.2) Secondary deal agreed with Leyton to send DiShon Bernard+Capanni for Joe Gelhardt next season

14)3 months later, traded away Widmer87 + Montes 21 78 for Fein19 82+Tavernier 20 80+Nyamsi 23 80

15)Also traded away Zivkovic87 for Ounas86+Lucas Halter19 75

16)Traded away Jonas Knudsen83+Artem Shvets83 for Dany Levya 16 60+ cash

17)Traded away Bony86+Bakayoko22 82 for Dean Campbell, Hany Mukhtar 25 85

18)Traded Tekie 22 80+Alan Medina 22 80 for Oumar Alderete 22 83

 

These should be all the deals. Overpaid in the PRESENT for a fair few deals, but hopefully in the future, they will rise and prove me right. Fares deal is the one i regretted most had i known i would be getting Greg Taylor down the line. Got a few steals from some unsuspecting well known managers too(Not going to mention who if not there will be another pride war)

Only time will tell if I made the right deals. Maybe I did not, only time will tell. But one thing for sure, & we can let the SM Police dissect the deals if they wish, but I have done one hell of a job turning Dortmund from a team filled with ageing players to one that is filled with potential. Take a look at the team i put on 29/12/19 and compare it to the team i put out today. Its a whole new team with a whole new strategy

Just because you can't do deals at a quick rate does not mean I am cheating. Just because I offer innovative ideas, like future options on players, future swaps on players, 5 for 1 deals, 6 for 1 deals(some conveyed the next season), 7 for 1 deals(some conveyed the next season) doesn't mean I am cheating. 

Just because i offer some managers 3 85s+ a 20 81 for a 85 player(bcos i really like that 85player) does not mean i am cheating. It just means I know what I want and am willing to get it at all cost. 

Just because I am more innovative & efficient than you, does not mean I am cheating. In fact, I feel like I have paid over the odds for many of the deals in the PRESENT. I am banking on the future of my time, not the present. In fact, I feel like I have paid over the odds for many of the deals in the PRESENT. I am banking on the future of my time, not the present. 

& for the record, not a single cross-world deal had been done, nor had been attempted to be done. Only 1 manager who i have approached to do 2 SEPERATE/INDEPENDENT & fair deals misunderstood, while many others did not. They all understood a simple word called independent. They were educated. Anyways, in the end, even with all the managers, NOT ONE cross world deal was executed between me and them anyways. So in other words, dont know what the fk is the fuss about.

For those who think i am cheating without any proof, i have listed out all the main deals here. Feel free to point out which deal was it i am cheating on, if there wasnt alrdy an explanation given, or if that particular manager is also doing the same with every other manager in the GW. I am all ears.

If ever i was removed from this GW by SM, its because of arguing too much or being too aggressive, i am ok with that, i can live with that. But it will never be because of cheating. I dont need to cheat to do good deals. I do my research & i hustle.

The greatest compliment for a manager doing legit deals is for people to think they are cheating. Thank you.

As for you JOE HTO, for constantly accusing me of cheating/chatting (but only from behind a screen )from day 1 with no proof, you deserve every single word/troll/made up scenarios i have said to you. Be willing to give and take, big boy.

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On 4/10/2020 at 2:15 PM, mkzx123 said:

Hi Joe, you continually claim i am a cheater. I just sent you this. The ball is in your court, you want to say i am cheating, ok, name the deal, i will show you evidence i am not. (Image of the message i sent you). I have loads of time during this  'lockdown' anyways. 

Dont just say 'oh he cheated' but cant bring up 1 deal.

On the other hand, i can bring up a deal on where you cheated. A deal with MK Dons manager George Angel (who has now disgracefully left the gw after being exposed as Andy Jeffo 2.0), you did a deal with him for Dominik Szoboszlai 18 82 on the 15/6/19 for a 33yr Ryan Babel & Hany Mukhtar. George Angel was the manager in his first spell from 31/5 to 20/9. 

Any decent manager will know thats a horrendous deal. Its a heavily lopsided deal in your favour.  After doing that deal, George Angel quit the gw for the first time b4 returning months later. and now,  George Angel has now disgracefully left the gw after being exposed as Andy Jeffo 2.0. Yet he was the one that sold you Dominik Szoboszlai in a heavily lopsided deal. It says a lot no ? There is your proof, not just 'oh he cheated'. 

Are you actually Andy Jeffo in disguise? Do i need to remind you George Angel echoed everything you said in a public argument we had on the newsfeed as if you 2 were twins? Need i say more? 

 

 

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How can you say I did a deal with George Angel in June 2019 when I joined the GW in January 2020... which you even show in your own screenshots? Only just noticed you put that. Funny looking back at this thread at how much you've been scrambling cause you were caught out and everyone can now see your psychotic, aggressive behaviour where you have threatened myself and a number of other managers. I have no idea how you haven't been banned to be honest, but I guess it just shows how little this game is monitored (and how poorly it is monitored).

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if you see my latest post in GW1 thread, you will realise that the suspicion came from the 2 of you backing each other incessantly in an argument.

After reviewing the evidence i initially presented b/w MK Dons and Schalke, i realised my error, and  i took it down on the other thread but not here because i cudnt care less anymore lol.

But the point still stands, it seems you & George Angel are 2 peas in the pot, perhaps the same person. I wud elaborate more, but i cant care less about you now that circuit breaker is ending. 

And lastly, you have the guts to accuse someone without proof, have the guts to take some back. 

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1 hour ago, mkzx123 said:

if you see my latest post. you will realise that the suspicion came from the 2 of you being twins. After reviewing the evidence i initially presented, i took it down on the other thread but not here because i cudnt care less anymore lol . But the point still stands, it seems you & George Angel are 2 peas in the pot, perhaps the same person. 

And lastly, just stfu LOL. you have the guts to accuse someone without proof, have the guts to take some back. 

Loads of people in GC1 know what you're like. I won't take false accusations about me when your 'evidence' is complete nonsense and from before I even started managing this team. I hope one day you learn how to treat others with respect, but I suspect you never will based on your behaviour. Shame really as I don't like constant animosity with someone and constant disagreements but sometimes when people are as willing to act as horribly as you are willing to act towards other people - I have to stand up for myself and the rest of the good lads you've abused in the Game World. If you change your ways I'll bury the hatchet, but unfortunately I suspect you'll continue abusing the game and the community that play it - because you've shown nothing but that so far.

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Just stop playing the victim m8 . Many ppl in this GW also know what you are truly like. Accusing ppl repeatedly with no proof. I hope one day you will stop acting righteous, just stop acting brah. Just stop acting like a saint.Just stop LOL. Stop giving life lessons as if you are some preist LMAO.

There are only a handful of warriors i have arguments with in this GW. Stop all these victim stuff. There is no burying of hatchets. I cudn't care less anymore. You had no problems accusing me weeks ago repeatedly even when i know for myself i didn't cheat. You even accused me of exposing myself LMFAO. How is that even possible when i myself know i never cheated LOL.

You had no problem 'mistreating' others then, don't have a problem now. Stop the act. Many ppl in this gw see the true you too. Don't act like you are standing up for others. I get along more than fine with 96% of the managers, except a fair few social justice warriors like you. 

The term for you guys, as called by many other managers here, are 'SM Police', 'SM Nerds'. And i saw recently the term you guys label yourselves are apparently the 'SM elite' LMFAO ? jokes

As for my suspicions regarding you & George Angel, they are in a new thread under GW1 under Exposed: George Angel. you can stop playing victim now. Cheers

 

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