Phil (GT) 9,208 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Cheap high risers (from 70's to 81) Wolfgang Hesl (Hamburger SV) 75 -> 75-79 - rose to 78 Stefan Reinartz (Bayer Leverkusen) 74 -> 79-81 - rose to 80 Carlos Zambrano (FC Schalke 04) 80 -> 84/85 - rose to 84 Levan Kenia (FC Schalke 04) 80 -> 82-84 - rose to 82 Christoph Moritz (FC Schalke 04) 75 -> 80-82 - rose to 82 Lukas Schmitz (FC Schalke 04) 75 -> 77/78 - rose to 80 Holger Badstuber (Bayern München) 80 -> 85-87 - rose to 85 Thomas Müller (Bayern München) 80 -> 85/86 - rose to 85 Philipp Bargfrede (Werder Bremen) 78 -> 81/82 - rose to 83 Boris Vukcevic (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 75 -> 77/78 - rose to 77 Andre Schürrle (1. FSV Mainz 05) 72 -> 80-82 - rose to 80 Roman Neustädter (Borussia Mönchengladbach) 75 -> 77/78 - rose to 78 Marco Reus (Borussia Mönchengladbach) 80 -> 82/83 - didn't rise Valdet Rama (Hannover 96) 81 -> 83/84 - rose to 82 Georg Niedermeier (VfB Stuttgart) 80 -> 82/83 - rose to 82 Julian Schieber (VfB Stuttgart) 78 -> 82/83 - rose to 82 NOW Dennis Diekmeier (1. FC Nürnberg) 78 -> 84/85 - rose to 84 Dominik Maroh (1. FC Nürnberg) 78 -> 82/83 - rose to 83 Havard Nordtveit (1. FC Nürnberg) 80 -> 81/82 - rose to 82 Ilkay Gündogan (1. FC Nürnberg) 75 -> 78/79 - rose to 78 Marcel Risse (1. FC Nürnberg) 75 -> 79/80 - rose to 78 Manuel Salz (SC Freiburg) 76 -> 78 - rose to 78 Felix Bastians (SC Freiburg) 80 -> 83-85 - rose to 83 Julian Schuster (SC Freiburg) 80 -> 82/83 - rose to 83 Philipp Heerwagen (VFL Bochum) 80 -> 82/83 - rose to 83 Cheap risers from the 2. Bundesliga Michael Parensen (1. FC Union Berlin) 73 -> 78 - rose to 77 Patrick Kohlmann (1. FC Union Berlin) 77 -> 81-83 - rose to 80 Michael Bemben (1. FC Union Berlin) 78 -> 80-82 - rose to 80 John Jairo Mosquera (1. FC Union Berlin) 77 -> 82/83 - rose to 82 Kenan Sahin (1. FC Union Berlin) 78 -> 81/82 - rose to 80 Tobias Sippel (1. FC Kaiserslautern) 82 -> 84 - rose to 83 Georges Mandjeck (1. FC Kaiserslautern) 77 -> 81 - rose to 82 Rodnei (1. FC Kaiserslautern) 80 -> 82/83 - rose to 83 Bastian Schulz (1. FC Kaiserslautern) 80 -> 82 - rose to 82 Sidney Sam (1. FC Kaiserslautern) 82 -> 84 - rose to 83 Davidson Drobo-Ampen (FC St. Pauli) 75 -> 79/80 - rose to 78 Deniz Naki (FC St. Pauli) 77 -> 82-84 - rose to 82 Rouwen Hennings (FC St. Pauli) 80 -> 82 - didn't rise Arne Feick (Arminia Bielefeld) 77 -> 82 - rose to 82 Michael Ratajczak (Fortuna Düsseldorf) 74 -> 80 - rose to 78 Soares Anderson (Fortuna Düsseldorf) 77 -> 81-83 - rose to 82 Hamza Cakir (Fortuna Düsseldorf) 79 -> 82/83 - didn't rise (lost his starting place on the day I posted this) Ranisav Jovanovic (Fortuna Düsseldorf) 79 -> 82/83 - rose to 81 Johannes van den Bergh (Fortuna Düsseldorf) 78 -> 82/83 - rose to 80 Oliver Fink (Fortuna Düsseldorf) 78 -> 83/82 - rose to 80 Andreas Lambertz (Fortuna Düsseldorf) 78 -> 82/83 - rose to 80 Sebastian Langkamp (Karlsruher SC) 75 -> 81-83 - rose to 80 Lars Stindl (Karlsruher SC) 80 -> 82/83 - rose to 82 Anton Fink (Karlsruher SC) 78 -> 81-83 - rose to 80 Sören Pirson (Rot-Weiss Oberhausen) 78 -> 81/82 - rose to 83 Moritz Stoppelkamp (Rot-Weiss Oberhausen) 78 -> 80/81 - rose to 80 Marco Caligiuri (Greuter Fürth) 78 -> 82 - rose to 81 Christopher Nöthe (Greuter Fürth) 76 -> 80-82 - rose to 82 Michael Schick (FC Augsburg) 75 -> 77/78 - rose to 77 Ibrahima Traore (FC Augsburg) 76 -> 80/81 - rose to 80 Sören Gonther (SC Paderborn 07) 78 -> 80 - rose to 80 Matthias Holst (SC Paderborn 07) 78 -> 80 - rose to 79 Enis Alushi (SC Paderborn 07) 77 -> 80 - rose to 80 Daniel Brückner (SC Paderborn 07) 75 -> 79/80 - rose to 81 Rolf-Christel Guie Mien (SC Paderborn 07) 77 -> 79/80 - rose to 80 Sebastian Schachten (SC Paderborn 07) 76 -> 79-81 - rose to 78 Manuel Junglas (Alemannia Aachen) 74 -> 79-81 - rose to 78 Herve Oussale (Alemannia Aachen) 72 -> 76/77 - rose to 76 Sandro Wagner (MSV Duisburg) 80 -> 82 - rose to 82 Aleksandar Ignjovski (TSV 1860 München) 76 -> 80-82 - rose to 80 Jose Holebas (TSV 1860 München) 78 -> 80/81 - rose to 80 Ovidiu Burca (Energie Cottbus) 76 -> 78-80 - rose to 80 Alexander Bittroff (Energie Cottbus) 76 -> 77-79 - rose to 78 Bastian Oczipka (Hansa Rostock) 78 -> 80 - rose to 80 Shqipran Skeraj (TuS Koblenz) 73 -> 77/78 - rose to 76 Cheap risers from the 3. Liga Rouven Sattelmeier (Jahn Regensburg) 75 -> 78/79 - rose to 78 Stefan Jarosch (Jahn Regensburg) 74 -> 77 - rose to 76 Jan Fießer (SV Sandhausen) 73 -> 77 - rose to 77 Manuel Riemann (Wacker Burghausen) 75 -> 77/78 - rose to 78 Christoph Burkhard (Wacker Burghausen) 75 -> 77 - rose to 77 Christian Cappek (Wacker Burghausen) 74 -> 77/78 - rose to 77 Fakri El Haj Ali (Wacker Burghausen) 73 -> 77 - rose to 77 Sven Schimmel (VfB Stuttgart II) 74 -> 77 - rose to 77 Christian Hain (SpVgg Unterhaching) 73 -> 76/77 - rose to 76 Orkan Balkan (SpVgg Unterhaching) 72 -> 76/77 - rose to 75 Mirko Boland (Eintracht Braunschweig) 73 -> 76/77 - rose to 76 Sebastian Rode (Kickers Offenbach) 72 -> 76 - rose to 77 Pierre le Beau (Erzgebirge Aue) 72 -> 76/77 - rose to 75 Marco Riemer (Carl Zeiss Jena) 75 -> 77/78 - rose to 76 Orlando Smeekes (Carl Zeiss Jena) 75 -> 78 - rose to 76 Tim Göhlert (1. FC Heidenheim) 73 -> 76/77 - rose to 77 Christian Essig (1. FC Heidenheim) 74 -> 77 - rose to 77 Dennis Baum (1. FC Heidenheim) 72 -> 75 - rose to 74 Dennis Malura (Rot-Weiß Erfurt) 74 -> 76/77 - rose to 75 Fabian Stenzel (Rot-Weiß Erfurt) 73 -> 75/76 - rose to 75 Tino Semmer (Rot-Weiß Erfurt) 74 -> 77 - rose to 77 Christopher Kullmann (Borussia Dortmund II) 74 -> 76/77 - rose to 77 Volker Oppitz (Dynamo Dresden) 73 -> 76 - rose to 76 Maik Kegel (Dynamo Dresden) 74 -> 76/77 - rose to 75 Florian Meyer (Holstein Kiel) 70 -> 75/76 - rose to 73 Kevin Maek (Werder Bremen II) 70 -> 75/76 - rose to 74 Onur Ayik (Werder Bremen II) 73 -> 75/76 - rose to 74 Mario Erb (Bayern München II) 70 -> 74-76 - rose to 73 Stefan Riess (Bayern München II) 70 -> 74-76 - rose to 74 Saer Sene (Bayern München II) 70 -> 75-77 - rose to 75 High-rated risers (82 onwards) Dennis Aogo (Hamburger SV) 86 -> 87/88 - rose to 88 Jerome Boateng (Hamburger SV) 87 -> 88/89 - rose to 89 Eljero Elia (Hamburger SV) 87 -> 88/89 - rose to 89 Benedikt Höwedes (FC Schalke 04) 86 -> 87/88 - rose to 88 Selim Teber (Eintracht Frankfurt) 84 -> 86/85 - rose to 85 Hans-Jörg Butt (Bayern München) 85 -> 87 - rose to 87 Sebastian Boenisch (Werder Bremen) 86 -> 87 - rose to 88 Isaac Vorsah (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 83 -> 84/85 - rose to 85 Tim Hoogland (1. FSV Mainz 05) 85 -> 86 - rose to 86 Nico Bungert (1. FSV Mainz 05) 84 -> 86 - rose to 85 Florian Heller (1. FSV Mainz 05) 84 -> 85/86 - rose to 85 Aristide Bance (1. FSV Mainz 05) 83 -> 85/86 - rose to 85 Logan Bailly (Borussia Mönchengladbach) 85 -> 86 - rose to 86 Christopher Heimeroth (Borussia Mönchengladbach) 83 -> 84 - didn't rise Tobias Levels (Borussia Mönchengladbach) 83 -> 85 - rose to 85 Marcel Schäfer (VfL Wolfsburg) 88 -> 89/90 - rose to 89 Christian Gentner (VfL Wolfsburg) 88 -> 89 - rose to 89 Grafite (VfL Wolfsburg) 89 -> 90/91 - rose to 90 Edin Dzeko (VfL Wolfsburg) 89 -> 90/91 - rose to 91 Konstantin Rausch (Hannover 96) 82 -> 85 - rose to 85 Didier Ya Konan (Hannover 96) 83 -> 84/85 - rose to 84 Christian Träsch (VfB Stuttgart) 83 -> 86/85 - rose to 85 Stefan Celozzi (VfB Stuttgart) 83 -> 84/85 - rose to 85 Timo Gebhart (VfB Stuttgart) 84 -> 86/87 - rose to 86 Marcel Schmelzer (Borussia Dortmund) 83 -> 84 - didn't rise Patrick Owomoyela (Borussia Dortmund) 86 -> 87/88 - rose to 87 Felipe Santana (Borussia Dortmund) 86 -> 87 - rose to 87 Nuri Sahin (Borussia Dortmund) 87 -> 88 - rose to 88 Du-Ri Cha (SC Freiburg) 83 -> 84/85 - rose to 85 Ivica Banovic (SC Freiburg) 83 -> 84/85 - rose to 85 Johannes Flum (SC Freiburg) 82 -> 84/85 - rose to 84 Adil Chihi (1. FC Köln) 83 -> 84/85 - didn't rise, stopped playing after I started this thread Mergim Mavraj (VFL Bochum) 82 -> 83/84 - rose to 83 Christoph Janker (Hertha BSC Berlin) 83 -> 85/86 - rose to 84 now Nemanja Pejcinovic (Hertha BSC Berlin) 82 -> 84/85 - rose to 84 Possible risers (stay or +1) Jonathan Pitroipa (Hamburger SV) 86 - didn't rise Marcus Berg (Hamburger SV) 89 - didn't rise Paolo Guerrero (Hamburger SV) 89 - didn't rise Michal Kadlec (Bayer Leverkusen) 88 - didn't rise Toni Kroos (Bayer Leverkusen) 85 -> 85-87 - rose to 86 Renato Augusto (Bayer Leverkusen) 89 - didn't rise Arturo Vidal (Bayer Leverkusen) 88 - didn't rise Stefan Kiessling (Bayer Leverkusen) 90 - didn't rise Eren Derdiyok (Bayer Leverkusen) 86 - rose to 87 Daniel van Buyten (Bayern München) 90 - didn't rise Manuel Neuer (FC Schalke 04) 90 - didn't rise Oka Nikolov (Eintracht Frankfurt) 86 - didn't rise Marco Russ (Eintracht Frankfurt) 87 - didn't rise Alexander Baumjohann (Bayern München) 85 - didn't rise Mesut Özil (Werder Bremen) 89 - rose to 90 Marko Marin (Werder Bremen) 89 - didn't rise Aaron Hunt (Werder Bremen) 87 - rose to 88 Claudio Pizarro (Werder Bremen) 89 - didn't rise Timo Hildbrand (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 88 - didn't rise Andreas Beck (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 88 - rose to 89 Marvin Compper (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 87 - didn't rise Sejad Salihovic (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 88 - rose to 89 Chinedu Obasi (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 87 - didn't rise Demba Ba (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 88 - didn't rise Diego Benaglio (VfL Wolfsburg) 89 - didn't rise Sascha Riether (VfL Wolfsburg) 88 - didn't rise Zvjezdan Misimovic (VfL Wolfsburg) 90 - didn't rise Sami Khedira (VfB Stuttgart) 89 - didn't rise Falcao Elson (VfB Stuttgart) 84 - didn't rise Marek Mintal (1. FC Nürnberg) 86 - didn't rise Weidenfeller (Borussia Dortmund) 88 - didn't rise Neven Subotic (Borussia Dortmund) 87 - rose to 88 Mats Hummels (Borussia Dortmund) 86 - rose to 87 Jakub Blaszczykowski (Borussia Dortmund) 88 - didn't rise Sebastian Kehl (Borussia Dortmund) 87 - didn't rise Kevin Grosskreutz (Borussia Dortmund) 82 - didn't rise Nelson Valdez (Borussia Dortmund) 87 - rose to 88 Heiko Butscher (SC Freiburg) 85 - didn't rise Pavel Krmas (SC Freiburg) 85 - didn't rise Cedric Makiadi (SC Freiburg) 84 - rose to 85 Mohammodou Idrissou (SC Freiburg) 85 - rose to 86 Kevin Pezzoni (1. FC Köln) 84 - rose to 85 Mimoun Azaouagh (VFL Bochum) 85 - rose to 86 Andreas Johansson (VFL Bochum) 83 - rose to 84 Daniel Imhof (VFL Bochum) 85 - didn't rise Patrick Ebert (Hertha BSC Berlin) 87 - didn't rise Gojko Kacar (Hertha BSC Berlin) 88 - didn't rise Maximilian Nicu (Hertha BSC Berlin) 87 - didn't rise Lukas Piszczek (Hertha BSC Berlin) 85 - didn't rise Definite droppers (Get rid asap) Alex Silva (Hamburger SV) 89 -> 88 - dropped to 88 Collin Benjamin (Hamburger SV) 87 -> 86 - dropped to 86 Bastian Reinhardt (Hamburger SV) 89 -> 88 - dropped to 88 Tomasz Zdebel (Bayer Leverkusen) 87 -> 86 - dropped to 86 Theofanis Gekas (Bayer Leverkusen) 89 -> 87 - dropped to 87 Albert Streit (FC Schalke 04) 88 -> 86 - dropped to 86 Mehdi Madavikia (Eintracht Frankfurt) 85 -> 84 - dropped to 84 Michael Rensing (Bayern München) 89 -> 87 - dropped to 87 Christian Lell (Bayern München) 89 -> 87 - dropped to 87 Andreas Görlitz (Bayern München) 86 -> 85 - didn't drop Breno (Bayern München) 87 -> 86 - dropped to 86 Andreas Ottl (Bayern München) 88 -> 87/86 - dropped to 87 Luca Toni (Bayern München) 94 -> 93/92 - dropped to 92 Daniel Jensen (Werder Bremen) 89 -> 88 - dropped to 88 Daniel Haas (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 86 -> 85 - dropped to 85 Ramazan Özcan (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 85 -> 83/82 - dropped to 84 Matthias Jaissle (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 86 -> 85 - didn't drop Paul Stalteri (Borussia Mönchengladbach) 85 -> 84 - didn't drop Juan Arango (Borussia Mönchengladbach) 91 -> 90/89 - dropped to 90 Rodrigo Alvim (VfL Wolfsburg) 85 -> 83 - didn't drop Ricardo Costa (VfL Wolfsburg) 87 -> 85 - didn't drop Valerian Ismael (Hannover 96) 86 -> 85/84 - retired Jan Schlaudraff (Hannover 96) 88 -> 87/86 - dropped to 86 Altin Lala (Hannover 96) 87 -> 86 - dropped to 85 Bergantin Vinicius (Hannover 96) 86 -> 85 - dropped to 85 Ricardo Osorio (VfB Stuttgart) 89 -> 88/87 - dropped to 88 Khalid Boulahrouz (VfB Stuttgart) 89 -> 88 - didn't drop Roberto Hilbert (VfB Stuttgart) 89 -> 88 - dropped to 88 Yildirai Bastürk (VfB Stuttgart) 87 -> 86/85 - dropped to 86 Ciprian Marica (VfB Stuttgart) 89 -> 88 - dropped to 88 Florian Kringe (Hertha BSC Berlin) 88 -> 87/86 - dropped to 86 Nuno Maniche (1. FC Köln) 91 -> 89 - dropped to 90 Armando Petit (1. FC Köln) 90 -> 89 - dropped to 89 Lukas Podolski (1. FC Köln) 91 -> 90 - dropped to 90 If you want any more detailed info on a player, disagree with one of the predictions or think that a player is missing from the list, please post. I'd also like to ask you to please use this thread for further discussion now instead of the Analysis 2008/2009 thread. yapple, J_C, Ian Eltringham and 16 others 19 Link to post Share on other sites
Halstinho 9,200 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 Looks great Phil. KIU Btw, I need to spread. I would be great if you made one about the 2. and 3. Liga. Link to post Share on other sites
yapple 3,622 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 Eren Derdiyok (Bayer Leverkusen) 85 -> 86 He's already 86. Will he increase to 87 then? or stay at 86 Great thread btw Link to post Share on other sites
nicky-internacional-659 201 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 Jerome Boateng (Hamburger SV) 87 -> 88/89 Will he change position or stay at DEF? Link to post Share on other sites
Phil (GT) 9,208 Posted September 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 He's already 86. Will he increase to 87 then? or stay at 86Great thread btw Should rise to 87 then' date=' has been a good replacement for Helmes. Will edit the list, but only put him into the possible risers section, not sure if SM will increase him just to let him drop in the changes after when Helmes is back again. Will he change position or stay at DEF? Might change to Def/DM if SM also look at U21 games, he started the recent qualifier as a defensive midfielder. Played RB and CB for Hamburg this season. Kieran Smith, KNVB and MCFC James 3 Link to post Share on other sites
nicky-internacional-659 201 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 ok thanks:) Link to post Share on other sites
PhilipM 341 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 great thread Phil:D what do u think about Gebhart's chances of rising? He has started 4 out of 5 games this season and played not too bad for someone his age... Link to post Share on other sites
Phil (GT) 9,208 Posted September 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 great thread Phil:Dwhat do u think about Gebhart's chances of rising? He has started 4 out of 5 games this season and played not too bad for someone his age... He'll rise, just forgot to add him to the list. Added now. Link to post Share on other sites
MCFC James 2,984 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 Nice Thread Phil! Am doing Division 4 challenge with Notts County and I have 3 German players! How Will they do in the next rating changes? They are: Niklas Andersen 77 Christian Trasch 83 Link to post Share on other sites
Jack14 72 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 Nice Thread Phil! Am doing Division 4 challenge with Notts County and I have 3 German players! How Will they do in the next rating changes? They are:Stefan Reinartz 74 Niklas Andersen 77 Christian Trasch 83 Read the thread no? Link to post Share on other sites
MCFC James 2,984 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 Read the thread no? What do you mean???? Link to post Share on other sites
Grotolo 546 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 are there any good risers in divisions 2 and 3?? because if not it's a waste of time for you:rolleyes: Link to post Share on other sites
Kieran Smith 1,042 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 super thread pal repped;) Link to post Share on other sites
Phil (GT) 9,208 Posted September 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 are there any good risers in divisions 2 and 3?? because if not it's a waste of time for you:rolleyes: There might be some +3/+4/+5 risers' date=' from the top of my head I can't think of any REAL gems or big money-makers though. There still should be some 10k youngsters nonetheless. Nice Thread Phil! Am doing Division 4 challenge with Notts County and I have 3 German players! How Will they do in the next rating changes? They are:Niklas Andersen 77 Christian Trasch 83 Niklas Andersen won't rise, he just plays for the reserves in the 3. Liga. Link to post Share on other sites
Grotolo 546 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 Can you just list some +4/5 risers from those divisions if you don't have anything better to do in these days?? (a bit selfish i know:o) Link to post Share on other sites
Phil (GT) 9,208 Posted September 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 Can you just list some +4/5 risers from those divisions if you don't have anything better to do in these days?? (a bit selfish i know:o) That's just what I was thinking of, I don't really watch enough to tell which players would deserve a drop performance-wise, but I could list some lower-rated players who got some playing time and will probably keep playing. Grotolo 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Grotolo 546 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 That's just what I was thinking of' date=' I don't really watch enough to tell which players would deserve a drop performance-wise, but I could list some lower-rated players who got some playing time and will probably keep playing.[/quote']yeah that would be great Link to post Share on other sites
KNVB 3,482 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 How confident do you feel about Manuel Neuer getting a +1 (in %) Link to post Share on other sites
Phil (GT) 9,208 Posted September 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 How confident do you feel about Manuel Neuer getting a +1 (in %) It all depends on Schalke's performance and what happens to with him in the NT. Ability-wise, he's not worse than Enke or Adler, but if he remains 3rd choice I'd say the chances are only 10% or so. However, if Schalke do well and are in the Top4/5 when the changes come and when he maybe gets another call-up or even game for Germany, it becomes more likely, maybe 50%. I still think that he'll move to a bigger club though in the near future (Schalke are obviously heavily in debt, and the German rules are quite strict compared to England or Spain where clubs can make hundreds of millions of debt), maybe Bayern in the winter break or even to a foreign club with an ageing keeper (there's been rumour of him going to ManU for example), and then he definitely can get to 93+. Link to post Share on other sites
Healy 121 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 V good Other posters say Ozil could get +2 and its looking more likely all the time;) Link to post Share on other sites
popliviut 48 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 It all depends on Schalke's performance and what happens to with him in the NT.Ability-wise' date=' he's not worse than Enke or Adler, but if he remains 3rd choice I'd say the chances are only 10% or so. However, if Schalke do well and are in the Top4/5 when the changes come and when he maybe gets another call-up or even game for Germany, it becomes more likely, maybe 50%. I still think that he'll move to a bigger club though in the near future (Schalke are obviously heavily in debt, and the German rules are quite strict compared to England or Spain where clubs can make hundreds of millions of debt), maybe Bayern in the winter break or even to a foreign club with an ageing keeper (there's been rumour of him going to ManU for example), and then he definitely can get to 93+.[/quote'] What about benaglio? Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny C 5,874 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 Great work on this thread Phil. V Helpful. RE: JUAN ARANGO Of the two times that I have seen Gladbach play this year (in that comeback by Bochum & the Hertha match) Arango looked pretty solid. Seemed like he was always dangerous not only with his passing but also his ability to create open space. Since he's taken his shot attempts significantly up, Gladbach have won two of the past three. Not being displaced by Reus (as some thought at the beginning of the year). In fact when Reus subs in, Reus has almost always been on the right-side with Arango remaining on the left. He had a good 2nd half of the season for Mallorca last year (7goals/5 assists), but more importantly was consistently good from January on. And for the Venezuelan NT (which is still in the mix) Arango seems to still have a hand in everything that they do. Certainly there's not enough there for a rise in rating, but on the face-of-it it's hard for me to see a drop either. Granted it's early in the season so it's hard to take rating averages seriously yet, but I see on the Kicker ratings that after rating him highly for the first few matches, that they don't have him rated very high for the past few. For the season so far I think Kicker has him currently as only ~ 20th in midfielder ratings for the overall league. Anyway, my analysis of him is based more off of stat-work rather than seeing him firsthand week-in and week-out. Curious what I am missing with my analysis of him and why you think he is a definite dropper this ratings change. Link to post Share on other sites
Phil (GT) 9,208 Posted September 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 Great work on this thread Phil. V Helpful.RE: JUAN ARANGO Of the two times that I have seen Gladbach play this year (in that comeback by Bochum & the Hertha match) Arango looked pretty solid. Seemed like he was always dangerous not only with his passing but also his ability to create open space. Since he's taken his shot attempts significantly up' date=' Gladbach have won two of the past three. Not being displaced by [b']Reus[/b] (as some thought at the beginning of the year). In fact when Reus subs in, Reus has almost always been on the right-side with Arango remaining on the left. He had a good 2nd half of the season for Mallorca last year (7goals/5 assists), but more importantly was consistently good from January on. And for the Venezuelan NT (which is still in the mix) Arango seems to still have a hand in everything that they do. Certainly there's not enough there for a rise in rating, but on the face-of-it it's hard for me to see a drop either. Granted it's early in the season so it's hard to take rating averages seriously yet, but I see on the Kicker ratings that after rating him highly for the first few matches, that they don't have him rated very high for the past few. For the season so far I think Kicker has him currently as only ~ 20th in midfielder ratings for the overall league. Anyway, my analysis of him is based more off of stat-work rather than seeing him firsthand week-in and week-out. Curious what I am missing with my analysis of him and why you think he is a definite dropper this ratings change. Yeah, certainly he hasn't played bad, but going from Mallorca to Gladbach is a step backwards, and SM are usually harsh if players move to "lesser" leagues and clubs. It's just that Mönchengladbach are too bad as a club to have a 91 in their team. Similar to what happened to Petit at Köln, despite being of the best players if not the best in the team, it's impossible to keep such a high rating at a club who are usually fighting against relegation. 01rhall and Johnny C 2 Link to post Share on other sites
BayernSupporter 11 Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 About Müller, I actually think if he manages to keep playing as he is now, he could hit 85 or even 86. Ozil is also the second top scorer in the Bundesliga if i am not wrong. Maybe he can hit a 90 or 91. Also, what do you think about Pranjic's chances of going up? Link to post Share on other sites
Biscuit 714 Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 Will Trochowski stay as a winger or will he change to an AM. About to bid for him, but not if he's going to change Link to post Share on other sites
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