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When Ramires plays it's Essien who tends to be the player sitting more. I'd rather have Essien sitting than Mikel.

However' date=' when Essien and Mikel play, you could argue it gives Essien more freedom as he isn't so restricted.

I'd rather play Essien and Ramires out of the three of them, you can't play all three as the midfield lacks creativity, they don't score enough goals and I think they're just a more dynamic partnership combined with Lampard.

Also i don't rate Mikel that highly as DM anyway.[/quote']

Each to their own and I completely appreciate where you're coming from, but football isn't just players, it's also systems. Purely on talent and ability Ramires and certainly Essien are probably better players, but if you're asking me to pick one of the three to play between the lines, break up play and then play the simple pass then I'm picking Mikel, it's essentially what he's spent the majority of his career doing and while he hasn't turned into dominant monster of a player I suspect Chelsea hoped they were getting he's still an above average screener. On the other hand Essien and Ramires, rather than being defensive specialists, are typically asked to take on more slack offensively.

I'm sure Essien -can- sit, and do a perfectly acceptable job of it, but when you've got a footballer with his unique skill set and such a fantastic motor it's a shame to see him shackled as a pretty basic holder. And if Villas Boas keeps faith with the system at Porto which essentially used one holder and two more offensive minded midfielders, you're creating problems for yourself defensively by asking that sitter to take on some offensive workload as well.

Bottom line is it's an argument of luxury I guess, they're all at worst solid players who can be cogs in a title winning team. Of course right now the biggest problem Chelsea have with regards to the midfield is the lack of a genuine dominant ball player in the middle of the park.

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Each to their own and I completely appreciate where you're coming from' date=' but football isn't just players, it's also systems. Purely on talent and ability Ramires and certainly Essien are probably better players, but if you're asking me to pick one of the three to play between the lines, break up play and then play the simple pass then I'm picking Mikel, it's essentially what he's spent the majority of his career doing and while he hasn't turned into dominant monster of a player I suspect Chelsea hoped they were getting he's still an above average screener. On the other hand Essien and Ramires, rather than being defensive specialists, are typically asked to take on more slack offensively.

I'm sure Essien -can- sit, and do a perfectly acceptable job of it, but when you've got a footballer with his unique skill set and such a fantastic motor it's a shame to see him shackled as a pretty basic holder. And if Villas Boas keeps faith with the system at Porto which essentially used one holder and two more offensive minded midfielders, you're creating problems for yourself defensively by asking that sitter to take on some offensive workload as well.

Bottom line is it's an argument of luxury I guess, they're all at worst solid players who can be cogs in a title winning team. Of course right now the biggest problem Chelsea have with regards to the midfield is the lack of a genuine dominant ball player in the middle of the park.[/quote']

When Mikel joined us he was an AM, but Mourinho turned him into a DM which was completely the wrong move in my oppinion as he hasn't become the player we all expected considering the hype when he joined.

I agree, it's a shame asking Essien to sit in front of the front four, however football is a team game and whilst he might not be so individually prodominant when he's sittng in front of the back 4, the team as a whole i believe is better with him sitting there rather than Mikel.

Also, if you did pick Mikel, who would you play with him? You can't play Essien, Mikel and Ramires in the same midfield, it just doesn't offer enough going forward. So who would you drop? Dropping Ramires or Essien would in my oppinion weaken the team as a whole.

Also whilst Essien might not have as much freedom, he can still run forward from his holding position, though we didn't see it as much last season, he's more than capable of charging forward with the ball and setting up an attack. When he does this Ramires can cover or because of his speed, get back if the attack breaks down.

I completely agree on your last point, we 100% need a playmaker. There's still talk of Modric and i expect us to step up our pursuit very soon. I would'nt be surprised if we bidded again within the week.

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When Mikel joined us he was an AM' date=' but Mourinho turned him into a DM which was completely the wrong move in my oppinion as he hasn't become the player we all expected considering the hype when he joined.

I agree, it's a shame asking Essien to sit in front of the front four, however football is a team game and whilst he might not be so individually prodominant when he's sittng in front of the back 4, the team as a whole i believe is better with him sitting there rather than Mikel.

Also, if you did pick Mikel, who would you play with him? You can't play Essien, Mikel and Ramires in the same midfield, it just doesn't offer enough going forward. So who would you drop? Dropping Ramires or Essien would in my oppinion weaken the team as a whole.

Also whilst Essien might not have as much freedom, he can still run forward from his holding position, though we didn't see it as much last season, he's more than capable of charging forward with the ball and setting up an attack. When he does this Ramires can cover or because of his speed, get back if the attack breaks down.

I completely agree on your last point, we 100% need a playmaker. There's still talk of Modric and i expect us to step up our pursuit very soon. I would'nt be surprised if we bidded again within the week.[/quote']

It depends on variables, such as who Chelsea were playing. I'm not suggesting that if you were picking Chelsea's best XI he should be in there, but if you're picking the most effective team in say, a Champions League final, I'd find it hard to leave him out. For sure Mikel isn't the sort of option who needs to play every week, against teams who aren't going to create a lot Essien is a more viable option as it'll maybe restrict his attacking ability less than it would if forced to stick rigidly to the role. For crunch games I'd want Mikel sitting with Essien and a play maker strung out in front of him. I just think he's the best specialist at that position, and against teams who are going to keep the ball and try to hurt you in front of the back four it's an unnecessary risk to stick a player who's instinct is to vacate position to join in with the attack. He's an enormous physical presence who reads the game well, can win the ball in the air and he's gradually learnt when to keep his discipline, he possess an awful lot of the qualities you'd ask for in an ideal screening midfielder.

Of course this is assuming Villas Boas persists with shape he's used this season, were he to tweak it slightly to be more like Mourinho's (loosely speaking) 4-3-3 then you could probably get away with a Ramires/Essien pivot more easily so long as the work was put in with regards to them dovetailing.

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Anelka can play wide-that is true. And give good performances when he does. But under Scolari he did say that he moved from Bolton to play as a centre forward' date=' not a winger. So whether the situation has changed and he will be happy playing as a winger or not I don't know.

Even if no new forwards arrive if Anelka wants as much playing time as possible he will accept a wing role since the CF spot has both Torres and Drogba fighting for it, with Sturridge potentially as well.

If they play 4-4-2 Sturridge could play in cups (a reasonable amount of appearances, he may be happy to stay and prove he can play for Chelsea when Drogba and Anelka get too old) with Anelka on the bench which would be acceptable I guess. United will have to bench a quality winger or two since Young has arrived, Jones arriving means a good CB won't make the bench-the intense competition is like that in all teams and Anelka may not react badly to being benched.[/quote']

Anelka has said though before that he likes creating goals as much as he likes scoring them, when Drogba was used as a CF, Anelka occupied a RF role and was the provider for Drogba, Falcao's arrival won't make any difference to Anelka's position at the club, but if Hulk joins, then thats another story.

What Chelsea need is Moutinho, they won't be getting Modric on the cheap, and although Moutinho won't come cheap either, he's a more realistic target, then if you were to take another player from Porto, i would say it should be Hulk to occupy that RF position, you don't need Falcao at the club when you already have Drogba(should be first choice CF if you judge the two on form) and Torres.

And i agree Anelka may be willing to sit on the bench, he's still a very good player and a asset to any club.

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Anelka has said though before that he likes creating goals as much as he likes scoring them' date=' when Drogba was used as a CF, Anelka occupied a RF role and was the provider for Drogba, Falcao's arrival won't make any difference to Anelka's position at the club, but if Hulk joins, then thats another story.

[b']http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/anelka-unhappy-playing-out-wide-chelsea-195395

But Anelka said this-he played there but didn't like it. I personally think that he should accept that if he needs to play right wing to get game time he should do. Maybe he now thinks this. But bearing in mind what he said before if Anelka still maintains that he should only be used as a CF then Falcao WILL inevitably impact on his place.[/b]

What Chelsea need is Moutinho, they won't be getting Modric on the cheap, and although Moutinho won't come cheap either, he's a more realistic target, then if you were to take another player from Porto, i would say it should be Hulk to occupy that RF position, you don't need Falcao at the club when you already have Drogba(should be first choice CF if you judge the two on form) and Torres.

And i agree Anelka may be willing to sit on the bench, he's still a very good player and a asset to any club.

I think that with a 4-3-3 the problem may be finding a fit for Torres in there. Him and Drogba can't both play. But if RVB does bring a forward, the wing play of Hulk I also think would be more needed than Falcao. He would only add to the above dilemma.

However, if Cheslea play 4-4-2 then Drog and Torres can play together, with Kalou and Anelka fighting for the bench. Sturridge should be sent out on loan agin really unless a forward leaves.

With a 4-3-3 Moutinho would be a great asset and could potentially start, but in a 4-4-2 he would be good but behind Essien and Lampard.

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It depends on variables' date=' such as who Chelsea were playing. I'm not suggesting that if you were picking Chelsea's best XI he should be in there, but if you're picking the most effective team in say, a Champions League final, I'd find it hard to leave him out. For sure Mikel isn't the sort of option who needs to play every week, against teams who aren't going to create a lot Essien is a more viable option as it'll maybe restrict his attacking ability less than it would if forced to stick rigidly to the role. For crunch games I'd want Mikel sitting with Essien and a play maker strung out in front of him. I just think he's the best specialist at that position, and against teams who are going to keep the ball and try to hurt you in front of the back four it's an unnecessary risk to stick a player who's instinct is to vacate position to join in with the attack. He's an enormous physical presence who reads the game well, can win the ball in the air and he's gradually learnt when to keep his discipline, he possess an awful lot of the qualities you'd ask for in an ideal screening midfielder.

Of course this is assuming Villas Boas persists with shape he's used this season, were he to tweak it slightly to be more like Mourinho's (loosely speaking) 4-3-3 then you could probably get away with a Ramires/Essien pivot more easily so long as the work was put in with regards to them dovetailing.[/quote']

Absolutely, depending on the calibre and style of the team Chelsea are facing, Villa-Boas should use the best combination possible.

Still though, unless we were playing Barcelona, i'd still risk playing Ramires even if we were slighly less sound defensively because i just don't think Mikel offers enough to the attack and i don't think he's that good at guarding the back four anyway. In most cases i'd still risk being slightly more shaky at the back in order to have greater impitus going forward.

It's all personal oppinion though, everything you've said is correct and i wouldn't be surprised if Villas-Boas trialled all the different combinations in pre-season.

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Bringing in Falcao just creates more question marks and confusion in the dressing room. Chelsea don't need another CF' date=' they need wide attackers like Hulk and Neymar. Finally they need to top it off with a creative midfielder like Moutinho or Modric.[/quote']

maybe he ll use two CF ,Falcao,Drogba,Torress and swap them between when they are tired,have cards,injured,not in form etc

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maybe he ll use two CF ' date='Falcao,Drogba,Torress and swap them between when they are tired,have cards,injured,not in form etc[/quote']

Pretty much sure that Villas-Boas will use a 4-3-3 and will all know that the formation only needs ONE CF. I seriously don't get it. Abramovich will be furious if Torres is not that man leading the line and instead Falcao will be. Even if Falcao becomes back up to Torrres, I'm sure that's not the reason why Falcao wants to come to Chelsea, To be backup. And there's still Drogba to be considered...:confused:

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Given his body of work is relatively small it's all postulating, but Porto being as successful as they were using that system the sensible money would be on him continuing with it. I'd wager if he walked through the door with a game tomorrow it would loosely be something like -

Cech

Ivanovic - Terry - Luiz - Cole

Mikel

Essien - Lampard

Anelka-------------Malouda

Torres

The personnel is interchangeable but essentially one sitter in midfield giving the other two freedom to play further forward, wingers and he seems to like full backs that bomb on as well, by all accounts.

Edit: I use the term wingers loosely, Hulk for example cut inside a lot at Porto. It;s a role that Anelka could fill pretty comfortable if necessary.

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I can see us only making a few signings. 2 or 3, not including Villas-Boas.

-----------------Cech-----------

--Bosingwa--Terry--Luiz--A.Cole--

----------------Essien-----------

----------Lampard--Playmaker----

-Hulk-------------------Malouda-

---------------Torres------------

This season i can only see drogba reduced to a sub unless we really need him. He will only start against Big 4 teams.

Definetly see Hulk at Chelsea now. would prefer Sneijder but Modric can work too. Anelka, Zhirkhov, Mikel. And if we need to then Ivanovic and Alex. We also need to raise our youth. McEachran, Sturrige, Kakuta, Van Aanholt, Bruma e.t.c need more game time.

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I can see us only making a few signings. 2 or 3' date=' not including Villas-Boas.

-----------------Cech-----------

--Bosingwa--Terry--Luiz--A.Cole--

----------------Essien-----------

----------Lampard--Playmaker----

-Hulk-------------------Malouda-

---------------Torres------------

This season i can only see drogba reduced to a sub unless we really need him. He will only start against Big 4 teams.

Definetly see Hulk at Chelsea now. would prefer Sneijder but Modric can work too. Anelka, Zhirkhov, Mikel. And if we need to then Ivanovic and Alex. We also need to raise our youth. McEachran, Sturrige, Kakuta, Van Aanholt, Bruma e.t.c need more game time.[/quote']

Hulk apparently has a 100 million euro's buy out clause. Stuff that!!!! :rolleyes:

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