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I don't think that's entirely true. There are pretty strong rumours saying that Benitez will become the manager of Inter and he's going to try and take Masch with him. With possibly Real Madrid' date=' Barca & Inter after him I think we'll get £30 millions

There was also a rumour a couple days ago that Benitez is going to try to buy Kuyt for 15-20M€ if he goes to Inter:)[/quote']

no ones furtures certain until we know who our new manager is.

remeber when rafa took over. not many of us where exepecting michael owen to be sold but it turned out to be the right decission as the money allowed us to get alsono and luis garcia who where vital to us winning the CL.

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Benitez really has left us with a Big Bowl of interesting flavoured soup (not to mention the youth system). Bravo :rolleyes:

yeah, its benitez's fault that the squad was sold off to pay off debts wasnt it? guess that decent coach will spend all summer on the sidelines, oh wait, he's off to inter milan, y'know european champions inter milan?

the youth system that he only was in charge of for 1 year?? which btw there has been a lot of good work with some of the coaches he brought in who could now move on (segura is on a 1 year deal), so there's one likely consequence of rafa going, some of the best youth coaches in the world who he had assembled instead of the garbage that was there who's sole decent player in 10 years was steven warnock are highly likely to follow him out the door now.

another consequence the rafa out brigade never thought of

oh, and if big players are sold this summer (very likely) dont expect much of that money to go back into the squad, just about all of it is going to rbs/kop cayman. sorry to ruin the fun of online footy manager for some of youse with heads in the sand

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great article in the indy today:

When Kenny Dalglish – or as he will soon be renamed "Kingmaker Kenny" – conducts his first interview for the role of manager of Liverpool Football Club it will be interesting to hear him set out the job description. We can only pray he speaks very slowly and very honestly. For it is only fair the candidates be made completely aware of what is expected of them.

But then, we all know Dalglish won't really be involved in the process and that he's only been called upon to douse the anger of the mutineers. It'll be down to whichever puppet the owners/board choose. Whoever it is – whether it's the chairman, chief executive or a £10,000-an hour headhunter – they will have to be some salesman. A smooth-talker whose next assignment will not be to sell sand to the Arabs but sell a debt- ridden club to the Arabs. Perhaps the spiel to the prospective gaffer should go something like this...

"Right let's get down to it – the last chap was a disaster. Rafa Benitez failed dismally. In six seasons he reached only two Champions' League finals, winning only one of them to go alongside his one FA Cup. How dare he? And don't even get us started about the Premier League. Do you know it took him five seasons to lead the club to its best League season in 19 years. Five seasons? I ask you, how much time did he want?

"Yes, yes, 2008-09 was rather promising on the face of it, losing just two games and collecting more points than any other runner-up in the history of the League. But we found out what he was about in the next campaign. Way down in seventh, a whole seven points off the fourth-place finish with which we would have been satisfied. It couldn't go on, so it didn't. Particularly when the press came on side and started printing the myths dressed up as damning statistics.

"Benitez signed more than 70 players for more than £240m. True, 30 of them were youth players and he did sell quite a few, too. In fact, when you do the actual maths his net spend is more like £80m, less than Spurs and, of course, less than Manchester City in the same period. But £240m sounds better, don't you think? And the wages? Well, yes, ours are about three-quarters of United's and Chelsea's, but what's that got to do with anything? This ungrateful man thought just because the new owners have given him virtually nowt to spend since they took over in 2007 he could whinge about it. Couldn't he see we're all suffering here? That even poor old George and Tom, as hard as they have tried, have been forced to put the club £350m in debt.

"So, you'll understand, we had to get rid of him. He would definitely have caused a fuss when we sold Torres and Gerrard and gave him £15m for squad strengthening. You wouldn't mind managing without those two would you? After all, Rafa effectively had to last season, with the Spaniard always injured and the new England captain in the worst form of his career.

"Still, there was no need for anyone to focus on that when they could blame him for selling Xabi Alonso and bringing in Alberto Aquilani. The most outrageous thing was that we only made £10m because of that piece of dreadful business. No, he had to go and now we have to go for a manager able to mask the cracks as we move ever deeper into the red and try to sell this club for a price it is simply not worth.

"So here's what we expect from the new boss in a nutshell. You must qualify for the Champions' League every year, winning it more often than once every six years and reaching the final every three years; you must do better in the Premier League than simply finishing a better second than any team before; and you must do all this on a smaller budget than your rivals, despite the fact everybody will claim otherwise. Do all that – and more importantly do it without moaning – and you'll be a hero in Liverpool and Texas. And please don't suffer one bad season that may or may not be a blip. Because you'll never be able to prove it was a blip. Because we'll get rid of you straight away and Fleet Street will applaud us for doing so.

"The fans? To hell with them. Thanks to those who we will soon have to call our 'friends in the press', the Anfield faithful can be dismissed as being more deluded than those cultists in Waco. Didn't you know they only stuck by Rafa because they had made him the figurehead for their protests. Well, that's what the columnists said anyway. It soon became accepted as a journalistic truth that the Liverpool support was 'in denial' when it came to Rafa and that in their hatred of the Americans they couldn't spot his inadequacies. Insulting? Perhaps just a little bit, considering we're talking here about fans who have consistently proved to be among the most knowledgeable. But it did the trick. They were talking rubbish – Rafa was rubbish. Had to go.

"So that brings us nicely on to you. How can you say no? Liverpool is a massive club, as you well know. And if we're bought out by some rich Arabs one day we might again have the finances of a massive club. To be honest, I wouldn't expect that to be Dubai now as they're more skint than we are. But someone with bottomless pockets will turn up. You just need to give off the illusion this club are as big as they ever were while we're waiting.

"So if you will just sign here, Mr Hiddink? Mr Hiddink? Mr Hiddink? Please don't slam the door, we've only just mended it from when Souness left...

"Valerie, get me Dalglish on the phone. Ask him if he would be kind enough to stop the fans from rioting, will you?"

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yeah' date=' its benitez's fault that the squad was sold off to pay off debts wasnt it? guess that decent coach will spend all summer on the sidelines, oh wait, he's off to inter milan, y'know european champions inter milan?

the youth system that he only was in charge of for 1 year?? which btw there has been a lot of good work with some of the coaches he brought in who could now move on (segura is on a 1 year deal), so there's one likely consequence of rafa going, some of the best youth coaches in the world who he had assembled instead of the garbage that was there who's sole decent player in 10 years was steven warnock are highly likely to follow him out the door now.

another consequence the rafa out brigade never thought of

oh, and if big players are sold this summer (very likely) dont expect much of that money to go back into the squad, just about all of it is going to rbs/kop cayman. sorry to ruin the fun of online footy manager for some of youse with heads in the sand[/quote']

Talk about head in the sand... How much more excuse making and finger pointing can these Benitez apologists come up with. Am beginning to get a real understanding that it's always someone else's fault...:rolleyes: What a simple passive way to walk through life...

These Benitez apologists would have us believe that (A) he gets a free pass for his transfer market performance (B) he gets a free pass for not developing any young players, © he gets a free pass for losing the locker room & alienating important players and (D) he gets a free pass for completely losing the plot on the pitch.

In their "head in the sand" world, I wonder what this guy actually got paid for doing. Ha ! What a joke. Sign me up for working for them...! Get paid zillions, lose the plot and take no responsibility. What a job. And yet somehow Benitez could still look himself in the mirror. Sign me up!

But I don't blame this guy for continuing to use smoke and mirrors to try to prove his points on here... Lord knows he's still trying to come up with a point to back-up his statement after the embarrassing 0-2 butt-kicking by Pompey that (and I paraphrase):

"There is no way that Portsmouth are the worst team in the league. They are much better than their record suggests."

That takes the cake in terms of Benitez apologist statements... :rolleyes:

I'll correct the mistakes in this previous post (^^^) :

(1) Near as anyone can tell, none (if any) of the debt has been paid off. So "No", player sales from Benitez's control of the transfer market finances were not used to pay down any debt. They were simply squandered by him.

(2) As far as the youth system goes. Perry and his son (who I think had a hand in it, certainly have to carry their share of the responsibility). Perry not giving this up sooner spoke to (A) him trying to retain some "real-estate" in his power struggle with Benitez. (B) two different management teams @L4 not trusting Benitez with being able to build it, or © a bit of both.

But where was Benitez for the 5 years that he watched this poor youth program? Are we to believe that he didn't see what was going on ? And if he did see what was going on, how on earth did it take him 5 full years to do or say anything about it. He had a hand in this just like Perry. To think otherwise is just naive.

When Benitez evaluated and subsequently acquired players for the youth system, his purpose WAS to bring in players with the ability to make it into the LFC 1st Team squad.

His rationale for acquiring players WAS NOT to just supply players to the Lower Leagues.

Unfortunately for him and us, the latter is the reality of what has happened. His evaluation of youth players was poor and hasn't worked out.

The players that he has brought in have only gone as far as outfitting Championship, League One & League Two clubs. Well done son...

Yes there are Connor Coady and maybe Andre Wisdom who could step up from the reserves...

....But, let's just run down a quick list of some of the big ticket guys that Benitez brought into that youth/reserves system while he was in charge of the Transfer strings...

  • Jack Hobbs

  • Nikolay Mihaylov

  • Astrit Ajdarevic

  • Paul Anderson

  • Godwin Antwi

  • Miki Roque

  • Mikel San Jose

And that's just a handful of busts off the top of my head...

He brought these players in to play for Liverpool. Not to develop them and then sell them to Lower League teams.

Am beginning to see a pattern here with Benitez's approach to player evaluation.

Rather than good due diligence, Benitez employs the "Messy Underwear Approach" : Throw it against the wall and see what sticks...

And the really sad thing is that even if (big IF) a player was brought through the system... Benitez wasn't going to give them time with the 1st Team anyway. Case in point...How long did it take talents like Pacheco to finally get a run with the First Team this past year ?

(3) Of course people thought about guys like Segura and Borrell leaving. So what ?

What is your rationale with that statement ? What are you driving at ?

Benitez clearly (A) lost the plot on the pitch (B) lost the clubhouse, © lost the plot in the Transfer Market & player evaluation and (D) most importantly had showed no signs of changing his approach.

Are you saying that Liverpool should allow a guy who fits that description to keep his job and keep pulling the strings, just so we can keep the youth academy coaches ? Is that your rationale ?

I just think a change was necessary all around this club. From the owners to the manager to the clubhouse. Usually with that comes some collateral damage and some unintended losses. It's to be expected.

Bottom line is that Benitez's skill-set isn't cut out for the current position that he and the owners have put the team in. It's just not.

To believe that Benitez had the skill-set to lead LFC in it's current situation you would really have to have your "head in the sand, (as you said). His skill-set is better suited for a different scenario. It just is. Guy is limited in his ability. He can only captain certain types of waters.

That said, best of luck to him in his next job.

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Near as anyone can tell' date=' none (if any) of the debt has been paid off.[/quote']

where do you think the robbie keane money went - in another account for a new manager to spend? i'd bet my house that the profits made from transfers the past 3 windows have gone to pay off interest (£20m profit i believe according to the accounts) and it sure as hell didnt go to the team

And if he did see what was going on' date=' how on earth did it take him 5 full years to do or say anything about it.[/quote']

he was trying to get the power for the youth setup but until parry went he didnt get that and parry employed piet hamburg for that

He brought these players in to play for Liverpool. Not to develop them and then sell them to Lower League teams.

a youth system has 3 functions:

1. develop first team stars

2. develop good squad players that go to uefa quotas

3. develop players who may not be good enough for you but you can sell on to raise money for the clubs coffers

now point 1 liverpool have been very poor with over its history bar the 1990s' date=' point 2 has been ok with and point 3 is something we've been relatively good at the past few years (man united have been excellent at this btw) and some of the 'flops' he signed have turned a profit, and some of the more recent arrivals have been pretty promising who could do a job in the future (i.e. pacheco, dalla valle, kelly), sadly rafa wont be able to enjoy the fruits

And the really sad thing is that even if (big IF) a player was brought through the system... Benitez wasn't going to give them time with the 1st Team anyway. Case in point...How long did it take talents like Pacheco to finally get a run with the First Team this past year ?

maybe he wanted to ease him in more gently so not to put too much pressure on him or his body (e.g. look at insua - played far more games than benitez would have wanted and was clearly exhausted by feb)

(3)[/b] Of course people thought about guys like Segura and Borrell leaving. So what ?

because they are two of the top youth coaches around and it will massively affect the future of the playing staff at the club?? and that they are infrastructure improvements that have been badly needed for decades

Are you saying that Liverpool should allow a guy who [/b]fits that description to keep his job and keep pulling the strings' date=' just so we can keep the youth academy coaches ? [/b'] Is that your rationale ?

no, he, like his predecessors deserved a chance to turn things around, esp for what he's done in his previous 5 years, and he definitely did not deserve to be treated in the manner that he had the past few weeks, but considering that he publicly outed the yanks they were always going to demean him publicly when they wanted rid of him

I just think a change was necessary all around this club. From the owners to the manager to the clubhouse. Usually with that comes some collateral damage and some unintended losses. It's to be expected.

you're right' date=' changes needed to be made. the wrong one was made though, 4 other people needed to leave before rafa

Bottom line is that Benitez's skill-set isn't cut out for the current position that he and the owners have put the team in. It's just not.

thats a fair point, but how many people would be able to meet the massive expectations at the club with the situation at the club i.e. expect to win the indy 500 in a ford mondeo? personally whoever comes in next is on a hiding to nothing quite frankly as things stand

and as for 'losing the dressing room' - a senior player who's spoken out against the owners recently (most likely reina) said it was no different to any other, some like him, some dont and others depending on if they were playing or the results. and as far as i know only 3 players adamantly didnt like him - riera (obviously), benayoun wasnt happy with him (but he's been hankering for a move every window) and carra (who has designs on being the manager soon after retiring). and anyway, even if he did lose it - why should it matter? name me one other business where the subordinates can gang together and get their bosses fired, esp in the case of many in the liverpool dressing room where most of them didnt put much effort in. players getting managers fired is yet another reason why i despise the way sports has become (but thats another rant alltogether ;))

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Me? He's the one who put Fans in quotations thus insinuating were not fans' date=' I know we are fans a newspaper doesnt make a difference, have I taken this the wrong way nells?[/quote']

Let me just stop you there Kevin, you're digging yourself into a deeper and deeper hole. I'm not an expert in the matter, but I think I remember that the Sun said some derogatory things about the Hillsborough disaster. I think Ive saved one unlucky mod the trouble of editing a shedload of posts.

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Let me just stop you there Kevin' date=' you're digging yourself into a deeper and deeper hole. I'm not an expert in the matter, but I think I remember that the Sun said some derogatory things about the Hillsborough disaster. I think Ive saved one unlucky mod the trouble of editing a shedload of posts.[/quote']

I know that, its the paper my ma gets so I usually spot the footy headlines and on the back page was the hodgson thing. But to insinuate Liverpool fans who have read the sun arent fans is mental, I don't pay to go watch Liverpool to be not classed as a fan for reading some sports headlines in the sun

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anyone with any association with the city of liverpool should not have anything to do with the paper who told the world that the fans urinated on and beat up the police and stole from dead, lies which have harmed the reputation of the club and its fans (look up how many times hillsborough footage has been used as 'hooligan footage') and of course that rag's pathetic defence of running the story to cover up the thatcher regime and south yorkshire police's ineptitude, even including the rooney incident in 2004 (their apology which turned into an attack on the mirror) despite all independent reports proving that what they said was lies (and not to mention that scumbag mackenzie who's more than happy to regurgitate what he printed on the after dinner circuit) and countless people who were there who credited the liverpool fans for their actions in saving people's lives that day

if you want to know more i'd suggest finding a torrent of the jimmy mcgovern's hillsborough documentary and going on the hjc website

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How good was it to watch Hyypia play for the rest of world team on soccer aid.

Made some good forward runs and had agreat long range effort.

Certainly brought back some fond memories and took my mind away from our current predicament for a few hours :). We could have done with him at various stages of last season too.

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