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Didi.... Is EDERSON (90) the most overrated player in France ? or is he @ least in the starting XI of Overrated Players ? (which by the way is a XI that I wouldn't mind seeing :) )

Anyway...Every single time I watch this guy I want to jump through the television screen and strangle him.

Aside: I get that Puel wants to rotate my boy BASTOS, a step-too-slow GOVOU, and that dog EDERSON, but considering that Puel is ALWAYS going to sub the starter off @ the 60th minute, why on earth didn't he just stick with a set of starters between them all season.

This team is sooooooo frustrating....

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Hey Didi/Diego.

One question' date=' how do you rate Marcos Venâncio CEARA of PSG? Is his 88 safe?

many thanks, Callum[/quote']

Is a starter and often does well. Had a great last year, but hasn't been as good that this season. Not that he has been bad, it was just his top-form he played on last season. Anyway, will stay.

Didi.... Is EDERSON (90) the most overrated player in France ? or is he @ least in the starting XI of Overrated Players ? (which by the way is a XI that I wouldn't mind seeing :) )

Anyway...Every single time I watch this guy I want to jump through the television screen and strangle him.

Aside: I get that Puel wants to rotate my boy BASTOS' date=' a step-too-slow GOVOU, and that dog EDERSON, but considering that Puel is ALWAYS going to sub the starter off @ the 60th minute, why on earth didn't he just stick with a set of starters between them all season.

This team is sooooooo frustrating....[/quote']

Ederson arrived for 15 mil € 2 summers ago and he was perhaps the best player for Nice then. However, he hasn't been living up to the expectations since. Also take in notice that he hasn't been getting so many chances this season. Mainly due to Pjanic's spark and the fact that the big talent Pjanic is developing, the fact that Bastos occupies the left flank and does well there and the fact that Delgado has been in a great form of run since the new year. So, every position Ederson is capable of playing on is currently occupied by players in form and it's not easy to play great after sitting on the bench for several months and is expected to do better than Bastos/Pjanic/Delgado.

Puel isn't the right coach for OL in my opinion. He is a good coach for a team under the biggest ones, who are trying to pusch for an EL place. Most notably teams like Lille or Auxerre would benefit him well in my opinion and he was also a good coach in Lille by the way. Anyway, I just think he can't handle the pressure at Lyon, simple as. He shows lacking at tactical descions. In my opinion he hasn't got the best out of this squad too, even though they ended in a semi-final place in CL. I mean, this Lyon team is the perhaps the best team in France and should've really be fighting with Marseille for the league title, not fight with Lille for the 3rd spot. Fire Puel, in with Christian Gourcuff (Lorient coach), or atleast someone in that caliber, who can handle both attacking and defensive football. I would bet also that Koscielny would follow Gourcuff.

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Ederson arrived for 15 mil € 2 summers ago and he was perhaps the best player for Nice then. However' date=' he hasn't been living up to the expectations since. Also take in notice that he hasn't been getting so many chances this season. Mainly due to Pjanic's spark and the fact that the big talent Pjanic is developing, the fact that Bastos occupies the left flank and does well there and the fact that Delgado has been in a great form of run since the new year. So, every position Ederson is capable of playing on is currently occupied by players in form and it's not easy to play great after sitting on the bench for several months and is expected to do better than Bastos/Pjanic/Delgado.

Puel isn't the right coach for OL in my opinion. He is a good coach for a team under the biggest ones, who are trying to pusch for an EL place. Most notably teams like Lille or Auxerre would benefit him well in my opinion and he was also a good coach in Lille by the way. Anyway, I just think he can't handle the pressure at Lyon, simple as. He shows lacking at tactical descions. In my opinion he hasn't got the best out of this squad too, even though they ended in a semi-final place in CL. I mean, this Lyon team is the perhaps the best team in France and should've really be fighting with Marseille for the league title, not fight with Lille for the 3rd spot. Fire Puel, in with Christian Gourcuff (Lorient coach), or atleast someone in that caliber, who can handle both attacking and defensive football. I would bet also that Koscielny would follow Gourcuff.[/quote']

I agree that Ederson isn't fundamentally a bad player. But it is true what Johnny says, Ederson hasn't really been much anything for Lyon. Lyon has made a lot of bad buys.

About Puel, Gourcuff etc. I don't know really. Puel is sort of big team coach, while about Gourcuff we really don't know. He is some sort of motivational coach combined with a tactical mastermind, so it seems really good, but then again we haven't seen him in managing a big club. Could he do it? Well, this question was asked about Mourinho once too, so it isn't impossible. But he has never managed anything but small clubs and Lyon doesn't really take managers like that. It would be a brave move, and could be really the best one, I don't say it wouldn't, but just like Lyon isn't buying Koscielny, I really doubt them even thinking about Gourcuff.

On the other hand, if Blanc leaves Bordeaux, would Gourcuff want to stay if the new coach was his father? And Gameiro could move with him.

Back to Lyon. Aulas is furious with the referee in the Valenciennes match. What he says is that Bisevac should have got a red card, Lisandro should have got a penalty, and foremost that Valenciennes' penalty was a phantom penalty, no touch really. And he adds: this mister Bré becomes quite expensive for them, because it is not a small matter here, it costs them 20 million €. What do you think about this. Aulas complains every time when Lyon doesn't win in France, but this time, in fact, I agree with him. He has point. at least those penalty decisions went all wrong: Lisandro should have got penalty and Pujol shouldn't have, Lloris didn't really touch that guy practically at all and it was a horrible diving from Pujol. Bisevac too, should have got at least yellow and with the very merited yellow that he actually got it would have made an expulsion in any case. And indeed, Aulas is able to underline how problematic this is: it is not a small deal when there's a place in CL to be decided by these matches. OL still has it in its own hands, if they win the two matches they have left, they'll be third at least and go to CL, but with victory from this they wouldn't have needed but one more win to secure that place. It is a big money that is in question, and big games too.

This makes me think again about that video referee. Why would it be so bad after all, when there's the technology and it is used in other sports with success? Perhaps there's the argument from "energy": a football match, particularly for those who are watching it at the place, can be especially on lower level an energetic experience because the action, slow that it is, never stops. Using a video referee would mean stopping the clock every now and then and re-launching the game. It would bring in many new tactical changes in the game and probably bring it one step closer to those American sports that lack the continuousness and are built on short action spectacles, and where the players then become more and more just specialists of some short action. I personally find those sports very boring and wouldn't want to sit at the stadium for hours watching just separate moments of action, so I don't want football to take even small steps to that direction. Stopping the clock for a while would be a questionable move.

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Anyone? :o

Mate, I covered Dalmat already. The reason why no one knows anything about your Traore is that he hasn't played an adult match, not in France at least. For a 22-year-old player in a Ligue 2 club that isn't really promising.

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Mate' date=' I covered Dalmat already. The reason why no one knows anything about your Traore is that he hasn't played an adult match, not in France at least. For a 22-year-old player in a Ligue 2 club that isn't really promising.[/quote']

Sorry mate I must have just missed it :o

Traore has a high rating for that then...but since when have the ratings made sense lol

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Sorry mate I must have just missed it :o

Traore has a high rating for that then...but since when have the ratings made sense lol

I'm sorry, I was tired and missed that you must have meant the obvious Mahamane, that of Nice. He is Mali international or something, I think. I don't know if that means anything really. A rotation player for Nice, but he is quite young. Ask from Philippe directly, he is fan of Nice and can surely answer you. You see, this Mahamane Traoré guy really says nothing to me, never paid attention to him, Philippe could tell you if I should have.

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Ligue 1 dream team:

Lloris (Lyon) - Fanni (Rennes), Diawara (Marseille), Ciani (Bordeaux), Trémoulinas (Bordeaux) - Be. Cheyrou (Marseille), Gourcuff (Bordeaux) - Hazard (Lille, photo Presse-Sports), Lisandro (Lyon), Niang (Marseille) - Chamakh (Bordeaux).

I so disagree with this.

First, what is Chamakh doing there? He is there from old memory. Gameiro perhaps? Where's Valbuena? Ok, he didn't play the first half, but was without doubt the MVP of the second half. Marseille wouldn't have won the title if it wasn't because of Valbuena. I just counted, they didn't lose one single match that Valbuena started and, now I don't recall it anymore, but it was 2 or 3 ties that they had with Valbuena starting, all the rest they won with him, and usually because of him. Lisandro on midfield? No way. Lisandro as striker and Valbuena on midfield.

Second, what is Ciani doing there, he has been maybe worst player of Bordeaux for the second half of the season. Koscielny was way better. And Planus, I think it was clearly proven on this second half that Planus is really the man for the Bordeaux's defence. Then, honestly, Fanni can't be our top RB. Chalmé is, no matter how Bordeaux failed the second half, way better. And, then again, don't we completely fail to appreciate Hengbart's effort here? Wasn't he the most consistent RB, able to get his team pretty far.

And the case of Gourcuff... I'm sorry to say this, but he didn't have too great a season. He might have done it better had he indeed played DM whole season and had Bordeaux had someone else as AM, but that just wasn't the case. For a DM, Cabaye had hard time in the beginning, but in the long run he has been phenomenal. Then there are two player leading the midfields of the teams that surprised whole league: Pedretti and Pitau, of Auxerre and Montpellier respectively. It's amazing how Pitau can still fly under radar. It's as if he had Somebody Else's Problem field covering him. Wonderful season. Pedretti might be really the league MVP of the whole season. I can't imagine Auxerre making it to top ten without Pedretti. He lead the team defence and built the most of the attack they had and was the dead ball specialist, always needed for a team that bases it's game on defence. Then there's Toulalan. Perhaps it's justified to drop him out of the dream team, because he had pretty injury plagued season, but still... when he played he dominated. Perhaps it is a factor that he played a lot in defence. Wasn't his best there, though he was the best of Lyon there too.

Also, I wonder whether Hazard really was that good. Gervinho was arguably more efficient. On the other hand, Gervinho was really inconsistent. How about Le Tallec? He has been left unnoticed, but he was everything for his team and played a great season. Nene is another AM that comes to mind. But Hazard isn't a bad choice. Lisandro, Niang and Cheyrou are quite uncontested. As are Lloris, Diawara and Trémoulinas.

What do you think? Personal dream teams?

Lisandro was voted the best player, quite rightly so. Lloris would have been another possibility. In fact, I would have chosen Lloris. Perhaps, after all, Lloris was the MVP. I doubt Lyon would have taken much any points on first half of the season without Lloris. It would have been a big crisis and they'd fire Puel early, if only Lloris hadn't been there to save them night after night.

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Perhaps less interesting, but here's the Ligue 2 dream team:

Elana (Brest) - Daf (Brest), Leca (Caen), Baysse (Sedan), Tafforeau (Caen) - Grougi (Brest), Nivet (Caen), Hamouma (Laval) - Roux (Brest), Modeste (Angers), Giroud (Tours, photo Presse-Sports).

Giroud was the player of the year. I didn't follow much the second half. There are the important players of Caen's defense, quite incontestably: Tafforeau, Leca and Nivet. All are Ligue 1 level and I'd imagine them playing Ligue 1 with Caen next season. They make a solid core for a smaller Ligue 1 team too. Then, there's Brest play maker Grougi, who was very intersting, Gourcuff of ligue 2. I'm anxious to see him in Ligue 1 with Brest. Young forwards Roux, Modeste and Giroud in the attack. There were loads of ood young forwards, Gueye, Ribas etc. who could have starred this dream team, but those three choices are pretty obvious still. Good forwards in Ligue 2 right now. Many of the French youth prospects are there to get some time on field and to develop, these three forwards amongst them. A break through season for all three. Roux, I recall, played his first professional match this season. Great season from young player, who, I've read, showed more skills towards the end of it. First I thought that he's just a physical player heading Grougi's free kicks to goal, but apparently he showed a lot more versatility in the end.

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I'm sorry' date=' I was tired and missed that you must have meant the obvious Mahamane, that of Nice. He is Mali international or something, I think. I don't know if that means anything really. A rotation player for Nice, but he is quite young. Ask from Philippe directly, he is fan of Nice and can surely answer you. You see, this Mahamane Traoré guy really says nothing to me, never paid attention to him, Philippe could tell you if I should have.[/quote']

Okay thanks very much. I'll ask him :)

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In fact, i was expecting also another lineup for Ligue 1 dream team, something like:

LLoris; Chalme, Coulibaly, Diawara, Cissokho; Gervinho, Balmont, Pedretti, S. Marveaux; Lisandro, Niang. Bench: Mandanda, Chalme, Tremoulinas, Mignot, Lucho, Hazard, Asamoah

Based on: i see normally 3 games of Ligue1 at Saturday/Sunday and normally envolves Bordeaux/Lyon/OM against other teams.. or top league games.. in L'equipe ratings and in the highlights of Ligue1 in SportTV.. :o

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In fact' date=' i was expecting also another lineup for Ligue 1 dream team, something like:

LLoris; Chalme, Coulibaly, Diawara, Cissokho; Gervinho, Balmont, Pedretti, S. Marveaux; Lisandro, Niang. Bench: Mandanda, Chalme, Tremoulinas, Mignot, Lucho, Hazard, Asamoah

Based on: i see normally 3 games of Ligue1 at Saturday/Sunday and normally envolves Bordeaux/Lyon/OM against other teams.. or top league games.. in L'equipe ratings and in the highlights of Ligue1 in SportTV.. :o[/quote']

Ligue 1 dream team:

I so disagree with this.

First' date=' what is Chamakh doing there? He is there from old memory. Gameiro perhaps? Where's Valbuena? Ok, he didn't play the first half, but was without doubt the MVP of the second half. Marseille wouldn't have won the title if it wasn't because of Valbuena. I just counted, they didn't lose one single match that Valbuena started and, now I don't recall it anymore, but it was 2 or 3 ties that they had with Valbuena starting, all the rest they won with him, and usually because of him. Lisandro on midfield? No way. Lisandro as striker and Valbuena on midfield.

Second, what is Ciani doing there, he has been maybe worst player of Bordeaux for the second half of the season. Koscielny was way better. And Planus, I think it was clearly proven on this second half that Planus is really the man for the Bordeaux's defence. Then, honestly, Fanni can't be our top RB. Chalmé is, no matter how Bordeaux failed the second half, way better. And, then again, don't we completely fail to appreciate Hengbart's effort here? Wasn't he the most consistent RB, able to get his team pretty far.

And the case of Gourcuff... I'm sorry to say this, but he didn't have too great a season. He might have done it better had he indeed played DM whole season and had Bordeaux had someone else as AM, but that just wasn't the case. For a DM, Cabaye had hard time in the beginning, but in the long run he has been phenomenal. Then there are two player leading the midfields of the teams that surprised whole league: Pedretti and Pitau, of Auxerre and Montpellier respectively. It's amazing how Pitau can still fly under radar. It's as if he had Somebody Else's Problem field covering him. Wonderful season. Pedretti might be really the league MVP of the whole season. I can't imagine Auxerre making it to top ten without Pedretti. He lead the team defence and built the most of the attack they had and was the dead ball specialist, always needed for a team that bases it's game on defence. Then there's Toulalan. Perhaps it's justified to drop him out of the dream team, because he had pretty injury plagued season, but still... when he played he dominated. Perhaps it is a factor that he played a lot in defence. Wasn't his best there, though he was the best of Lyon there too.

Also, I wonder whether Hazard really was that good. Gervinho was arguably more efficient. On the other hand, Gervinho was really inconsistent. How about Le Tallec? He has been left unnoticed, but he was everything for his team and played a great season. Nene is another AM that comes to mind. But Hazard isn't a bad choice. Lisandro, Niang and Cheyrou are quite uncontested. As are Lloris, Diawara and Trémoulinas.

What do you think? Personal dream teams?

Lisandro was voted the best player, quite rightly so. Lloris would have been another possibility. In fact, I would have chosen Lloris. Perhaps, after all, Lloris was the MVP. I doubt Lyon would have taken much any points on first half of the season without Lloris. It would have been a big crisis and they'd fire Puel early, if only Lloris hadn't been there to save them night after night.[/quote']

I keep hearing great things about Toulalan and how he even derserves a 94. Why's it then that he doesn't make it into either of your best eleven? :o Just asking out of curiosity.

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I keep hearing great things about Toulalan and how he even derserves a 94. Why's it then that he doesn't make it into either of your best eleven? :o Just asking out of curiosity.

i am not probably the best person to answer about it.. but i will give my view..

Toulalan is best known for his ''shy and humble demeanour'' and not his footballing ability. He protects his defense with authority' date=' his drive an energy, make him an important player for the team he plays.

But he lacks pace, is not creative and not scores goals. In a modern football, is important all the players score goals, as it's even more hard than ever make it and he not does it. As he is the main man that recovers the balls, he needs to send it well to the attack( create danger, etc) or at least not miss (easy) passes.. a thing that i saw him do often..

And also because the other two were more important than him in the campaign of their clubs.. :o

L'Equipe [i']only[/i] rated him with an average of 5,5. While Balmont had 6 and Pedretti 5,57.. :P but Toulalan have less 9 games than them..

As i said, it's my opinion, so don't trust must :P

EDIT: Lyon offered 15 millions of euros for Bruno Alves.. what will be surely rejected.

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What do you think?

4-3-3

Lloris: Saved Lyon several times and has taken the No.1 spot in the national team.

Jallet: I could have putted him as an RM/LM or whatever in my team of the year' date=' but due to some execptional players playing there, he is the right-back of my team of the year. The fact that he can handle the pressure in Paris, makes me wonder if he is a man for the national team. Afterall, the right-back spot is perhaps the weakest spot for France. I would take him to WC to be honest.

[b']Koscielny:[/b] From Ligue 2 best defender to one of the best in Ligue 1. He is ready to play for a bigger club in my opinion. If I was Aulas, I would rather spend 5-6 mil € on Koscielny, than 12-15 mil € on Rami or 30 mil € on Alves.

Toulalan: He is the best centre-back in Lyon, despite his originally position being DM. Without him, the defence would fell apart at Lyon. Diawara is worth an honourable mention aswell.

Tremoulinas: Though call between him and and Cissokho, but he had a wonderful season until Bordeaux broke down. Not that he has been bad since then, but just not as good since then.

Pedretti: Always liked him (grew up watching him play at Sochaux) and it makes me happy to see him playing great again. One of the stones Auxerre needs to build their team around for the next season.

Cheyrou: Has had a great season and finally got called up. Fantastic box-to-box-player.

Sylvain Marveaux: Great player. Hopes he has another great season.

Gervinho: Showed that Lille aren't missing Bastos at all and is the best player in the intresting three men attack in Hazard-Frau-Gervinho. His technique is one of the best in Ligue 1 in my opinion and he is always dangerous.

Licha: A.K.A the pitbul. Great player. Scores goals and is always trying to disturb the defenders play with his never stop energy. Complete forward in my opinion.

Valbuena: The difference between l'OM of the first half of the season and the second half of the season is huge. Much of that can be blamed on how Deschamps ''hated'' Valbuena for some strange reason and didn't want to use him during the first half of the season. After seeing how l'OM needed speed and decided to play Valbuena and Ben Arfa more often. We've now seen how them (especially Valbuena) has made a big difference in the team and in a good way.

EDIT: Lyon offered 15 millions of euros for Bruno Alves.. what will be surely rejected.

Yup, it got rejected by Porto. They want atleast 20 mil and Alves buy-out-clause is on 30 mil, so it could be abit to expensive for Aulas likeing. I doubt Alves wants to move to Porto and I bet he want to move to a bigger club, in a bigger league.

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Before Domenech reveals his team for World Cup, francefootball.fr revealed theirs:

Gardiens : Lloris, Mandanda, Ruffier

Défenseurs : Sagna, Fanni, Gallas, Abidal, Squillaci, Mexes, Evra, Clichy

Milieux : Toulalan, A. Diarra, L. Diarra, Malouda, Ribéry, Nasri, Gourcuff

Attaquants : Henry, Anelka, Cissé, Benzema, Govou.

This is almost typically stupid French team. Think about CBs: Abidal, oh dear; Gallas, injured; Mexes, talk about hazard; Squillaci, has he come back from injury already? Then about midfield: 4 natural DM:s of which only one can really play attack wise (i.e. Gourcuff). There's no idea in taking both Diarra's in the squad. Francefootball.fr also suggested few potential surprises. Aside the obvious, they threw in few particularly interesting cases: Debuchy, Koscielny, Gameiro, Planus and Trémoulinas, Cabaye and Balmont, Sorin(!), Hoarau and.... Maxime Gonalons!!! Why not, really? In my opinion most of the surprises should be in defence, because it stinks. Gallas and Abidal out, no doubt. So, why not, still, Planus or Koscielny? Or Rami? In attack, the obvious sparkle would be Valbuena. At the moment, it seems risky to not choose him. In the midfield, we need an attack minded DM, so Cabaye is the best choice, and in hot form too.

Btw, there's a lot talk about how we need the leadership from either Henry or Vieira or both, but when I think of it, hasn't Evra carried the captain's armband for ManU a big part of this season? Why couldn't he do it for France? Him, or Toulalan, who is young, but a leader by example.

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i am not probably the best person to answer about it.. but i will give my view..

Toulalan is best known for his ''shy and humble demeanour'' and not his footballing ability. He protects his defense with authority' date=' his drive an energy, make him an important player for the team he plays.

[b']But he lacks pace, is not creative[/b] and not scores goals. In a modern football, is important all the players score goals, as it's even more hard than ever make it and he not does it. As he is the main man that recovers the balls, he needs to send it well to the attack( create danger, etc) or at least not miss (easy) passes.. a thing that i saw him do often..

And also because the other two were more important than him in the campaign of their clubs.. :o

L'Equipe only rated him with an average of 5,5. While Balmont had 6 and Pedretti 5,57.. :P but Toulalan have less 9 games than them..

Now, I think you've mistaken of person. It's Nicky Butt that you mean. Toulalan is technically excellent player, good passer of the ball.. There are not technically bad players coming from Nantes' youth academy, btw - they may not all succeed, but they all are great passers of the ball. Toulalan is no Chalmé of course, not a 90-98 passing percentage in every match, but it tends to be from 80 to 85, which, in OL's fast forward game, isn't really bad. OL loses a lot of balls, Toulalan amongst the fewest. Källström, considered a good passer of the ball, passes with a worse percentage of success and also loses way more balls. OL plays quite fast passing game and even though Toulalan is very defence minded player, he too almost always plays the ball fast forward, and still loses very low percentage of balls a match. OL tends to lose balls because of their style of playing. It's a super attacking team. In what was a difficult match against Lille, fast, hard pressing team, Lyon playing with 10 players from the 70th minute, he didn't only win god awful many duels, but also gave most of the passes for Lyon. Be it that percentage wasn't maybe huge, he no doubt made play more successfully than Lille's man on his place, Mavuba.

Toulalan wouldn't be where he is, and he wouldn't be 93 rated, if he hadn't skills. He is perhaps the best tackler in the world. Just check out his stats. He makes almost no fouls at all. For example, against Bordeaux, a difficult match, 1 foul made, but was fouled 4 times. Against Lille, fouled once, no fouls, against Montpellier, one foul for and two against. Meanwhile he wins a lot of duels in every match. Just him being in those duels already tells you that he is everywhere. Winning most of them tells about skills. He wouldn't be in all those duels if he was so slow. He isn't the fastest player, but he is not slow either. His anticipation and reading of game are beyond comparison, but even then, if he was very slow, he wouldn't be so successful tackler: somehow he almost always gets to greatly tackle from the good side, cleanly, taking the ball without fouling the opponent. I always admire the way how he can take out opponents in very difficult situations, and given the poor defence of both teams he plays for, there are these situations in every match.

About Toulalan's importance to his respective teams, although it is true that he doesn't score (but he has some assists every season, btw), that's not necesarily needed for these teams. Both of these teams have loads of attacking midfielders, particularly Lyon. In Lyon, young Gonalons aside, there are no other players playing well in the central defence, in midfield or in the back line. You can see how awkward Lyon's defence is without Lyon. Makoun and Källström together can't hold the AMs that Toulalan holds alone, Cris and Boumsong don't do it in defence, but Toulalan saves. With Toulalan, they can have the rest of the midfield playing high. For l'EDF, the problem is that there are two players of that kind in our midfield. That's waste of resources and complicates our attack too much. It's no use having Diarra with Toulalan, we should have more attack minded DM playing with Toulalan, just like Lyon has. Perhaps either Cabaye (who combines with also only defensive Mavuba in Lille) or Gourcuff should take over that position.

About Toulalan's notes, the French tradition of rating players, or anything else, is pretty strange. Balmont was, according to l'Equipe, the best midfielder in Ligue 1. We all know, that he isn't. Anyway, francefootball.fr ranked, in its game by game ratings, Toulalan as third best player of Lyon, right after Lisandro and Lloris, and quite equally with Lisandro. Toulalan is of huge importance for Lyon particularly and should not be overlooked. I think DM has got a good point in choosing Toulalan as a CB for his dream team. He is, aside Koscielny, the only CB who had no bad streak. Ciani was horrible on second half of the season, Diawara's mid season was quite bad, Planus lost some of touch in the end, be it that he was injured a lot of it, Rami went from good game to a bad one and back again through whole season, don't even mention Boum and Cris. Toulalan was solid always, and exceptional often, even if he should naturally be a DM. He played RB too, I think he didn't really profit playing these different positions all the time.

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Some transfer rumours:

Clement, well liked in Paris, wants a change and so would like to move to another club. Lille has been mentioned because of the good relation to Garcia. Now, if Cabaye is on leave, there would indeed be a place for Clement.

Niang has been approached by a club in... Qatar?!?! He is in the top of his career, so a move to Qatar would seem strange.

Audel to England? There has been interest and he indeed is going to leave and said that he prefers England.

Cerdan to Nancy? Maybe, now that Marchal went to ASSE after all.

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as i said, i am not expert in Ligue1.. at least i remember in see two bad passes of him that resulted in the opposite goals(2 in 38 suffered goals isn't much). And also saw him do mistakes in creating the attack.. i only gave my opinion based in games i saw that weren't all that he played.. B)

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Some transfer rumours:

Clement' date=' well liked in Paris, wants a change and so would like to move to another club. Lille has been mentioned because of the good relation to Garcia. Now, if Cabaye is on leave, there would indeed be a place for Clement.

Niang has been approached by a club in... Qatar?!?! He is in the top of his career, so a move to Qatar would seem strange.

Audel to England? There has been interest and he indeed is going to leave and said that he prefers England.

Cerdan to Nancy? Maybe, now that Marchal went to ASSE after all.[/quote']

Why should Clement leave Paris? Even though Paris are doing bad this season and the fact that they've been playing bad for several years in a row, I still rate them higher than Lille. PSG is a big club really. They've got some much exciting players and their starting eleven is strong. The only point in the starting lineup I would be worried about is the CB position alongside Sakho and possibly the LB position. The bench is a joke though. They need a bigger dpeth to succeed and take back their ''big club'' reputation around Europe. No disrespect to Lille, but I just feel this way.

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Re: French Ligue 1 and 2

French WC Premilinary Squad

Målvakter:

Hugo Lloris (Lyon),

Steve Mandanda (Marseille),

Cédric Carrasso (Bordeaux),

Mickaël Landreau (Lille)

Backar:

Bacary Sagna (Arsenal), Eric Abidal (Barcelona), William Gallas (Arsenal), Patrice Evra (Manchester United), Rod Fanni (Rennes), Adil Rami (Lille), Sébastien Squillaci (Sevilla), Gaël Clichy (Arsenal), Marc Planus (Bordeaux), Anthony Reveillère (Lyon).

Mittfältare:

Jérémy Toulalan (Lyon), Lassana Diarra (Real Madrid), Alou Diarra (Bordeaux), Yoann Gourcuff (Bordeaux), Abou Diaby (Arsenal), Yann M'Vila (Rennes), Florent Malouda (Chelsea).

Anfallare:

Sidney Govou (Lyon), Franck Ribéry (Bayern München), Thierry Henry (Barcelona), Nicolas Anelka (Chelsea), Djibril Cissé (Panathinaikos), André-Pierre Gignac (Toulouse), Mathieu Valbuena & Hatem Ben Arfa (Marseille), Jimmy Briand (Rennes).

As you can see... No Nasri, Benzema and Vieira. I get that Vieira should be cut, but Nasri and Benzema :eek: Benzema is having a though first year for Madrid, but he has been a part in the qualifications for WC for France. Nasri! How can you cut him, Mr I hate you so much my, A.K.A The Clown, Le Clown, Clowen, Domenech :eek: How can you cut him, explain!

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French WC Premilinary Squad

Målvakter:

Hugo Lloris (Lyon)' date='

Steve Mandanda (Marseille),

Cédric Carrasso (Bordeaux),

Mickaël Landreau (Lille)

[b']Backar: [/b]

Bacary Sagna (Arsenal), Eric Abidal (Barcelona), William Gallas (Arsenal), Patrice Evra (Manchester United), Rod Fanni (Rennes), Adil Rami (Lille), Sébastien Squillaci (Sevilla), Gaël Clichy (Arsenal), Marc Planus (Bordeaux), Anthony Reveillère (Lyon).

Mittfältare:

Jérémy Toulalan (Lyon), Lassana Diarra (Real Madrid), Alou Diarra (Bordeaux), Yoann Gourcuff (Bordeaux), Abou Diaby (Arsenal), Yann M'Vila (Rennes), Florent Malouda (Chelsea).

Anfallare:

Sidney Govou (Lyon), Franck Ribéry (Bayern München), Thierry Henry (Barcelona), Nicolas Anelka (Chelsea), Djibril Cissé (Panathinaikos), André-Pierre Gignac (Toulouse), Mathieu Valbuena & Hatem Ben Arfa (Marseille), Jimmy Briand (Rennes).

As you can see... No Nasri, Benzema and Vieira. I get that Vieira should be cut, but Nasri and Benzema :eek: Benzema is having a though first year for Madrid, but he has been a part in the qualifications for WC for France. Nasri! How can you cut him, Mr I hate you so much my, A.K.A The Clown, Le Clown, Clowen, Domenech :eek: How can you cut him, explain![/COLOR]

He is an idiot. How he is still in the job is amazing to me. When Scotland beat them in 2006 he blamed the ball boysfor being to slow:rolleyes:

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Re: French Ligue 1 and 2

French WC Premilinary Squad

Målvakter:

Hugo Lloris (Lyon)' date='

Steve Mandanda (Marseille),

Cédric Carrasso (Bordeaux),

Mickaël Landreau (Lille)

[b']Backar: [/b]

Bacary Sagna (Arsenal), Eric Abidal (Barcelona), William Gallas (Arsenal), Patrice Evra (Manchester United), Rod Fanni (Rennes), Adil Rami (Lille), Sébastien Squillaci (Sevilla), Gaël Clichy (Arsenal), Marc Planus (Bordeaux), Anthony Reveillère (Lyon).

Mittfältare:

Jérémy Toulalan (Lyon), Lassana Diarra (Real Madrid), Alou Diarra (Bordeaux), Yoann Gourcuff (Bordeaux), Abou Diaby (Arsenal), Yann M'Vila (Rennes), Florent Malouda (Chelsea).

Anfallare:

Sidney Govou (Lyon), Franck Ribéry (Bayern München), Thierry Henry (Barcelona), Nicolas Anelka (Chelsea), Djibril Cissé (Panathinaikos), André-Pierre Gignac (Toulouse), Mathieu Valbuena & Hatem Ben Arfa (Marseille), Jimmy Briand (Rennes).

As you can see... No Nasri, Benzema and Vieira. I get that Vieira should be cut, but Nasri and Benzema :eek: Benzema is having a though first year for Madrid, but he has been a part in the qualifications for WC for France. Nasri! How can you cut him, Mr I hate you so much my, A.K.A The Clown, Le Clown, Clowen, Domenech :eek: How can you cut him, explain!

Stupid,I mean I know M'vila has done well for Rennes this year but really how can you put a unproven player in a world cup squad preliminary or and arguably leave out your best central midfeilder?

I thought Capello dropped a few clangers for England but could understand why he did them,Dropping Benzema and Nasri just defies logic.

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My thoughts exactly. Nasri and Benzema would be very handy and with a player like Henry being still left in the NT is crazy. Benzema has had one though season in Spain' date=' but Henry has had 2 (last season was good for him IMO). So, why didn't Le Clown cut Henry for the Euro's '08 or for this WC? I swear, Le Clown would still pick Henry for the NT even though Henry would be injured and sit in a wheel-chair.

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You have to pick Henry though as his still a good player but should now have less of a role than he does within the side,if you can get a sensible coach in France they have a side that is capable of challenging Brazil and Spain,as it currently stands I fancy England,Holland and Germany to pose the threat if Brazil and Spain don't win.

For what it's worth I wouldn't have picked Ronaldinho either and I can give two simple reasons for that,the first one is Dunga plays a system and it requires on all 11 players putting in a shift and have a controlled gameplan and a set way of going about things,Ronaldinho is lazy and doesn't track back whatsoever and however good he is going forward it's not worth sacrificing the team to accomdate him,I mean look at what happened at WC06 when that happened.

The second point is that Milan and Barcelona changed system to 4-3-3 just for him and it doesn't seem to suit anyone else in the Brazil side,how would you feel if you were Nilmar for example and play brilliantly force you way and play in a system your comfortable in,then all of a sudden Ronaldinho comes in takes your place and the system is completely different the second the WC comes up,I know I'd be bloody annoyed as would the rest of the team meaning rifts within the camp start to happen and you will get poorer showings as a result.

As for Kaka,I agree he is insanely overrated now but he was top draw 3/4 years ago.

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