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Hey lads,

Do you think that AGP can finally reach 90 in the upcoming French rating changes, from what i heard, he's not doing quite well with Toulouse (7 games and 1 goal) but it's still early days and what position is Kim Källström exactly playing for OL?

Edit: Is Jallet worth signing??

Thanks In Advance,

Ibracadabra[9] :)

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;766170']Hey lads' date='

Do you think that AGP can finally reach 90 in the upcoming French rating changes, from what i heard, he's not doing quite well with Toulouse (7 games and 1 goal) but it's still early days and what position is Kim Källström exactly playing for OL?

[b']Edit:[/b] Is Jallet worth signing??

Thanks In Advance,

Ibracadabra[9] :)

At the moment, Gignac won't be able to get a 90, but yes, if he picks up the pace, that 90 won't be too far away. Kallstrom normally plays either in the LM or CM positions. Jallet is only 2nd choice at PSG, and it's hard to say if he can break into the first team (he has been a great player when he's subbed on, though). I would wait a bit before making the decision.

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At the moment' date=' Gignac won't be able to get a 90, but yes, if he picks up the pace, that 90 won't be too far away. [/quote']

I sort of disagree here, but it's good to have conversation. Imo Dédé's 90 is pretty much secured by what he did last season. TFC went to Europe and he was without competition in scoring charts. Of course, there's some worry about TFC's form, they aren't exactly at the top of the table, and APG himself hasn't scored but 1 goal. But the season is still young, and imo the last season counts still heavily, seen that a lot of it was still played after the last changes. Add this, that Gignac constantly plays for l'EDF, which is an achievement on international level. Also, despite the fact that he hasn't scored much, he does provide a lot of offense to TFC and has assisted some goals. Most of the French experts rate him higher than Benzema, Anelka and others. I'd be surprised, if he didn't get his 90. 91 might be too high if TFC doesn't start to win games, but 90 should be clear.

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Le onze de départ bordelais: Carrasso - Jurietti, Ciani, Henrique, Placente - A. Diarra, Fernando - Ab. Traoré, Sertic, Jussiê - Bellion.

Well, that says it all. Seemingly Monsieur Blanc doesn't count ASSE as a real opposition. I don't want to diss these players, they have class, but of the normal starting XI only Diarra, Carasso and Ciani are present - and well, Fernando starts quite often. However, in fact I agree with Blanc: this squad can win ASSE. Henrique is good and Placente and Jurietti are experienced defenders. Sertic is a classy youngster and Gourcuff wasn't going to play in any case, so why not to give Sertic a chance? I believe he will do fine. What I wonder a bit though, is why has he left Cavenaghi on bench? He hasn't been playing that much. Playing Bellion in wing instead of Traoré and putting Cavenaghi up front would already be much more convincing.

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So, it seems that Blanc seriously underestimated ASSE.

Your beloved Nice did quite a fight back at home. Was it their... second victory? Anyway, it might be going to better now with Nice and ASSE, until today in the bottom of the table. Of course, not in the very bottom: sad Grenoble lost again. Zero points so far. Have they already been relegated? Montpellier's victory got them within 2 points from Bordeaux and makes sure that Marseille doesn't escape from them. So they rest in top three. Not bad. I remember saying already before the season, that Montpellier seems quite strong. Btw, Belhanda played again, on the flank. He could have his position changed to more attacking, and more lateral. Also a nice rise in rating will happen.

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hmmm' date=' St Etienne won 3 - 1 :eek:

fantastic goal from Payet against a weaker than usual Bordeaux...is Blanc becoming a tinkerman ?

How are the two Argentinians, Bergessio & Augusto Fernandez adapting to life in France ?

Well, Bordeaux had only 3 or 4 players that normally start and the match was quite even. Anyway, it seems that those Argentinians are adapting very well at least to the football in France. They have been great help to ASSE.

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LIGUE 1 WEEK 8 REVIEW

Grenoble 2-3 Montpellier

Both sides deployed the 4-3-3, Grenoble placing Feghouli and Boya beside Ljuboja in the attack, while having Juan between Batlles and Courtois; and Montpellier having the usual Belhanda-Montaño-Dernis attack and the Costa-Pitau-Marveaux midfield. Marveaux's run set up Montaño for the opener, while Dzodic slipped in a ball that rebounded from GF38 keeper Le Crom (playing in place of Viviani). Ljuboja pulled one back after the break, chesting down a cross and sending in a quality half-volley past Jourdren. No big deal. Montpellier equalized seconds later, when captain Dzodic again scored, this time heading in a corner kick. I believe he's the top-scoring defender with all these goals. :P Dieuze managed to head in Matsui's cross at the end of the game to again decrease the gap. Grenoble are once again denied their first point this season, spending another week at the rock bottom of the table.

Nice 3-2 Valenciennes

As usual, L'OGC stuck with a 4-2-3-1 led by Rémy. Poté got to start on the right wing, next to Faé(playing AM). Audel and Ducourtioux flanked Pujol in the attack and Cohade and Sanchez played on Gomis' wings in midfield as usual.Mounier again was on the left, and Echouafni and Hellebuyck were, typically, the CM's. Samassa, who came on 33 minutes in for an injured Audel, converted a penalty early on to put VA ahead, and bad defending allowed Sanchez to whip in a finish, unmarked, unpressured, and unblocked. Nice managed to reduce the margin through Ben Saada, who slid in a slick, low shot that could only be parried into the goal. A red card for Cohade gave Nice the numerical advantage afterward. The resulting free-kick was just barely deflected by Echouafni's head, but it was close enough to fool N'Dy Assembe, putting both sides level. Only one more goal was needed to complete the magnificent comeback, and that goal just happened to be an own goal, scored ironically by Samassa, who had scored just about an hour ago. :P

PSG 1-1 Nancy

The two contenders in this match showed up with their usual squad, the only exception being that André Luiz replaced Sämi, who came on for an under-performing Lotiès instead. Dia sent Hadji on the breakaway, and the Nancy playmaker made the most of the chance, supplying his side with the lead. Five minutes later, though, Sessegnon equalized by receiving the ball after Luyindula's shot was deflected off Coupet and tucked it into the goal. Can't say the match was an even one, though. PSG absolutely dominated the statistics, but just couldn't capitalize on their advantages. Nancy did do well defensively to keep PSG at bay, though.

Rennes 0-1 Auxerre

The Rennes line-up was much like last week's, but with Bangoura being replaced by Kemba-Ekoko. He didn't do well, nor did Sow, who subbed on for him. M'Vila wasn't anything special. Then again, none of the Rennes players were, except for Douchez. Auxerre had Jelen suspended, so Niculae was the sole striker, playing in front of Birsa, who in turn was between Oliech and Capoue and in front of Pedretti and N'Dinga. Bocanegra got sent off early on, forcing Rennes to put Danzé on for Marveaux. Pedretti converted the subsequent free-kick and got Auxerre the first goal. Rennes fought back really well in the second half, but were left disappointed when the final whistle blew before they could score. I was quite schocked at the score, too, considering the dominance that Rennes held in the second half. Oh well - football will be football.

Saint-Etienne 3-1 Bordeaux

Despite having a very fit squad (Gourcuff was the only player injured), Blanc played his line-up pretty close to the chest, having Jurietti and Placente in for Chalmé and Tremoulinas, Jussiê and Sertic for Gourcuff and Wendel, Traoré for Gouffran, and Bellion as striker. Les Verts were without Varrault and Sanogo, turning to Andreu to play on the right side of the defense, N'Daw in LB, and Benalouane in N'Daw's spot, while Ilan started behind Bergession and between Fernandez and Landrin. Augusto Fernandez, who was man-of-the-match (scout bait! :P) opened the scoring, surprising the Bordeaux defense by heading in a cross from Landrin. The severity of the situation for Bordeaux was aggravated when Ilan put Saint-Etienne two goals ahead, while his side constantly challenged the Bordeaux defense. Bordeaux's attacking play was lackluster, but I think this was to be expected from a squad of 2nd team players. Blanc had Cavenaghi and Chamakh come on to mend the deficit. Eventually, a penalty was given for Bordeaux, and Jussiê stepped up to convert it. Wendel was then put on for Sertic in Bordeaux's final substitution. The dismal twist to the story was Payet's (he came on in the 84th for Bergessio) 94th-minute goal that put the margin back to two goals. R.I.P. 22-game unbeaten streak. :( Kudos to Les Verts, though, who fought really hard in the first half to dampen the Bordeaux fighting spirit. I do think that the scoreline was preventable, though, but I'm sure all the omitted players were tired from the mid-week Champions League clash, so it probably wasn't easy on Blanc.

Sochaux 1-0 Le Mans

Sochaux saw Mikari return, allowing them to play their best squad (Boudebouz preferred over Nogueira this time, but I think there's a rotation system going on with these two) in the usual 4-2-2-2. Le Mans' line-up was the same as last week. An penalty conceded by Loriot, who consequently was sent off, was astonishingly parried away by Ovono. Subsequently, Ovono was rated the top player of the game, of course due to other moments as well. He's proving better and better each game. The rest of Le Mans didn't do so well, Corchia and Goulon having average performances and Maïga having a relatively bad game. The only goal came from Sochaux's Martin, who blasted in a lay-off pass brilliantly.

Lens 0-2 Lyon

Lens retained their 4-2-3-1 formation, with Akalé in the AM spot the only oddity. Lyon swapped for a 4-3-3, with Govou, Gomis, and Pjanic on the frontlines. Gonalons (Makoun was still injured) took up the Toulalan role, which was deserted by its usual occupant, who was playing next to Cris in the defense (Bodmer and Boumsong were both absent due to injuries). Källström played on the left of the midfield, while Clerc started on the opposite side. Cissokho, and Réveillère were in their usual locations. Govou was the one to put Lyon up early on, just seven minutes into the game, thanks to a wall pass with Källström and a 25-yeard strike. Lens received a penalty, but the opportunity was put to waste as Demont's attempt slid wide of the post. Looking at Lloris' dive, though, it probably wouldn't have made it anyway, but that was a waste nonetheless. At the 78th minute, it was Govou who set up Källström to make it 2-0 for Lyon, another shot from distance.

Boulogne 2-3 Lille

Boulogne went really defensive with this one, assembling in a 5-4-1 formation. In the back, Lecointe and Rabuel were on the wings, with Soumaré, Dembele, and Lachor in between. Das Neves and Marcq were in the CM, while Agouazi and Boussaha played on the wings as Blayac replaced Thil as striker. Odd choice to have Cuvillier sit this out. Lille were again using the 4-3-3, with Frau being the central forward flanked by Obraniak and Gervinho. Balmont, Mavuba, and Dumont were in the midfield. Emerson instead of Beria played LB this time. Hazard, Vittek, Aubameyang were all benched. The Boulogne pack defending worked. Lille managed to get about an even amount of balls past the midfield as their opponents did, but could do little with them, each time being overwhelmed by defenders. Boulogne, on the attack, did manage to create shooting opportunities, and eventually scored through Dembele, who headed in a corner from Agouazi. The second Boulogne goal came from Blayac's corner, this time converted by Agouazi. With a 5-man defense, there really was only one plausible method for Lille to surpass them, which was to fool their opposition, and they did just that. They scored initially through Gervinho, who knocked in the rebound after a number of passes finally broke into the defense. Their second goal ended up coming from Frau, after a number of rebounds and a whole lot of confusion in the overfilled Boulogne defense. Much credit to Gervinho, who did magnificently, driving the ball into the box. He was involved in the next goal, when his shot rebounded off the post and was converted by Frau.

Toulouse 0-1 Lorient

Toulouse continue their early season slump, this time falling prey to Lorient. With Cetto and Fofana still injured, Capoue had to again move back to partner Nounkeu in the center of defense. M'Bengue returned, so Tabanou got to play as LW, opposite Braaten. Casanova deployed the 4-2-3-1, having Didot and Berson behind Sissokho. Gignac was the lone striker. Lorient, meanwhile, made a few amends to their typical line-up. Diarra still remained on the left wing, but Amalfitano, on the right, was taken off for Peñalba. Fanchone and Monterrubio replaced Vahirua and Gameiro, who were both unfit. As a result, TFC were the only ones to threaten their opposition, outgunning and outmanning their foes. Despite the challenges they faced, though, Lorient pulled through against the odds (and a good deal of this was due to Audard). In the final minute of regulation time, Lorient earned a penalty due to a handball incident, and Monterrubio calmly put it into the net to win it for his side.

Marseille 1-2 Monaco

Another against-the-run-of-play result. Deschamps adopted the 4-4-2 diamond again, having Ben Arfa this time in the AM spot, while Lucho and Cheyrou took the wings. M'Bia was DM, and Niang and Morientes were the strikers, as Brandao and Koné were injured. The usual defense was present. Niang was Marseille's sole scorer, converting Ben Arfa's pass from an angle - typical Niang style finishing. Monaco had Mollo again on the bench. Looks like his very existence is fading away with all these absenses. I honestly haven't even thought about him in a week or two. Nenê and Alonso were the wingers of a 4-2-3-1, in which Park was the striker, Coutadeur the AM, and Perez and N'Koulou (as Costa was unavailable) the DM's. Nenê's free-kick was deflected off Lucho and ended up in the goal, but it was counted as Nenê's goal anyway. The other goal came from Park, who received a high ball from Alonso and did well to poke it past Mandanda with two defenders on him.

Summary

This was a truly interesting week. Toulouse Rennes, Marseille, and Bordeaux were all defeated against the odds, while Nice pulled off a shocking (and brilliant ;)) comeback. A total of 29 goals were scored. Peculiarly, though, not a lot of them stood out as spectacular feats.

Govou's (0:20) goal and Källström's goal (4:50) were among the few interesting goals this week.

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Pedretti's free-kick (0:40) is definitely something worth viewing. :)

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This volley from Ljuboja (2:10) didn't win Grenoble anything, but it was enjoyable to see. Great finishing. Shame he plays for GF38. :o

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Those Govou-Källström combinations really are awesome. Other things to watch on those videos:

1. Pedretti's goal, as it says on video, was the first one from direct free kick for Auxerre for 3 years. Didn't know they've had it that bad.

2. Lloris' game. In every match. Note that Lyon scored 2 of 2 shots on goal, whereas Lens didn't get anything in from their many situations. Lloris has, imo, been best player of the ligue 1 so far and main reason why Lyon is leading. Lyon's defense still isn't solid, but Lloris saves.

3. Grenoble's lack of playing. Note how easily the ball goes through all the defense in the first Dzodic goal. Nobody does anything.

Few other things to note :

1. Mollo on bench, not playing.

2. Tabanou started again, one of the best players of the match. Something that was suspected before the season might be happening... Tabanou has played pretty much all the late matches and might have appeared in more matches tan any other TFC winger so far this season. He plays well too and might now be keeping his place. And the goals will come too, he gets a shot or two in every match and gives some free kicks.

3. No Nogueira this time either. Why? He has been one of the best of Sochaux this season. Can't understand.

4. Montpellier is now safely third of the ligue 1. Some risers there in the next changes...

5. Ben Arfa still has skills. Yes, despite of OM's loss, Arfa showed some good talent. The pass to Niang's goal was awesome.

6. Gervinho is in form and taking his place in the squad. There's a rotation system in LOSC though, Hazard and that-guy-with-long-and-difficult-name played last match, now it was Obra and Gervi.

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Hi' date=' i was just wondering how do Lyon fit Pjanic, Bastos and Govou into their starting lineup. From the stats, Pjanic appears to have secured the starting position while Govou and Bastos fight it out for the other winger spot.[/quote']

Well, you could imagine that, but Bastos was great in the first matches and is only out of the squad for being injured and should come back to next match. In fact, if needed, he could have entered already this match. Govou, on the other had, is the captain. They are the starters. Pjanic can play in middle too, so basically they could throw Källström out as well, which is more probable than benching either Govou or Bastos.

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Philippe, what do you think of Bordeaux replacements? I think the biggest difference was in wide backs. Whereas Trémoulinas and Chalmé are solid and produce good support to attack of the Girondins, Placente and Jurietti were not only in trouble with Landrin and Fernandez, as they really were, but also transparent in attack. I think that the attack lacked support from the flanks. Of course, they lacked something in the middle as well, though Fernando wasnt bad. Jussieu was no Gourcuff, that's for sure, but Sertic was quite good and perhaps a little support from the wing backs would have opened the game in the attack. It is very often that Gourcuff receives the ball from either of the full backs in Bordeaux's game and there's almost always either Trémoulinas or Chalmé involved when Bordeaux scores.

The question remains, when did Jurietti and Placente become so awfully bad? They used to be reliable full backs, now they're not good enough for replacements. I wonder if Blanc will give them another chance in the cup...

In defense, both Ciani and Henrique were worse than either of them would be paired with Planus. It could be that his leadership would have strengthened whole defense line remarkably. Diaraa should have brought leadership, but he was in fact not very good himself. Perhaps it would have been wise to rest him too. Blanc seems to have thought of this himself when taking Cavenaghi in for him.

There's a sort of problem in giving Diarra rest. Should he have started on bench, who would have been the DM, now that Ducasse has been loaned to Lorient? Ducasse is, btw, having a good season in Lorient and I think it was a mistake to loan him out. He needs more of first team time, but seen that Bordeaux has a tight schedule with all the cups, he could have had that in Bordeaux. Or maybe not, Blanc knows better, but I just remember him as a great promise from time when he was still a teenager and scored for Bordeaux in his first game (I'm quite sure it was his first). Before last season he was progressing with his career in Bordeaux, but this last season was a set back. Don't know why. He always was a good defensive player and was able to take part to Bordeaux's passing game as well, and even had a really strong shot - he gave free kicks already then. I think he could have been useful to Bordeaux for example in this match that they just lost.

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I sort of disagree here' date=' but it's good to have conversation. Imo Dédé's 90 is pretty much secured by what he did last season. TFC went to Europe and he was without competition in scoring charts. Of course, there's some worry about TFC's form, they aren't exactly at the top of the table, and APG himself hasn't scored but 1 goal. But the season is still young, and imo the last season counts still heavily, seen that a lot of it was still played after the last changes. Add this, that Gignac constantly plays for l'EDF, which is an achievement on international level. Also, despite the fact that he hasn't scored much, he does provide a lot of offense to TFC and has assisted some goals. Most of the French experts rate him higher than Benzema, Anelka and others. I'd be surprised, if he didn't get his 90. 91 might be too high if TFC doesn't start to win games, but 90 should be clear.[/quote']
At the moment' date=' Gignac won't be able to get a 90, but yes, if he picks up the pace, that 90 won't be too far away.[/quote']

Hmmmmm, different opinions.

So, what is his chance of rising in the next changes, percentage wise?

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Hmmmmm' date=' different opinions.

So, what is his chance of rising in the next changes, percentage wise?[/quote']

We can only give you the facts, you have to figure possibilities out yourself. My opinion is that it's some 90% sure, if not more, but it's just my opinion, and I explained what I base it on. I'm still waiting for APG to score some goals and get TFC up and his rating to 91. That can still happen, or at least I believe so.

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How has Sessegnon and Le Tallec been playing?

I see Le Tallec has been on the scoresheet twice in the past four weeks or so, has he been playing well?

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Philippe' date=' what do you think of Bordeaux replacements? I think the biggest difference was in wide backs. Whereas Trémoulinas and Chalmé are solid and produce good support to attack of the Girondins, Placente and Jurietti were not only in trouble with Landrin and Fernandez, as they really were, but also transparent in attack. I think that the attack lacked support from the flanks. Of course, they lacked something in the middle as well, though Fernando wasnt bad. Jussieu was no Gourcuff, that's for sure, but Sertic was quite good and perhaps a little support from the wing backs would have opened the game in the attack. It is very often that Gourcuff receives the ball from either of the full backs in Bordeaux's game and there's almost always either Trémoulinas or Chalmé involved when Bordeaux scores.

The question remains, when did Jurietti and Placente become so awfully bad? They used to be reliable full backs, now they're not good enough for replacements. I wonder if Blanc will give them another chance in the cup...

In defense, both Ciani and Henrique were worse than either of them would be paired with Planus. It could be that his leadership would have strengthened whole defense line remarkably. Diaraa should have brought leadership, but he was in fact not very good himself. Perhaps it would have been wise to rest him too. Blanc seems to have thought of this himself when taking Cavenaghi in for him.

There's a sort of problem in giving Diarra rest. Should he have started on bench, who would have been the DM, now that Ducasse has been loaned to Lorient? Ducasse is, btw, having a good season in Lorient and I think it was a mistake to loan him out. He needs more of first team time, but seen that Bordeaux has a tight schedule with all the cups, he could have had that in Bordeaux. Or maybe not, Blanc knows better, but I just remember him as a great promise from time when he was still a teenager and scored for Bordeaux in his first game (I'm quite sure it was his first). Before last season he was progressing with his career in Bordeaux, but this last season was a set back. Don't know why. He always was a good defensive player and was able to take part to Bordeaux's passing game as well, and even had a really strong shot - he gave free kicks already then. I think he could have been useful to Bordeaux for example in this match that they just lost.[/quote']

I agree that the fullbacks were not nearly capable of filling in Tremoulinas' and Chalme's attacking displays. Also, with Gourcuff absent and Wendel, Cavenaghi, and Chamakh benched until the second half, Bordeaux lacked a lot of inspiring plays and were very dull on the attack. Blanc seems to be juggling a lot of things at once. He has domestic cups, the league, and the Champions League all to deal with, while not having the luxurious depth that teams such as those in the Premier League do. As for Diarra's replacements, I think Blanc would switch back to the 4-4-2 diamond if he was missing, with Fernando as DM, despite how shaky this looks already.

How has Sessegnon and Le Tallec been playing?

I see Le Tallec has been on the scoresheet twice in the past four weeks or so' date=' has he been playing well?[/quote']

Le Tallec has been one of Le Mans' more important players, being an essential part of their attack. Sessegnon is as solid as usual, and I think he's even better at times now that he's on the left wing.

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How has Sessegnon and Le Tallec been playing?

I see Le Tallec has been on the scoresheet twice in the past four weeks or so' date=' has he been playing well?[/quote']

Sessegnon plays now pretty much his favored position, AM on the left side, because he doesn't really go to flank. This also leaves space for Armand to make runs on the flank. In fact, it demands the runs. This works very well, and Sessegnon plays his play maker position maybe better than ever.

Le Tallec now has a manager who believes in him and gives him a big role. He has, not only scored twice, but played very well pretty much every game. Especially now that Coutadeur left for Monaco, Le Tallec's creative role in Le Mans' attack is huge.

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As for Diarra's replacements' date=' I think Blanc would switch back to the 4-4-2 diamond if he was missing, with Fernando as DM, despite how shaky this looks already.[/quote']

You know, if I would have to make a Bordeaux diamond without Diaraa and Gourcuff, I would still prefer Ducasse as DM and put Fernando either on right side (Chalmé rising would allow Fernando play more in the middle) or as an AM, because his defensive game isn't terrific.

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Anybody got a prediction for Gregory Sertic? :D

That's pretty tough one. One one hand, he hasn't played a lot, on the other, he just won the ligue 1 title and is great whenever he plays. Over 80 surely. I'd say something like 82/83 would be correct. This includes what he did in the end of the last season, after the changes. Mollo went to 84 with a lot more playing, but then again Sertic has been possibly even better when playing and also plays for a club with higher average rating. Plus, if Mollo would have kept on pĺaying like that this season, he would go to 87 or more, like Hazard will. Hazard has one minus though, which is that Lille has surprisingly sucked this season. 87 will still happen, little doubt.

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Hi, just want to ask, will Toulalan change to CM/CB or CB/CM?

He recently played 3 times at CB if I'm not wrong, but has been playing at CM previously.

If I am looking for a solid CM (not in terms of rating, but position) that won't change position in the near future, will he be a good choice?

Thanks.

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