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The difference between Shaqiri and Can is that both are relatively younger and have a considerable capacity for development' date=' rather than Adam Lallana who is arguably in the prime years of a footballer's career. Adam Lallana has had one standout season, and it's a season where Southampton as a team have impressed as a whole. The season before this, Lallana was distinctly average. Just one impressive season and everyone starts jumping on the Lallana bandwagon. He is 26 and purchasing him for £25 million without any Champions League experience as one of ' Marquee Established Players' is just ludicrous. If he has infact performed at the highest level then such a fee wouldn't be met with so much opposition. People forget there is a gulf in class between Liverpool and Southampton. Yes Lallana has performed well at Southampton, but what makes you think he is not a big fish in a small pond ?. Adam Lallana in terms of technique is one of the best English players today, there is nothing disputing that. But however, people often forget that the standard of the England national team is distinctly average. We consistently get out performed internationally by nations such as Portugal which features a league which many people consider as a 'weak ' league here on this forum. The fact that Emile Heskey has so many caps without question and the fact that English media raved Tom Cleverley as the new ' Gazza' is just a testament to the quality of the England Football team. Any player who is distinctly above average is hyped up because we as a nation develop so many average technical footballers. We often place players such as Adam Lallana who have above average technique, on a pedalstel, because were starved of a technically gifted English footballers. This is one of the focus of the enquiries carried out by the English FA after the 4-1 mauling by Germany. We have now adopted the 'Spanish and German' philosophy of developing talent where the initial aim is try and develop technique first and then focus on developing physical attributes secondly. Iv seen Adam Lallana on the International Stage and while he is one of the better technical English players, there isn't a game where he has really been influential and dictated play. He looked distinctly average against Peru, against opposition where you expect him to shine and show his talent. Southampton finished 8th. We are a team that's aspiring to challenge for major honours. Adam Lallana is a massive gamble and in my opinoin it wouldn't surprise me if we did sign him for £25 million and see him fail under the exaggerated pressure that the English Media has subjected him to.

Xherdan Shaqiri has all the potential to surpass Adam Lallana, and along with Emre Can would represent a far more shrewd piece of buissness. Shaqiri is at that stage in the development where he can become an integral player. With Shaqiri there is ability, with potential to be even better. I have seen Shaqiri play, unlike many other LFC fans who are adamant that the club should sign Konoplaynka a player who has only been heard by these fans this past January and who's best accomplishment was scoring a goal against an average England side in a 2012 friendly. I think in general, our fans need to need spend more time watching football rather than come up with assumptions reading the back page of the sun.

I just hope we have learned our lessons from the 2011 Transfer Fiasco. This is the opportunity to cement a top 4 place and push on. Miss it and we will be punished hard. Tottenham and United will strengthen along with Chelsea, Arsenal and City.[/quote']

What aload of rubbish

Lallana one good season?

He has been Team of the year in League 1, Championship, now Premiership.

I said before in the thread - this smacks of a player who is still developing and can still raise his game. Now put him in a club with top 4/title ambitions and CL whats not to say he will develop even further.

Remember the outcry when we spent 20M on Henderson? Well now most sensible people would say it was money well spent...

Can & Shaqiri, sexy foreign imports with sexy names....and no experience and the potential to be disasters and yet more Bundesliga imports that flop hard in the Premier League. 27M to throw away on 2 players who ultimately havent done anything of note in the last 12 months....no thanks.

Shaqiri was phenomenal at Basel and should of taken him then when he was in his pomp. He needs to be rebuilt but we need players who will hit the ground running, not wait for them to get confidence and adapt to the EPL.

And if we are going to learn a lesson in past 'transfer fiascos'...shouldnt it be stop buying bloody expensive, inexperienced foreign imports?!"?!?!??!? Can & Shaqiri could easily be last seasons Iago Aspas & Luis Alberto...

I hope we get in Keita and il still bang the drum for Ashley Cole too, wise heads in our young squad., and really should take a long hard look at Micah Richards & Joleon Lescott.

If we are going to shell out i hope its on a decent CB, i think BR will wait to see who performs well in Brazil and then make a move.

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I love the fact people think Lallana is ancient or something he is 26!!!!!

My God he can improve just as much as a Shaqiri or Can.....

In any squad you need a mixture of experience, youth an players in there prime not every signing has to be a youngster, every signing has its merits.

As for saying Lallana has had just one good season it really is rubbish, I just basically disagree with almost everything said.

Amar 19 please use Paragraphs in future, you seem to make for decent debate which I am in favour of even if I disagree with most of what you are writing, but for ease it would be better to have your views more neatly arranged as it makes it easier to read and more user-friendly.

However as a new addition to the thread I welcome you.

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;2922140']What aload of rubbish

Lallana one good season?

He has been Team of the year in League 1' date=' Championship, now Premiership.

I said before in the thread - this smacks of a player who is still developing and can still raise his game. Now put him in a club with top 4/title ambitions and CL whats not to say he will develop even further.

Remember the outcry when we spent 20M on Henderson? Well now most sensible people would say it was money well spent...

Can & Shaqiri, sexy foreign imports with sexy names....and no experience and the potential to be disasters and yet more Bundesliga imports that flop hard in the Premier League. 27M to throw away on 2 players who ultimately havent done anything of note in the last 12 months....no thanks.

Shaqiri was phenomenal at Basel and should of taken him then when he was in his pomp. He needs to be rebuilt but we need players who will hit the ground running, not wait for them to get confidence and adapt to the EPL.

And if we are going to learn a lesson in past 'transfer fiascos'...shouldnt it be stop buying bloody expensive, inexperienced foreign imports?!"?!?!??!? Can & Shaqiri could easily be last seasons Iago Aspas & Luis Alberto...

I hope we get in Keita and il still bang the drum for Ashley Cole too, wise heads in our young squad., and really should take a long hard look at Micah Richards & Joleon Lescott.

If we are going to shell out i hope its on a decent CB, i think BR will wait to see who performs well in Brazil and then make a move.[/quote']

Shaq doesn't need to be 'rebuilt'.The lad is a beast,even though he had problems with injuries and Pep didn't gave him a proper chance he still did a great job whenever he played?he started like 10 games and scored 6 goals?The lad has everything to his game,skills,long range shot,strength,pace...he ain't just perfect fit for Liverpool,he's perfect fit for PL.

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Who started this exotic, sexy names comparison? :o

Some people forget, because of that English name the price is massively inflated. Exotic name or English names definitely doesn't warrant talent, but one thing for certain is English names nowadays does command overpriced evaluation. And believe it or not some people think it is absurd considering there is many players out there that club can gets based on the price of English player market.

p/s - some of amar19 points is interesting, especially those point about standard of the England national team being distinctly average. I tend to agree if I'm being honest.

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Lallana has had one good season. Honestly, can't be justifying us getting him by saying he was in league 1/championship team of the year. So bloody what :o

I basically agree with everything amar19 said. Fair to say the Lallana deal has divided opinions. However I think it's fair to say we would all rather pay 25 mil for a class CB than Lallana, but that's a different issue.

I've warmed to the idea of us getting Lambert. He's a good player and will be our third choice striker. Cheap as well so little risk. It's quite a shrewd purchase in fairness. However I don't think I'll ever be okay with us paying crazy money for Lallana

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I don't understand the signing of Lambert with you lot. Can any Liverpool fan out there give there views on why Rodgers signed him, surely there is other strikers out there who would fit into the squad and maintain a that young average age?

Would he be there because of CL for you lot next season and all the other competitions.

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I don't understand the signing of Lambert with you lot. Can any Liverpool fan out there give there views on why Rodgers signed him' date=' surely there is other strikers out there who would fit into the squad and maintain a that young average age?[/i']

Would he be there because of CL for you lot next season and all the other competitions.

Before posting,you can read last few pages to see why at that price he's the perfect signing for us

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I don't know why Can is compared to Lallana. He isn't an alternative for him in any way and I don't think Shaqiri is either (even if some papers claim so).

Why are you making such a huge point about the England NT? Lallana has played 3 games for England' date=' I certainly have formed my opinion of him by watching him at Southampton, playing against high quality opposition.

Shaqiri probably has all the potential to become a better player than Lallana. But maybe we're looking for someone with leadership qualities, too. Or someone with better defensive qualities or experience in the league? Rodgers has identified Lallana as his number 1 target for whatever reasons and the fee will be what it will be. That shouldn't be the first thing that fans concern themselves with. We have a group of people working on transfers and they've established that we can spend that on Lallana and afford our other targets as well.

I don't understand the signing of Lambert with you lot. Can any Liverpool fan out there give there views on why Rodgers signed him, surely there is other strikers out there who would fit into the squad and maintain a that young average age?

Would he be there because of CL for you lot next season and all the other competitions.

Pros & Cons with Lambert:

Pros:

- Decent goal-scorer

- only 2 players have created more clear cut chances or have more assists from open play than Lambert over the last 2 seasons.

- Set piece specialist

- Scouser & a Liverpool fan -> won't moan about game time

- Better than our current 3rd & 4th best strikers

- Different in style to our 1st & 2nd choice strikers

- Experience from playing in a pressing team

- Small fee & wages

- homegrown

Cons:

- 32

- no experience from CL games

- can only play centrally

It makes a lot of sense.

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Coutinho had achieved/proved a lot less than Lallana has when he signed for you and everyone was licking his behind.

Shame good English players don't get the credit they deserve simply because they're English.

Lallana's a fantastic player. Makes a change to see an Englishman demand the ball and want to dribble with it

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Agree with all this...

If his name was Lillaninho or summit most if the people on this thread would be all over him like a rash :rolleyes:

Embaressing reading some of this thread the last few days...

^

He's a great player and would be a brilliant signing for you. Sod the foreigners, stick with your own ;):P

Said Nigel Farage...

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Lallana has had one good season. Honestly' date=' can't be justifying us getting him by saying he was in league 1/championship team of the year. So bloody what :o[/b']

I basically agree with everything amar19 said. Fair to say the Lallana deal has divided opinions. However I think it's fair to say we would all rather pay 25 mil for a class CB than Lallana, but that's a different issue.

I've warmed to the idea of us getting Lambert. He's a good player and will be our third choice striker. Cheap as well so little risk. It's quite a shrewd purchase in fairness. However I don't think I'll ever be okay with us paying crazy money for Lallana

Your missing the point - he proves he can train on, develop, adapt and become the best player in his position in each of those leagues. League 1 football is different to Championship, and Championship is different to Premiership.

Now he could be in a side that has title ambitions and playing CL, he shows the ability to rise to the standard and exceed it and obviously hasnt peaked yet.

What 25M CBs are there out there that will be what we want...need one with pace thats for sure....rather get Micah Richards for free and get him fit and in the centre.

We made an enquiry for Hector Moreno, Mexican CB from Espanyol, cant find any further updates though.

Its funny how many have changed there tune on Lambert....basically due to the fee. :o There will be add ons, hidden fees, wages.. i dont doubt its probably nearer 8M as was first reported but the 4M up front fee is the one thats printed in black and white, but he is a great buy and what we needed.

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Coutinho had achieved/proved a lot less than Lallana has when he signed for you and everyone was licking his behind.

Shame good English players don't get the credit they deserve simply because they're English.

Lallana's a fantastic player. Makes a change to see an Englishman demand the ball and want to dribble with it

Difference is coutinho was 20 and cost 9 mil? He always had fantastic potential. I for one was never massively desperate for us to sign him as he'd been very inconsistent in his last couple seasons but it ended up being a very shrewd piece of business. Big reason I'm very apprehensive about us buying Lallana. He's only had one consistently good season in the top flight yet is commanding a crazy fee. It's a massive risk IMO

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Coutinho had achieved/proved a lot less than Lallana has when he signed for you and everyone was licking his behind.

Shame good English players don't get the credit they deserve simply because they're English.

Lallana's a fantastic player. Makes a change to see an Englishman demand the ball and want to dribble with it

Coutinho signed for 8 million

If Lallana was signing for 8 million you wouldn't be seeing any moaning

Well maybe a little bit it is the Liverpool thread

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Coutinho signed for 8 million

If Lallana was signing for 8 million you wouldn't be seeing any moaning

Well maybe a little bit it is the Liverpool thread

Lallana at 8m would be great. Means if he carries on his good form he'd be signing of the season and if he failed we wouldn't have wasted an extra 17m on him in the first place. Buying him for 25m means if he does well then it's like 'well what did you expect you payed 25m for him', and if he fails we've wasted 25m on him, Andy Carroll and Stewart Downing 2.0. That's what makes Shaqiri at 15m a better deal. If he fails we haven't wasted that extra 10m, we'd still be able to get something decent for him due to his age, and if we decided to keep him he'd still have time on his side and the potential to pull a Jordy Henderson. If he did well then we've picked up a quality player 10m cheaper than Lallana who may or may not have succeeded.

I'm not against signing Lallana, but I am against spending 25m on him because he's adapted to the premier league after originally being a League One player. Joe Allen went from League one to the Premier League and is an absolute star now isn't he.

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I'm not convinced that £17m is a hit that Liverpool FC can't afford.

Besides, he's proven himself in the Premier League and would take up a homegrown player slot in your squad. These add value to his price. £25m is a lot of money in general but if you want good players, you've got to pay good money.

Edit:

I'd add to this that Rodgers is yet to waste any money at Liverpool so far (to the best of my knowledge).

So if I were a Liverpool fan I'd be inclined to trust his judgement.

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Another thing about the choice between Lallana and Shaqiri is that one being English is a bad thing if they flop. You try and sell Lallana if he turns out to be crap you have a choice of about 3 clubs who can afford to take him off you for a decent enough fee and pay his wages. What will happen to Shaqiri if he doesn't quite make it at Liverpool? Got your money back I'd imagine, so many clubs would jump at the chance.

And huge LOLOLOL at Rodgers not wasting any money so far. Sober up.

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The price we seem to be paying for Moreno is ever increasing. Makes me wonder why we aren't going for Ricardo Rodriguez.

Also surprised we haven't been linked with Cuadrado. He really is a top player, the type you pay 25 mil for

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I've gotta admit - I thought the likes of Aspas and Borini came in under Dalglish.

My mistake' date=' I retract that comment about Rodgers wasting money :o[/quote']

Borini, Allen, Aspas, Luis Alberto were all very bad buys. Sakho and Mignolet didn't improve on what was already there. Sturridge and Coutinho were incredible business though. He's far from bad in the transfer market and luckily I'd imagine he can make a fair bit back if and when the pieces of crap leave.

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Buying him for 25m means if he does well then it's like 'well what did you expect you payed 25m for him'' date=' and if he fails we've wasted 25m on him, Andy Carroll and Stewart Downing 2.0.[/quote']

You make it sound as if that's what football is about: Being the best in the transfer market. Were you more disappointed when you realized that Carroll was never going to be any good and we'd wasted 35 millions on him or when Demba Ba scored at Anfield last season?

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You make it sound as if that's what football is about: Being the best in the transfer market. Were you more disappointed when you realized that Carroll was never going to be any good and we'd wasted 35 millions on him or when Demba Ba scored at Anfield last season?

Being good in the transfer market is absolutely huge, you understand that?

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Being good in the transfer market is absolutely huge' date=' you understand that?[/quote']

Yes, of course, I wasn't arguing against that.

If we'd ended up winning the league last season, would we now be thinking what a bad signing Aspas was? No, we couldn't care less. If Lallana signs for us and is very successful, I know I won't be thinking "meh, we paid a lot of money so this is the least he should be doing", I'll simply be happy that he's playing well for us.

I don't know how well I'm making my point here but what I'm trying to say is that the amount you spend on players isn't half as important as the actual quality of the players. Just like City aren't regretting paying £34M for Fernandinho, I don't think we'll regret buying Lallana for £25M. If we do end up buying him, that is.

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Yes' date=' of course, I wasn't arguing against that.

If we'd ended up winning the league last season, would we now be thinking what a bad signing Aspas was? No, we couldn't care less. If Lallana signs for us and is very successful, I know I won't be thinking "meh, we paid a lot of money so this is the least he should be doing", I'll simply be happy that he's playing well for us.

I don't know how well I'm making my point here but what I'm trying to say is that the amount you spend on players isn't half as important as the actual quality of the players. Just like City aren't regretting paying £34M for Fernandinho, I don't think we'll regret buying Lallana for £25M. If we do end up buying him, that is.[/quote']

Aspas is an awful signing, you could have won the league this year and ever year for the rest of his contract, he's still an awful investment. I get what you're saying but transfers are huge. You mess up on Aspas fine, Borini fine, you don't sign Sturridge and do you get close to the title last season? Who knows. He's not Suarez but I guess you get my point.

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Aspas is an awful signing' date=' you could have won the league this year and ever year for the rest of his contract, he's still an awful investment. I get what you're saying but transfers are huge. You mess up on Aspas fine, Borini fine, you don't sign Sturridge and do you get close to the title last season? Who knows. He's not Suarez but I guess you get my point.[/quote']

I get your point and I'm not really disagreeing with anything you say. Transfers are huge. And what imo defines a successful transfer window first and foremost is the quality of the players, not the money you spend on them.

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