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Ash' date='they are not signings that will scare anyone are they?[/quote']

They are not signings intended to scare anyone.

Bogdan is an extremely good no.2 keeper, something they don't have.

Milner on a free is a very good bit of business, if he proved he can produce for City, why can't he do so for Liverpool?

Ings for a compensation package is again good business, he'll be 23 next month and has the attributes to do well at a club like this, I'll be watching his pre-season closely.

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Let's call a spade a spade. Your signings are crap. Dreadful. Horrific. Horrendous. You can get all defensive and say I'm just trolling. But I was right last year and i'll be right again. Lambert, Balotelli, Milner, Ings, dear, oh dear. It's bloody awful. I remember when we signed Squllaci. People were saying, oh, he'd do a job. Same scenario. You should be fearful where your club is headed.

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Your aim should be top 4 and I don't think Milner and Ings are significant enough improvements on Gerrard and Balotelli to get you any closer to a CL spot. Especially when you consider that the teams above you are likely to strengthen. Especially when it looks very likely that Sterling will leave.

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Like I keep saying Falcao was a gamble - no one knew how his injury would affect him but we only knew his scoring records

Di Maria - 3rd top assister with 11' date=' been moved about in United squad and had a house burglary with has effected him[/quote']

Danny Ings: 11 goals, 4 assists

James Milner: 5 goals, 8 assists

Total: 16 goals, 12 assists

Total Cost: 5 million

Radamel Falcao: 4 goals, 5 assists

Angel di Maria: 3 goals, 11 assists

Total: 7 goals, 16 assists

Total Cost: 70 million

And the costs don't even include wages, which are obviously much higher for the latter than the former group.

How are our resident Manchester United geniuses going to argue their way out of this?

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Danny Ings: 11 goals' date=' 4 assists

James Milner: 5 goals, 8 assists 7 assists

Total: 16 goals, 12 assists 11 assists

Total Cost: 5 million

Radamel Falcao: 4 goals, 5 assists

Angel di Maria: 3 goals, 11 assists

Total: 7 goals, 16 assists

Total Cost: 70 million 59.7mil +6mil = 65.7mil

And the costs don't even include wages, which are obviously much higher for the latter than the former group.

How are our resident Manchester United geniuses going to argue their way out of this?

Ings was a starter for Burnley, Milner playing for City sometimes starting sometimes not, before quoting this let see how they do in a Liverpool shirt

Falcao wasn't a starter, he was a gamble, no 1 knew his fitnes, he got United 5 points and them 5 points could of got United top 4

Di Maria kept being moved about then dropped, Burglary must of effected his play, but 3rd on the assist table is good for his 1st season

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Ings was a starter for Burnley' date=' Milner playing for City sometimes starting sometimes not, before quoting this let see how they do in a Liverpool shirt

Falcao wasn't a starter, he was a gamble, no 1 knew his fitnes, he got United 5 points and them 5 points could of got United top 4

Di Maria kept being moved about then dropped, Burglary must of effected his play, but 3rd on the assist table is good for his 1st season

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You have those calculations wrong. Falcao cost Utd £24m in total.

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As a Man Utd supporter, I have to agree that Ings and Milner are reliable, well-made buys which will help Pool a lot. Astute business. No doubt about that.

Utd, on the other hand, bought AdM for a truckload of cash but for a world-class player, we couldn't have got him for more. And his statistics for this season should not be compared to his transfer fee, AdM's first season in England would have always been tough, and the burglary obviously affected him.

We will have to see how Ings and Milner do this season, although the risk is minimal as compared to Falcao and AdM. Pool can't afford to make those risks yet again.

Ings and Milner aren't marquee signings, but they are what Pool require now.

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Burnley scored 28 goals and Ings had a hand in 15 of them, over 50%, id say getting him on a relative free is a great deal for any club. Milner might not set the world a light, but any club in the league would gladly take him, can play in multiple positions and you always know what you're gonna get as a bare minimum. Great teams are made on players with spine and determination not flashy show ponies.

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read what Tomowen put underneath

And the costs don't even include wages' date=' which are obviously much higher for the latter than the former group.[/i']

Nope, James Milner has 8 assists. And even if he didn't, that one assist doesn't even change my point and conclusion.

Yes, I didn't calculate wages because it would look much much worse for you. If you include wages, it would look horrifically bad for you lot. So, so bad. Honestly, please read what you write. It's unbelievable you managed to get out of primary school.

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An article by Rory Smith. Brilliant read imo.

The second time I met John Henry, he was having trouble ordering his breakfast. We were in Liverpool's offices on Chapel Street, a few weeks after he and the rest of Fenway Sports Group had finally chased Tom Hicks and George Gillett out of town.

Henry is an amiable sort: open, calm, fiercely intelligent. He is extremely likeable. That is a factor that has played in his (and FSG's) favour over the past four years. By the standards of the sort of people who can afford to buy a Premier League club, Henry seems OK. Liverpool fans, by and large, want him to do well.

I spent about half an hour in his company that morning. He was in that stage of seeking as many views as possible about the state of the club he had bought: he had met with players, coaching staff, other employees and fans. Now he had finally reached the bottom of the food chain, soliciting the opinions of the local journalists.

Ours was his first meeting of the day. He had not eaten. After about five minutes, a girl came in bringing us all coffee and tea. Nervously, she asked if she could get Henry any breakfast. Very politely, he said yes. He would like, he said, scrambled egg whites on wheat-germ toast, please.

The girl looked at him. He looked at the girl. She really wanted to have understood what he had just said. "Scrambled eggs?" she said.

"Scrambled egg whites," he corrected her, gently. "On wheat-germ toast."

"On toast?" she said. "Wheat-germ toast," he replied.

You could see her trying to remember the sounds, because she certainly did not recognise the words. Maybe someone in the kitchen would know what he was talking about.

Now, memory is a tricky thing. I have been telling that story to anyone who does not have any mechanism by which to publish it for the past four years. It has become a little morphed with each retelling. In my version, the punchline is that Henry is served a fried egg in what is known, in my part of the world, as a butty and has to gulp it down out of his own sense of courtesy.

I think that is probably not true. I think he was probably given scrambled egg whites on wheat-germ toast, but vowed at that point to get his breakfast in the hotel from then on.

That story comes to mind quite often when I think about Henry, Liverpool and FSG. Not because it is representative of some sort of cultural clash, not because it stands as a cipher for a group of owners who don't (in the parlance of the fan) "get" the club they have bought. That is not a fair accusation; FSG and Henry do get it. They get it better than most overseas owners, anyway.

No, it comes to mind because it suggests that Henry (I will stress again that I like him very much) is a bit faddy to English eyes. Scrambled egg whites on wheat-germ toast is, I am sure, an excellent thing to have for breakfast. It is, I am quite certain, very good for you indeed, and it is the sort of thing that we should all eat first thing in the morning. It is probably because of all the scrambled egg whites and wheat-germ toast that Henry looks so youthful for 65 and that he has managed to accrue a fortune of $1.6 billion.

It's just that, well, Henry might be from small-town Illinois, have made his money in New York and now be a regular fixture in the most rarefied circles of Boston society, but that is the sort of breakfast just smacks of California. It's the sort of thing Gwyneth Paltrow would probably tell you to eat in the morning, and then everyone would have that for breakfast for six months, but then someone else would come along and say that actually egg whites give you rheumatoid arthritis and that it's better to have stewed plums and kitten's tears for breakfast, so we'd all eat that instead.

Whenever I think of John Henry, Liverpool and FSG, I think of that breakfast, and then I think that I bet he doesn't have that for breakfast anymore. And the reason I think that is not just because of the Paltrow factor. It is because that is how he has run Liverpool (and how, after he lost interest, Tom Werner and Mike Gordon have run Liverpool). Increasingly, that breakfast strikes me as being perfectly indicative of FSG's reign.

There are many reasons to criticise the state of Liverpool at the moment: the sackings of the coaching staff, the transfer committee, the Brendan Rodgers-ness of Brendan Rodgers. But the main root of all of these problems is that FSG treat their team like I suspect John Henry treats his breakfast.

They arrived back in 2011: the wheat-germ toast days. They hired Damien Comolli and decreed that they were going to do Moneyball and be successful. Except that that didn't work (almost immediately) and so, they sacked him.

Then, when Comolli's wheat-germ toast was out of fashion, they moved on; they have not stopped moving since. FSG are owners with the right intentions and many of the right ideas, but they are critically undermined by being so susceptible to what can only be described as guru thinking. Henry, and the organisation he runs, have this awful habit of falling head over heels for one idea, following it to the letter and then a few months later scratching that and going for something else.

They are, in many ways, football's equivalent of the fad dieters. They have done the Dukan, the Atkins, the 5:2, the paleo. They have gone through all the phases: no carbs, no fat, no sugar, no apples, just steak.

So when they sacked Comolli and decided to appoint Rodgers, they initially wanted to ally him with another director of football. This, they felt, was the best way to be successful: dynamic young coach, wise old head guiding him through the transfer market. But then they met Rodgers. He had his PowerPoint presentation and his envelopes, and they fell for him. He said he did not want a director of football, so they changed their minds.

Phase three was the transfer committee (the 5:2 diet) when FSG decided that Rodgers could not be trusted on his own in the market and needed lots of different brains to help. That remains in place, and they seem wedded to the structure, but the problem now is that the transfer committee cannot decide what they think because FSG's priorities keep changing.Last summer, the idea was to buy young players, brightly promising ones and then watch as they developed under Rodgers' careful tuition. This was not their first "philosophy" in the transfer market: they had already been through the "British Is Best" phase, and then the "Recreate Rodgers's Swansea" phase, and then the "Undervalued Bargains From Abroad" phase.

In December, though, they were so confident that signing young players with resale value was the way forward that they considered sacking their manager because he was not playing these new signings enough, or in the right position. Fast-forward six months and the criteria have changed again. Now they want Premier League-Proven players, the least imaginative transfer strategy imaginable, an approach that actually negates the need for scouts at all and would work just as well if you gave control of it to someone who's done quite well at fantasy football in the past 12 months.

In other words, FSG never, ever, seem to quite make up their mind.

There are countless issues at Liverpool. The players, clearly, have lost their ardent faith in the manager. The transfer committee is stocked with the wrong people. The manager does not remember what he wanted to be because he has spent so long claiming to be so many different things. Someone, somewhere, has had the chutzpah to pretend it is all the fault of assistants Colin Pascoe and Mike Marsh. If you don't see that decision as either damning for Rodgers as a man for lack of loyalty or damning for Rodgers as a manager for total lack of faith from above, then you are deluding yourself, because they are the only two options.

But at the back of so much of it is FSG's lack of a plan. They have one off the pitch -- make Liverpool self-sustaining by expanding their commercial reach -- but on it, they are no nearer to knowing what they want to do than they were that day when Henry tried to order wheat-germ toast.

That is why I think of that story. Because FSG know what they want, but they have never been quite able to work out how to get it.

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Nope' date=' James Milner has 8 assists. And even if he didn't, that one assist doesn't even change my point and conclusion.

Yes, I didn't calculate wages because it would look much much worse for you. If you include wages, it would look horrifically bad for you lot. So, so bad. Honestly, please read what you write. It's unbelievable you managed to get out of primary school.

Look at Liverpool and United money wise, United can go out and buy and offer players high salaries where Liverpool struggle

What can Liverpool offer to high end players?

Milner done 7 assists

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Combined_2014-15.html

I say what I think, even if you don't like it

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Look at Liverpool and United money wise' date=' United can go out and buy and offer players high salaries where Liverpool struggle

What can Liverpool offer to high end players?

Milner done 7 assists

[url']http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Combined_2014-15.html[/url]

I say what I think, even if you don't like it

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/james-milner/profil/spieler/3333

At least get your data from reliable sources.

Yes, but you argue that our signings are poor, when your track record of signings has been worse when you've spent 15 times as much money. Basically you haven't managed to disprove anything I say, other than attempt to argue that Milner has one less assist, which still makes Milner and Ings' record much preferable to Falcao and Di Maria's.

See that may be the problem. Maybe you should think a bit more before you start your logorrhea.

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http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/james-milner/profil/spieler/3333

At least get your data from reliable sources.

Yes' date=' but you argue that our signings are poor, when your track record of signings has been worse when you've spent 15 times as much money. Basically you haven't managed to disprove anything I say, other than attempt to argue that Milner has one less assist, which still makes Milner and Ings' record much preferable to Falcao and Di Maria's.

See that may be the problem. Maybe you should think a bit more before you start your logorrhea.[/quote']

All I got to say is wait for them to wear the Liverpool shirt as your taking their stats from City and Burnley

Milner only a work horse, not creative and not the best out there. Ings, I just dont think he good enough, would Ings get in the top 4 starting XI? highly doubtful

Di Maria needs time, he so unpredictable at times and Falcao was a gamble based upon his goal record elsewhere but United played smart and Loan him instead of buying

United has the money/salary and more to attract players, What has Liverpool got?

Recent news are saying Liverpool trying to hijack Falcao deal. You complaining about him but yet might have him

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