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Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009 (2010 edition available now)

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Cheap high risers (from 70's to 81)

Wolfgang Hesl (Hamburger SV) 75 -> 75-79 - rose to 78

Stefan Reinartz (Bayer Leverkusen) 74 -> 79-81 - rose to 80

Carlos Zambrano (FC Schalke 04) 80 -> 84/85 - rose to 84

Levan Kenia (FC Schalke 04) 80 -> 82-84 - rose to 82

Christoph Moritz (FC Schalke 04) 75 -> 80-82 - rose to 82

Lukas Schmitz (FC Schalke 04) 75 -> 77/78 - rose to 80

Holger Badstuber (Bayern München) 80 -> 85-87 - rose to 85

Thomas Müller (Bayern München) 80 -> 85/86 - rose to 85

Philipp Bargfrede (Werder Bremen) 78 -> 81/82 - rose to 83

Boris Vukcevic (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 75 -> 77/78 - rose to 77

Andre Schürrle (1. FSV Mainz 05) 72 -> 80-82 - rose to 80

Roman Neustädter (Borussia Mönchengladbach) 75 -> 77/78 - rose to 78

Marco Reus (Borussia Mönchengladbach) 80 -> 82/83 - didn't rise

Valdet Rama (Hannover 96) 81 -> 83/84 - rose to 82

Georg Niedermeier (VfB Stuttgart) 80 -> 82/83 - rose to 82

Julian Schieber (VfB Stuttgart) 78 -> 82/83 - rose to 82 NOW

Dennis Diekmeier (1. FC Nürnberg) 78 -> 84/85 - rose to 84

Dominik Maroh (1. FC Nürnberg) 78 -> 82/83 - rose to 83

Havard Nordtveit (1. FC Nürnberg) 80 -> 81/82 - rose to 82

Ilkay Gündogan (1. FC Nürnberg) 75 -> 78/79 - rose to 78

Marcel Risse (1. FC Nürnberg) 75 -> 79/80 - rose to 78

Manuel Salz (SC Freiburg) 76 -> 78 - rose to 78

Felix Bastians (SC Freiburg) 80 -> 83-85 - rose to 83

Julian Schuster (SC Freiburg) 80 -> 82/83 - rose to 83

Philipp Heerwagen (VFL Bochum) 80 -> 82/83 - rose to 83

Cheap risers from the 2. Bundesliga

Michael Parensen (1. FC Union Berlin) 73 -> 78 - rose to 77

Patrick Kohlmann (1. FC Union Berlin) 77 -> 81-83 - rose to 80

Michael Bemben (1. FC Union Berlin) 78 -> 80-82 - rose to 80

John Jairo Mosquera (1. FC Union Berlin) 77 -> 82/83 - rose to 82

Kenan Sahin (1. FC Union Berlin) 78 -> 81/82 - rose to 80

Tobias Sippel (1. FC Kaiserslautern) 82 -> 84 - rose to 83

Georges Mandjeck (1. FC Kaiserslautern) 77 -> 81 - rose to 82

Rodnei (1. FC Kaiserslautern) 80 -> 82/83 - rose to 83

Bastian Schulz (1. FC Kaiserslautern) 80 -> 82 - rose to 82

Sidney Sam (1. FC Kaiserslautern) 82 -> 84 - rose to 83

Davidson Drobo-Ampen (FC St. Pauli) 75 -> 79/80 - rose to 78

Deniz Naki (FC St. Pauli) 77 -> 82-84 - rose to 82

Rouwen Hennings (FC St. Pauli) 80 -> 82 - didn't rise

Arne Feick (Arminia Bielefeld) 77 -> 82 - rose to 82

Michael Ratajczak (Fortuna Düsseldorf) 74 -> 80 - rose to 78

Soares Anderson (Fortuna Düsseldorf) 77 -> 81-83 - rose to 82

Hamza Cakir (Fortuna Düsseldorf) 79 -> 82/83 - didn't rise (lost his starting place on the day I posted this)

Ranisav Jovanovic (Fortuna Düsseldorf) 79 -> 82/83 - rose to 81

Johannes van den Bergh (Fortuna Düsseldorf) 78 -> 82/83 - rose to 80

Oliver Fink (Fortuna Düsseldorf) 78 -> 83/82 - rose to 80

Andreas Lambertz (Fortuna Düsseldorf) 78 -> 82/83 - rose to 80

Sebastian Langkamp (Karlsruher SC) 75 -> 81-83 - rose to 80

Lars Stindl (Karlsruher SC) 80 -> 82/83 - rose to 82

Anton Fink (Karlsruher SC) 78 -> 81-83 - rose to 80

Sören Pirson (Rot-Weiss Oberhausen) 78 -> 81/82 - rose to 83

Moritz Stoppelkamp (Rot-Weiss Oberhausen) 78 -> 80/81 - rose to 80

Marco Caligiuri (Greuter Fürth) 78 -> 82 - rose to 81

Christopher Nöthe (Greuter Fürth) 76 -> 80-82 - rose to 82

Michael Schick (FC Augsburg) 75 -> 77/78 - rose to 77

Ibrahima Traore (FC Augsburg) 76 -> 80/81 - rose to 80

Sören Gonther (SC Paderborn 07) 78 -> 80 - rose to 80

Matthias Holst (SC Paderborn 07) 78 -> 80 - rose to 79

Enis Alushi (SC Paderborn 07) 77 -> 80 - rose to 80

Daniel Brückner (SC Paderborn 07) 75 -> 79/80 - rose to 81

Rolf-Christel Guie Mien (SC Paderborn 07) 77 -> 79/80 - rose to 80

Sebastian Schachten (SC Paderborn 07) 76 -> 79-81 - rose to 78

Manuel Junglas (Alemannia Aachen) 74 -> 79-81 - rose to 78

Herve Oussale (Alemannia Aachen) 72 -> 76/77 - rose to 76

Sandro Wagner (MSV Duisburg) 80 -> 82 - rose to 82

Aleksandar Ignjovski (TSV 1860 München) 76 -> 80-82 - rose to 80

Jose Holebas (TSV 1860 München) 78 -> 80/81 - rose to 80

Ovidiu Burca (Energie Cottbus) 76 -> 78-80 - rose to 80

Alexander Bittroff (Energie Cottbus) 76 -> 77-79 - rose to 78

Bastian Oczipka (Hansa Rostock) 78 -> 80 - rose to 80

Shqipran Skeraj (TuS Koblenz) 73 -> 77/78 - rose to 76

Cheap risers from the 3. Liga

Rouven Sattelmeier (Jahn Regensburg) 75 -> 78/79 - rose to 78

Stefan Jarosch (Jahn Regensburg) 74 -> 77 - rose to 76

Jan Fießer (SV Sandhausen) 73 -> 77 - rose to 77

Manuel Riemann (Wacker Burghausen) 75 -> 77/78 - rose to 78

Christoph Burkhard (Wacker Burghausen) 75 -> 77 - rose to 77

Christian Cappek (Wacker Burghausen) 74 -> 77/78 - rose to 77

Fakri El Haj Ali (Wacker Burghausen) 73 -> 77 - rose to 77

Sven Schimmel (VfB Stuttgart II) 74 -> 77 - rose to 77

Christian Hain (SpVgg Unterhaching) 73 -> 76/77 - rose to 76

Orkan Balkan (SpVgg Unterhaching) 72 -> 76/77 - rose to 75

Mirko Boland (Eintracht Braunschweig) 73 -> 76/77 - rose to 76

Sebastian Rode (Kickers Offenbach) 72 -> 76 - rose to 77

Pierre le Beau (Erzgebirge Aue) 72 -> 76/77 - rose to 75

Marco Riemer (Carl Zeiss Jena) 75 -> 77/78 - rose to 76

Orlando Smeekes (Carl Zeiss Jena) 75 -> 78 - rose to 76

Tim Göhlert (1. FC Heidenheim) 73 -> 76/77 - rose to 77

Christian Essig (1. FC Heidenheim) 74 -> 77 - rose to 77

Dennis Baum (1. FC Heidenheim) 72 -> 75 - rose to 74

Dennis Malura (Rot-Weiß Erfurt) 74 -> 76/77 - rose to 75

Fabian Stenzel (Rot-Weiß Erfurt) 73 -> 75/76 - rose to 75

Tino Semmer (Rot-Weiß Erfurt) 74 -> 77 - rose to 77

Christopher Kullmann (Borussia Dortmund II) 74 -> 76/77 - rose to 77

Volker Oppitz (Dynamo Dresden) 73 -> 76 - rose to 76

Maik Kegel (Dynamo Dresden) 74 -> 76/77 - rose to 75

Florian Meyer (Holstein Kiel) 70 -> 75/76 - rose to 73

Kevin Maek (Werder Bremen II) 70 -> 75/76 - rose to 74

Onur Ayik (Werder Bremen II) 73 -> 75/76 - rose to 74

Mario Erb (Bayern München II) 70 -> 74-76 - rose to 73

Stefan Riess (Bayern München II) 70 -> 74-76 - rose to 74

Saer Sene (Bayern München II) 70 -> 75-77 - rose to 75

High-rated risers (82 onwards)

Dennis Aogo (Hamburger SV) 86 -> 87/88 - rose to 88

Jerome Boateng (Hamburger SV) 87 -> 88/89 - rose to 89

Eljero Elia (Hamburger SV) 87 -> 88/89 - rose to 89

Benedikt Höwedes (FC Schalke 04) 86 -> 87/88 - rose to 88

Selim Teber (Eintracht Frankfurt) 84 -> 86/85 - rose to 85

Hans-Jörg Butt (Bayern München) 85 -> 87 - rose to 87

Sebastian Boenisch (Werder Bremen) 86 -> 87 - rose to 88

Isaac Vorsah (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 83 -> 84/85 - rose to 85

Tim Hoogland (1. FSV Mainz 05) 85 -> 86 - rose to 86

Nico Bungert (1. FSV Mainz 05) 84 -> 86 - rose to 85

Florian Heller (1. FSV Mainz 05) 84 -> 85/86 - rose to 85

Aristide Bance (1. FSV Mainz 05) 83 -> 85/86 - rose to 85

Logan Bailly (Borussia Mönchengladbach) 85 -> 86 - rose to 86

Christopher Heimeroth (Borussia Mönchengladbach) 83 -> 84 - didn't rise

Tobias Levels (Borussia Mönchengladbach) 83 -> 85 - rose to 85

Marcel Schäfer (VfL Wolfsburg) 88 -> 89/90 - rose to 89

Christian Gentner (VfL Wolfsburg) 88 -> 89 - rose to 89

Grafite (VfL Wolfsburg) 89 -> 90/91 - rose to 90

Edin Dzeko (VfL Wolfsburg) 89 -> 90/91 - rose to 91

Konstantin Rausch (Hannover 96) 82 -> 85 - rose to 85

Didier Ya Konan (Hannover 96) 83 -> 84/85 - rose to 84

Christian Träsch (VfB Stuttgart) 83 -> 86/85 - rose to 85

Stefan Celozzi (VfB Stuttgart) 83 -> 84/85 - rose to 85

Timo Gebhart (VfB Stuttgart) 84 -> 86/87 - rose to 86

Marcel Schmelzer (Borussia Dortmund) 83 -> 84 - didn't rise

Patrick Owomoyela (Borussia Dortmund) 86 -> 87/88 - rose to 87

Felipe Santana (Borussia Dortmund) 86 -> 87 - rose to 87

Nuri Sahin (Borussia Dortmund) 87 -> 88 - rose to 88

Du-Ri Cha (SC Freiburg) 83 -> 84/85 - rose to 85

Ivica Banovic (SC Freiburg) 83 -> 84/85 - rose to 85

Johannes Flum (SC Freiburg) 82 -> 84/85 - rose to 84

Adil Chihi (1. FC Köln) 83 -> 84/85 - didn't rise, stopped playing after I started this thread

Mergim Mavraj (VFL Bochum) 82 -> 83/84 - rose to 83

Christoph Janker (Hertha BSC Berlin) 83 -> 85/86 - rose to 84 now

Nemanja Pejcinovic (Hertha BSC Berlin) 82 -> 84/85 - rose to 84

Possible risers (stay or +1)

Jonathan Pitroipa (Hamburger SV) 86 - didn't rise

Marcus Berg (Hamburger SV) 89 - didn't rise

Paolo Guerrero (Hamburger SV) 89 - didn't rise

Michal Kadlec (Bayer Leverkusen) 88 - didn't rise

Toni Kroos (Bayer Leverkusen) 85 -> 85-87 - rose to 86

Renato Augusto (Bayer Leverkusen) 89 - didn't rise

Arturo Vidal (Bayer Leverkusen) 88 - didn't rise

Stefan Kiessling (Bayer Leverkusen) 90 - didn't rise

Eren Derdiyok (Bayer Leverkusen) 86 - rose to 87

Daniel van Buyten (Bayern München) 90 - didn't rise

Manuel Neuer (FC Schalke 04) 90 - didn't rise

Oka Nikolov (Eintracht Frankfurt) 86 - didn't rise

Marco Russ (Eintracht Frankfurt) 87 - didn't rise

Alexander Baumjohann (Bayern München) 85 - didn't rise

Mesut Özil (Werder Bremen) 89 - rose to 90

Marko Marin (Werder Bremen) 89 - didn't rise

Aaron Hunt (Werder Bremen) 87 - rose to 88

Claudio Pizarro (Werder Bremen) 89 - didn't rise

Timo Hildbrand (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 88 - didn't rise

Andreas Beck (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 88 - rose to 89

Marvin Compper (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 87 - didn't rise

Sejad Salihovic (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 88 - rose to 89

Chinedu Obasi (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 87 - didn't rise

Demba Ba (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 88 - didn't rise

Diego Benaglio (VfL Wolfsburg) 89 - didn't rise

Sascha Riether (VfL Wolfsburg) 88 - didn't rise

Zvjezdan Misimovic (VfL Wolfsburg) 90 - didn't rise

Sami Khedira (VfB Stuttgart) 89 - didn't rise

Falcao Elson (VfB Stuttgart) 84 - didn't rise

Marek Mintal (1. FC Nürnberg) 86 - didn't rise

Weidenfeller (Borussia Dortmund) 88 - didn't rise

Neven Subotic (Borussia Dortmund) 87 - rose to 88

Mats Hummels (Borussia Dortmund) 86 - rose to 87

Jakub Blaszczykowski (Borussia Dortmund) 88 - didn't rise

Sebastian Kehl (Borussia Dortmund) 87 - didn't rise

Kevin Grosskreutz (Borussia Dortmund) 82 - didn't rise

Nelson Valdez (Borussia Dortmund) 87 - rose to 88

Heiko Butscher (SC Freiburg) 85 - didn't rise

Pavel Krmas (SC Freiburg) 85 - didn't rise

Cedric Makiadi (SC Freiburg) 84 - rose to 85

Mohammodou Idrissou (SC Freiburg) 85 - rose to 86

Kevin Pezzoni (1. FC Köln) 84 - rose to 85

Mimoun Azaouagh (VFL Bochum) 85 - rose to 86

Andreas Johansson (VFL Bochum) 83 - rose to 84

Daniel Imhof (VFL Bochum) 85 - didn't rise

Patrick Ebert (Hertha BSC Berlin) 87 - didn't rise

Gojko Kacar (Hertha BSC Berlin) 88 - didn't rise

Maximilian Nicu (Hertha BSC Berlin) 87 - didn't rise

Lukas Piszczek (Hertha BSC Berlin) 85 - didn't rise

Definite droppers (Get rid asap)

Alex Silva (Hamburger SV) 89 -> 88 - dropped to 88

Collin Benjamin (Hamburger SV) 87 -> 86 - dropped to 86

Bastian Reinhardt (Hamburger SV) 89 -> 88 - dropped to 88

Tomasz Zdebel (Bayer Leverkusen) 87 -> 86 - dropped to 86

Theofanis Gekas (Bayer Leverkusen) 89 -> 87 - dropped to 87

Albert Streit (FC Schalke 04) 88 -> 86 - dropped to 86

Mehdi Madavikia (Eintracht Frankfurt) 85 -> 84 - dropped to 84

Michael Rensing (Bayern München) 89 -> 87 - dropped to 87

Christian Lell (Bayern München) 89 -> 87 - dropped to 87

Andreas Görlitz (Bayern München) 86 -> 85 - didn't drop

Breno (Bayern München) 87 -> 86 - dropped to 86

Andreas Ottl (Bayern München) 88 -> 87/86 - dropped to 87

Luca Toni (Bayern München) 94 -> 93/92 - dropped to 92

Daniel Jensen (Werder Bremen) 89 -> 88 - dropped to 88

Daniel Haas (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 86 -> 85 - dropped to 85

Ramazan Özcan (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 85 -> 83/82 - dropped to 84

Matthias Jaissle (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim) 86 -> 85 - didn't drop

Paul Stalteri (Borussia Mönchengladbach) 85 -> 84 - didn't drop

Juan Arango (Borussia Mönchengladbach) 91 -> 90/89 - dropped to 90

Rodrigo Alvim (VfL Wolfsburg) 85 -> 83 - didn't drop

Ricardo Costa (VfL Wolfsburg) 87 -> 85 - didn't drop

Valerian Ismael (Hannover 96) 86 -> 85/84 - retired

Jan Schlaudraff (Hannover 96) 88 -> 87/86 - dropped to 86

Altin Lala (Hannover 96) 87 -> 86 - dropped to 85

Bergantin Vinicius (Hannover 96) 86 -> 85 - dropped to 85

Ricardo Osorio (VfB Stuttgart) 89 -> 88/87 - dropped to 88

Khalid Boulahrouz (VfB Stuttgart) 89 -> 88 - didn't drop

Roberto Hilbert (VfB Stuttgart) 89 -> 88 - dropped to 88

Yildirai Bastürk (VfB Stuttgart) 87 -> 86/85 - dropped to 86

Ciprian Marica (VfB Stuttgart) 89 -> 88 - dropped to 88

Florian Kringe (Hertha BSC Berlin) 88 -> 87/86 - dropped to 86

Nuno Maniche (1. FC Köln) 91 -> 89 - dropped to 90

Armando Petit (1. FC Köln) 90 -> 89 - dropped to 89

Lukas Podolski (1. FC Köln) 91 -> 90 - dropped to 90

If you want any more detailed info on a player, disagree with one of the predictions or think that a player is missing from the list, please post. I'd also like to ask you to please use this thread for further discussion now instead of the Analysis 2008/2009 thread.

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Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009

He's already 86. Will he increase to 87 then? or stay at 86

Great thread btw

Should rise to 87 then' date=' has been a good replacement for Helmes. Will edit the list, but only put him into the possible risers section, not sure if SM will increase him just to let him drop in the changes after when Helmes is back again.

Will he change position or stay at DEF?

Might change to Def/DM if SM also look at U21 games, he started the recent qualifier as a defensive midfielder. Played RB and CB for Hamburg this season.

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Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009

great thread Phil:D

what do u think about Gebhart's chances of rising? He has started 4 out of 5 games this season and played not too bad for someone his age...

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Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009

great thread Phil:D

what do u think about Gebhart's chances of rising? He has started 4 out of 5 games this season and played not too bad for someone his age...

He'll rise, just forgot to add him to the list. Added now.

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Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009

Nice Thread Phil! Am doing Division 4 challenge with Notts County and I have 3 German players! How Will they do in the next rating changes? They are:

Stefan Reinartz 74

Niklas Andersen 77

Christian Trasch 83

Read the thread no?

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Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009

are there any good risers in divisions 2 and 3?? because if not it's a waste of time for you:rolleyes:

There might be some +3/+4/+5 risers' date=' from the top of my head I can't think of any REAL gems or big money-makers though. There still should be some 10k youngsters nonetheless.

Nice Thread Phil! Am doing Division 4 challenge with Notts County and I have 3 German players! How Will they do in the next rating changes? They are:

Niklas Andersen 77

Christian Trasch 83

Niklas Andersen won't rise, he just plays for the reserves in the 3. Liga.

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Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009

Can you just list some +4/5 risers from those divisions if you don't have anything better to do in these days??:D:o (a bit selfish i know:o)

That's just what I was thinking of, I don't really watch enough to tell which players would deserve a drop performance-wise, but I could list some lower-rated players who got some playing time and will probably keep playing.

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Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009

That's just what I was thinking of' date=' I don't really watch enough to tell which players would deserve a drop performance-wise, but I could list some lower-rated players who got some playing time and will probably keep playing.[/quote']

yeah that would be great :D

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Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009

How confident do you feel about Manuel Neuer getting a +1 (in %)

It all depends on Schalke's performance and what happens to with him in the NT.

Ability-wise, he's not worse than Enke or Adler, but if he remains 3rd choice I'd say the chances are only 10% or so.

However, if Schalke do well and are in the Top4/5 when the changes come and when he maybe gets another call-up or even game for Germany, it becomes more likely, maybe 50%.

I still think that he'll move to a bigger club though in the near future (Schalke are obviously heavily in debt, and the German rules are quite strict compared to England or Spain where clubs can make hundreds of millions of debt), maybe Bayern in the winter break or even to a foreign club with an ageing keeper (there's been rumour of him going to ManU for example), and then he definitely can get to 93+.

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It all depends on Schalke's performance and what happens to with him in the NT.

Ability-wise' date=' he's not worse than Enke or Adler, but if he remains 3rd choice I'd say the chances are only 10% or so.

However, if Schalke do well and are in the Top4/5 when the changes come and when he maybe gets another call-up or even game for Germany, it becomes more likely, maybe 50%.

I still think that he'll move to a bigger club though in the near future (Schalke are obviously heavily in debt, and the German rules are quite strict compared to England or Spain where clubs can make hundreds of millions of debt), maybe Bayern in the winter break or even to a foreign club with an ageing keeper (there's been rumour of him going to ManU for example), and then he definitely can get to 93+.[/quote']

What about benaglio?

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Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009

Great work on this thread Phil. V Helpful.

RE: JUAN ARANGO

Of the two times that I have seen Gladbach play this year (in that comeback by Bochum & the Hertha match) Arango looked pretty solid. Seemed like he was always dangerous not only with his passing but also his ability to create open space. Since he's taken his shot attempts significantly up, Gladbach have won two of the past three. Not being displaced by Reus (as some thought at the beginning of the year). In fact when Reus subs in, Reus has almost always been on the right-side with Arango remaining on the left. He had a good 2nd half of the season for Mallorca last year (7goals/5 assists), but more importantly was consistently good from January on. And for the Venezuelan NT (which is still in the mix) Arango seems to still have a hand in everything that they do.

Certainly there's not enough there for a rise in rating, but on the face-of-it it's hard for me to see a drop either.

Granted it's early in the season so it's hard to take rating averages seriously yet, but I see on the Kicker ratings that after rating him highly for the first few matches, that they don't have him rated very high for the past few. For the season so far I think Kicker has him currently as only ~ 20th in midfielder ratings for the overall league.

Anyway, my analysis of him is based more off of stat-work rather than seeing him firsthand week-in and week-out. Curious what I am missing with my analysis of him and why you think he is a definite dropper this ratings change.

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Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009

Great work on this thread Phil. V Helpful.

RE: JUAN ARANGO

Of the two times that I have seen Gladbach play this year (in that comeback by Bochum & the Hertha match) Arango looked pretty solid. Seemed like he was always dangerous not only with his passing but also his ability to create open space. Since he's taken his shot attempts significantly up' date=' Gladbach have won two of the past three. Not being displaced by [b']Reus[/b] (as some thought at the beginning of the year). In fact when Reus subs in, Reus has almost always been on the right-side with Arango remaining on the left. He had a good 2nd half of the season for Mallorca last year (7goals/5 assists), but more importantly was consistently good from January on. And for the Venezuelan NT (which is still in the mix) Arango seems to still have a hand in everything that they do.

Certainly there's not enough there for a rise in rating, but on the face-of-it it's hard for me to see a drop either.

Granted it's early in the season so it's hard to take rating averages seriously yet, but I see on the Kicker ratings that after rating him highly for the first few matches, that they don't have him rated very high for the past few. For the season so far I think Kicker has him currently as only ~ 20th in midfielder ratings for the overall league.

Anyway, my analysis of him is based more off of stat-work rather than seeing him firsthand week-in and week-out. Curious what I am missing with my analysis of him and why you think he is a definite dropper this ratings change.

Yeah, certainly he hasn't played bad, but going from Mallorca to Gladbach is a step backwards, and SM are usually harsh if players move to "lesser" leagues and clubs. It's just that Mönchengladbach are too bad as a club to have a 91 in their team.

Similar to what happened to Petit at Köln, despite being of the best players if not the best in the team, it's impossible to keep such a high rating at a club who are usually fighting against relegation.

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Re: Bundesliga Risers, Talents and Droppers 2009

About Müller, I actually think if he manages to keep playing as he is now, he could hit 85 or even 86.

Ozil is also the second top scorer in the Bundesliga if i am not wrong. Maybe he can hit a 90 or 91.

Also, what do you think about Pranjic's chances of going up?

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