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SvenskaFans? :P

Yup.

I think they need to get some quality players before even thinking about making it to Europe. :rolleyes: It's not like "let's get to CL' date=' and then we'll have loads of money to buy us a good striker", you need to get the striker first and then to CL. To be honest, I expect Lens to have another relegation battle this season.[/quote']

I was more saying that I believe a Europa League place isn't that far out of reach. I still believe we have a stronger squad than atleast teams like Nancy and Lorient and some others that are perhaps on the same level as us. I agree that our strikers aren't the best, but the midfield and defence is pretty solid in my opinion. We only need a natural goal-scorer, really. If we compare this Lens squad to the Nancy squad of 07/08, who finished supringsly on 4th place, there aren't to much differences. They didn't exactly have a goal-poacher, and neither have Lens as of now, they had a strong midfield/defence, and so do we, so there aren't much differences. And with the right tactic, we could go all they way to a Europa League place. We have routine on the bench with Jacques Santini, who coached France in Euro 2004. This Lens team might not be the strongest Lens team, but I would certainly not say that they are relegation candinates.

Anyway' date=' in your youth you have some interesting names, and one particularly interesting who could solve your scoring problems - perhaps not this season, but starting from the next season maybe, who knows?[/quote']

David Pollet?

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I was more saying that I believe a Europa League place isn't that far out of reach. I still believe we have a stronger squad than atleast teams like Nancy and Lorient and some others that are perhaps on the same level as us. I agree that our strikers aren't the best' date=' but the midfield and defence is pretty solid in my opinion. We only need a natural goal-scorer, really. If we compare this Lens squad to the Nancy squad of 07/08, who finished supringsly on 4th place, there aren't to much differences. They didn't exactly have a goal-poacher, and neither have Lens as of now, they had a strong midfield/defence, and so do we, so there aren't much differences. And with the right tactic, we could go all they way to a Europa League place. We have routine on the bench with Jacques Santini, who coached France in Euro 2004. This Lens team might not be the strongest Lens team, but I would certainly not say that they are relegation candinates.

David Pollet?[/quote']

No, someone more interesting. Good to see that I know him before you do. B)

Anyway, I think you might be more than slightly biased when comparing Lens to Nancy and Lorient. Lorient might have a young squad, that's right, but way more talented than Lens has, and Nancy has an experienced squad with players better than Lens. Let's make the comparison.

Nancy 07/08 had a good solid midfield, with talent from Chretien particularly, and other playmaking midfielder in Gavanon. Berenguer (plays practically any place on field, striker and GK excluded, and quite well too) and Biancalani, back up in Brison, and a scoring midfield/forward in Hadji, and Malonga a back up (another one useful to any mid table club). They had Silva Andre Luiz, Macaluso, Sauget and particularly Puygrenier (Lens of the moment has no stars of that calibre) in defence, Gregorini on goal (not super, but quite reliable nevertheless), and Kim, Dia and Fortune (then in rather good form) in attack. Not a huge squad, but out of these players one can see particularly Puygrenier, Chretien, Dia (then very young though) and Hadji playing in a title contester club, and likes of Gregorini, Berenguer, Luiz, Brison, Macaluso and Gavanon are very reliable for a top half club.

Nancy today has still basically the same core, only having lot Sauget, Puygrenier, Fortune, Dia and Kim. Of these, only Dia and Puygrenier are really missed, since the replacements are very good: Sami, Loties in defence, Lemaitre and N'Diaye as DM's, Feret as an attacking midfielder (mighty efficient though very rarely reckoned), Cuvilier another one (very good player), Alo'o (stands in comparison to both Kim and Fortune) and Vahirua in attack (takes practically Dia's role, and is perhaps better atm), and I haven't even mentioned Bakar who can again be surprisingly good (seems talented). A way more classy players than back 07/08 and it was already good back then.

Oh, Lorient, full of young talents: Gameiro in attack!!! Ecule Manga, Baca, Bourillon and Morel in defence, what can prove to be an excellent defence despite of losses of Marchal and Koscielny. And then, they've got experience in Le Lan and Audard (one of the best keepers last seasons). On midfield, there's Diarra, great wing forward. Offensively very skilled Amalfitano, one of the unsung heroes of the club and best players as well, classy youngsters Autret and Coquelin looking for a break through, Mvuemba and Romao as a reliable CM pair and Jouffre and Monterrubio as experienced and skilled wingers, and Dubarbier to play in attack with Gameiro or as replacement. Very exciting team!!!

Then Lens... The best you've got must be Runje, but he is very injury prone and old and might be replaced by that Tunisian, who might turn to be good anyway, but I wouldn't say that he surely is better than Audard. At least, compared to Audard and Gregorini, he lacks top level routine. In defence Demont is excellent, but likes of Sartre, Yahia and Chelle are bit of left overs from other clubs, players that teams fighting a relegation battle are likely to sign. In fat, you signed Yahia when you were relegated, as well as Sartre, from another Ligue 2 club. They never came from higher playing clubs (compare to Bourillon, a former future of France, Morel, wanted by bigger clubs, likely to move on, Chretien, etc.), and they are on move to the worse direction. Ramos isn't exactly impressive either. On midfield your best must be dead ball specialist DM Hermach and a fine attacking midfielder Roudet. The latter I actually like a lot, a good technical player, a sort of you can see a smaller team that wants to make it to Europe signing. But that's all, then there's Doumeng, a used to be sort of promise, who hardly has played last seasons, Kovacevic, a lower mid table club player, even a Ligue 2 player actually, Sow, who's quite fine. You've got some interesting youngsters here though, namely Joseph-Monrose, Boukari and Aurier. In attack, be honest, Jemaa is old, Maoulida never been really impressive, though fine for a lesser Ligue 1 club, but not a player with whom you fight for places in Europe, Pollet, who can be good, but who's merits are from National, never tested even in Ligue 2 (and this is the level of your purchases!), and finally MOnnet-Paquet, a fine lower half player, but let's face it, he isn't a le tallec what it comes to technique and his goal scoring hasn't been awesome either.

In my opinion your situation seems miserable. Lens just lacks the level. Team is more comparable to likes of Brest (keeper more proven maybe, a scorer in Roux, Grougi a dead ball specialist, all-round a reliable but not top level, rather cheap squad) and ACA (this however is by far the poorest squad in Ligue 1). Or Le Mans, Boulogne and Grenoble that got relegated last season. Acknowledging how many clubs there are that actually are fighting for those European spots with very fine squads, Lens can't seriously put its objectives there (though I understand that you hope they could), but to remain in Ligue 1, which will be a big enough job.

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Juve wants Bastos. They're preparing to pay €22M or to offload their garbage to Lyon in exchange (Sissoko and Iaquinta, former being pap, latter old). Yeah right, as if Aulas would even consider such an offer. He paid €18M for Bastos just one year ago, I recall, so if Juve really wants him, they should prepare to pay real money.

Other news, it seems like Mexes might be captaining France tonight. Les Bleuets have a chance to get back to top position in their qualification group by beating Belgium, but 5 players are away, 3 for being called to A-team. What is bad is that 3 of these players, Capoue, Sissoko and M'Vila play the same position. Well, we still have Gonalons and NGoyi. Lots of excellent young DMs in France.

PSG is approaching Biseva, who should be their choice after all (Gallas being overpriced by himself). But they need to get ride of some old players like Rothen, Kezman and Sankharé first.

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Juve wants Bastos. They're preparing to pay €22M or to offload their garbage to Lyon in exchange (Sissoko and Iaquinta' date=' former being pap, latter old). Yeah right, as if Aulas would even consider such an offer. He paid €18M for Bastos just one year ago, I recall, so if Juve really wants him, they should prepare to pay real money.[/quote']

He won't go, I reckon. He has said that he is happy at OL and would like to stay.

Btw, instead of giving Sissoko and Iaquinta. Give Lyon Tiago :D

PSG is approaching Biseva' date=' who should be their choice after all (Gallas being overpriced by himself). But they need to get ride of some old players like Rothen, Kezman and Sankharé first.[/quote']

Great defender and he used to play for Lens btw before Valenciennes raided us. Anyway, this deal is likely as PSG' most worrying position at the moment is the central defence. Sakho is good enough, but Camara and Traore isn't impressing and they simply aren't good enough to what PSG are aiming for. Bisevac, on the other hand, is an outstanding defender, and to me, it was only a matter before he would move to a bigger league/bigger club within the same league. I also agree that they should get rid of those players you mentioned. Not to the mention that Kezman earns 250.000€ per month :eek: And Rothen surely has a high paid contract aswell and Sankharé, well he is simply rubbish.

PS. Will get back to your interesting post regarding Lens later today.

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I also agree that they should get rid of those players you mentioned. Not to the mention that Kezman earns 250.000€ per month :eek: And Rothen surely has a high paid contract aswell and Sankharé' date=' well he is simply rubbish.[/quote']

Many in PSG agree with this, I think it's official that they're getting rid of these players, giving them up for free if someone wants. They have had an idiotic politic of giving huge salaries to players who have already flopped elsewhere and are coming close to end their careers. At least they should pay them less, if they try to do it with them. Of course, they signed Rothen when he was doing really well, and he was excellent for them first, but Kezman, for example, was already a "has been".

Now that we talk about this, the Greeks, who seem to have an interesting economic crisis, are making bids for Rothen. I can imagine Kombouaré praying that they'll indeed sign the guy. Problem is, are they willing to pay the same to him really?

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How are Yohan Cabayeand Rio Mavubadoing for their respective clubs? Any changes in rating expected? :confused:

They're doing just fine. Cabaye should have rosen last time in my opinion, but he has a big chance of rising this time around if only he and Lille plays as they should. Mavuba is safe at 90 - He won't drop nor rise.

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How are Yohan Cabayeand Rio Mavubadoing for their respective clubs? Any changes in rating expected? :confused:
They play for same club, btw. Doing very well, Cabaye didn't play the first match do to suspension, I reckon, but should play tonight for France, unlike Mavuba, quite disappointed for not being selected. Mavuba is little noticed today, but used to be one of our brightest promises, when playing for Bordeaux. Still an excellent player, not as explosive as Cabaye, who's OL or OM style of player, guy who makes the show. Though one can say that today it's the LOSC style to make the spectacular show, with Cabaye, Hazard, Gervinho and others making awesome game night after night. Always, where there's Cabaye, something awesome happens. It may be a killer red card tackle in half a minute on field or it may be an awesome long shot, but something will happen. He is pure explosive, amazing how much power there's in that small frame.
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They play for same club' date=' btw. Doing very well, Cabaye didn't play the first match do to suspension, I reckon, but should play tonight for France, unlike Mavuba, quite disappointed for not being selected. Mavuba is little noticed today, but used to be one of our brightest promises, when playing for Bordeaux. Still an excellent player, not as explosive as Cabaye, who's OL or OM style of player, guy who makes the show. Though one can say that today it's the LOSC style to make the spectacular show, with Cabaye, Hazard, Gervinho and others making awesome game night after night. Always, where there's Cabaye, something awesome happens. It may be a killer red card tackle in half a minute on field or it may be an awesome long shot, but something will happen. He is pure explosive, amazing how much power there's in that small frame.[/quote']

So is Cabaye the better buy than Mavuba right now?:P

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First half, I liked: Nasri. Some of Cissokho's runs, but no one in defence really assured me. To oshaky, too much mistakes. Defensive midfields, Sissoko and M'Vila were in fact bad. We were close to concede some penalties due to late and aggressive, absolutely unnecessary tackling (Cissokho and Mexes). Fanni and Cissokho both were disappointing in own end and not actually able to produce much in attack. Overall performance can be described with one word: uncontrolled. It's easy to poke the ball forward and hope that something will happen, but it's the sign of mastering the game to build controlled attacks, like Spain did this last World Cup - not needing many chances each game, because they simply had all the time a controlled attack. I'd prefer a slightly more defensive game and slower attacking with control and good passes to this hustle.

Second half, I've liked so far: Menez, Nasri & Hat'em!!! Awesome. Hoarau really lost his man in what was rather easy ball, and Ruffier seemed to make some work to let that shot in, was an easy goal, from what was not even a real chance and wasn't well played by the Norvegians.

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Norway take the lead. 2-1 (Ben Arfa scoring for France). The defense has been looking loose all throughout the game, and there needs to be more punch in the final third. The midfield play has been great, thanks mainly to Nasri, but no one's had a good shot apart from Ben Arfa. Menez has looked threatening, though.

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Awful goal. M'Vila and Diarra lost the ball with disastrous passing, Mexes-Rami were again, as whole match, badly placed relatively to each other and the DM's, leaving too much room in the middle, and Rami finally totally outplayed himself without the Norvegian needing to even try. That was a gift goal, a second gift goal. But to be honest, Ben Arfa's goal was sort of gift too, very loose playing from Norway's defence to give him so much space. I suppose that Blanc will fix this positional play in time. Jacquet's team was all aout the distance between the players and Blanc knows that aspect better than anybody (except perhaps for Deschamps). I'm sure that within few training sessions this will be fixed. He must look at the individuals. Promising is, that there has been great individuals, Menez and Nasri particularly. Less promisin is that they're not defenders. Out of defenders I would surely dump Rami and Fanni after this match. Rami is young and can be still tried later, say next year, Fanni should be forgotten. Also M'Vila and Sissoko should go back to U21 and try again when they're bit older. We have very good defensive midfielders, so no need to rely on these two now.

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Why was that goal disallowed? I totally missed the reason. Not much protesting, so maybe there was a good reason, but I expected ref to accept it.

Good attacking game in second half. Calmer opening and creation of attacks, daring to make few more passes in midfield to make some real attacks. Ben Arfa and Menez dare to challenge the defenders and do it very well too. Lots of nice tricks but no efficiency sadly. Anyway, the tricks already, the fact that we produce true threat in opponents end, is promising. And everybody must love to watch Menez and Ben Arfa. Mexes supports well but he is still bit hazardous in defence. I think he should be given time to stabilize his game in l'EDF.

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Do you mean Erik Huskelepp? he still plays in Norway I believe and I'm suprised a European team hasn't come in for him.

Probably. Norway's number 6 was perhaps best playing, but that striker was the decisive player for the match. Very fast reacting to situations, and a fast shot too. He used his chances just perfectly, but to be honest, these goals were gifts from our defence.

I would have been perhaps happier to see awesome defending and a 0-0 than what last night was, but it might be unrealistic to expect good defending after 2 days training together, many of players having not even started their season yet. In attack most of what was good was individual performances too, as Blanc said: zero automatisms. On the other hand, aside from few individual mistakes our defence actually kept the Norwegian strikers off the ball. Though Norway did get to attack, they never really got very good attacks aside from those that lead to goals, so perhaps I'm bit harsh with defenders.

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No' date=' someone more interesting. Good to see that I know him before you do. B)[/quote']

Thorgan Hazard? Although I don't count him as an in and out striker.

Then Lens... The best you've got must be Runje' date=' but he is very injury prone and old and might be replaced by that Tunisian, who might turn to be good anyway, but I wouldn't say that he surely is better than Audard. At least, compared to Audard and Gregorini, he lacks top level routine.[/quote']

Runje is a good keeper, quality. He isn't to well-known anymore thanks to our spell in Ligue 2, but if had as much success Lorient/Nancy has had these recent years, I don't doubt you would have rated Runje over them. Abit to injury-phrone, but still a great keeper.

In defence Demont is excellent' date=' but likes of Sartre, Yahia and Chelle are bit of left overs from other clubs, players that teams fighting a relegation battle are likely to sign. In fat, you signed Yahia when you were relegated, as well as Sartre, from another Ligue 2 club. They never came from higher playing clubs (compare to Bourillon, a former future of France, Morel, wanted by bigger clubs, likely to move on, Chretien, etc.), and they are on move to the worse direction. Ramos isn't exactly impressive either.[/quote']

Yup, Demont is awesome. Better than Sosa and Chretien at the moment. Chretien has never came back to the 07/08 season form in my opinion. Whilst Demont has held a high class for so long he has been waering the Les Sang et Or jersey.

Yahia is a good defender, but I agree with you regarding Sartre and Chelle. I don't like them either to be honest. Ramos though, is an average defender: Not bad nor that good. He does his job though.

On midfield your best must be dead ball specialist DM Hermach and a fine attacking midfielder Roudet. The latter I actually like a lot' date=' a good technical player, a sort of you can see a smaller team that wants to make it to Europe signing. But that's all, then there's Doumeng, a used to be sort of promise, who hardly has played last seasons, Kovacevic, a lower mid table club player, even a Ligue 2 player actually, Sow, who's quite fine.[/quote']

Yeah, Roudet is awesome. Very under-rated player, but truly a great player. He kinda reminds me of Seydou Keita abit. He is of EL standard in my opinion. And Roudet is the dead ball specialist. Hermanch is good. You can get better players, but he is alright and to be honest, who would have though that the Nancy team of 2007/08 would play as such high standard without star players? I mean, this could very well happen to us this season. Kovacevic is definately not of lower mid table standard. He is class and he is perhaps the most important player in the midfield. Doumeng is bad and we should have tried to offload him right after we got promotion, but oh well, something is telling we'll do it under this upcoming January-window.

You've got some interesting youngsters here though' date=' namely Joseph-Monrose, Boukari and Aurier. In attack, be honest, Jemaa is old, Maoulida never been really impressive, though fine for a lesser Ligue 1 club, but not a player with whom you fight for places in Europe, Pollet, who can be good, but who's merits are from National, never tested even in Ligue 2 (and this is the level of your purchases!), and finally MOnnet-Paquet, a fine lower half player, but let's face it, he isn't a le tallec what it comes to technique and his goal scoring hasn't been awesome either.[/quote']

Jemaa is a player who came to Lens, but never developed as expected. We should try to offload him to some Ligue 2/Belgian club hopefully. I like Maoulida, but I'm not compftorably with him beeing the starting striker. He would have been very useful for the squad deep though and I believe he has nothing against it. He love Lens, which can been seen when he celebrates his goals. Pollet has been coming through the youth academies of Lens and haven't bought him. He got some playing time in Ligue 2 for another club in 2007/08 and 2008/09 and scored some goals aswell. This past season, though, he spent on loan at Paris FC, a club in Div 3, as you said. He is good and he also came something like 3rd in the top-scorer league in Div 3 with 21 goals. I'd rather have him upfront using his strength and in that way be used as a target man to be honest, than playing Maoulida/Jemaa. This kid is good, trust me. Monnet-Paquet, could, if he develops in the right way, become the new Le Tallec. I mean, he has been suffering from having though competition in 2007/08 season, when he had to compete to the likes of Monterrubio/Akale/Maoulida/Dindane upfront. That season was the season he was expected to take the big step, but as the season went screwed, the coaches were scared of putting Lens' faith in a youngster like Monnet-Paquet. However, the following season in Ligue 2, he showed glimps of magic abit here and there and was great. I really hope he gets many opportunities this season. I mean, this is the golden chance for him to prove his worth as it isnt much competition for the starting-spot.

In my opinion your situation seems miserable. Lens just lacks the level. Team is more comparable to likes of Brest (keeper more proven maybe' date=' a scorer in Roux, Grougi a dead ball specialist, all-round a reliable but not top level, rather cheap squad) and ACA (this however is by far the poorest squad in Ligue 1). Or Le Mans, Boulogne and Grenoble that got relegated last season. Acknowledging how many clubs there are that actually are fighting for those European spots with very fine squads, Lens can't seriously put its objectives there (though I understand that you hope they could), but to remain in Ligue 1, which will be a big enough job.[/quote']

No way, I disagree, we aren't as bas as Brest and ACA. We are better than Sochaux, Nice, Caen, ASSE (If they as they've been playing these recent years).

And also, last season Auxerre suprisingly got a CL spot. No one would have thought that before the season started. The three seasons before the 09/10, they've been finishing on the following places: 8-14-15. And the two seasons before Nancy got their 4th place in 07/08 season, they finished on these places: 12 and 13. The season 08/09, the season after their 4th place, they finished 15th. Lens could easily finish on a EL/CL (although EL is most likely) this season. Nancy and Auxerre shocked many people with their places which saw them go to Europe. Lens can do it aswell. I see no reason why they couldn't.

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Few comments to you, Pazz.

Start from the end: Auxerre shouldn't shock anybody. They have been second most constantly top of table club of Ligue 1 during this millennium, only after OL. This despite of not winning or finishing second, all because they always are somewhere amongst the top 8.

Then, when you only look at the squad, on the level of players, both Sochaux and particularly ASSE are better than Lens. That ASSE has failed last seasons is exactly that they have failed to play on their level. If they can get to that level, they should be in top 10. Caen is more on same level with Lens, but they might have some boost from being promoted, i.e. having good season behind them, unlike Lens.

I exactly said that Runje is your gem, when healthy, by "GK who at best lacks the top level routine" I referred to that Tunisian guy you had in first match this season. If you read my post more carefully, I do not rate Lorient's and Nancy's GK:s over Runje, but over the Tunisian, name of whom I can't recall. Kasraoui, is it?

I didn't mean that Hermanch would be your first one to take free kicks, of course Roudet is better in that, but still, last season we saw Hermanch doing that successfully as well. These are the good part of your midfield. You're right that Roudet is sort of underrated. Excellent player who has buried himself in low rated clubs. But the others do not meet the league standards.

Monnet-Paquet is never of the same level as Le Tallec. Le Tallec is awesome technically and a classy AM/fwd, Monnet-Paquet is a goal scorer and if he continues with his current efficiency, he soon becomes useless to his club.

Rams may be ok, but an ok player on level of say, Laurenti, not of ok level of a team that would finish in top of Ligue 1. He isn't of "ok-level" of, say, Bocaly, Henrique, Berthod or Beria. Or Ebondo or Bonnart. These are player with whom you make it to Europe, not always as starters of course, but all are better than Ramos. It's not only one defender like this that you have, if you start with defenders like Ramos, Chelle and Sartre, you're just not competing for a place in Europa League in Ligue 1.

I'm serious, you need the good players first, then to think about making it to Europe. There are so many teams that are significantly better. ASSE has loads of more potential to get there than Lens, even Caen might be stronger - their excellent young wingers Mollo and El-Arabi are a true threat, something Lens doesn't have. Also, to be honest, if you look at Caen's defence, it seems perhaps stronger than Lens'. I don't assume Lens will concede loads, no, but you're going to play rather defensive tactics with a defence line unable to support your attacks, and rely on fast attacks through Roudet - and eliminating Roudet will be the key to kill your attack, I just don't see any other play makers in whole team. With already very weak attack it means that you won't score many. Probably mostly from set pieces. Again, ASSE's last season was a disaster, but Lens' season was pretty good for that team, you took all the profit from other clubs having difficulties. That you can compete with Nice, seen that Rémy moves and no significant signings are made, doesn't yet make your way to Europe.

Ok, I leave this from now on and you can have the last word - you'll have many of them in your Lens blog. ;) It's good that you believe in your favorite team, but I just want to give you this word of warning of not hoping too much from your current players.

Now, I still wait for possible comments on Ligue 1 fantasy thread before second round, and when it starts, I'll finally really retire. Have spent way too much time in here again, due to exciting times with Blanc taking charge and French leagues being kicked off again.

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Do you mean Erik Huskelepp? he still plays in Norway I believe and I'm suprised a European team hasn't come in for him.

IIRC' date=' he was linked with a move to Liverpool and Chelsea about a year ago.

Probably. Norway's number 6 was perhaps best playing

That would be Riise. Anyway, how did Charlie Insomnia (Charles N'Zogbia) do? :)

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Well' date=' according to a REALLY trustworthy Swedish site, Fabiano is a soon to be a Marseille player. Marseille and Sevilla have already agreed a fee (which could be from anywhere from 14M-20M €). Now, Marseille only needs to talk with some group who owns 60% of Fabiano. L'equipe and many Spanish newspaper are also stating that this deal is soon finished.[/quote']

Dassier and Del Nido (l'OM and the Sevilla president) had a meeting today regarding Fabiano. This meeting was supposed to be the meeting were the deal was set to be finalized and Fabiano would return with Dassier to France. But as the reality has hitted Marseille, Sevilla and Fabiano hasn't agreed a deal with Marseille yet. But the good news for Marseille is that Fabiano will soon, according to Dassier, be a l'OM player. Dassier was quoted saying this after the meeting; ''I think there will be more news tomorrow. Everything moves very fast''.

And in other news (regarding Marseille); Marseille has changed their minds regarding a move for Ben Arfa. They don't want him to leave the club and when Ben Arfa returned to Marseille, he didn't want to participate in training as a lack of showing his disappointment with how the management is threating him. According to La Provence, Ben Arfa has been excluded from the team that'll travel to Valenciennes.

Regarding the problems with Ben Arfa, Dassier was quoted saying this;

''Hatem is a part of Marseille and will remain a team-member of Marseille aswell. There is no club who has offered the moneys we want for him".

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Firstly i would just like to say that i have read the thread since about page 170 and i would like to congratulate everyone on making an extremely informative and compelling thread. It is especially helpful fro me as i am attempting to create a Lyon side by only using French players and it is quite a challenge.

Now i would like to trouble you and ask a few questions. Firstly if i was able to purchase only two of the following players which do you think will have a better future and would be better for me :- GIGNAC, André-Pierre Gignac, RÉMY, Loïc, GAMEIRO, Kévin, Hatem Ben Arfa and finally Hoarau?

Secondly do you think Gouffran of Bordeaux will get much game time this year and hold his rating or even rise?

Thanks in advance.

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