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I haven't done one of these before, as I tend to concentrate on individual player scouts and match reports, but I've noticed there isn't really a thread that concentrates on the upcoming rating changes of each individual team in the Premier League, so I thought I'd give it a crack :D. Bear with me, these are just my opinions!

I've decided on a team-by-team format, like most other people do, starting at the top and working my way down.

Current League Table:

(Position; Team; Games Played; Goal Difference; Points)

1 Manchester United 33 53 77

2 Chelsea 33 35 74

3 Arsenal 33 36 71

4 Liverpool 33 32 63

5 Everton 33 22 60

6 Portsmouth 32 13 53

7 Aston Villa 33 12 52

8 Blackburn Rovers 33 4 51

9 Manchester City 33 -2 49

10 West Ham United 32 -4 44

11 Tottenham Hotspur 33 6 40

12 Newcastle United 33 -18 38

13 Sunderland 33 -18 36

14 Middlesbrough 33 -17 35

15 Wigan Athletic 33 -17 34

16 Reading 33 -24 32

17 Birmingham City 33 -13 30

18 Bolton Wanderers 33 -22 26

19 Fulham 33 -26 24

20 Derby County 33 -52 11

I'll list the players in the squad, and state their current ratings and what I think their ratings should be. I'll colour code the players: green for rating increase, black for no change and red for rating decrease.

The ratings I have given are based on amount of games, general performances, goals scored (for strikers), goals conceded (for defenders/goalkeepers) and assists.

Manchester United

Edwin van der Sar 94 --> 94 (His performance today against Boro just shows how good he still is)

Tomasz Kuszczak 87 --> 88 (Second-choice keeper ahead of Foster. Rating has to match Itandje IMO)

Ben Foster 87 --> 87 (Needs to play more. I'd love him to be Schwarzer's replacement!)

Patrice Evra 92 --> 93 (Best left-back in league)

Gary Neville 91 --> 90 (Injury has meant he hasn't played)

Rio Ferdinand 94 --> 95 (Solid and composed. He is world class)

Nemanja Vidic 94 --> 95 (Best tackling defender in league. He will be missed)

Wes Brown 89 --> 90/91 (Has played most games in Neville's absence, and done so well)

Mikael Silvestre 87 --> 87 (May make some appearances due to Vidic's and Rio's injuries)

Gerard Pique 87 --> 87 (Looked strong today, so won't decrease)

John O'Shea 89 --> 88 (Hasn't played enough to hold his rating)

Ryan Giggs 93 --> 92 (His deterioration is evident, but still a great pro)

Darren Fletcher 88 --> 89 (Played a few games recently)

Paul Scholes 93 --> 94 (Instrumental in midfield)

Michael Carrick 91 --> 91 (Hargreaves signing hasn't helped his progress)

Owen Hargreaves 91 --> 92 (Breaks up play nearly as well as Mascherano)

Luis Anderson 89 --> 90 (The frightening thing is, he'll only get better)

Cristiano Ronaldo 98 --> 99 (Best player in the world, at the moment. Unplayable)

Luis Nani 89 --> 90 (Same as Anderson. Excellent signing)

Ji-Sung Park 88 --> 89 (Has been bright since coming back into first team)

Wayne Rooney 96 --> 96 (Box-to-box striker! Works so hard, and is United's unsung hero in terms of attack. 96 is justified)

Carlos Tevez 94 --> 94 (Needs to score more goals, but still always a threat)

Louis Saha 90 --> 89 (Hasn't played nearly enough to retain his 90 rating)

Chelsea

Petr Cech 96 --> 95 (Still class, but hasn't played as much recently and when he doesn't look confident)

Carlo Cudicini 87 --> 88 (Filled in well recently for Cech. Still a good keeper)

Henrique Hilario 84 --> 83 (I think we've seen him play his last game in a Chelsea shirt)

Ashley Cole 92 --> 92 (Chelsea's league position saves him from a decrease)

Wayne Bridge 89 --> 88 (Has hardly played since Christmas. 89 is simply too high)

Juliano Belletti 89 --> 91 (Impressive since signing from Barcelona)

Renato Paulo Ferreira 89 --> 88 (Like Bridge, he's hardly played. Kept out by Belletti)

Branislav Ivanovic 88 --> 87 (Not 1 appearance since his 'big money' switch)

John Terry 96 --> 95 (Better than Vidic and Ferdinand? I don't think so, at the moment)

Alberto Ricardo Carvalho 94 --> 94 (Strong and composed defender, but not on par with United's defence)

Rodrigo Alex 92 --> 92 (Yet to forge a solid partnership with Terry or Carvalho, but seems strong)

Tal Ben Haim 89 --> 88 (I don't think he's played since last ratings)

Florent Malouda 92 --> 91 (Hardly ever starts for Chelsea)

Shaun Wright-Phillips 90 --> 91 (He makes things happen when he's on the field)

Michael Essien 95 --> 96 (Tireless, hard-working and world class midfielder. He is the Chelsea engine room)

Frank Lampard 95 --> 95 (Again, Chelsea's good form and league position stopped him from decreasing again)

Michael Ballack 92 --> 93 (Recently has shown signs of the player he was at Bayern)

John Obi Mikel 90 --> 91 (Has seemed more mature in the latter half of the season)

Steve Sidwell 87 --> 87 (Needs to move to get games and fulfill his potential)

Claude Makelele 92 --> 90 (Hasn't played a competitive game in ages)

Joe Cole 92 --> 93/94 (Chelsea's best player of late. Everything goes through him)

Andriy Shevchenko 92 --> 91 (His reputation stops him from decreasing even further)

Nicolas Anelka 92 --> 92 (Still needs time to settle into the Chelsea team, but shows the odd sign of brilliance)

Saloman Kalou 91 --> 92 (Plays most games for Chelsea, and scores some important goals)

Franco di Santo 85 --> 85 (Yet to make his debut, but one for the future)

Scott Sinclair 85 --> 85 (I think he's been loaned out to a Championship club)

Didier Drogba 96 --> 96 (Strong, fast and scores goals when they're most needed. Still worthy of a 96)

Claudio Pizarro 89 --> 88 (Hasn't made any kind of impact at Stamford Bridge)

Arsenal

Jens Lehmann 91 --> 89 (Definitely his last season with Arsenal, possibly in football)

Manuel Almunia 89 --> 90 (The Gunners' number 1. Deserves a 90, despite some shaky performances)

Lukasz Fabianski 85 --> 85 (Hasn't played in the league yet, but a player I'd definitely keep if I had him)

Gael Clichy 91 --> 92 (If his and Arsenal's recent form were better, he may have reached 93)

Armand Traore 83 --> 83 (Looked good against Liverpool, but not enough games to warrant increase)

Bakari Sagna 91 --> 92 (Consistent and impressive throughout his first season at Arsenal)

Justin Hoyte 86 --> 86 (His appearance against Liverpool probably saved him from a decrease)

Kolo Toure 94 --> 95 (The complete defender, and can (unfortunately :rolleyes:) nick a goal now and then)

Phillippe Senderos 88 --> 89 (Has played a lot recently. Filled in well, but won't ever be world class)

Johan Djourou 87 --> 87 (Played enough at Birmingham on loan to maintain his rating)

William Gallas 94 --> 94 (Consistently solid for the whole season, but has been below par recently)

Aleksandr Hleb 92 --> 92 (Exciting and creative, but doesn't play enough to warrant an increase)

Emmanuel Eboue 89 --> 89 (He would've increased if it weren't for disappointing recent performances)

Cesc Fabregas 95 --> 96 (Simply brilliant. He has the best vision of any midfielder playing in England)

Mathieu Flamini 90 --> 92 (Arsenal's unsung hero. Without Flamini, Fabregas couldn't be so effective)

Abou Diaby 88 --> 88 (Strong utility player, but hasn't played enough to warrant increase)

Pereira Neves Denilson 87 --> 86 (I don't think he's played a competitive game in 2008)

Aparecido da Gilberto Silva 92 --> 91 (Gradually featuring less and less for the Gunners)

Alexandre Song Billong 86 --> 84 (Like Denilson, Song Billong hasn't played for ages)

Tomas Rosicky 93 --> 92 (Top class player, who's season has been marred by injury)

Theo Walcott 87 --> 89 (Has taken giant leaps in justifying his big transfer fee recently)

Robin Van Persie 92 --> 92 (Just back from an annoying injury, will show his true potential next season)

da Silva Eduardo 90 --> 90 (If it weren't for his horrific injury, he would've received an increase)

Emmanuel Adebayor 91 --> 93 (Prolific over the whole season, despite his recent dry patch)

Niklas Bendtner 87 --> 88 (Continues to receive first team football)

Liverpool

Jose 'Pepe' Reina 93 --> 93 (Quality keeper, but makes the odd error now and again)

Charles Itandje 88 --> 87 (Hasn't been given an opportunity to play regular football)

John Arne Riise 91 --> 90 (Doesn't play regular, and hasn't been anything like as threatening in attack this season)

Fabio Aurelio 88 --> 89 (Played a fair bit in the first team after the turn of the year)

Steve Finnan 91 --> 90 (Has featured very little since the last rating changes)

Jamie Carragher 94 --> 93 (Hasn't been as good as he's capable of, recently, and has got away with a few mistakes)

Daniel Agger 90 --> 89 (Injury has hampered his progress, will return next season)

Martin Skrtel 89 --> 90 (Consistent and solid since being brought into the team)

Sami Hyypia 89 --> 90 (A late career revival for the Finn, he's marshalled Skrtel very well)

Alvaro Arbeloa 90 --> 90 (Continues to be useful in the Liverpool defence)

Harry Kewell 88 --> 86 (Looks set to be finally leaving Anfield at the end of the season)

Sebastian Leto 86 --> 85 (No games for the young Argentine)

Jermaine Pennant 89 --> 88 (Effective when he plays, but rarely features)

Yossi Benayoun 89 --> 89 (Had he made more appearances, he would've warranted an increase)

Steven Gerrard 97 --> 97 (The heartbeat of Liverpool. Without him, they'd struggle)

Lucas Leiva 88 --> 89 (Continues to impress and progress, but needs to keep playing)

Olano Xabi Alonso 93 --> 92 (Struggles to make an impact on games like he used to)

Javier Mascherano 93 --> 94 (Without Mascherano's presence, Liverpool would concede many more)

Ryan Babel 89 --> 89 (A close call, more full games would've seen an increase)

Dirk Kuijt 91 --> 91 (Only his last few games have ensured he maintains his rating)

Andriy Voronin 89 --> 88 (Like Claudio Pizarro, Voronin has done very little since joining the Reds)

Jose Fernando Torres 94 --> 95/96 (Excellent goalscoring record. Worth every penny of his transfer fee)

Peter Crouch 90 --> 90 (He deserves more games. He's shown that when he does play, he causes defences problems)

Everton

Tim Howard 90 --> 90 (Has shown at Everton why Manchester United brought him to England)

Stefan Wessels 85 --> 85 (Next to no games since being bought in. Very much second-choice)

Leighton Baines 88 --> 87 (A good young full-back, but plays very little)

Jorge Nuno Valente 87 --> 85 (I haven't even noticed him this season, such is the lack of games he's played)

Tony Hibbert 88 --> 88 (Reliable, but nothing special)

Joleon Lescott 90 --> 90 (Continues to be solid at the back for the Toffees)

Joseph Yobo 89 --> 89 (Solid as ever, without setting the world alight)

Phil Jagielka 87 --> 89 (Has settled in superbly at Everton, completing a solid backline)

Anthony Gardner 86 --> 86 (Yet to break into the Everton defence)

Steven Pienaar 89 --> 90 (Tricky wide man, who pops up regularly with goals and assists)

Henriques Manuel Fernandes 89 --> 88 (Hasn't had the same impact as he did during his last loan spell)

Thomas Gravesen 87 --> 86 (Has reached the end of a colourful career in top flight football)

Phil Neville 89 --> 89 (Efficient as ever in the Everton midfield)

Lee Carsley 89 --> 89 (Like Neville, Carsley remains a consistent engine in midfield)

Mikel Arteta 92 --> 92 (Despite a dip in Everton's form, Arteta is still a constant thorn in the side of defences)

Tim Cahill 91 --> 91 (Still a constant attacking threat for Everton)

Leon Osman 89 --> 88 (Has recently been below par, and doesn't chip in with as many goals nowadays)

Andy van der Meyde 83 --> 83 (He may as well have already left Goodison Park)

Andy Johnson 89 --> 89 (Still causes defences problems, but needs to start scoring goals again)

Aiyegbeni Yakubu 91 --> 92/93 (Quality, prolific striker who, when he wants to, can be unplayable)

Victor Anichebe 87 --> 87 (A promising forward, but hasn't been playing often recently)

James Vaughan 86 --> 86 (As with Anichebe, Vaughan hasn't played as much as he'd like recently)

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Re: Millzy's English Premier League Rating Changes Portsmouth David James 91 --> 92 (The best English keeper around at the moment. Like wine, he seems to get better with age) Jamie Ashdown 84

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Great amount of effort and work would have gone into that...and it wont go without reward. Rep for u my friend:D . But i strongly disagree with some of them. I will post my opinions soon:) . Most i agree with and you've got them spot on mate. Well done.

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Portsmouth

David James 91 --> 92 (The best English keeper around at the moment. Like wine, he seems to get better with age)

Jamie Ashdown 84 --> 84 (Will be waiting a long time to get a game above the 'evergreen' James)

Lucien Aubey 87 --> 86 (Featured only twice since joing Pompey in January)

Hermann Hreidarsson 87 --> 87 (He's been quite solid this season, but his age seems to limit his rating somewhat)

Glen Johnson 88 --> 89/90 (Strong and pacy full-back, whose performances could warrant an England call-up)

Bisan Lauren 88 --> 86 (Hasn't played a league match in the calendar year

Noe Pamarot 86 --> 86 (Rarely plays for Pompey, but deserves a 99 for his strike against Newcastle! (Joke) :P)

Richard Duffy 83 --> 83 (I doubt he'll be at Fratton Park next season)

Sylvain Distin 90 --> 90 (Continues to to one-half of a solid Pompey defensive partnership)

Sol Campbell 90 --> 90 (Still a quality defender)

Linvoy Primus 86 --> 85 (Has been a distant memory since the arrival of Distin)

Sulley Ali Muntari 90 --> 90 (A recent dip in form has stopped an increase in rating after a quality season)

Miguel Pedro Mendes 88 --> 87 (Has lost his first team place to Bouba Diop this season)

Pape Bouba Diop 88 --> 89 (A strong powerhouse in Portsmouth's midfield)

Sean Davis 88 --> 87 (Has featured only 4 times since Christmas)

Richard Hughes 86 --> 85 (Only a bit-part player in the Pompey team)

Arnold Mvuemba 84 --> 84 (Still only cover for the first team, but has featured a few times)

Lassana Diarra 88 --> 89 (Has been dynamic in the Pompey engine room since his January transfer)

Niko Kranjcar 90 --> 90 (Despite a quiet patch, Kranjcar remains to be bright and creative)

Jermain Defoe 89 --> 90/91 (Defoe has hit a purple patch since joining Pompey, averaging over a goal per game)

Milan Baros 89 --> 88 (Is yet to score for Pompey, despite featuring 8 times since his loan move)

Nwankwo Kanu 88 --> 87 (Not the same player as he was last season and the start of this season)

John Utaka 88 --> 88 (Remains to be a constant threat to defences with his pace)

David Nugent 86 --> 85 (Has failed to live up to expectations after his big money move)

Aston Villa

Scott Carson 89 --> 89 (Has generally been reliable and consistent this season, but recent matches mean no increase)

Thomas Sorensen 88 --> 86 (Hasn't played this season, and is now third choice keeper)

Stuart Taylor 83 --> 84 (4 appearances this season has meant Taylor is now second choice keeper)

Wilfred Bouma 88 --> 89 (Supports the left-midfielder well, and has been strong at full-back)

Martin Laursen 90 --> 90 (Despite recent defensive mishaps, Laursen has proved that he is still worthy of a starting position)

Olof Mellberg 90 --> 90 (Like Laursen, Villa's defensive solidity throughout the season means Mellberg will reatin his rating)

Zat Knight 87 --> 87 (Only 5 games since Christmas, but Villa's league position means no decrease for Knight)

Curtis Davies 86 --> 87 (Only an injury has stopped Davies impressive run in the team)

Patrik Berger 85 --> 84 (Featured only 4 times as a substitute this season)

Craig Gardner 87 --> 87 (Promising youngster making more-and-more appearances)

Wayne Routledge 85 --> 85 (Yet to make an appearance for his new team)

Gareth Barry 91 --> 91 (The linch-pin in Villa's midfield, and fully deserving of his high rating)

Nigel Reo-Coker 88 --> 89 (Work-horse in Villa's midfield, who gives Barry freedom to create)

Stiliyan Petrov 88 --> 88 (Plays fairly regularly, but hasn't torn up any trees with his performances

Isaiah Osbourne 84 --> 84 (Very much a back-up to the first team at the moment)

Shaun Maloney 88 --> 88 (Features fairly regularly, but not enough to warrant an increase)

Ashley Young 89 --> 90 (Gives full-backs a real problem, and nicks in with the odd goal)

Gabriel Agbonlahor 89 --> 90 (Despite a barren goalscoring patch, Agbonlahor deserves an increase for his general performances)

Marlon Harewood 85 --> 86 (Featured 17 times for Villa this season, but with only 1 start)

John Carew 90 --> 90 (Holds the ball up well, and has scored 9 goals this season)

Blackburn Rovers

Brad Friedel 89 --> 89 (Solid between the sticks as always)

Jason Brown 82 --> 82 (Second choice behind the ever-present Friedel)

Stephen Warnock 88 --> 88 (Enthusiastic full-back, full of energy)

Brett Emerton 88 --> 87 (Despite playing the majority of games, Emerton has been prone to making a mistake this season)

Ryan Nelsen 88 --> 87 (Played less than half of Blackburn's league games this season)

Christopher Samba 88 --> 89 (Immense presence at the back for Rovers)

Andre Ooijer 87 --> 87 (Tidy player when he plays, but he's rotated and doesn't play as much as he'd like)

Zurab Khizanishvili 86 --> 86 (Very much back-up to the first team, but has made 13 appearances)

Stephane Henchoz 85 --> 83 (Hasn't played this season)

Bruno Berner 85 --> 84 (Only 2 appearances this season)

Morten Gamst Pedersen 90 --> 89 (Lacked the quality he's had in previous seasons, scoring only twice)

Sergio Peter 82 --> 82 (Not featured for Blackburn this season)

Keith Treacy 66 --> 75/76 (Has been impressive during his loan spell at Hartlepool)

David Bentley 90 --> 91 (Established himself at international level, and has created everything for Rovers this season)

Steven Reid 86 --> 86 (Another injury-marred season for Reid, playing less than half of Blackburn's league games)

Kerimoglu Tugay 88 --> 87 (It seems the Turkish magician's days are numbered, featuring only 17 times this season)

David Dunn 87 --> 88 (Played the majority of Rovers' games this season, and has been very consistent)

Johann Vogel 87 --> 87 (Has only just signed for Blackburn)

Aaron Mokoena 87 --> 86 (Started only 7 times this season, and featuring in less than half of Rovers' games)

Benni McCarthy 91 --> 90 (8 goals all season doesn't warrant a 91 rating)

Matt Derbyshire 86 --> 87 (Despite only 4 starts from his 22 appearances, the youngster has scored 3 vital goals)

Roque Santa Cruz 91 --> 91 (A good haul of 14 goals in 30 appearances are enough to justify his rating)

Jason Roberts 86 --> 87 (Has featured in the majority of Rovers' games since Christmas, and nicked a couple of goals)

Manchester City

Andreas Isaksson 89 --> 87 (Never given a chance to show his quality at Eastlands. Will be elsewhere next season)

Joe Hart 86 --> 88 (The youngster has shown real maturity for the whole season)

Javier Garrido 88 --> 87 (Only 6 appearances since Christmas, Garrido seems to have fallen out of favour)

Michael Ball 87 --> 88 (Seems to have replaced Garrido as first-choice left-back, and has done so admirably)

Vedran Corluka 91 --> 90 (Hasn't been as strong and consistent as he was at the start of the season)

Jihai Sun 85 --> 85 (Provides back-up to the first-team, and fills in wherever, whenever - the Shakira of football :D)

Richard Dunne 91 --> 91 (Despite City's fall from grace, Richard Dunne has been a rock all season)

Michael Richards 90 --> 90 (Like Dunne, Richards has maintained his high standards at centre-back)

Nedum Onuoha 86 --> 87 (Has recently enjoyed a good run in the first team, unfortunately spoiled by injury at the weekend)

Deiberson Geovanni 87 --> 86 (Featured only 4 times since Christmas)

Stephen Ireland 88 --> 89 (Hard-working and creative, he's tried to cover for Elano's drop in form)

Michael Johnson 87 --> 88 (Recently back from a niggling injury, he's picked up where he left off - very consistent)

Gelson Fernandes 86 --> 87 (Tenacious midfielder with good vision, he's played a lot more since last rating changes)

Dietmar Hamann 89 --> 89 (Still playing regularly and doing an efficient job)

Blumer Elano 92 --> 91 (Elano looks like a different player to the one which unlocked defences at the season's start)

Nashat Akram 84 --> 84 (Problems with work permits means Akram isn't yet a City player officially)

Martin Petrov 91 --> 90 (Hasn't been as effective as he was before Christmas, but still playing regular)

Nery Castillo 89 --> 87 (Castillo's transfer to City was hyped up, but he has only started twice since January)

Mwaruwari Benjani 89 --> 89 (Benjani hasn't showed the same form he showed at Portsmouth, but needs time to adjust)

Valeri Bojinov 89 --> 87 (Injury has seen Bojinov appear only 3 times for City this season)

Darius Vassell 87 --> 88 (Vassell has shown hard work, vesatility and determination in his performances for City since Christmas)

Felipe Caicedo 86 --> 86 (The youngster looks strong and pacey, but has only made 7 substitute appearances)

Daniel Sturridge 70 --> 77 (Sturridge has started twice and scored once, just building up his reputation)

Emile Mpenza 87 --> 86 (Has played only thrice since the turn of the year)

West Ham United

Robert Green 89 --> 90 (Despite their recent abysmal goal conceding record, Green has been superb for the whole season)

Richard Wright 84 --> 84 (Hasn't played a game this season)

George McCartney 87 --> 88 (Played pretty much every game for the Hammers this season, and is very reliable)

Lucas Neill 89 --> 90 (A close call, but has been consistent and solid enough to merit a 90)

Jonthan Spector 86 --> 86 (Has played a surprising amount of games for Weast Ham this season - 24!)

John Pantsil 84 --> 84 (A bit-part player who won't be at Upton Park for much longer)

Matthew Upson 88 --> 89 (Major contributer to West Ham's (generally) solid defence this season)

Anton Ferdinand 87 --> 87 (Started over half of the Hammers' games this season, making good progress)

Danny Gabbidon 87 --> 86 (Featured only 10 times over the whole of the season)

James Collins 86 --> 85 (Only 3 appearances this season)

James Tomkins 74 --> 77/78 (Made a couple of first team appearances this season)

Luis Boa Morte 88 --> 87 (Started less than half of West Ham's games, and is being rotated)

Matthew Etherington 88 --> 87 (Like Boa Morte, hasn't played regular football)

Julien Faubert 88 --> 87 (Only 5 appearances since returning from his long-term injury)

Nolberto Solano 88 --> 88 (Seems to be rotated, but when he plays he shows real quality and creativity)

Lee Bowyer 87 --> 87 (Lucky to retain his rating, featuring in around half of the Hammer's games this season)

Kieran Dyer 87 --> 86 (Bad injury has seen him make only 2 appearances this season)

Scott Parker 88 --> 87 (Again, played only 12 games this season)

Mark Noble 87 --> 88 (Bright, young talent playing regularly - with good vision and passing skills)

Nigel Quashie 84 --> 83 (Hasn't played a game this season)

Hayden Mullins 87 --> 87 (Played the vast majority of games this season, but prone to making unneccessary errors)

Fredrik Ljungberg 89 --> 88 (Has continued his gradual deterioration from the brilliant player he once was)

Craig Bellamy 90 --> 87/88 (Featured only 8 times and scored twice - a disappointing record for someone who cost so much)

Henri Camara 87 --> 86 (Hasn't scored in any of his 10 appearances)

Freddie Sears 75 --> 80 (Despite only making 2 sub appearances, Sears looks like a good prospect)

Dean Ashton 88 --> 89 (A couple of recent goals after consistent good performances just nudge him up a rating)

Carlton Cole 87 --> 87 (Playing regularly, nicking the odd goal and good at bringing players into the game)

Bobby Zamora 86 --> 86 (A few recent games have helped him retain his rating)

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Tottenham Hotspur

Paul Robinson 89 --> 88 (A series of lacklustre performances has forced Ramos to drop him...twice!)

Radek Cerny 85 --> 86 (Made 7 starts since Christmas, and generally coped well)

Young-Pyo Lee 88 --> 87 (Hasn't played since January)

Gareth Bale 87 --> 86 (Yet to play a game under Juande Ramos, I'm not sure if he's been injured or not)

Benoit Assou-Ekotto 85 --> 84 (Only 1 appearance this season)

Alan Hutton 89 --> 89 (Has been impressive since signing, but not so to warrant an increase)

Pascal Chimbonda 89 --> 89 (Continues to play despite managerial bust-ups)

Chris Gunter 84 --> 84 (Has only made 2 appearances since signing)

Ledley King 90 --> 89 (Injury has meant only 4 games all season for King, wherein Spurs conceded 9 goals!)

Jonathan Woodgate 90 --> 91 (Has settled in very well, scoring a couple of goals too)

Michael Dawson 89 --> 89 (Continues to cover well for King, playing the majority of Spurs' games)

Younes Kaboul 87 --> 86 (Only 4 games since ratings were last assessed)

Sergio Ricardo Rocha 86 --> 85 (Hasn't played under Ramos)

da Silva Melo Gilberto 92 --> 89/90 (Only 1 sub appearance since joining in January)

Steed Malbranque 90 --> 90 (Causes defenders problems with his inpredictability)

Jamie O'Hara 83 --> 86/87 (Whenever he plays, which is quite often, he adds pace and enthusiasm to the team)

Jermaine Jenas 89 --> 90 (Has become good at supporting strikers, nicking in with a few goals and assists)

Tom Huddlestone 87 --> 88/89 (Powerful defensive midfielder, with a great strike. Improved fitness had helped)

Kevin Prince Boateng 87 --> 87 (Featured 6 times since Christmas)

Teemu Tainio 87 --> 86 (Very much back-up to the first team)

Didier Zokora 89 --> 89 (Remains strong and versatile)

Adel Taarabt 82 --> 82 (Very little first team action, only 6 substitute appearances during the season)

Aaron Lennon 89 --> 89 (Playing regular, but still missing that cutting edge which would take him to a 90+ rating)

Robbie Keane 92 --> 93 (Spurs' top scorer with 14, Keane has been on fire this season with Berbatov)

Darren Bent 88 --> 88 (Just recently showing signs of improvement, and the player that he was at Charlton)

Dimitar Berbatov 93 --> 93 (Class act, but his attitude stops him from becoming better)

Newcastle United

Shay Given 92 --> 91 (Hasn't played since the 5-1 defeat by Manchester United)

Steve Harper 87 --> 88 (One of the best stand-in/secind-choice goalkeepers in the Premier League)

Sanchez Jose Enrique 86 --> 86 (Showing small signs of improvement, but hasn't played enough)

Habib Beye 91 --> 89/90 (Looks quite solid at full-back, but not deserving of such a high rating)

Stephen Carr 86 --> 86 (Featured very little this season, his future looks in doubt)

Claudio Cacapa 88 --> 86/87 (Has looked nervous at best in the Toon backline)

Abdoulaye Diagne-Faye 88 --> 87 (Hasn't played regularly, but looked ok when playing)

Steven Taylor 87 --> 88 (The only player who looked like he was interested at the club for a long time - very committed)

Peter Ramage 85 --> 84 (Only 2 sub appearances this season)

David Edgar 77 --> 77 (A few minutes of playing time recently)

Charles N'Zogbia 88 --> 88 (Played nearly every game this season, but hasn't set the world alight)

Joey Barton 87 --> 87 (His last few performances have been excellent, but he was woeful for a long time before then)

Alan Smith 87 --> 87 (Played the vast majority of Newcastle's games this season)

Njitap Geremi 87 --> 87 (Will be lucky to hang onto his rating after only 5 appearances this year)

Belozoglu Emre 87 --> 86 (Only 3 games since Christmas and 8 starts all season will see Emre's rating decrease)

Nicky Butt 87 --> 87 (Like Smith, has played most of the Toons' games this season)

James Milner 88 --> 88 (After recent performances, he'll be lucky to hang onto an 88-rating, but he has ability)

Damien Duff 88 --> 87 (Featured only 12 times this season, we've definitely seen the best of Duff)

Obafemi Martins 90 --> 90 (Newcastle's recent performances will see Martins stays at 90)

Michael Owen 91 --> 91 (You can't decrease a player who's scored 3 goals in 3 games, but he's lucky)

Mark Viduka 89 --> 89 (Like Owen, his last few games mean he may just hang onto his 89 rating)

Shola Ameobi 85 --> 84 (On loan at Stoke, after hardly kicking a ball for Newcastle all season)

Sunderland

Craig Gordon 90 --> 89 (Lacks communication and command of his area, but will improve with a better defence)

Marton Fulop 83 --> 82 (Third-choice keeper, having not made an appearance all season)

Darren Ward 83 --> 84/85 (Has made 3 starts this season, making him second-choice keeper)

Danny Higginbotham 86 --> 86 (Played around half of Sunderland's games this season)

Ian Harte 85 --> 84 (Only featured 7 times all season, including 4 as a substitute)

Phil Bardsley 84 --> 85 (Played 9 games since joining the Black Cat's on loan)

Paul McShane 85 --> 85 (Only 3 appearances since Christmas mean no increase for McShane)

Nyron Nosworthy 85 --> 85 (He's played the majority of Sunderland's games, but is prone to making mistakes)

Jonny Evans 85 --> 86 (11 starts since joining on loan in January, and Evans looks promising)

Danny Collins 85 --> 86 (May just squeeze a small increase for playing the most games out of all of Sunderland's defenders)

Kieran Richardson 87 --> 87 (May have been in line for an increase had injury not marred his debut season)

Andy Reid 86 --> 86 (Looked tidy since his January move, scoring an important goal)

Ross Wallace 85 --> 84 (Featured only once since Christmas)

Carlos Edwards 85 --> 84 (Featured only 8 times all season)

Dickson Etuhu 85 --> 85 (Pretty solid, but hasn't played in a while)

Liam Miller 85 --> 85 (Hasn't played in a long while, and looks set to be leaving)

Dwight Yorke 85 --> 86 (Consistent throughout the season, playing the majority of the games)

Dean Whitehead 85 --> 86 (Committed midfielder, who's played more often than not and looked comfortable)

Grant Leadbitter 85 --> 86 (Tenacious home-grown player, who plays regularly)

Michael Chopra 85 --> 86 (Could just receive an increase for the importance of his limited goals)

David Connolly 84 --> 83 (3 appearances all season, he may as well have already left)

Anthony Stokes 84 --> 84 (Rotated striker with just 1 goal to his name)

Darryl Murphy 84 --> 85/86 (Determined and versatile attacker who scored an absolute beauty this season, while playing regular)

Roy O'Donovan 80 --> 83/84 (Squad player, yet to really make an impression but getting games)

Rade Prica 87 --> 86 (Hardly played since joining in January)

Kenwyne Jones 87 --> 88 (Strong, quick striker who can be, at times, unplayable)

Martyn Waghorn 70 --> 77/78 (Youngster with 3 appearances to his name)

Middlesbrough (I have tried to be unbiased :o)

Mark Schwarzer 89 --> 89 (His experience has saved us a few goals and points this season)

Brad Jones 83 --> 81 (Demoted to third choice keeper. Won't be at Boro much longer)

Ross Turnbull 80 --> 82 (Now Boro's second choice keeper, ahead of Jones, and making 2 starts this season)

Emanuel Pogatetz 86 --> 87 (First team regular, covering comfortably at centre-back whenever Huth is injured)

Andrew Taylor 86 --> 86 (Just back from injury, but playing regularly and confidently)

Sebastien Hines 74 --> 75 (Played in a couple of FA Cup games and looked quite comfortable)

Jonathon Grounds 72 --> 81/82 (Made around 5 or 6 appearances in the Boro first team recently)

Luke Young 88 --> 88 (Consistently solid full-back, with whispers of an England recall hanging around)

Anthony McMahon 82 --> 80 (Still trying to find his feet in the reserves after a bad leg break)

Robert Huth 86 --> 88 (Immense physical presence, 'the Berlin wall' doesn't always get the praise he deserves)

David Wheater 86 --> 88/89 (Future England centre-half, 'the Redcar rock' has made Woodgate's departure a positive thing)

Stewart Downing 89 --> 90 (Established England international, and Boro's main creative and goalscoring supply)

Gaizka Mendieta 83 --> 80 (Playing reserve football week-in, week-out. Will retire very soon)

Fabio Rochemback 87 --> 87 (Despite what pundits say, Rochemback is very average. Going to Sporting in summer - thank god!)

Gary O'Neil 87 --> 88 (O'Neil has played nearly every game and has good dribbling, passing and crossing skills)

Julio Arca 87 --> 87 (Before his injury, Arca was superb, but his form after that (until today) has been below par)

Lee Cattermole 86 --> 86 (Tenacious midfield battler who craves more games if he is to develop)

George Boateng 89 --> 87 (Boateng has been in good form, but tends to play less games and is definitely slowing)

Mohamed Shawki 84 --> 86 ('The new Boateng', Shawki has played quite a lot recently and looked very strong)

Adam Johnson 85 --> 85 (Given games, he WILL be better than Downing, but he isn't getting games unfortunately)

Graeme Owens 70 --> 72/73 (Currently on loan at League 2 Chesterfield, and playing regularly)

Tuncay Sanli 90 --> 90 (Boro's second top scorer, with the work rate of Wayne Rooney)

Martins Afonso Alves 90 --> 90 (Has just seemed to have adjusted, it would be a shame for him to decrease after today)

Jeremie Aliadiere 86 --> 87/88 (All he needed was games...Aliadiere is growing in confidence, and has bagged a few goals)

Ahmed Hossam Mido 87 --> 86 (Out for the rest of the season with injury, Mido hasn't fulfilled his £6m price tag)

Dong- Lee 85 --> 83 (Boro fans can't wait to see the back of him)

Malcolm Christie 81 --> 78 (Christie was released at the start of the season, and recently failed a trial with Nottingham Forest)

Tom Craddock 76 --> 76 (Playing regular in the reserves after a short stint in the first team)

Wigan Athletic

Chris Kirkland 88 --> 89 (Conceded the same amount as Schwarzer, so deserves same rating)

Mike Pollitt 83 --> 83 (Ageing second-choice keeper with only 1 game to his name this season)

Erik Edman 88 --> 88 (Looked composed and solid before his unfortunate injury)

Kevin Kilbane 87 --> 87 (Played nearly all of Wigan's games this season)

Mario Melchiot 88 --> 88 (Club captain has been reliable in his first season)

Erik Hagen 87 --> 86 (Beast of a Norwegian defender who has sadly made only 1 appearance thus far)

Emmerson Boyce 86 --> 86 (Useful, versatile player who's played a good chunk of the Latic's games this season)

Titus Bramble 86 --> 86 (Has grown in confidence but still too prone at making errors)

Maynor Figueroa 83 --> 83 (Yet to play for the club)

Saloman Olembe 84 --> 84 (Squad player with 8 appearances to his name)

Ryan Taylor 85 --> 86/87 (Tireless and skilled wing-back, with an eye for goal is deserving of an increase)

Michael Brown 86 --> 86 (Played a fair few games for Wigan, but is still far too reckless)

Josip Skoko 85 --> 85 (Like Olembe, Skoko is a squad player with just an extra couple of games under his belt)

Wilson Palacios 83 --> 86 (Enthusiastic, tough-tackling Honduran who has impressed and played regularly)

Paul Scharner 87 --> 88 (Hard-working utility man, who is very good in the air, and is probably best outfield player)

Jason Koumas 87 --> 87 (Failed, once again, to fulfill his potential at highest level, but has played a lot of games)

Antonio Valencia 87 --> 87 (Tricky winger who just needs to work on the final ball in order to improve his rating)

Antoine Sibierski 87 --> 87 (Rotated attacking midfielder who seems to have lost his way sine his prolific start to the season)

Rachid Bouaouzan 84 --> 84 (Yet to play for Wigan)

David Cotterill 83 --> 83 (Welsh youngster most probably out on loan somewhere)

Emile Heskey 88 --> 87 (Has failed to continue with his excellent early season form)

Marcus Bent 87 --> 87 (Like Heskey, Bent seems to have lost form since Christmas and can't buy a goal, despite playing)

Marlon King 86 --> 85 (One goal - a penalty - in 9 games is simply not good enough)

Julius Aghahowa 85 --> 85 (Featured 14 times this season, although only 2 were starts)

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Michael Owen 91 --> 91 (You can't decrease a player who's scored 3 goals in 3 games' date=' but he's lucky)

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Da*mn right you can't !!!

I mean come on , this guy was rated 93 just little over a month, or so, ago ! That's right ! higher than 92 rated Luis Fabiano , Aguero , Huntelaar ( all of this guys barely got an increase to 92 a few time ago, they ain't got nothing on Owen ).

Just look at Owen last 3 seasons ( as we all know that SM takes into consideration the last "real life" 2 seasons of the player :

2005-2006 : 7 Goals, 11 Games for Newcastle UTD

2006-2007: 0 Goals, 3 Games for Newcastle UTD

2007-2008: 8 Goals, 24 Games for Newcastle UTD

BUT wait , this season he has 2 caps for England ! Ohh man !!! Are you sure he will not increase ?!?

And all of you "English players are over-rated" guys , you are evil talking, jealous, short-sighted , dumb persons !!!

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Marton Fulop 83 --> 82 (Third-choice keeper, having not made an appearance all season)

On loan at Leicester for half of the season.. and was probably the best goalkeeper in the championship, hes now sunderlands 2nd choice keeper.. rise by 1 wouldnt hurt!

On a personal note I think hes better than craig gordon

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Good post! Rep 4 u!

Disagree with a few though!

Hargreaves though a good player does not play enough and atm SAF semms to prefer Carrick over him and Carrick should increase. Has been playing very well recently imo.

Fabregas is ok at 95. Not very consistent imo and Flamini to 93.

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Excellent thread. Some ratings of particular players are strongly open to debate and have been discussed for a while now on the forum, as usual, everyone has their own views. I personally disagree with 1 or 2 of these but i dont think ive ever seen a rating changes thread where ive thought every prediction was 100% on the money. There will be some tough decisions for SM this time round as always and as usual there will be those who believe SM have made mistakes with certain players. Once again, great thread Millzy. You have rep from me.

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Adel Taarabt 82 --> 82 (No futher first team action since his 6 substitute appearances at the start of the season)

:confused:

He made 4 appearances last year and 2 this year.Taarabt played 31 mins in Tottenham 2-0 loss to Chelsea (12.01.08) and another 31 mins in Tottenham 4-1 loss to Newcastle (30.03.08).

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Reading

Marcus Hahnemann 88 --> 87 (Conceded 61 goals this season, nearly 2 goals per game)

Adam Federici 77 --> 77 (No games for the second-choice keeper this season)

Nicky Shorey 88 --> 88 (Just about maintains his rating after nicking in with a few goals this season)

Graeme Murty 86 --> 86 (Quite solid, but hasn't played for a couple of months)

Liam Rosenior 86 --> 87 (Has been quite consistent since replacing Murty at right-back)

Ulises De La Cruz 84 --> 84 (Rarely features for the Royals)

Ivar Ingimarsson 87 --> 87 (Solid recent form saves him from decrease)

Ibrahima Sonko 86 --> 85 (Hasn't appeared often since the turn of the year)

Andre Bikey 85 --> 86/87 (Strong, brave centre-half who plays regularly and can nick a goal now and again)

Kalifa Cisse 85 --> 86 (Featured in most of Reading's games since Christmas)

Michael Duberry 84 --> 84 (Hasn't played since before the last ratings)

Bobby Convey 85 --> 85 (Only just returned from injury)

Glen Little 85 --> 84 (Hasn't played at all this season)

James Harper 87 --> 88 (Reading's engine room, and chips in with a goal now and again)

Brynjar Gunnarsson 86 --> 85 (Only 1 game since Christmas)

Marek Matejovsky 86 --> 86 (Rotated squad player, featured enough to maintain his rating)

Emerse Fae 86 --> 85 (Only 7 appearances over the whole season)

Jimmy Kebe 83 --> 83 (Not enough game time to warrant an increase)

Stephen Hunt 88 --> 88 (All of Reading's attacks have something to do with Hunt)

John Oster 84 --> 85 (Made 10 appearaces since the turn of the year)

Shane Long 85 --> 86 (Continues to play more games and causes defences problems)

Kevin Doyle 89 --> 88 (Only 5 goals over the whole season isn't a good enough return for a player of his rating)

Dave Kitson 87 --> 88 (9 goals this season mean Kitson is Reading's top scorer)

Birmingham City

Maik Taylor 86 --> 86 (Plays most of the Blues' games, with an average record in terms of goals conceded)

Richard Kingson 84 --> 83 (Played only once before picking up an injury)

Colin Doyle 84 --> 84 (Birmingham's second-choice keeper, making 3 appearances)

David Murphy 86 --> 86 (Looked comfortable since joining in January, starting most games)

Franck Queudrue 86 --> 86 (A few recent performances mean he maintains his rating)

Stephen Kelly 86 --> 87 (Ever-present for Birmingham, and supports the winger really well)

Rafael Schmitz 88 --> 86/87 (Only 3 games since Christmas)

Liam Ridgewell 86 --> 87 (Showed maturity and good leadership in recent matches)

Radhi Jaidi 85 --> 86 (Has played most games in the last couple of months)

Olivier Tebily 82 --> 82 (Hasn't played for Birmingham all season)

Sebastian Larsson 85 --> 86/87 (Creative and skillful winger, who produces and scores goals)

Daniel De Ridder 84 --> 84 (Has been out with injury for a long while)

Damien Johnson 86 --> 86 (Tenacious, hard-working midfielder playing regularly)

Fabrice Muamba 85 --> 86 (Plays pretty much every game for the Blues)

Mehdi Nafti 86 --> 85 (Only 4 games since Steve Bruce's departure)

Olivier Kapo 88 --> 86/87 (Hasn't featured for a couple of months, and hasn't been very effective)

Gary McSheffrey 86 --> 86 (Plays fairly regular, but doesn't set the world alight)

Sone Aluko 80 --> 82/83 (Should make a good increase after a successful loan spell at Aberdeen)

James McFadden 88 --> 88 (A good run of form, with 4 goals in 8 appearances, mean he maintains his rating)

Mauro Zarate 88 --> 88 (Like McFadden, Zarate looks very promising and is just finding his feet)

Cameron Jerome 86 --> 86 (Like McSheffrey, regular feature in team but isn't very effective)

Garry O'Connor 87 --> 86 (Bit-part squad player, who only really makes cameo appearances)

Mikael Forssell 85 --> 86/87 (Has shown he can cut it in Premier League, but needs more consistency)

Bolton Wanderers

Jussi Jaaskelainen 92 --> 90/91 (Injured for quite a while, and rating doesn't justify the amount of goals he conceded)

Ali Al Habsi 80 --> 83/84 (Filled in well for Jaaskelainen, and was good in UEFA Cup)

Ricardo Gardner 87 --> 87 (Regular feature of starting 11, but nothing special)

Jlloyd Samuel 85 --> 85 (Acts as cover for first team, recently had a couple of games)

Gretar Rafn Steinsson 88 --> 87 (Although playing regular, he's not as solid as first thought)

Nicky Hunt 86 --> 85 (Only 2 games since Christmas)

Joey O'Brien 85 --> 86 (Started most games since turn of year)

Abdoulaye Meite 88 --> 86/87 (Only 2 games this calendar year)

Andy O'Brien 86 --> 86 (First-team regular, but not solid)

Gary Cahill 85 --> 86 (Started most games since signing in January, looking solid)

Matt Taylor 87 --> 87 (A few recent games and important goals mean he maintains his rating)

Quinton Fortune 85 --> 83 (Doesn't play for Bolton anymore, and is without a club)

Stelios Giannakopoulos 86 --> 86 (Most of his substitute appearances have come since last rating changes)

Kevin Nolan 89 --> 88 (Remains to be the Trotters' best creative force, but hasn't been very effective this season)

Gavin McCann 87 --> 86 (Only 6 starts since turn of the year)

Olano Mikel Alonso 85 --> 84 (Hasn't played since September, not a patch on his brother)

Blerim Dzemaili 85 --> 84 (Not played a game for Wanderers this season)

Danny Guthrie 85 --> 86/87 (Versatile and talented left-sided player, and a regular starter)

Andranik Teymourian 85 --> 84 (Only 1 game since Christmas, and 3 all season)

Ramos Ivan Campo 88 --> 87 (Still plays regular, but not effective enough to justify his rating)

Tamir Cohen 83 --> 85 (Featured 9 times since signing in January)

Daniel Braaten 85 --> 84 (Hasn't played since October)

El Hadji Diouf 90 --> 88 (Very disappointing, only 3 goals this season and nothing without Anelka)

Kevin Davies 88 --> 87 (Still a regular starter, but only 2 goals all season)

Heider Helguson 85 --> 85 (A few recent games save him from a rating decrease)

Ricardo Vaz Te 85 --> 85 (I haven't seen him play this year, so I'm not sure if he's been loaned out or not)

Matt Jansen 82 --> 80 (Has been without a club all season)

Grzegorz Rasiak 85 --> 84 (Makes the odd sub appearance, but has no impact)

Fulham

Antti Niemi 88 --> 87 (Poor goal conceding record, and hasn't played for a month due to injury)

Kasey Keller 86 --> 86 (Played a few games more recently, has covered reasonably well)

Tony Warner 84 --> 83 (No game since September, after making a few mistakes)

Paul Konchesky 87 --> 87 (Played most of Fulham's games this season, and is quite reliable)

Moritz Volz 86 --> 85 (Only 9 appearances all season, despite a few recent games)

Chris Baird 85 --> 85 (Hasn't played in about 2 months, but was a regular beforehand)

Paul Stalteri 85 --> 85 (Played regularly since joining from Tottenham in January, but he makes a few errors)

Elliot Omozusi 80 --> 82 (A couple more starts since Christmas)

Brede Hangeland 88 --> 86/87 (Despite playing regularly, he looks very unsteady and makes too many errors)

Aaron Hughes 87 --> 87 (Regular first team player)

Dejan Stefanovic 86 --> 85 (Hasn't played under Roy Hodgson)

Carlos Bocanegra 86 --> 86 (Hasn't played in a while due to injury, but generally a regular)

Toni Kallio 84 --> 82/83 (Not made an appearance since signing in January)

Ian Pearce 84 --> 83 (1 sub appearance all season)

Philippe Christanval 83 --> 82 (Like Pearce, only 1 sub appearance all season)

Lee Cook 84 --> 84 (Playing regularly out on loan at Charlton Athletic)

Simon Davies 87 --> 87 (Pretty much ever-present, supplies some good chances and has chipped in with 5 goals)

Danny Murphy 87 --> 86 (Plays fairly regular, but has no real impact on games)

Aleksei Smertin 87 --> 86 (Provides cover for first-team, but has recently played a couple of games)

Jimmy Bullard 85 --> 87 (Fulham are only still in the fight for survival because of Bullard's form)

Leon Andreasen 88 --> 86/87 (Played in most games under Hodgson, but doesn't warrant such a high rating)

Jari Litmanen 82 --> 80 (Still hasn't played for Fulham after his bizarre transfer in January)

Clint Dempsey 87 --> 87 (Fulham's top scorer with 6, and a regular starter)

Ki-Hyeon Seol 86 --> 85 (Only 4 starts all season)

Hameur Bouzza 86 --> 85 (Only 3 appearances since last rating changes)

Diomansy Kamara 86 --> 86 (A recent run in the first team maintains his rating)

David Healy 86 --> 86 (Only a few games under Hodgson, but showed his class against Sunderland)

Brian McBride 87 --> 86 (Injury spolied his season, and he hasn't looked the same after his return)

Erik Nevland 87 --> 86 (Only 3 appearances since signing in January)

Eddie Johnson 86 --> 86 (With only 6 appearances, he hasn't been given chance to adapt)

Derby County

Roy Carroll 85 --> 85 (Since signing, their have been occassions where he's stopped defeats becoming embarrassing)

Lewis Price 82 --> 83 (Made 6 appearances since last rating changes)

Jay McEveley 85 --> 84 (Regular starter, but not Premier League class)

Tyrone Mears 84 --> 84 (Like McEvely, Mears plays most games but is relatively ineffective)

Marc Edworthy 82 --> 83 (7 out of his 8 league appearances since Christmas)

Danny Mills 82 --> 82 (Injury scuppered his return to top flight football)

Alan Stubbs 87 --> 85 (Hasn't managed to solidify the Rams' defence since joining in January)

Dean Leacock 85 --> 84 (You can see why Fulham released him)

Andy Todd 85 --> 83 (Ageing defender should have provided experience, but just made things worse)

Darren Moore 84 --> 84 (Regular starter, but is slowing and was never at Premier League standard)

Claude Davis 84 --> 83 (Hasn't played under Jewell, Championship is his level)

Laurent Robert 86 --> 84 (Hasn't played once for the strugglers)

Stephen Pearson 85 --> 84 (Currently on loan at Stoke City to get used to Championship football again)

Eddie Lewis 84 --> 84 (Plays regularly, but has no impact on games)

Hossam Ghaly 86 --> 85 (Doesn't always start, and when he does he had little effect)

David Jones 84 --> 84 (Played regularly since Jewell took charge and looked fairly comfortable)

Robbie Savage 87 --> 85 (Rams' captain and regular, but has been completely off form since joining)

Benny Feilhaber 83 --> 83 (Makes the odd cameo substitute appearance)

Robert Malcolm 81 --> 81 (Currently on loan at Motherwell, after getting into trouble with police in England)

Giles Barnes 86 --> 85 (Good prospect, but had no chance to shine due to quality of teammates)

Craig Fagan 84 --> 84 (Is on loan at title-challenging Hull, with a view to a permanent deal)

Kenny Miller 87 --> 85 (Has been poor, no thanks to teammates. Will return to Scotland)

Mile Sterjovski 87 --> 84/85 (Struggled to make any kind of impact since joining in January)

Rob Earnshaw 84 --> 84 (Hasn't cut it at top-flight standard)

Emanuel Villa 87 --> 86 (Has scored 3 goals in 11 appearances, but rating is too high for Championship)

Phew! Finally finished! There are going to be many changes that people don't agree with, as everyone's opinion is different, but I'm happen for this thread to become an open debate about some of the rating changes suggested. Please feel free to comment and voice your opinions, I love a good debate!

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Obviously this is first class and I'll give out only my second ever rep! And no one is going to agree with him on every single player but you obviously know what your talking about and I'd say I'd agree with most. I don't see the point of picking out players and telling you where you have gone wrong. It's obviousyl taken a lot of time and really good work. At times with Boro you have tried to be so unbiased you have dropped them a little too far down. Thats a good thing though ;) Great.

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don't you think that lescott deserves at least 91?:)

Although both Lescott and Everton have been very good this year' date=' I think it would be wrong to give Lescott a 91 when you compare him to Yobo and Jagielka, both of whom have been superb this season too. So it would be harsh to rate Lescott 2 points above them two.

Also, Lescott's England career has appeared to falter since Capello's arrival. I think 90 is about right.

Marton Fulop 83 --> 82 (Third-choice keeper, having not made an appearance all season)

On loan at Leicester for half of the season.. and was probably the best goalkeeper in the championship, hes now sunderlands 2nd choice keeper.. rise by 1 wouldnt hurt!

On a personal note I think hes better than craig gordon

I do remember the loan now! I was wondering where I'd seen the name. However, Ward (3 appearances) has played more games than Fulop (1 appearance), so therefore is technically second-choice according to stats, unless you've personally been told by Roy Keane! For his performances at Leicester, I'll amend the rating for him to stay at 83, but +1 is generous for 1 Premier League appearance.

Also, I think the comment about Gordon is a bit harsh! He hasn't justified his price tag, but has made many top saves throughout the season, and probably kept Sunderland out of a real relegation scrap.

Good post! Rep 4 u!

Disagree with a few though!

Hargreaves though a good player does not play enough and atm SAF semms to prefer Carrick over him and Carrick should increase. Has been playing very well recently imo.

Fabregas is ok at 95. Not very consistent imo and Flamini to 93.

I considered the Carrick/Hargreaves thing for quite some time' date=' and although Carrick has tended to play more often recently, I feel that Man United look a lot more assured when Hargreaves is breaking up play in front of the defence than when Carrick is spraying balls around. I just judged that on quality of performance rather than amount - IMO, but it's definitely something open to debate.

I really think Fabregas has to match Essien. Although they're different types of midfielders, they're both as effective as each other, and both deserve to be 96 IMO. Flamini does deserve a 93, but never have I seen SM put a 90-rated player's rating up by 3 in one go! It wouldn't be a great surprise if they made an exception to this rule though.

err bale was injured, so he should probably not drop.

surprised robinson got dropped again thou...not because he's any good, but because cerny is even worse...

I thought Bale might've been injured, but wasn't totally sure. However, he's been out for a long time, and if Agger can get decreased when injured, then so can Bale. I've no doubts that he'll be a top player in future though, so one rating setback won't effect him.

I think Robinson's rating will be decreased as they've conceded an abysmal 56 goals this season - the same as Fulham. Cerny is nothing special as he's a reserve keeper, but he has played games so he'll get a rating increase.

:confused:

He made 4 appearances last year and 2 this year.Taarabt played 31 mins in Tottenham 2-0 loss to Chelsea (12.01.08) and another 31 mins in Tottenham 4-1 loss to Newcastle (30.03.08).

The stats engine I've used to judge the rating changes can at times be a bit dodgy and unreliable - but it's free and useful! I've amended my note about Taarabt in the actual rating change post, but I still don't think 6 sub appearances will give him an increase.

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A few cases with Fulham where not playing doesn't necessarily make them a bad player, and some others where simply playing for Fulham doesn't make them a bad player:

Fulham

Brede Hangeland 88 --> 86/87 (Despite playing regularly, he looks very unsteady and makes too many errors)

A bit unfair. He's had several MOTM performances, and really only one bad game. He's potentially 90+ IMO, but at least deserves to stay at 88 for now. He didn't magically transform into a worse player the second he transferred.

Dejan Stefanovic 86 --> 85 (Hasn't played under Roy Hodgson)

He was signed as a backup (was 87 then) and he's a backup now. I think 86 is fine, he's almost exactly the same player as Bocanegra, who is also rated 86.

Toni Kallio 84 --> 82/83 (Not made an appearance since signing in January)

Another player signed as a backup, wasn't really expected to play...it's not like 84 is that high to begin with, especially for an international regular.

Danny Murphy 87 --> 86 (Plays fairly regular, but has no real impact on games)

Personally, I think he's quite underrated, but most Fulham fans would agree with you.

Aleksei Smertin 87 --> 86 (Provides cover for first-team, but has recently played a couple of games)

Tough one, great player when fit but his age is really catching up to him. A drop is probably fair.

Jimmy Bullard 85 --> 87 (Fulham are only still in the fight for survival because of Bullard's form)

I'd almost bump him up to an 88. I believe that's where he was before his injury, and he's playing just as well (if not better) now.

Leon Andreasen 88 --> 86/87 (Played in most games under Hodgson, but doesn't warrant such a high rating)

His impact defensively has been huge...if Fulham had him all season, they wouldn't be in the trouble they're in now. It's hard to drop his rating since he's actually played well...but I'm surprised he was an 88 when he was signed.

Ki-Hyeon Seol 86 --> 85 (Only 4 starts all season)

80 at best, and I'm completely serious. Worst player on the team.

Hameur Bouzza 86 --> 85 (Only 3 appearances since last rating changes)

He went home to Algeria for awhile due to a family emergency, but has been playing since he returned to the team.

Erik Nevland 87 --> 86 (Only 3 appearances since signing in January)

Nevland was signed as an insurance policy should McBride suffer any setbacks. He had a good scoring record for Groningen before he was signed, which should also be taken into consideration - he probably would have received an increase had he not transferred away.

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A few cases with Fulham where not playing doesn't necessarily make them a bad player' date=' and some others where simply playing for Fulham doesn't make them a bad player:

[b']Fulham[/b]

Brede Hangeland 88 --> 86/87 (Despite playing regularly, he looks very unsteady and makes too many errors)

A bit unfair. He's had several MOTM performances, and really only one bad game. He's potentially 90+ IMO, but at least deserves to stay at 88 for now. He didn't magically transform into a worse player the second he transferred.

Dejan Stefanovic 86 --> 85 (Hasn't played under Roy Hodgson)

He was signed as a backup (was 87 then) and he's a backup now. I think 86 is fine, he's almost exactly the same player as Bocanegra, who is also rated 86.

Toni Kallio 84 --> 82/83 (Not made an appearance since signing in January)

Another player signed as a backup, wasn't really expected to play...it's not like 84 is that high to begin with, especially for an international regular.

Danny Murphy 87 --> 86 (Plays fairly regular, but has no real impact on games)

Personally, I think he's quite underrated, but most Fulham fans would agree with you.

Aleksei Smertin 87 --> 86 (Provides cover for first-team, but has recently played a couple of games)

Tough one, great player when fit but his age is really catching up to him. A drop is probably fair.

Jimmy Bullard 85 --> 87 (Fulham are only still in the fight for survival because of Bullard's form)

I'd almost bump him up to an 88. I believe that's where he was before his injury, and he's playing just as well (if not better) now.

Leon Andreasen 88 --> 86/87 (Played in most games under Hodgson, but doesn't warrant such a high rating)

His impact defensively has been huge...if Fulham had him all season, they wouldn't be in the trouble they're in now. It's hard to drop his rating since he's actually played well...but I'm surprised he was an 88 when he was signed.

Ki-Hyeon Seol 86 --> 85 (Only 4 starts all season)

80 at best, and I'm completely serious. Worst player on the team.

Hameur Bouzza 86 --> 85 (Only 3 appearances since last rating changes)

He went home to Algeria for awhile due to a family emergency, but has been playing since he returned to the team.

Erik Nevland 87 --> 86 (Only 3 appearances since signing in January)

Nevland was signed as an insurance policy should McBride suffer any setbacks. He had a good scoring record for Groningen before he was signed, which should also be taken into consideration - he probably would have received an increase had he not transferred away.

I agree with all of this apart from the Murphy bit as think he's been fairly useless all season. The other rating decrease I don't agree with from the original post is for Litmanen. He may not have played for Fulham but is still playing (and scoring) for Finland.

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About Reading, yes Hahnemann has conceded 61 goals but is he to blame for making 61 mistakes? You can't say he is a bad goalkeeper because of that, as he has been one of their best players this year with Harper and Kitson.

If he is going down, then why do the defenders Bikey and Cisse go up?

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Re: Millzy's English Premier League Rating Changes

Brede Hangeland 88 --> 86/87 (Despite playing regularly' date=' he looks very unsteady and makes too many errors)[/color']

A bit unfair. He's had several MOTM performances, and really only one bad game. He's potentially 90+ IMO, but at least deserves to stay at 88 for now. He didn't magically transform into a worse player the second he transferred.

Cant agree with you more mate. Hes been great when ive seen him. I wouldn't like to see him fall. Roy Hodgeson has already tipped him to be captain of Fulham.

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Re: Millzy's English Premier League Rating Changes

Oh but Gary Cahill only up to 86? Very much doubt that he'll be rising at least 2 or 3.

And Roy Carroll not bound to increase?

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