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So far ive been extremely happy with these ratings. Alot of money spinners for my big teams. And my new Bury team looks very good now lol. I got Sandro for 1.1 mill and now hes worth 9.7 million :D awesome!

Ive still got

Victor Ramos (Dunno if I have to wait for Belguim though)

Joao Paulo

Wallyson

Everton Silva

Anderson Lessa

And the one im looking forward to most. Paoulo Henrique!

Im also going to bid a bid in for Welinton, hopefully it gets accepted before he rises.

Thanks once again Insider. Your scouting is always very helpful to get the big increases :)

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Just read the updated 1st post and saw andre luis went up to 87. I bought him in 1 of my GC teams as he was the only decent defender left and though his 86 was safe. I think its the first time i bought a player who went up without me even thinking there was a small chance he would increase!

Same here i bought him as a extra cb just for a bit of depth for my gc flamengo team a couple of days ago and he went up to a 87 today which i did not expect at all happy days.

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Anybody else surprised by the across-the-board strength of these Brazilian rating changes ? At this rate Paulo Henrique is going to go 71>89:rolleyes: !!!

I don't know how many of these players I've seen go 75>84 (or something like that). Seems like almost every single one....

Some random random thoughts:

(1) I wonder if SM are raising the median ratings level in Brazil...(say from 83 to 84). In which case 84s become 85s and 80s become 82s... Just a rising of all boats (so-to-speak).

(2) Another way-out thought is that SM may be taking the stance that compared to other country leagues (England' date=' France, etc...), these young Brazilian players are able to develop their talent at a more accelerated pace (up to a certain level) because they are given the opportunity to do it during actual meaningful league games. In fact they are putting the Brazilian league at least on par (from a ratings perspective) with the very top European leagues when it comes to this. Here's one example:

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[*]Muriqui goes to 85 (+11) playing essentially half a season for a mid-table team in Brazil

[*]Asamoah goes to 85 (+10) playing essentially half a season for a mid-table UEFA team in Serie A.

[*]Collison goes to 85 (+10) playing essentially half a season for a top-half team in the EPL

[*]Lassad goes to 84 (+9) playing essentially half a season for a top-half team in La Liga

Who knows, maybe this example isn't enough to support this, but from these most recent ratings you can make the argument that SM is essentially saying that young players in Brazil are developing at the same pace/skill-level as the young players in the Serie A, the EPL, and La Liga.

Who knows...that might entirely be the case. Maybe these players actually ARE developing at an equivalent or faster rate than those players playing in the Top leagues in Europe. The obvious reason for this is that they get actual meaningful consistent game time, where someone like Jack Wilshere or Keko won't come anywhere close to breaking past an 84 this time around despite both being immensely immensely talented.

If that's their stance then it will be interesting to see how SM address the developing players in Europe who are also seeing consistent game time. After all the amount of hours spent by a young Brazilian player playing futbol every week is comparable to a young English player playing futbol every week. So in theory IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY a good player in England has the same ability to improve their game as a good player in Brazil.

Jack Rodwell went +5 to 83 @ Everton last year. He's an 83 when Adilson @ Gremio just went +5 to 85. Come on now... Can't even mention those players in the same breath.

SM may be significantly weighing game time as one if not THE biggest determining factor in determining rating for younger players just hitting their inflection points....with the stress in that sentence being "YOUNGER PLAYERS HITTING THEIR INFLECTION POINTS".

To follow the logic that good young players who see "actual meaningful consistent game time" are going to see their ratings increase, then those good young players in Europe (who haven't been submersed into United's & Barca's youth academies) and who are plying their wares in League Two or the Coca-Cola League (as examples) should be rated higher.

Maybe Fabian Delph shouldn't have topped out at an 80 @ Leeds. I'd put him up against almost any of these Brazilians that went +5,+6,+7, +8 today. After all, you can't effectively argue that his development as a young very good player is any less than Danilo Silva's, who just went +8 to 82.

Maybe England U21 (recent savior) Scott Loach shouldn't have topped out at an 81 @ Watford last year, considering that 22yr-old Denis @ Sao Paulo just went to 84. Hard to argue that Denis developed faster than Loach.

I realize the overall league rating differences between League Two/Championship/Brazileirao, but certainly young player development isn't so far different as these SM ratings would have you believe....Especially for players in Europe who are seeing the same amount of game time as their Brazilian counterparts.

Who knows maybe these ratings are telling us that SM is putting Brazil on equal par with ALL of the Top European leagues in terms of young players who are just hitting their respective inflection points. In the Delph/Danilo Silva example from above, Brazil is certainly far in front of League Two for young players from SM's perspective. And from the Loach/Denis example above, Brazil is certainly far in front of the Championship for young players. And from the Asamoah/Collison/Lassad/Muriqui example from above, Brazil is on pace with the Serie A/EPL/La Liga.

To take it a step further, if that is true, then the researchers have set it up that if you are going to invest in a young player for the most part you can forget about any players in Europe. After all (1) good young players are rarely given a chance in the top European leagues and (2) those young good players that are given the opportunity to develop during "meaningful games" week-in and week-out are going to run into league rating ceilings (e.g. Delph/Loach).

Bottom line : For young developing talent who will make a ratings impact in SM, forget about Europe. Brazil is the place to to be. You can throw Argentina in there, too...

Anyway.... just some random (and I mean "random") thoughts...

Do you really rate Keko that much? I have him, but was going to offload him since he didn't rise at all in the last ratings. Don't know much about him though - will he rise at all in the next ratings? What could he reach? Ta

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Do you really rate Keko that much? I have him' date=' but was going to offload him since he didn't rise at all in the last ratings. Don't know much about him though - will he rise at all in the next ratings? What could he reach? Ta[/quote']

I'll step in here: Keko is very young, and talented. Wilshere is very young and Uber Talented.

Keko made his debut at a young age; and so made it onto the database for a big team at a younga age, and therefore there's a big furore. Keko could (and should) hit 90 eventually, but don't expect a rise of more than 1 or 2 this time around, unless he develops amazingly overnight.

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Da Silva Jucilei

Sell now or open to further ratings improvement?

I'd say keep for sure, Corinthians are going places, and they're in a big hurry to get there! Soon the names Boquita, Jucilei, Dentinho and Elias will be on the lips of big European clubs...

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Thanks for the info

You're welcome. If you want a definitive list of keepers, then ask Mark, he's the authority on this thing, but I know for sue that Sandro, Toloi, Jucilei, Neymar, Douglas Costa, Boquita, Denis, Jean, Elias and Uendel aren't to be sold!

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Ronaldo not change ??? ridiculous!!!!!!!:mad:he has returned to play well, has scored several goals and is considered better than Borges, Felipe (goias), Whashington and others...

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Moreover in my opinion

Chicão up to 88 not 87

Elias up to 87 not 86

Alessandro up 87 not 85

Dentinho up to 87 not 86

Taison up to 87 not 85

Rogério Ceni down 88 not 91

wagner love - 92 not 91

D'Alessandro down 88 not 90

Kleber (internacional) down 88 not 90

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Ronaldo not change ??? ridiculous!!!!!!!he has returned to play well' date=' has scored several goals and is considered better than Borges, Felipe (goias), Whashington and others...

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Moreover in my opinion

Chicão up to 88 not 87

Elias up to 87 not 86

Alessandro up 87 not 85

Dentinho up to 87 not 86

Taison up to 87 not 85

Rogério Ceni down 88 not 91

wagner love - 92 not 91

D'Alessandro down 88 not 90

Kleber (internacional) down 88 not 90

I think that there may be more ratings done that should've been done today, Ronaldo's last rating change still shows that he went down 3 in January; hopefully meaning that SM are deliberating over what to rise him to! :D

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Why did Vagner Love drop????:confused: I think he was like top scorer in the Russian premiership like 3 years running and if SM say it's because he's moved to a lower rated club then they're going against them selves because they said if a player moves to a club his rating won't be affected by the move still by how he plays.

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Why did Vagner Love drop????:confused: I think he was like top scorer in the Russian premiership like 3 years running and if SM say it's because he's moved to a lower rated club then they're going against them selves because they said if a player moves to a club his rating won't be affected by the move still by how he plays.

Big debate about this... 10 Games and 11 goals for CSKA before he went on loan to Palmeiras, so how can they drop him down!?

SM are, as you said, breaking their own rules by dropping his rating purely because he moved club, and this would appear to be because the Rating Cap in the Brasileirao is 91.

It's the only possible explanation hat I can think of, the raters are having a mixed bag here. :confused:

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Big debate about this... 10 Games and 11 goals for CSKA before he went on loan to Palmeiras' date=' so how can they drop him down!?

SM are, as you said, breaking their own rules by dropping his rating purely because he moved club, and this would appear to be because the [b']Rating Cap in the Brasileirao is 91.[/b]

It's the only possible explanation hat I can think of, the raters are having a mixed bag here. :confused:

Maybe but then that means SM are just bias to different leagues, what if Vagner Love foes there and scores like 20 gaols in 10 games, imo entirely possible for a player like him, will he still be 91? No worthy of a rating at least 93. SM have made some pretty small mistakes in the time I've been on here but this has to be the biggest mistake of the lot!

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Hey, earlier this morning I put in a bid for reis Wellington, do you think this will go through before the ratings changes?

Ive also put in a bid for Everton Silva, just now, but Im less positive about that going through before the changes.

Lol, Ive only got 208k left, so I wanted to get as many possible risers with whats left.

Thanks for the Muriqui heads up, +11, its so helpful when you're a team receiving less money than the bigger clubs, who have all the top players, and never sell them unless you offer way over their valuation. Thanks alot.

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Maybe but then that means SM are just bias to different leagues' date=' what if Vagner Love foes there and scores like 20 gaols in 10 games, imo entirely possible for a player like him, will he still be 91? No worthy of a rating at least 93. SM have made some pretty small mistakes in the time I've been on here but this has to be the biggest mistake of the lot![/quote']

I can think of many, many many, many more mistakes, not only with ratings, but everything else.

Its not end of the world, end of the day Brazilian ratings dont get done that often, it might just take into account that and because there is a cap why not reduce him now instead of 6 months time ?

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Thanks MSF your predictions were spot in in most cases, if anything your predictions were ever so slightly under.

Thanks a lot great to have someone with such an honest and educated review of the league when there seem to be many people vastly over predicting potential risers.

Should be all set for an easy cruise through Div 4 with 7 teams due to your knowledge of Brazilian football.:)

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