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Also do you honestly think Hodgson would allow this move to take place leave us with no LB'S if he did not have something in the pipeline?? I think not somehow especiallyas Insua qualified for the new quota system' date=' dont overreact he is a distinctly average player and the only reason he got near the Argentine set-up is because every single Argentinian in the world has got a look in under Maradona.

Just be patient Im sure a new LB probably 2 may be on the way and announced very shortly.[/quote']

Exactly. If he leaves the club, I'm sure we'll sign a new left-back or maybe even two, we just need to be patient. IIRC Hodgson said that the talks for him moving to Fiorentina were in an advanced stage and he didn't know whether Insua stays or leaves.

Taiwo would cost less than 10M£ so he'd be a very cheap signing. What worries me though is that in the WC, I saw 3 of Nigeria's games and he got injured in 2 of them.

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Shocking deal for Liverpool.

Granted he is not the best defensively but that lad's quite good going forward and has a really good cross on him. And add that they guy broke into the Argentina squad last year 5m is ridiculously low. And mind you 'Pool's other full back isn't exactly brilliant defensively. In fact hes one of the most shocking defenders you will see and you bought him for 3 times the money you are getting for Insua.

What's worse is you won't get a replacement for 5m either. The only 2 I can think of is

Taiwo - Quite a good player and you guys can thank your lucky stars Deschamps prefers a crocked up heinze instead or he would cost well in excess of 10m.

Konchesky - Perhaps the more realistic option:D

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All this talk of Taiwo is driving me doolally. Yet to see anything in him to suggest he is a quality left back. Sure he has a fine shot on him and can drive up the field, but his defensive qualities leave alot to be desired in my opinion. I must really be missing something which others are seeing :o , but I certainly wouldn't want him anywhere near our side.

Quite happy to see Insua leave. Personally, I feel the EPL was a little too fast for him and I believe he'll thrive in Serie A given the chance. He has characteristics to improve and is still young, but Liverpool in our current predicament can't afford that time. Good move for him and us I feel :)

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Taye Taiwo manager has ruled out a moved.

Some other options could be:

Fabio Contrao- probably too expensive after the world cup

Stephen Warnock- not the greatest defender but is english and currently we only have 3 homegrown players in our squad and we need 8 before the start of the new season

Carlos Salcido- had a very good world cup. i rate him highly.

Aleksandar Kolarov- too expensize

Maynor Figueroa- the most likely replacement for insua

ideally we need to sign 2 left backs.with the europa league starting so early and the fact that most of our players played in the world cup we need a big squad if we are going to compete.

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Stupid getting rid of Insua if he does go!

Yes he wasnt exacly our best player last season but he was far from the worst!

£5million would be a bargain for Fiorentina! The lad definatley has potential, hes good going forward but his defensive game needs working on (But isnt that the same with Johnson?!)

He had 5 assists last season along with Johnso the same amount and only Gerrard (7) and Aquilani(6) made more assists than them last season, isnt that telling you something?!

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Loving Liverpool's third kit this season. It should really be our second kit imo. The black and gold go well together.

Also on the topic of left backs it's worth pointing out Liverpool have two talented young left backs at the club.

Firstly one of Rafa's signings Chris Mavinga. We signed him at 18, ahead of Arsenal who were favourites to sign him. I know at the time he was considered one of the hottest talents in France and I think we payed over £1 million for him. He's been an important part of France U19's squad who are in England's group in the U19's Euros. England U19's play France on the 24th this month. I really recommend you all watch the match (should be on sky) as it'll be a great chance to see the lad in action. Also have a reading of the article below as that gives a good insight into him as a player and his attributes. Maybe he'll be the next Evra/Clichy/Cissoko???

http://www.footballfancast.com/football-blogs/star-making-liverpools-chris-mavinga

Then we've also got Jack Robinson who became the youngest ever Liverpool player to debut earlier this year. At 16 it's unlikely he'll get much game time but he could be used in the odd Carling Cup games and start to play in the reserves regularly now he's finished his GCSE's.

I know neither of these players will be good enough to start yet, but they may get a few minutes coming off the bench. If Roy considers them better long term talents than Insua, then he was right to let Insua leave the club. Insua will be wanting to start regularly and he won't get the chance to at Liverpool, so better sell him than let him rot.

With a new first team class left back joining, Agger to cover when needed and those two young talents in our squad we should have enough cover.

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Why would he not get the chance? At the moment he is our only established LB? and he was only forced into playing so many games last season because Aurelio was always injured

Not sure I'd agree he's 'established' tbh. If Liverpool can buy a better left back, then Insua won't be starting. If Insua has been offered a first team place in Italy then it's understandable he wants to leave. Why should we keep hold of a player who won't be playing regularly if we have two arguably more talented left backs in our youth squad and Agger who can do a better job at LB when required?

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Loving Liverpool's third kit this season. It should really be our second kit imo. The black and gold go well together.

Also on the topic of left backs it's worth pointing out Liverpool have two talented young left backs at the club.

Firstly one of Rafa's signings Chris Mavinga. We signed him at 18' date=' ahead of Arsenal who were favourites to sign him. I know at the time he was considered one of the hottest talents in France and I think we payed over £1 million for him. He's been an important part of France U19's squad who are in England's group in the U19's Euros. England U19's play France on the 24th this month. I really recommend you all watch the match (should be on sky) as it'll be a great chance to see the lad in action. Also have a reading of the article below as that gives a good insight into him as a player and his attributes. Maybe he'll be the next Evra/Clichy/Cissoko???

[url']http://www.footballfancast.com/football-blogs/star-making-liverpools-chris-mavinga[/url]

Then we've also got Jack Robinson who became the youngest ever Liverpool player to debut earlier this year. At 16 it's unlikely he'll get much game time but he could be used in the odd Carling Cup games and start to play in the reserves regularly now he's finished his GCSE's.

I know neither of these players will be good enough to start yet, but they may get a few minutes coming off the bench. If Roy considers them better long term talents than Insua, then he was right to let Insua leave the club. Insua will be wanting to start regularly and he won't get the chance to at Liverpool, so better sell him than let him rot.

With a new first team class left back joining, Agger to cover when needed and those two young talents in our squad we should have enough cover.

Another one for you, centre back Conor Coady, who captained the England U17's to victory in the U17 European Championships. Maybe he could be another one for you's to look out for :) .

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Not sure I'd agree he's 'established' tbh. If Liverpool can buy a better left back' date=' then Insua won't be starting. If Insua has been offered a first team place in Italy then it's understandable he wants to leave. Why should we keep hold of a player who won't be playing regularly if we have two arguably more talented left backs in our youth squad and Agger who can do a better job at LB when required?[/quote']

This ^^^

RE: TAIWO

Considering that OM have one the biggest supporters #s in NYC, it's hard not to find yourself watching a dozen of their Ligue 1 matches every year. For what it's worth, here's my take on Taiwo.

I'll preface everything by saying that I doubt he'll move to Liverpool (quite a change from the environs of Marseille), but if he does, I think that people will be very pleasantly surprised. I'd personally love to see him @ Ainfield, especially considering the NET spend that it would take to get him here. IMO, he'd be a prime example of Value Investing 101... when you consider the bargain basement price from a year ago, his ability, and the fact that he's entering the prime of his futboling years.

Taiwo was benched late last season in favor of Heinze (who moved over from CB), so it is very likely that he will be moving this summer. It's unfortunate too considering how good OM were last year and the role that he played in getting them back to the top.

Apparently Atletico who are much much MUCH worse off fiscally than Liverpool, put in a £4M bid for him, but OM balked and said that they wanted £8M. Hell...If we can sell Insua for £5M and pick up Taiwo for NET £0-2M, I'd consider that a GREAT bit of Transfer Market business.

Positives:

  • The absolute biggest hoof in all of futbol,
    bar none
    . Bigger than Riise & Kolarov. See here... I'd love to see THAT SHOT hit Terry in the face.

  • The guy is a natural leader. And IMO you can never have enough players with this attribute in the clubhouse.

  • Another v good deadball specialist ; and considering that LFC have maybe one anymore (SG), and last year arguably zero, it would be a nice new option

  • Good @ long throws

  • Great conditioning and stamina

  • A threat in the air

  • Can bomb forward, but always makes it back to defend

  • Not prone to picking up any cards or bad fouls

  • A good positional defender

  • Speed

Negatives:

  • He was once described to me by an OM & Nigerian supporter as not having the smartest futboling mind, but that he made up for it in terms of sheer athleticism

  • He's not a takeaway defender. He just doesn't have that skill-set.

  • Lacks technique

Look past the stagnant 89-rating on SM. I chalk that up to OM being so disappointing for years, and considering that deserving guys like Cheyrou only received their 90-rating after this most recent year that OM finally won the league again, I think I might have a case with this argument. I don't think it was a case of him stalling out after the early accolades in his career (2006 CAF young Player of the Year). I think it was more of a case of his team stalling out.

After all, if memory serves, he was on the Ligue 1 Team of the Year for 2 or 3 successive seasons before this most recent one (Trémoulinas). Guy is good player.

While I can't see the negatives that I listed above necessarily improving, I can see him getting a higher profile as a LB in a better league. And more importantly, it would be finally nice to think of LFC's LB spot as a source of something positive on the field rather than as a constant liability (Insua).

Anyway, I'd like to see him @ Ainfield, especially considering the bang-for-the-buck that we get out of him. IMO Taiwo would be a very astute Transfer Market signing. OM will no doubt try to maneuver for a higher price, but considering there just isn't money to go round, and that they aren't going to keep him around next year just to see him walk on a free transfer the following year, he will be moved. Again, would love to see him transfer north to LFC.

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Despite mass rumours linking Marseille's Nigerian left-back Taye Taiwo to Spain and England, L'OM coach Didier Deschamps has attempted to put an end to the interest by stating that the defender has another year on his contract.

Eurosport have announced that the coach has no intentions to let Taiwo go this summer, as he does not want to spend money on finding a replacement for the powerful defender.

Taiwo himself has seen Argentine Gabriel Heinze fill his position at left-back last season and is said to be seeking first team football with Tottenham Hotspur and Atletico Madrid showing most interest.

"He is under contract for another year," Deschamps told La Provence. "We have an interest in prolonging it so that he is not free in 2011. I need him, especially as a replacement would cost me more money. I count on him."

figeruoa it is then although i would love us to sign Carlos Salcido of PSV. hes a fantastic left back

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Johnny C, you seem to know Taiwo pretty well. I've seen about 5 full games with him playing and some videos on youtube about him so I don't know much about the guy. The only thing that worries me in him is that he got injured in 2 games at the WC so I wonder how injury prone is he?

And what comes to the reports regarding him staying until the end of his contract, you'd think they want to get some money from him (in this case 5M€+) rather than letting him go for free after next season

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Johnny C' date=' [b']you seem to know Taiwo pretty well[/b]. I've seen about 5 full games with him playing and some videos on youtube about him so I don't know much about the guy. The only thing that worries me in him is that he got injured in 2 games at the WC so I wonder how injury prone is he?

And what comes to the reports regarding him staying until the end of his contract, you'd think they want to get some money from him (in this case 5M€+) rather than letting him go for free after next season

Yeah, a little too well if you ask me.

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Ha !

Didi or Philippe are better resources...

As far as injuries go I don't remember much over the past few years. The times he is briefly injured it's obviously mostly leg related stuff. I think he had to sit out a few weeks last fall with a thigh issue. And the season before something similar. But I'm pretty sure that he hasn't had had any knee/ligament/ankle issues, broken bones, etc.. He's the type that can put in 35+ matches every year (last yr being the exception); which considering how big and strong he is you would think that he'd break down more often... but he hasn't in the past.

As far as OM goes... Wouldn't you expect them to put out to the press that they don't want him to move. Atletico just bid HALF of what OM were offering. OM are just saying they want him around to see if they can drive a higher bid.

Last Spring just after Deschamps moved him to the bench, OM offered Taiwo a halfhearted extension. Reduced salary @ 1-2years. The guy at the time was 24. Just came off 2 or 3 years where he was voted the best LB in Ligue1 (again, this is pre-Trémoulinas). There was no way he was going to take that offer just to be cover for Heinze. OM weren't genuine in the offer. It was their way of saying to him and to the rest of the world that he's not in our plans and he's for sale.

Didi, on the French thread, believes that the '10/'11 starting backline for OM is going to be Bonnart-Diawara-M'Bia-Heinze. With no room for Taiwo. (Note: that was before Azpilcueta's transfer to OM to replace Bonnart)

Ironically OM could have sold Taiwo last summer for £12M. The problem for them was that they didn't have their CB situation sorted out so Heinze played CB. Once M'Bia progressed they slotted him into the CB role and pushed Heinze over, which pushed Taiwo to the pine.

This isn't like the Chamakh-situation last summer. Chamakh was the starting CF and focal point for that good Bordeaux team. Even though Chamakh walked for free at the end of the season, he was an instrumental contributor on the pitch all of last season. So by holding onto Chamakh's contract last season, Bordeaux got a lot out of him, despite having to watch him walk for free this season.

If OM are going to see any benefit from having Taiwo under contract, they will have to sell him this summer. Given the line-up that Didi believes will be the case, Taiwo is likely not going to be a full-time contributor on the pitch for OM.

The question to ask is ... How do OM benefit from continuing to hold what I assume is a decently paid contract of a player that they have slotted as a back-up, who has some sick ability, and who they know is 100% going to walk at the end of the season ?

Bottom line... IMO, the answer is that they HAVE TO sell him this Summer Transfer Market.

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