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The Good Deal Guide

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Everyone should know about the useful and helpful 'Help with Deals Thread' which is stickied in Player Assistance. This is designed to be a guide so you can tell for yourself whether you are getting a good, fair or bad deal. If you're still unsure then of course post in the aforementioned thread :)

I'm not sure how to organise this with regards to buying, selling and all the aspects that fit in with making a deal so I'll highlight all the points to look for in a deal and leave it to you to work out how it applies to your situation.

Cash

Cash is involved in the majority of deals on SM. It could be the entirety of the payment or a sweetener in a P/E offer. How useful is cash in your set-up? Establish whether there is any point in getting cash. It's good to have if there are a lot of good players at external or unmanaged sides (particularly in very new or very old set-ups) or if managers are willing to let players go in straight cash deals. Also assess your current budget. There's no point selling a player for 40m if you've already got 100m in the kitty.

Player Rating

This applies to both P/E and cash deals. Check the rating predictions and future prospects of all players involved in the deal. In most cases you won't have to ask, just use the search tool on the relevant ratings prediction thread. To spell it out, obviously risers are preferred to stayers who are preferred to droppers. Check out the average rating of your first team with and without the deal in the present, 1 year down the line and 2 years down the line. If it's better with the deal then do it, worse then don't.

Player Age

I think on the whole people place too much stock in the age of a player. Of course it's nice to get the best young talent however think about how long you will be playing the game for. Sticking with a team for the long run generally means around 2 years so that 16 year old wonder-kid will be 18 and probably still looking for a big move to either fulfil his potential or crash and burn. Often a safe mid-20s player already at a big club is a safer option.

Player Position

This is a key part of any deal. The first thing to think about is if you really need the player you're trying to buy and can you afford to give up what the other manager wants. Will he push strong first team players onto the bench or will he himself just be a bench warmer? In a straight cash deal for your player do you have a quality replacement for that player or can you buy one with the generated funds? Player position applies more in P/E deals though. If you are giving 2 players do you have the strength in depth to cover those you are losing effectively or would you need to have a potentially dangerous formation change? If you are getting 2 players do you need them? If they're just going to languish in your reserves then you may as well keep that first team player you're giving away.

Player Standing

Something to consider, mainly when offering players in deals, is where they stand in your squad. Is it possible to get rid of a high rated player or 2 that you hardly use? Also look at the player/s you're bringing in and look at their potential standing in your squad. This section is similar to Player Position above but doesn't take possible formations into account.

Depth

This mainly applies to Gold Championships where there are many more games in a season. Often the above advice for player ratings doesn't apply and you will have to take 2 lower rated players for a high one. Try and make sure the players you are receiving are at least safe at their current ratings and if possible fob off the higher rated droppers in your side.

Rivalries

Not as important as the other criteria but still worth a mention. Do you really want to sell your major rivals your best player? If the team making the offer is close to you in the table it might also be worth checking how the deal alters their first team average. If it's increasing theirs by more than the deal is increasing yours then they could be gaining an advantage in the crucial title or relegation battle. Also check out Player Position. If your rival is craving an improvement in a specific area don't be the one to give him one unless you''re getting a very good deal in exchange.

The Difference between Managed and Unmanaged/External

A nice little bit of advice from Blenkers here hopefully only relevant to the newer members of SM. Whereas unmanaged and external sides will accept the minimum value given for their players (except some players from external SMFA sides), managed sides are very unlikely to accept bottom dollar for their players (especially the higher rated ones). In order to prise the big guns away you need to make an offer which could tempt the other manager into selling.

How to Deal with Managed Sides

Highlighted above is the difference between managed and unmanaged/external and obviously the former is a lot harder to deal with. The best bet is to first test the water with a low opening bid (using the criteria above). Best case you get a cheap player and worst you get told it's insulting, which it probably is. To offer a fair amount think about what you would accept if the deal were in reverse. If the other manager needs depth then offer him depth, good starting players then a high rated 2 for 1 deal. Read and get advice on the 'Help with Deals Thread' a lot so you can get a good judge on acceptable deals.

Who to go for

Little bit of advice on players to aim for if you have a lot of unnecessary cash to shift. Best bet is external or unmanaged as they always accept minimum value for their players (maybe slightly more for the top players of SMFA sides). If there aren't many at external/unmanaged then a useful tip is to buy from clubs with a lot of players in a particular position. Say, for example, a team has three 90+ DMs and only play with one DM then they may be open to selling an unused player for cash.

2 for 1 Ratings Advice

In the main body I advised you check out your sides average rating at different time points. I realise this may be difficult to do quickly and a bit of a hassle so I thought I'd give a quick generic guide. Usually, assuming all players are safe (neither rising, dropping and of similar age and talent) then a deal of 2 players of a rating 2 or 3 lower than the player you're giving is fair (for standard game-worlds), for example 92 + 93 = 95. For every riser or dropper in the deal make sure there is an equivalent riser/dropper on the other side of the deal or increase/decrease the rating of player offered accordingly.

That's all for now. If anyone can think of any other factors involved please let me know and I'll analyse and add them to the thread.

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This should be useful to alot of people.
Great thread. In my opinion' date=' StuartH is the best forumer on here.

And, he's from Sheffield (I live in Worksop :P)

Always can rely on you. :)[/quote']

Thanks for the support guys although I have to admit I'm not from Sheffield (I just live here) and I'm a long way from being the best forumer on here :P Anybody know about how you go about getting a thread stickied? I think this could help a lot of people :)

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very useful thread stuart keep up the good work

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What about a brief guide at the bottom for new players waning to buy managed clubs top stars i.e. I've had Chairmans value offers for David Villa, Rooney, Ronaldo, Xavi etc etc. I have PM'd a couple of those Managers explaining that if I sell them "X" player for that base amount, who could I replace them with, so maybe I would need a higher offer, or a player I need to P/X with. You know, trying to explain that its not like buying from an unmanaged or external club.

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What about a brief guide at the bottom for new players waning to buy managed clubs top stars i.e. I've had Chairmans value offers for David Villa' date=' Rooney, Ronaldo, Xavi etc etc. I have PM'd a couple of those Managers explaining that if I sell them "X" player for that base amount, who could I replace them with, so maybe I would need a higher offer, or a player I need to P/X with. You know, trying to explain that its not like buying from an unmanaged or external club.[/quote']

Your wish is my command ;) Not sure whether to add it as a sub-section or an aside; I'll have a think about presentation but should be easy enough to put together :)

On another note I commend you for not using the 'I am insulted by this offer' option and for taking the time to give that advice to new members.

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very good guide. Agree with you especially on the player age part. When making deals, i always go for risers rather than young talent. Also many people advised me to sell javier zanetti 3 years ago because of his age and said he would struggle to keep his rating as he gets older. But look at him, he is 36, just won the treble and i dont see him slowing down any time soon. In fact, i even think he deserves a 95:)

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Perhaps there should be something about searching the forum for known risers/droppers, and if they are going to drop, but they'll still be good enough for you, if possible wait until they drop before buying them.

And something about improving the entire squad, rather than bringing in 1 or 2 big players.

Perhps.

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i think it would be good to add that a new manager should have a clear idea as to the how he/she wants to develop his/her team.

ie: is the new manager aiming to improve his team immediately or would he/she want to gamble on youth and take the long run route or somewhere in the middle?

Having a good idea of what kind of team you are going to build would be extremely helpful in getting the right players.

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very good guide. Agree with you especially on the player age part. When making deals' date=' i always go for risers rather than young talent. Also many people advised me to sell javier zanetti 3 years ago because of his age and said he would struggle to keep his rating as he gets older. But look at him, he is 36, just won the treble and i dont see him slowing down any time soon. In fact, i even think he deserves a 95:)[/quote']

Just dont wait another 3 years :), he will propably be retired by then, imo hes one of those players id keep til he retires, cuz i doubt he will drop til he retires.

Thread is very good,

Very simple, easy to read and understand.

Very useful tips for Newbies, and some good remindings for some veterans (which try buy only youngish players).

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Just dont wait another 3 years :)' date=' he will propably be retired by then, imo hes one of those players id keep til he retires, cuz i doubt he will drop til he retires.

Thread is very good,

Very simple, easy to read and understand.

Very useful tips for Newbies, and some good remindings for some veterans (which try buy only youngish players).[/quote']

Agreed and even if we sell Zanetti it is unlikely you would get more than 12mil for him. It is simply not worth selling a 94 rated player who can play anywhere in defence and in Dm position as well at that price. :)

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