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Apparently Origi was voted in the worst team of the season in France' date='and Kolo Toure is set to get a new contract??:confused:[/quote']

Andrew Gibney, Freelance journalist specialising in French football, based in Lille and Manchester. Creator of French Football Weekly.

The French newspaper L’Equipe is infamous for their strict review of the weekly Ligue 1 games, but they don’t always call it down the line.

But Liverpool fans need not despair - there is no way Origi should be anywhere near that list.

Unlike in England, L’Equipe are very reluctant to handout high grades. Since their records began there has been only seven players have ever been awarded a Perfect 10. Even nines are a rarity and a great performance will usually get you no more than an eight.

Origi’s teammate Sofiane Boufal delivered three assists in Lille’s 4-1 win over Metz on Saturday, if it was in England, he would have been awarded a nine or a ten - L’Equipe granted him a 7/10.

It is different to how rankings are awarded in Britain. In L’Equipe you start with a four or a five, if you have an average game, you can expect to stay there. Play well and you can usually make the Team of the Week with a 7/10 – in England you're more likely to start with a seven.

Looking at the small print of L’Equipe’s “Worst Team” it states that this is based only on players that have received more than 21 grades. That rules out forwards like Nicki Bille Nielsen – one goal in 19 games for relegated Evian - or Metz striker Juan Manuel Falcon – four goals in 21 appearances.

You could just have easily had players like Monaco’s Dimitar Berbatov, Ola Toivonen of Rennes or Ricky van Wolfswinkel on loan from Norwich, but they don’t have the same editorial impact as slating Origi does.........

..........Origi would blast away his goal drought with a hat-trick against Rennes, the irony being that he had played no better or worse than he had in the win over Lyon, just he was rewarded with a couple of breaks.

L’Equipe rewarded him with an 8/10 that day, but against Lyon he was given 4/10. At times, to make a point, they will give a player an even lower score than they merit. Against Wolfsburg – the night he was booed after missing a penalty – he was given a 3/10.

To report that Origi “has been named” in L’Equipe’s worst team of the year is slightly misleading – it has been taken from their overall average rating. Origi finished with 4.46. This in itself is harsh, especially when you look at the last few months of the season.

Anyone actually picking a worst XI would be hard-pushed to include Origi after scoring eight goals this season.

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Sherwood tells Benteke:' There’s no point going to a club where they don’t cross the ball '. Kind of feel like he has a point. As much as I like Benteke can't help but feel we would starve him of the type of service he thrives on.

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A lowball for sure' date=' but he does only have one year left on his contract. No need to overpay for someone that will be available the year after.[/quote']

Well Spurs supposedly offered £12m for Ings the other day.... :rolleyes:

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Klopp wants the Reds to ditch their transfer committee in order for him to take Liverpool job if Rodgers go

Will Liverpool do this?

I think it's there best chance of landing Klopp. There signings have been diabolical. A big change is needed within he club if any managers is to take the job. ?

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Ive been out of the loop recently due to work but having gotten back up to speed here is my two cents on Liverpool:

If Sterling wants to go, let him go. He's been a key player this season out of necessity, and if he leaves for the sums of money being quoted then I wouldnt be too disappointed. Regarding where he could go, while it would be better if he went abroad so he couldn't play us, only Real would have the spending power and I don't think they would be so interested in him as to put a big money offer in. Leaving just Premier League teams, Man City are looking to rebuild and need homegrown players, and so could be held to ransom if they try to negotiate a cut-price deal. They have Jovetic out in the cold which could be an interest in a player + cash deal.

Im glad that we have had a deal rejected for Clyne, as it shows we are looking at returning to a four-back. While we initially played well with a three back, we were found out and had no Plan B. I wouldn't personally go for Clyne as his price will be inflated by being English. I wouldnt go for Dani Alves as he'd be on massive wages but I would go for his team-mate Martin Montoya. He's third choice I believe at Barca? Also Dani Carvajal is now second choice at Real and a very good right-back.

Regarding Gerrard's successor, I quite like the look of Mateo Kovacic, and with Inter needing to free up money for a squad overhaul, he could be relatively cheap. Inter have previous for selling young talented midfielders for cheap. my only concern is that Kovacic is a play-maker, as is Henderson. Where is the holding midfielder? Another Serie A player on the market is Stephan El-Shaarawy. He's ben injured a lot recently and Milan are looking to sell but not to another Serie A team. Out of the top 5 or 6 teams in the BPL only Liverpool would have the room for him as a first team player. He's been linked with Arsenal but they have at least half a dozen players that can play in that role and at least three are better than him.

This would be my realistic Liverpool starting XI for next season:

Mignolet

Montoya - Skrtel - Lovren - Moreno

Can - Henderson - Kovacic

Coutinho

Sturridge - Jovetic

And with Sturridge's injuries, bring in Lallana and switch to a 'Christmas Tree'

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Few position that need total revamp and possible start from scratch :

RB

Current players :

i) Jon Flanagan - out indefinetly for now

ii) Emre Can - not even close

iii) Javi Manquillo - his loan would be terminated prematurely

Wishlist:

i) Nathaniel Clyne - English, just one year of contract left

ii) Martin Montoya - certainly step up from what we have

Might end up with :

i) Kieran Trippier

ii) Andre Wisdom

DM

Current players :

i) Lucas Leiva - might leave / can't stay fit

ii) Joe Allen - simply not good enough, we can practically live without him

iii) Emre Can - need time and proper guidance if Lucas leave / can't see him handling that DM position all alone

Wishlist :

i) Ever Banega - just one year of contract left

ii) Sami Khedira - out of contract

Might end up with :

i) Lucas leave and Can + Allen as only DM at the club

CF

Current players :

i) Daniel Sturridge - could be missing most of the season again

ii) Mario Balotelli - simply not good enough / seems always 'sick' recently - sign of leaving?

iii) Rickie Lambert - might leave

iv) Fabio Borini - might leave

v) Iago Aspas - might leave / I for one will not missed his corner

vi) Divock Origi - possibly need time to settle

Wishlist :

i) Alexandre Lacazette - dreamland

ii) Luciano Vietto - such cheap release clause

iii) Edin Dzeko - currently out of favor at City

iv) Theo Walcott - English, just one year of contract left

Might end up with :

i) Danny Ings

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Im glad that we have had a deal rejected for Clyne' date=' as it shows we are looking at returning to a four-back. While we initially played well with a three back, we were found out and had no Plan B. I wouldn't personally go for Clyne as his price will be inflated by being English. I wouldnt go for Dani Alves as he'd be on massive wages but I would go for his team-mate Martin Montoya. He's third choice I believe at Barca? Also Dani Carvajal is now second choice at Real and a very good right-back.

Montoya isn't good enough in my opinion, Carvajal wants CL football

Regarding Gerrard's successor, I quite like the look of Mateo Kovacic, and with Inter needing to free up money for a squad overhaul, he could be relatively cheap. Inter have previous for selling young talented midfielders for cheap. my only concern is that Kovacic is a play-maker, as is Henderson. Where is the holding midfielder? Another Serie A player on the market is Stephan El-Shaarawy. He's ben injured a lot recently and Milan are looking to sell but not to another Serie A team. Out of the top 5 or 6 teams in the BPL only Liverpool would have the room for him as a first team player. He's been linked with Arsenal but they have at least half a dozen players that can play in that role and at least three are better than him.

Liverpool has a lot in midfield role, I think

This would be my realistic Liverpool starting XI for next season:

Mignolet - hit n miss

Montoya - Skrtel - Lovren - Moreno - only Skrtel out in the back line as only decent defender

Can - Henderson - Kovacic - Decent, but who's holding? Can needs to bulk up

Coutinho - hyped too much, only had a good 2nd half of season, even Henderson did more than him

Sturridge - Jovetic - who knows with them 2

And with Sturridge's injuries, bring in Lallana and switch to a 'Christmas Tree'

Will Rodgers stick with a formation? can you cope with Thursday football?

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Welcome back Burrow! One of my favorite posters on these forums. Would agree with all the names you mentioned as well.

[uSER=45742]Vendetta[/uSER] - You're probably right on Tripper unfortunately, depressing when we know there are much better options/gambles available than going for yet another average Englishman that will likely be overpriced. Vietto is a good shout, apparently he's off to Atletico, would love him here and would suit us down to the ground, rather go for him than again, settle for the average Englishman in Ings, even though he'll be free.. don't want him.. if we get Ings that seals our low ambitions. It would also be a disaster if we don't invest in a CM/DM, that position is a must and IMO first priority, though closely followed by Fwd and then Rb, as both yourself and Burrow have mentioned, even Brenda knows we need one :) and I'd still like an improvement on Mignolet.

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[uSER=13823]TalentSearcher[/uSER] - Agree on Mignolet, Sakho imo is a better CB on the whole than Skrtel, would have them 2 as a pair.. Moreno certainly worries me, doesn't have a clue where he's supposed to be 9 times out of 10, reckon Montoya is a decent rb though, certainly better than what we have no? Can would be fine at DM I think, if not then just bring Lucas/Allen in, Lucas is still a very good player, Can could learn from Lucas if that was to be Can's long term position at the club.

Disagree with your points on Coutinho, he's been good all season, his stats would be way better if he had remotely capable players around him, in the little time Sturridge was back you could see already how much more Coutinho was flourishing. Without Studge, Coutinho is our only real threat, thus completely marked out of games, and even then, he still looks to be our best player to make something happen. All he needed to add to his game early season was goals, and he's done that in the second half of the season. Players who were hyped too much were players like Sterling, Barkley and Januzaj ;p Coutinho's been very good ever since he came here tbh.

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Will Rodgers stick with a formation? can you cope with Thursday football?

You think Emre Can is a small guy? Have you ever seen the guy? The guy is twice Lucas' size and Lucas was a fine DM for us until injury problems hit.

If you think Coutinho's hyped, clearly you know nothing, because he was voted by his fellow players in the Premier League Team of the Year. Not fans, not pundits, but fellow players. Those that play against him week in week out clearly think he's a fantastic talent.

And to say Liverpool have a lot in a midfield role truly shows you know absolutely nothing about football.

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Montoya isn't good enough in my opinion' date=' Carvajal wants CL football[/color']

Montoya is good enough when you considered our current crop of RB.

You might be right on Carvajal - but what's the point of staying if you can't get playing time? (assuming other manager coming to Madrid instead of Rafa)

Liverpool has a lot in midfield role, I think

A lot in what sense?

Decent, but who's holding? Can needs to bulk up

Assuming that's our starting midfielder next season, I would stick my neck out and say Can?

Can doesn't need to bulk up. He is the definition of tank of player; a fast tank. Fury.

[uSER=45742]Vendetta[/uSER] - You're probably right on Tripper unfortunately' date=' depressing when we know there are much better options/gambles available than going for yet another average Englishman that will likely be overpriced. Vietto is a good shout, apparently he's off to Atletico, would love him here and would suit us down to the ground, rather go for him than again, settle for the average Englishman in Ings, even though he'll be free.. don't want him.. if we get Ings that seals our low ambitions. It would also be a disaster if we don't invest in a CM/DM, that position is a must and IMO first priority, though closely followed by Fwd and then Rb, as both yourself and Burrow have mentioned, even Brenda knows we need one :) and I'd still like an improvement on Mignolet.[/quote']

The signing of Englishmen will depend alot based on the future of Brendan and transfer committee this week. If we stick with BR (I expect so), we will go for these kind of signing, but if we ended up with new managers and total abolishment of transfer committee; we might see some interesting signing. - based on pulling power of said manager.

Vietto to Atletico; surely nothing concrete yet?

Yeah, agreed on goalkeeper point - the other day I read alot of rumors mill linking us with many GK - particularly interested in Keylor Navas and Rui Patricio.

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You have Can, Henderson, Lallana, Allen, Lucas - if you bring in Milner, that will be 6, they can't all play and rotation won't help, If Rogders brings in more than you be overloaded in that area

What I was saying about Can, vs United Felliani had the better of him, I think there others that done it over the season as well

I don't think Montoya good enough, yes he might be better than what you got atm but I don't think he like a player to get in top 4 teams, Carvajal will get game time or move to a CL side

Coutinho 5 goals and 6 assist in the league - that isn't good enough for this type of player even Sterling(7goals 8 assists) or Henderson(6goals 9assists) done more

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Vietto to Atletico; surely nothing concrete yet?

Yeah' date=' agreed on goalkeeper point - the other day I read alot of rumors mill linking us with many GK - particularly interested in Keylor Navas and Rui Patricio.

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Nah nothing concrete on Vietto to Atletico, but apparently that is his preference, so I read on an article from some tabloid, but of course most of them are unreliable, though I could see him moving to Atletico if I'm honest. Still, would love him here! - Would love it if we got Keylor! Probably would be on the cheap too.

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Nah nothing concrete on Vietto to Atletico' date=' but apparently that is his preference, so I read on an article from some tabloid, but of course most of them are unreliable, though I could see him moving to Atletico if I'm honest. Still, would love him here! - Would love it if we got Keylor! Probably would be on the cheap too.[/quote']

Lets not forget Mignolet finished =1st in the Clean Sheet table, having played only one game fewer than Hart. Considering at one point he was dropped for Jones and his Anfield career looked dead, I think he's done really well and we should persevere with him. With all the expected merry-go-round of keepers it might be of some benefit to keep the keeper and back 2 the same.

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Lets not forget Mignolet finished =1st in the Clean Sheet table' date=' having played only one game fewer than Hart. Considering at one point he was dropped for Jones and his Anfield career looked dead, I think he's done really well and we should persevere with him. With all the expected merry-go-round of keepers it might be of some benefit to keep the keeper and back 2 the same. [/quote']

He has done very well yes, although.. another decent keeper, like Keylor would add some healthy competition for Mignolet.. it took Jones to 'challenge' Mignolet for Migs to get kicking, he'd be under constant pressure to perform from a Keylor/Ochoa and the likes. It's certainly done alright for Courtois, De Gea, Ospina, to have a capable challenger around to have them on alert. Few bad performances and a more than capable replacement could have my position here.

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He has done very well yes' date=' although.. another decent keeper, like Keylor would add some healthy competition for Mignolet.. it took Jones to 'challenge' Mignolet for Migs to get kicking, he'd be under constant pressure to perform from a Keylor/Ochoa and the likes. It's certainly done alright for Courtois, De Gea, Ospina, to have a capable challenger around to have them on alert. Few bad performances and a more than capable replacement could have my position here.[/quote']

Navas or Ochoa wouldn't move to be second choice. Perhaps a young keeper from the Championship would be best. Butland has made the step up.

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