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End of an Era, beginning of Another...

The world of cricket has always reflected in its archives the changes in society-from the first referenced game (1677) played by British expats in Syria, Australian aborigines (1868) touring England, Apartheid boycott (1970) of South Africa and the rise of player power marked by the rise and dominance of the shorter forms of the game in the 2000's.

The era of Country over Club or even above personal issues seems long gone (as with other sports) and no event highlighted this point than the Inaugural tour of West Indies to South Africa and the infamous standoff at Heathrow airport prior to the initial 1998-99 tour of South Africa where Nelson Mandela stepped in to save the tour and saw a disinterested WI demolished by SA probably greatest team. Then in 2014, WI players decided to pull out due to a lack of synergy between themselves and their Union (WIPA), while their employers (WICB) ;hands in pocket, claimed the sanctuary of protocol. The WI A team wanted to follow suit but was "disencouraged" by technical director ViV Richards.

Then the consequences began to surface as the BCCI, the current mahout of the ICC threatened to sue for losses of more than $60m and claimed it was a " unilateral decision taken by the WICB and its players" while suspending all future tours to WI while separating IPL issues from national teams.

There is no question of the cash-strapped WICB being able to afford the damages India would seem likely to demand, and the loss of a planned home series against India in 2016 would bankrupt them anyway, so reliant are they – like the majority of other cricketing countries – on the television income generated by the game’s global giants.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/oct/21/india-west-indies-threat-double-punishment

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The end of cricket in the WI ..doubt it

The end of WI cricket ...potentially

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End of an Era' date=' beginning of Another...[/b']

The world of cricket has always reflected in its archives the changes in society-from the first referenced game (1677) played by British expats in Syria, Australian aborigines (1868) touring England, Apartheid boycott (1970) of South Africa and the rise of player power marked by the rise and dominance of the shorter forms of the game in the 2000's.

The era of Country over Club or even above personal issues seems long gone (as with other sports) and no event highlighted this point than the Inaugural tour of West Indies to South Africa and the infamous standoff at Heathrow airport prior to the initial 1998-99 tour of South Africa where Nelson Mandela stepped in to save the tour and saw a disinterested WI demolished by SA probably greatest team. Then in 2014, WI players decided to pull out due to a lack of synergy between themselves and their Union (WIPA), while their employers (WICB) ;hands in pocket, claimed the sanctuary of protocol. The WI A team wanted to follow suit but was "disencouraged" by technical director ViV Richards.

Then the consequences began to surface as the BCCI, the current mahout of the ICC threatened to sue for losses of more than $60m and claimed it was a " unilateral decision taken by the WICB and its players" while suspending all future tours to WI while separating IPL issues from national teams.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/oct/21/india-west-indies-threat-double-punishment

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The end of cricket in the WI ..doubt it

The end of WI cricket ...potentially

If Srinivasan remains the ring master of BCCI then WI are done for. He's like the Dowd of Cricket. He can stoop any low possible but thankfully theres some pressure on him atm although I'm not following everything. The head of BCCI should be Gavaskar or Kapil Dev or even Sachin. These guys wont cheat either because they are passionate about cricket or to keep their immense image or both. This is one way to keep check on BCCI otherwise they will gobble whatever little money WI board possess and more importantly take WI away from cricket. Would be a big blow as Cricket doesn't have many nation.

Whatever happens Cricket is becoming irritating by the day and I've pretty much stopped watching it apart from big test series'.

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If Srinivasan remains the ring master of BCCI then WI are done for. He's like the Dowd of Cricket. He can stoop any low possible but thankfully theres some pressure on him atm although I'm not following everything. The head of BCCI should be Gavaskar or Kapil Dev or even Sachin. These guys wont cheat either because they are passionate about cricket or to keep their immense image or both. This is one way to keep check on BCCI otherwise they will gobble whatever little money WI board possess and more importantly take WI away from cricket. Would be a big blow as Cricket doesn't have many nation.

Whatever happens Cricket is becoming irritating by the day and I've pretty much stopped watching it apart from big test series'.

Well to be fair they did send their secretary to mediate and I guess that hurts a bit more. The BCCI cares about what draws the crowds and I guess T20/ODI's provide that. So not expecting much favours in regards of test cricket.

Can't wait to see what the ICC does with respect to rankings and how the WI respond. Assuming they will not resolve the issues -since three sides have lawyered up- do they sent weakened sides to the World Cup/SA and would the other nations cricketing boards accept them?

In case you missed it Waqar Younis and Adam Gilchrist has been inducted in the ICC Cricket Hall of Fame..

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A Test average of over 50, a triple-hundred, a famous double-hundred against India in India, and a brilliant rearguard partnership to clinch Pakistan's 3-0 Test whitewash over England and now a couple of hundreds on the Trott..Kudos to Younis as he surpasses Inzamam by scoring his 26th century.

The WICB having been told of the ban on tours by the BCCI chooses to ....

send letters of reassurances to regional first class players -mines in the mail- to try to gain support for its actions it hasn't taken and about to take. Watch for a WI B/C side coming to your shores soon.

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Officially the highest century maker for Pakistan and the chief tormentor of an Aussie attack devoid of a couple top class bowlers..

Pakistan 570/6d

Australia 22/1 (5.2 ov)

Australia trail by 548 runs with 9 wickets remaining in the 1st innings

In other news- Sri Lanka is preparing for a beating as they replace the sorry WI in India on short notice..and Trott's back :eek:

After the 33 year old quitting the tour in last summers Ashes , and returning and quitting again in April he has been included in the Lions first class matches in South Africa..

“Jonathan Trott’s exceptional form and run scoring exploits for Warwickshire at the end of the summer has resulted in his selection for the first class fixtures at the beginning of the tour. Congratulations to him and to all of the players selected.”

National Selector James Whitaker

If the averages posted on the BBC http://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/county-championship-division-one/averages are anything to go by -one wonders if other criteria were used such as his leadership qualities?

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Australia 261 (Marsh 87, Imran 3-60) trail Pakistan 570 for 6 dec by 309 runs :(

Calling West Indies' pull-out midway into the India tour a "monumental disaster", the BCCI has slapped a US$41.97m damages claim on the WICB. The BCCI also suspended bilateral relations with the WICB till the dispute was resolved, and threatened legal action if the West Indies board didn't respond within 15 days.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/westindies/content/current/story/795001.html

Very much expected :o

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Misbah-ul-Haq needed just 21 balls to reach 50, bettering the record 24 taken by Jacques Kallis in 2005 and 56 balls.to reach his century...:eek:

Pakistan 570 for 6 dec and 293 for 3 dec (Azhar 100*, Misbah 101*) lead Australia 261 by 602 runs

The top fastest batting feats in Test cricket are:

1. 56 balls: Misbah Ul-Haq, 101 not out for Pakistan v Australia, 2nd Test in Abu Dhabi (2014)

1. 56 balls: Vivian Richards, 110 not out for West Indies v England, 5th Test at St John’s, Antigua (1986)

3. 57 balls; Adam Gilchrist, 102 not out for Australia v England, 3rd Test, WACA Ground, Perth (2006)

4. 67 balls; Jack Gregory, 119 for Australia v South Africa, 2nd Test, Old Wanderers, Johannesburg ( 1921)

5. 69 balls; Shivnarine Chanderpaul, 100 for West Indies v Australia, 1st Test, Bourda, Guyana (2003)

6. 69 balls; David Warner, 180 for Australia v India, 3rd Test, WACA Ground, Perth (2012)

The top fastest batting feats in ODI cricket are:

1. 36 balls: Corey Anderson, 131 not out for New Zealand v West Indies, 3rd ODI, Queenstown, Jan 2014

2. 37 balls; Shahid Afridi, 102 for Pakistan v Sri Lanka, 6th ODI, Nairobi Gymkhana Club (1996)

3. 44 balls; Mark Boucher, 147 not out for South Africa v Zimbabwe, 4th ODI, Senwes Park (2006)

4. 45 balls; Brian Lara, 117 for West Indies v Bangladesh, 2nd ODI, Dhaka (1999)

5. 45 balls; Shahid Afridi, 102 for Pakistan v India, 5th ODI, Kanpur (2005)

6. 48 balls; Sanath Jayasuriya, 134 for Sri Lanka v Pakistan, 1st ODI, Singapore (1996)

The top fastest batting feats in International T20 cricket are:

1. 45 balls; Richard Levi, 117 not out for South Africa v New Zealand, 2nd T20, Hamilton (2012)

2. 47 balls: Aaron Finch 156 for Australia v England, 1st T20, Rose Bowl (2013)

3. 50 balls; Chris Gayle, 117 for West Indies v South Africa, 1st T20, Johannesburg (2007)

4. 50 balls; Brendon McCullum, 116 not out, New Zealand v Australia, 2nd T20, Christchurch (2010)

5. 51 balls; Brendon McCullum, 123, New Zealand v Bangladesh, World Cup 5th T20, Pallekele (2012)

6. 55 balls; Tillakaratne Dilshan, 104 not out, Sri Lanka v Australia, 1st T20, Pallekele (2011)

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Pakistan 570 for 6 dec (Younis 213, Azhar 109, Misbah 101) and 293 for 3 dec (Misbah 101*, Azhar 100*) beat Australia 261 (Marsh 87) and 238 for 5 (Smith 97, Warner 58, Zulfiqar Babar 5-120) by 356 runs

Pretty impressive stuff against a really inefficient Aussie bowling unit, as Pakistan now move up to 3rd in the Test rankings, behind Australia and South Africa (#1).

Tensions between the WICB and the West Indies players have eased, and a way forward found, following meetings over the weekend, Caribbean newspapers have reported. That could mean West Indies' scheduled tour to South Africa in December will go ahead without hiccups.

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ICC awards nominees:

Sir Garfield Sobers Trophy for ICC Cricketer of the Year

AB de Villiers, Mitchell Johnson, Angelo Mathews, Kumar Sangakkara

ICC Test Cricketer of the Year

Mitchell Johnson, Angelo Mathews, Kumar Sangakkara, David Warner

ICC ODI Cricketer of the Year

Quinton de ****, AB de Villiers, Virat Kohli, Dale Steyn

ICC Women's ODI Cricketer of the Year

Charlotte Edwards, Mithali Raj, Sarah Taylor, Stafanie Taylor

ICC Emerging Cricketer of the Year

Corey Anderson, Gary Ballance, Jimmy Neesham, Ben Stokes

ICC Associate and Affiliate Cricketer of the Year

Calum MacLeod, Preston Mommsen, Mohammad Nabi, Samiullah Shenwari

ICC Twenty20 International Performance of the Year

Alex Hales - 116 not out v Sri Lanka, March 27, 2014

Aaron Finch -156 v England, August 29, 2013

Rangana Herath - 3.3-2-3-5 v New Zealand, March 31, 2014

ICC Women's T20I Cricketer of the Year

Charlotte Edwards, Meg Lanning, Mithali Raj, Stafanie Taylor

David Shepherd Trophy for ICC Umpire of the Year

All 12 members of the ICC's Elite Panel have been nominated

Teams of the Year

Test: David Warner, Kane Williamson, Kumar Sangakkara, AB de Villiers (wk), Joe Root, Angelo Mathews (capt), Mitchell Johnson, Stuart Broad, Dale Steyn, Rangana Herath, Tim Southee, Ross Taylor (12th man)

ODI: Mohammad Hafeez, Quinton de ****, Virat Kohli, George Bailey, AB de Villiers, MS Dhoni (capt & wk), Dwayne Bravo, James Faulkner, Dale Steyn, Mohammad Shami, Ajantha Mendis, Rohit Sharma (12th man)

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Tensions between the WICB and the West Indies players have eased' date=' and a way forward found, following meetings over the weekend, Caribbean newspapers have reported. That could mean West Indies' scheduled tour to South Africa in December will go ahead without hiccups.[/quote']

I do hope it gets sorted soon, I stopped reading about it early on because I found it a very sad situation ,especially when you consider there is more money in the game than there has ever been.

I am also looking forward to the new year test at Newlands because I have found myself in the situation of being a member for the first time through playing another sport within the cricket club.

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Looks like classless Virat Kohli once again shows he is not made for test cricket. A tail ender with the gift of finding gaps in the field or rather gaps find him.

Well he's done better than most tbf..

I do hope it gets sorted soon' date=' I stopped reading about it early on because I found it a very sad situation ,especially when you consider there is more money in the game than there has ever been.

I am also looking forward to the new year test at Newlands because I have found myself in the situation of being a member for the first time through playing another sport within the cricket club.[/quote']

Well it's been bizarre to say the least...

the WICB had a meeting with stakeholders and appointed a task force to deal with the matters and guess what two of the three members of the task force did not know they were members of the task force. Dwayne Bravo in SA for Ram Slam indicated everything's sorted, no victimization will occur etc...B)

then :eek: Dinesh Ramdin has been dropped as captain by the Trinidad board and a report on the BBC quoting local sources indicate all three captains (test/ODI and T20 ) will be changed. Then in regards to the IMO fair India demand, the board has been trying to get territories (read taxpayers) to pay for it.

An interesting point also that the figures quoted by the BCCI are not the final figures..expect them to go higher.

Poor Sri Lanka :o steps in at the last minute and suffering a pummeling in part due to lack of preparations.

Well Sachin's books out ..or excerpts of it at least and it seems to stir a bit of controversy ...

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Well it's been bizarre to say the least...

the WICB had a meeting with stakeholders and appointed a task force to deal with the matters and guess what two of the three members of the task force did not know they were members of the task force. Dwayne Bravo in SA for Ram Slam indicated everything's sorted' date=' no victimization will occur etc...B)

then :eek: Dinesh Ramdin has been dropped as captain by the Trinidad board and a report on the BBC quoting local sources indicate all three captains (test/ODI and T20 ) will be changed. Then in regards to the IMO fair India demand, the board has been trying to get territories (read taxpayers) to pay for it.

An interesting point also that the figures quoted by the BCCI are not the final figures..expect them to go higher.

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the sooner they come to an agreement with India, the better.

I cant help feeling that Windies, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe should take the long term view and invest in the youth in schools/ cricket clubs and its domestic set up, giving it a sound footing to build a national side that rewards its top players.

India and South Africa could be put into that bracket as well but they will put money first, all the time the national team are doing okay.

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the sooner they come to an agreement with India' date=' the better.

I cant help feeling that Windies, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe should take the long term view and invest in the youth in schools/ cricket clubs and its domestic set up, giving it a sound footing to build a national side that rewards its top players.

India and South Africa could be put into that bracket as well but they will put money first, all the time the national team are doing okay.[/quote']

The WICB lives in a place where the sun don't shine, since the light of day have never been reflected on it's operations. Sources in the local press indicate that team manager Richie Richardson's head is about to roll...

The only hope I see i that the two tier system comes into play, we play a couple seasons in the 2nd tier and get our house in order. WI cricket does not have the money or will to invest in youth cricket, Instead they live on the legacy of the great sides gone before.

Bangladesh all-rounder Shakib Al Hasan has become only the third player in history to take 10 wickets and score a century in a Test match. :eek:

Great job , now if only it wasn't against Zimbabwe.

I see England has appointed Ramprakash as batting coach, at first glance it looks a bit underwhelming with Ramprakash scored 114 first-class centuries but averaged only 27.32 from his 52 Tests for England. He has been working with Middlesex since his retirement, however looking at the league table Middlesex lie in the bottom 3 gaining a dismal 30 batting points compared to leader Yorkshire's 48.

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Heres a interesting article by Tim Wigmore on Papua New Guinea. They even have a former english player in their team.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/796801.html?CMP=NLC-DLY

They may be returning the favor since approximately 61 England Test Cricketers Have Been Born Abroad (courtesy of Roar)

AUSTRALIA: Billy Murdoch' date=' John Ferris, Sammy Woods, Albert Trott, "Gubby" Allen, Adam Hollioake, Ben Hollioake, Jason Gallian, Tim Ambrose.

SOUTH AFRICA: Basil D’Oliviera, Tony Greig, Ian Greig, Allan Lamb, Chris Smith, Robin Smith, Andrew Strauss, Kevin Pietersen, Matt Prior, Ian Trott.

WEST INDIES: Lord Harris, Pelham Warner, Roland Butcher, Norman Cowans, Wilf Slack, Gladstone Small, Phillip DeFreitas, Devon Malcolm, Chris Lewis, Neil Williams, Joseph Benjamin.

NEW ZEALAND: Andy Caddick.

INDIA: K.S. Ranjitsinhji ("Ranji"), Edward Wynyard, Richard Young, Neville Tufnell, Douglas Jardine, K.S. Duleepsinhji ("Duleep"), Nawab of Pataudi, Sr., Errol Holmes, Norman Mitchell-Innes, George Emmett, Colin Cowdrey, John Jameson, Bob Woolmer, Robin Jackman, Nasser Hussain, Minal Patel.

PAKISTAN: Usman Afzaal, Owais Shah.

ZIMBABWE (formerly Rhodesia): Graeme Hick, Paul Parker.

KENYA: Derek Pringle.

ZAMBIA: Phil Edmonds, Neil Radford.

GERMANY: Donald Carr, Paul Terry.

ITALY: Ted Dexter.

PERU: Freddie Brown.

HONG KONG: Dermot Reeve.

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PAPUA NEW GUINEA: Geraint Jones.[/b]

DENMARK: Amjad Khan.

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Heres a interesting article by Tim Wigmore on Papua New Guinea. They even have a former english player in their team.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/796801.html?CMP=NLC-DLY

Geraint Jones has been playing for them for quite a while now, one of ICC better regulations is letting players play for the smaller nations when they have already played for a test playing nation.

Geraint was the WK who took the match winning catch in what was arguably the best test match in recent times, in the fantastic 2005 Ashes series.

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Pakistan are playing like world beaters lately, I cant work out whether it is because they have put money on themselves to win or because they havn't put money on the opposition to win.

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Pakistan are playing like world beaters lately' date=' I cant work out whether it is because they have put money on themselves to win or because they havn't put money on the opposition to win.[/quote']

Is Lou Vincent still about?

Nah even better they have paid the ground staff to prepare low slow wickets, so their batsmen can ground the opposition into the ground with 2 days out on the toil, then have their fast and furious seamers have a go until day 3 when their spinners come into play.

On that front

“There is a provision now in the revised code which will allow a player who has been banned internationally to play domestic cricket a certain period up from his ban coming to an end.” -ICC chief executive David Richardson

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New Zealand 262 and 69 for 3 (Williamson 0*) need another 411 runs to beat Pakistan 566 for 3 dec and 175 for 2 dec (Hafeez 101*)

Bangladesh 303 for 2 (Imrul 130, Tamim 109) v Zimbabwe broker all sorts of records but lets face it -all runs are not equal.

Viewers will be able to hear the communications between the TV umpire and the on-field officials in the upcoming one-day series between Australia and South Africa, and possibly during some matches at next year's World Cup

....now this may be the start of an interesting experiment

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whilst it may sound interesting for us to hear, do we need to put umpires under more pressure?

with all the technology being tested and used in recent years, the poor umpires sometime get a lot of flack for decisions that are very hard for them to judge and now they have to watch what they say and how they say it.

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whilst it may sound interesting for us to hear' date=' do we need to put umpires under more pressure?

with all the technology being tested and used in recent years, the poor umpires sometime get a lot of flack for decisions that are very hard for them to judge and now they have to watch what they say and how they say it.[/quote']

We do, we do...I am all for it. How often have we seen pivotal moments swung one way or the other based on the man in the middle decisions? With the growth in match fixing/spot fixing who better to bribe than the man shrouded in white and secrecy? Wish Football would take the same approach and have referees give interviews at the end of matches and not rely on tell all autobiographies etc.

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We do' date=' we do...I am all for it. How often have we seen pivotal moments swung one way or the other based on the man in the middle decisions? With the growth in match fixing/spot fixing who better to bribe than the man shrouded in white and secrecy? Wish Football would take the same approach and have referees give interviews at the end of matches and not rely on tell all autobiographies etc.[/quote']

good point, and I supposed it would too rude just to have the microphones on the Asian umpires?

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