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he's been in charge of the academy since may 2009!!!!

So ? he should done it earlier, doesnt take a genious . . . christ the bloke is the manager of one of the worlds most famous clubs, he has responsbilities.

what is this blip - we've lost 2 of the last 11 and won 6 of them!!

Blip = your whole season

slightly off topic but hasnt lerner told oneill that he has to sell before he buys now (and will lose his 'best owner in the prem tag' in the bargain)?

Where did you read this bud ? can you link me up. Although im not suprised, he is a clever man, and with his NFL side struggling for cash i believe, im not shocked, little dissapointed but we have a few who we could sell, and im sure it wouldnt be on a basis where all the money we can spend comes from sales.

Either way, i think he is one of the best :P Certainly hasnt lumbered us with millions of debt :D

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Blip = your whole season

Hahaha

I can't talk about blips but still...

This might have been answered but if Liverpool don't make the UCL for two years (hypothetical, don't bash me for it) could they realistically recover quickly?

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So ? he should done it earlier' date=' doesnt take a genious . . . christ the bloke is the manager of one of the worlds most famous clubs, he has responsbilities.[/quote']

the point is that he had nothing to do with the youth setup, so its unfair to put the failings of others on him when he had no input into it until last summer

Blip = your whole season

fair point' date=' but the terrible season is down to him, the players and my favourite two americans...

Where did you read this bud ? can you link me up. Although im not suprised, he is a clever man, and with his NFL side struggling for cash i believe, im not shocked, little dissapointed but we have a few who we could sell, and im sure it wouldnt be on a basis where all the money we can spend comes from sales.

heard it on the radio when they were discussing villa (may have been 5live) - think i've read he's invested around £150m into villa since buying the club (or at least thats the amount of soft debt villa have) so its only fair that he'd want it back/not invest as much after a while i suppose, and you've invested pretty heavily the past 2 summers as well

This might have been answered but if Liverpool don't make the UCL for two years (hypothetical' date=' don't bash me for it) could they realistically recover quickly?[/quote']

depends on who owns the club - with these two if we missed out on 2 cl seasons it would be very difficult to recover imo, with someone who is competent and can invest (not talking city amounts here) i dont think it would be too bad, especially as we went 16 years without being in the european cup/champions league and coped fine then

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Thats a fair point but i wasnt blaming the lack of talent coming through currently on him, like you say if he only took over last year, its not directly his fault

However my point is, as the clubs manager he pretty much has the say on most things, backroom staff etc

Surely, ( i know i would if i was in his position ) would be to assess the academy as soon as i joined, bringing in the coaches, that meet your demands, and bringing in scouts and other academy staff to who meet your demands.

IMO he should of took some iniative and took over much much earlier.

We certainly have invested heavily, but prior to him taking over we actually had the prems smallest squad, and alot of deadwood. We still have some now that needs to be cleared :D

Im by no means pinning this whole issue on Benitez, but unlike players and chairman, managers have to take the blame sometimes, purely because the players and chairman are in positions where they cant be sacked ! unfortunately for you guys

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Thats a fair point but i wasnt blaming the lack of talent coming through currently on him' date=' like you say if he only took over last year, its not directly his fault

However my point is, as the clubs manager he pretty much has the say on most things, backroom staff etc

Surely, ( i know i would if i was in his position ) would be to assess the academy as soon as i joined, bringing in the coaches, that meet your demands, and bringing in scouts and other academy staff to who meet your demands.

IMO he should of took some iniative and took over much much earlier.

[/quote']

He has tried, but until last year he hasnt really had the power.

Last year due to the great season we was having he had a massive backing (well he always has, but the glory / part time fans where also behind him) so would not sign his new contract until he was given full control of things.

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If anything' date=' at least us finally losing again brung you guys back posting on here as ive missed you since we have been winning :)[/quote']

Pipe down fella, i would of been on here to poke fun at any opportunity, just so happens your dope of a dad deleted the thread i was suscribed to and i dont care for you enough to search for this thread :D

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Thats a fair point but i wasnt blaming the lack of talent coming through currently on him' date=' like you say if he only took over last year, its not directly his fault

However my point is, as the clubs manager he pretty much has the say on most things, backroom staff etc

Surely, ( i know i would if i was in his position ) would be to assess the academy as soon as i joined, bringing in the coaches, that meet your demands, and bringing in scouts and other academy staff to who meet your demands.

[/quote']

he's brought in quite a few people on the youth side, including the fella who brought through the likes of bojan and messi at barca and has signed some very good youth prospects (dalla valle, pacheco, insua and sterling a few days ago) so its not as if he was just twiddling his thumbs on the youth issue prior to him getting control, he did try and bring in some who didnt make the grade but turned a small profit (anderson, hobbs)

Im by no means pinning this whole issue on Benitez' date=' but unlike players and chairman, managers have to take the blame sometimes[/quote']

has there ever been a situation where the chairman and players get blamed over the manager in bad situations?? ;)

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depends on who owns the club - with these two if we missed out on 2 cl seasons it would be very difficult to recover imo' date=' with someone who is competent and can invest (not talking city amounts here) i dont think it would be too bad, especially as we went 16 years without being in the european cup/champions league and coped fine then[/quote']

Yeah it does, but the last comment sounds more hopeful than anything :P

16 years without is fine but you weren't in heaps of debt were you?

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Yeah it does' date=' but the last comment sounds more hopeful than anything :P

16 years without is fine but you weren't in heaps of debt were you?[/quote']

yup - wouldnt be overly bothered with missing out on CL football if there wasnt that purchase debt but its there and with the owners far more likely to put the club in admin (not that i think this will happen) than temporarily dip into their pockets to help the club get back on its feet then it becomes a big worry, especially with the other teams around you spending big and you're standing still with a captain saving himself for england/big games you really do worry

on the plus side it might keep him out of the team for a while, but i doubt they'd throw the book at an ingerlund player

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Yesterday was the first time in a very very long time where I can actually say I was angry with the performance. We are talking about a Wigan side who were low in confidence. A side which had scored just 3 goals in their last 7 EPL games and in that time just kept one clean sheet. A side which has been on the wrong end of some real drubbings this season. Yet we managed to lose, but also make them look more than competent. Fair enough they may have upped their game knowing one of the big boys were in town (not taking anything away from their performance) but we should still have beaten them comfortably or at least put in a performance wothy of victory. Certainly if we had any ideas of reaching the fourth place. Alas I suspect that aim is all but gone and like Tom I'm amazed at how the bookmakers are still valuing us at 3/1 knowing we still have Old Trafford to visit and Chelsea to play and bearing in mind this abject performance. Even getting into Europe at all is looking difficult :eek:

First half performance summed up our season really. For the most part clueless in how to win the game, error-strewn throughout, no real evidence of drive or desire from anyone wearing the shirt, a goal given away of our own making and the odd wasted chance which under normal circumstaces we would have buried. It's just so hard to understand where the belief from last year is gone. More important still when you're not performing as you should is the desire to give your all and it's sad to say it, but I honestly don't think more than a handful of players in our squad can say they have shown that this season. If some of the players could garner even half the passion the fans have shown despite our troubled times, we may be going somewhere. Second half was better, but not by much. Last season, even if we were 2 or 3 goals down with 20 minutes left, most of us would have still had the belief we could get back in the game and get a result and perhaps would have been expectant of it. This season is quite the opposite and personally when we go just one goal behind a comeback immediately becomes a remote possibilty :( . The upping of tempo and increasing the pressure on the opposition almost forcing them into submission that was present last season is rare to be seen this from us this time around.

Glad to see Rafa berate the players in public, because frankly yesterday was not good enough whichever way you want to look at it. I can only pray it hasthe desired effect. No noises coming out of the club currently are positive, much as they haven't been all season. The owners and the uncertainty in the club has been a major factor, but it's certainly not been the only one. The players need to take a good look at themselves and think about their futures at the club. Personally, I don't think anyone is safe. Wearing the Liverpool red should be an honour for any player, but it has to be an honour which is deserved and one which you can only continue to have if you continue to give your all. It doesn't matter if you're an up and coming player or an established international, if you can't get yourself up for giving your all when you go on the field or are going to moan left, right and centre when X didn't pass to you and let it affect your performance, well then you can bugger off and let someone else have a chance who is more respectful of this honour. It's time to ship out all the players who are not showing the pride in the shirt and allow the players who are willing to work and get the club back to where they should be to have a chance.

Regardless if we get the 4th spot in the league or not now, this season is a write-off as far as I'm concerned. But what it has emphasised is that whole sale changes are needed in many ways. Whilst some things are going to be difficult to budge (them upstairs :rolleyes:), none of the playing staff should be immune from the axe. And quite frankly, it's time to get the axe sharpened for several of the senior squad irrespective of their grandiose views about their own worth in the squad.

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I think Gerrard summed up at one stage what i believe is wrong with LFC when he was going berserk that nobody was making a move up front when looking to pass the ball on .

To be honest though he was just as guilty as sin most times his self .

I know you cant live in the past but through the best times we were winning with what Paisley called simple football ,pass and move ,pass and move .

You didn't stand still like you re feet were growing roots into the ground ,you kept on the move so the player with the ball didn't just have one option he had at least 3 .

Even sometimes when passing the player came to the ball if it was not a ball put through for him to run on to .

Ours at the moment just stand waiting for it to reach them rather than go towards it ,we are so lethargic and easy to read .

It makes you wonder if instead of realising what a great year last year actually was and should have been pushing on if the players think their selves that was the best shot they could give and its totally wiped them out mentally for this season .

Or do they mentally now think and believe like most paper reports keep saying Liverpool are a two man team ,they back this up with the claim it was only Gerrard and Torres that seemed to show more frustration last night with what was going on hence Stevie getting booked for a tackle you could see came out of anger and frustration just like Torres racing back at the end after Boyce .

Take Rafa will now get stick because he openly last night questioned the teams character ,commitment and attitude which normally is done behind closed doors .

But can you blame him after that inept bottle-less display ,even if your playing bad you still sweat blood and tears for the cause ,or at least try to fool us and show you care .

Rafa when he fetched his Valencia to Liverpool we got taught a football lesson in holding the ball and making the pass count ,well the amount of times this season we have lost possession by giving the ball away when passing to a fellow player ,which last night boarded on the " unwatchable " no wonder he is starting to question the players themselves .

Look across Stanley park at the Toffees the way they play for the cause in Blue and give their all for Moyes ,it makes me think the unthinkable question even though Rafa has been the best manager we have had in the Prem and he keeps breaking records ,is his man managment that bad that though he has been great for the club and to me still is that this side is whats let him down and he has actually lost the dressing room ,hence why we have been bad this season .:confused::)

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Not good at all' date=' it could have been easily 2-1 or maybe even 2-0 to us, with Torres hitting the post and then his volley going wide, wasn't in full form, we should have came out of there with something.[/quote']

How long ago if ever did we see one of his shots go out for a throw in? :P

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Since when was it a criminal offense to 'mouth an obscenity'? Not as if it doesn't happen in every single game every single week.

And theres no proof that that was arude hand gesture. The pictures merely suggests he was showing two fingers which could have been him indicating anything. Only a second foul for instance.

As for getting a win? No chance, the better team won last night for sure. If you honestly thought we could have won that last night you need to see an optician. We had chances yes, but we never really looked like scoring. We were completely outplayed in every department. It was as if we were the team looking to avoid relegation and Wigan were playing top 4 football.

Credit to Wigan btw, Martinez has good them playing some good football. Hope they stay up.

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a bit of good news

Blackburn striker El-Hadji Diouf could be jailed for two years after being accused of assaulting a woman in a late-night casino brawl.

The Senegal international has been charged with wounding with intent amid claims he was involved in the fight back in his homeland.

Local woman Khady Sy claims the 29-year-old and his pro-wrestler bodyguard Cheik Sadibou Boye assaulted her at the exclusive Casino du Cap Vert at Almadies in June last year.

According to the Daily Express, Diouf appeared in court in Senegal last Friday while on a visit back home for a charity event.

He faces a two-year prison sentence if the case comes to trial at Dakar's district court.

Blackburn officials said they did not know anything about the court appearance.

A club spokesman told the Daily Star: "He was over there at the weekend on the invitation of the Senegalese president for a charity event."

Diouf is no stranger to controversy and was accused of attacking Aicha Ba, ex-wife of his former international and club team-mate Khalilou Fadiga, in 2006. Three years earlier, he pleaded guilty to assault after spitting at Celtic fans

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a bit of good news

Blackburn striker El-Hadji Diouf could be jailed for two years after being accused of assaulting a woman in a late-night casino brawl.

The Senegal international has been charged with wounding with intent amid claims he was involved in the fight back in his homeland.

Local woman Khady Sy claims the 29-year-old and his pro-wrestler bodyguard Cheik Sadibou Boye assaulted her at the exclusive Casino du Cap Vert at Almadies in June last year.

According to the Daily Express' date=' Diouf appeared in court in Senegal last Friday while on a visit back home for a charity event.

He faces a two-year prison sentence if the case comes to trial at Dakar's district court.

Blackburn officials said they did not know anything about the court appearance.

A club spokesman told the Daily Star: "He was over there at the weekend on the invitation of the Senegalese president for a charity event."

Diouf is no stranger to controversy and was accused of attacking Aicha Ba, ex-wife of his former international and club team-mate Khalilou Fadiga, in 2006. Three years earlier, he pleaded guilty to assault after spitting at Celtic fans[/quote']

How is that good news? For anyone who is about to face Blackburn yeah, but for us? We already played them twice.

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Quote from the official website of Liverpool:

Lauri Dalla Valle was on the mark as Liverpool Reserves reached the final of the Liverpool Senior Cup with a 3-0 win over Tranmere Rovers at the Kirkby Academy on Wednesday afternoon.

The Finnish starlet was making his first start of the season for the second string and netted after 42 minutes with an excellent finish from a seemingly impossible angle.

Too bad I can't find a video for that goal... Has anyone seen it or does anyone know if there's a video of that goal somewhere on the internet?

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Quote from the official website of Liverpool:

Too bad I can't find a video for that goal... Has anyone seen it or does anyone know if there's a video of that goal somewhere on the internet?

I'm pretty sure you'd find it on the LFC TV website, unless you checked already, and they opt to show it on the LFC TV broadcasting channel itself. Lauri Dalla Valle is a huge talent for Liverpool though.

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