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Over four years, Liverpool have gone from Moneyball to money men. The guiding philosophy may not be borrowed completely from baseball's new-age thinkers any more. Now the most eye-catching element lies in the numbers.

The £75 million they banked for Luis Suarez is the third-highest fee ever received by an English club. Their eventual outlay this transfer window should be a nine-figure sum, making this just the fifth time an English club has spent £100m in a summer.

Yet this is a spending spree with a difference. One question is whether Brendan Rodgers has a stronger squad but, shorn of Suarez, a less potent starting XI. Another is whether Liverpool could crash through the £100m barrier without securing a marquee signing.

Adam Lallana is the most expensive arrival so far. Dejan Lovren is the costliest defender in Anfield history. The third former Saint, Rickie Lambert, provides the most heart-warming tale, of the local lad belatedly returning to his hometown club.

Divock Origi had the best World Cup of any. Emre Can, should he break into the Germany team, will be an international colleague of World Cup winners. Lazar Markovic's talent gives him the most potential of all the newcomers. None, however, was supposed to be the flagship buy.

Admittedly, there wasn't one last summer and that hardly hampered Liverpool's progress. They jumped from seventh to second at startling speed; close-season additions were not the major reason. Yet Alexis Sanchez's decision to join Arsenal was a continuation of the theme of last summer when Diego Costa, Willian and Henrikh Mkhitaryan eluded Liverpool; for different reasons, the slightly lower-profile Loic Remy has joined Yevhen Konoplyanka on the long list of those who got away.

Remy was due to inherit Suarez's No.7 shirt. It is impossible to replicate every element of the Uruguayan's contribution, whether the 31 goals and 12 assists, the constant controversy or the status as Liverpool's figurehead. Nevertheless, the burdens on Daniel Sturridge, as scorer, and Steven Gerrard, as skipper, may increase without that headline recruit. Options are beginning to abound, but someone will have to shoulder the burden of becoming a match winner.

It is a sign of the times that a club can part with £90m without the semblance of a superstar arriving. It is a source of amusement to some and bemusement to others that some £50m of that has been diverted to Southampton for the trio of Lambert, Lallana and Lovren, a total that could rise if suggestions that Jay Rodriguez is a target become reality.

Given the wholesale importing of Southampton's players, even the lesser lights at St Mary's, such as Steven Davis and Jose Fonte, may be expecting the call from Anfield. The serious point, however, is that besides their individual attributes, Rodgers clearly sees similarities in his style of play and the progressive pressing game Saints deployed under Mauricio Pochettino.

It is tempting to note that 2012 brought the arrivals of Joe Allen and Fabio Borini, the Swansea alumni, and 2013 saw the Spanish signings of Luis Alberto and Iago Aspas. Every year has brought a search for those with a similar ethos who can slot seamlessly into the side.

The other common denominator has been a futuristic element to recruitment, the quest for long-term value. The fact that Origi commanded an eight-figure fee and was promptly loaned back to Lille fits in with a broader trend. In one respect, the young Belgian is 2014's answer to Samed Yesil and Alberto. In another, he ought to be a distinct improvement on supposed prodigies who have offered little evidence of why they were bought.

What it means, though, is that Rodgers' spending cannot simply be judged over the course of one season. In Origi, Liverpool have probably signed Lambert's long-term replacement before the older man has even made his competitive debut.

If he will be the new Lambert, Liverpool already find themselves described as the new Tottenham. Spurs spent £110m last season and regressed. While Andre Villas-Boas and Franco Baldini were guilty of some poor buys, it is also pertinent that Tottenham actually broke even. As a result of the Rafa Benitez years, Liverpool are wearily familiar with debate about spend and net spend. Their current incomings could swell towards the £100m mark, not least because they now have three left-sided centre-backs. Bringing in Lovren surely means that Daniel Agger can go out. Forward Borini, too, could go.

It means there are two categories among the clubs who spent a tenth of a billion in a few months: those who, broadly speaking, balanced the books, and those who made no attempt to do so. Chelsea were the pioneers, paying out £110m in an otherwise deflated transfer market in 2003. Manchester City followed suit in successive summers, forking out around £140m in 2010 and £130m in 2011.

There is the potential for Chelsea to top £100m again this summer - the deals for Costa, Cesc Fabregas and Filipe Luis have taken them 80% of the way there - or for Manchester United to join the club. It will be a mark of football's inflated economics if, after there were only four £100m-summers in England's history, there were three additions to the ranks of the extravagant spenders in a few short months.

The past proves that spending, even when funded by sales, confers pressure. Liverpool know as much. Their transfer outgoings over 2011's two windows amounted to £115m. They only finished eighth the subsequent season, leading to Kenny Dalglish's sacking and Rodgers' appointment. Money creates opportunities and fosters expectations alike.

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Just watched last nights game, decent game fairly even all in all, City probably the better side first half without really threatening, where as second half was more end to end and a really entertaining game to watch. I think a draw was a fair result our equaliser at the end was coming we had them on the rack at that point.

Dont think we saw anything we don't already know, not great at the back (although obviously in the League games the back four will be totally different) but excellent going forward especially on the counter attack the pace of Sterling and Sturridge is such an asset add Markovic in to the equation and real pace and verve there.

The amount of times City got to the byline was concerning without really having to work to hard to get there, the lack of pace in Toure and Coates was exposed well but there final ball/pass was lacking most of the time.

Both our goals were excellently worked, good team goals, City for all the play got lucky with two deflections aiding there goals although Zuculini's miss will live in the memory, how on Earth did he miss that!!

I like the look of Can so far this pre season of the new boys probably seen him the most and he looks a player to me, think he could feature quite a bit, physically as well he looks very imposing.

Oh and we just don't lose penalty shoot outs do we :)

seriously our record in them is frighteningly good over the years, so much so that I fully expect we will now go out of a tournament that matters as I have tempted fate on penalties :o

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Monster. Has the same feeling as when Mascherano signed.

So he'll go on to become a centre back for Barca?

Sorry, but it's raw and it's still too soon - he and Alonso left me scarred. Still love thinking about a Masc / Alonso / Gerrard trio. But they don't write, no call. I think they've moved on. More fish in the sea etc.

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Alberto Moreno deal back on

Javi Manquillo looks to be arriving

Tiago Ilori a target for Dortmund on 1 year loan

Bolgna want Rafa Paez on a similiar loan deal.

Glad to see getting young talent out the door and playing competitive matches hopefully

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Liverpool FC are closing in on a double swoop for Spanish full-backs Alberto Moreno and Javier Manquillo.

The Reds have reopened talks with Sevilla over left-back Moreno and are confident their summer-long pursuit of the Spain international will finally reach a successful conclusion.

A deal for Atletico Madrid right-back Manquillo is at a more advanced stage with Liverpool chief executive Ian Ayre having flown to the Spanish capital to complete the transfer.

Would be delighted if we pulled both of them off following the signing of Lovren.

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Rodgers team at the minute will win either the Cap Cup, FA Cup, Champs\Europa or maybe (33%) the Prem. We have a larger talented and confident group of players compared to last season, but we are missing an X-factor which Luis provided but we should win something.

For this season I would take a Champs League spot and a domestic cup, considering two seasons ago this was simply not the case.

The transition I look most forward two is that hopefully Sakho and Lovern will be a partnership by the end of the season (Hyypia Henchoz mkII). I believe Lovern will establish himself as a world class centre back within a year or two, whilst Sakho will complement him as a more ball playing defender or someone to track the faster opposition players.

Right Rodgers get some Northern Irish players through the ranks like McLaughlin.

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Sterling and Ibe are doing well but i have to say joe Allen is nothing short of outstanding - seb Coates too is looking calm' date=' acomplished and reliable- having another very good game.[/quote']

Let's face it, AC Milan were/are an utter pile of crap.

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Let's face it' date=' AC Milan were/are an utter pile of crap.[/quote']

Jeez, the lad cant even get credit for having a decent game.

It's almost as if you were determined not to give credit to any liverpool player regardless isnt it? ;)

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You won't get either.

We stand a better chance of a domestic cup run than in previous years and i can see how we could finish top 4, although it will be tight i'm sure. So to say the above with such certainty makes you appear blinkered.

Surely even the most pessimistic liverpool fan or rival fan can see that there is every chance Liverpool could do well in the domestics and acheieve a top four?

Not that it will happen, but there is a good opportunity it may?

Although I doubt you will concur, naturally....

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We stand a better chance of a domestic cup run than in previous years and i can see how we could finish top 4' date=' although it will be tight i'm sure. So to say the above with such certainty makes you appear blinkered.

Surely even the most pessimistic liverpool fan or rival fan can see that there is every chance Liverpool could do well in the domestics and acheieve a top four?

Not that it will happen, but there is a good opportunity it may?

Although I doubt you will concur, naturally....[/quote']

It's called trolling, annoying but I've gotten used to it :P

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