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Surely City only have themselves to blame for that? The minute they starting shelling out ludicrous fees like 24 million for Joleon lescott (Who isn't even first choice now) basically enabled every club to hold them to ransom. If they were more sensible initially and told clubs to essentially "F*** off" instead of being played for mugs. They go and pick up Nastasic for about 1/3rd(?) of Lescott's price, who is actually a much better player.

I have no doubts City's signing will have their share of success, Fernandinho is defiitely the right caliber of player to operate in a midfield pivot. Navas actually offers them the width they've been screaming out for, instead of having to play a flop like Nasri out wide and Negredo is undoubtedly a good finisher. The issue I have with City is that they think they HAVE to spend 20+ million for a signing to be considered good.

I will also factor in they spend too much money on attacking players. Surely they should invest more in their defence too? What happens if Joe Hart gets injured? They are too stacked offensively.

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Srna is a top RB and will fit in most top European clubs but he stays with Shakhtar. Team like Shakhtar have no pressure to sell their best players to be honest so it doesn't mean 'good' player who stay there for a long time considered won't be good enough for higher level

I'm not sleighting Shaktar by any means, they are a solid European team and I've always been a fan of Srna.

The justification of the fees Shaktar demand is hard to acknowledge though.

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Why on earth would we pay north of £20m for Benteke? He's had 1 season in the premiership playing for a poor side. If he repeats it this season then fair enough he is well worth it but £20m+ is not good value currently. We should see movement upfront soon anyway and someone who is better than Benteke IMO.

Something tells me you would have spoken very differently had he come to you.

He would have been "that option you have been lacking all along" and I am sure Top 4 would have only been a formality ;)

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Surely City only have themselves to blame for that? The minute they starting shelling out ludicrous fees like 24 million for Joleon lescott (Who isn't even first choice now) basically enabled every club to hold them to ransom. If they were more sensible initially and told clubs to essentially "F*** off" instead of being played for mugs. They go and pick up Nastasic for about 1/3rd(?) of Lescott's price' date=' who is actually a much better player.

I have no doubts City's signing will have their share of success, Fernandinho is defiitely the right caliber of player to operate in a midfield pivot. Navas actually offers them the width they've been screaming out for, instead of having to play a flop like Nasri out wide and Negredo is undoubtedly a good finisher. The issue I have with City is that they think they HAVE to spend 20+ million for a signing to be considered good.

I will also factor in they spend too much money on attacking players. Surely they should invest more in their defence too? What happens if Joe Hart gets injured? They are too stacked offensively.[/quote']

We have Mark Hughes to blame for that. He largely limited himself to buying players with Premier League pedigree which meant that players we were looking at had huge mark ups. Lescott is an example of that era along with Santa Cruz, Adebayor and co. Nastasic is an example of Mancini's better transfer record as he wasn't afraid to look abroad. Regardless, at the time we were ridiculed for spending £10m on a 19 year old CB.

We only spent £15m on Navas ;):P Inflation in football means that pretty much every decent player commands those fees though. Those without significant elements of risk anyway.

Apparently we've been looking at a CB but are trying Garcia out there over preseason. Would like to buy someone like Zouma though who might be happier being backup and learning from Kompany for a few seasons. And Pantilimon's better than pretty much all other second choice PL keepers.

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Two key stats for Chadli;

Twente record with him in the side - 65% win' date=' Out the side - 25% win

36 games (including 4 as sub) - 18 goals

Goals from the wings and yet another option there is crucial for us. People seem to forget that when he is fit, he is one of the first names on the Belgium team sheet.

[b']The fact you lot are saying he is average and will be a squad player is even more confidence in my belief that he will do well for us[/b]. He is a lot more productive than Lennon, more in AVB's style of player and also plays on the correct side, unlike Lennon.

Chat about strikers is quite funny also. Why on earth would we pay north of £20m for Benteke? He's had 1 season in the premiership playing for a poor side. If he repeats it this season then fair enough he is well worth it but £20m+ is not good value currently. We should see movement upfront soon anyway and someone who is better than Benteke IMO.

In the same way as one of your ITK'S tell you something is definetley going to happen we know to discard it almost immediately ;):P

In all seriousness there is a world of difference between the Eredivisie and the PL doing it there is not an indication of doing it in the PL. We had a similar situation last year with Sigurdsson when a lot of you were saying he would be a vital piece of the jigsaw etc etc....much in the same way as with him at the time I don't see Chadli being a "bona-fide" starter.

You really must stop this "value for money" crusade as well value for money is relative to what the player will give you and his job.

For example if your chairman had an ounce of intelligence in Jan he would have bought a striker and if you had to overpay by 5-7M for Damiao or whoever that would have been easily offset by the amount you would have made for qualifying for the Champions League and would have probably made you 30M extra and your failure as a club to address that is ultimately IMO what cost you that 4th spot.

Just like now you are allegedly scrimping over Soldado for the sake of 4-5M, my God with all the extra TV revenue it pays for itself and an extra financial push to take you and give you the one thing you desperately need should not be something that is "thought about" but just done.

Not being funny but I highly doubt you can get anybody better than Soldado who is a very tidy player, just get it done.

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Just like now you are allegedly scrimping over Soldado for the sake of 4-5M' date=' my God with all the extra TV revenue it pays for itself and an extra financial push to take you and give you the one thing you desperately need should not be something that is "thought about" but just done.

Not being funny but I highly doubt you can get anybody better than Soldado who is a very tidy player, just get it done.[/quote']

We're being linked with potentially hijacking their move for him. It'd be nice a nice change. :P

Cant see it happening though unless Suarez leaves.

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Good discussion point

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Which record would be the hardest to break?

1. Arsenal Won the league without losing a match.

2. Man United won a treble

3. Chelsea won the league with highest points total ever(95)

4. Liverpool won 5 Champions League trophies.

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Can anyone explain to this bafoon what an ITK :P?

Also RMC is reporting Gomis fee agreed for Newcastle same people who reported the sissoko and mym deal

Pappis replacement then. Seen the so called photos of him in the casino mug...

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I think not losing a game today is extremely difficult almost near impossible, however with the quality of teams improving all round, how likely is it that one team would once again win a treble or even go one better and do a clean sweep?

That team wouldn't be Arsenal though that's for sure :P

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Something tells me you would have spoken very differently had he come to you.

He would have been "that option you have been lacking all along" and I am sure Top 4 would have only been a formality ;)

If you read what I said at the time, I said I wasn't sure about Benteke.

Don't let that get in the way of your nonsense though.

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Good discussion point

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Which record would be the hardest to break?

1. Arsenal Won the league without losing a match.

2. Man United won a treble

3. Chelsea won the league with highest points total ever(95)

4. Liverpool won 5 Champions League trophies.

Arsenal going unbeaten. With more teams getting rich of oil baron and princesses, it makes it nigh on impossible.

United won a treble that was a complete fluke; Arsenal bottled it that year and should have had a double. Bayern choked in the final. United should have won nothing. Besides, Liverpool won a treble in 2001, although with another significant helping HAND from Arsenal (and Stephan Henchoz).

Teams like Chelsea shouldn't be included as they're the football equivalent of drug cheats in athletics.

Liverpool's 5 CL is a very good achievement but it is breakable.

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In the same way as one of your ITK'S tell you something is definetley going to happen we know to discard it almost immediately ;):P

In all seriousness there is a world of difference between the Eredivisie and the PL doing it there is not an indication of doing it in the PL. We had a similar situation last year with Sigurdsson when a lot of you were saying he would be a vital piece of the jigsaw etc etc....much in the same way as with him at the time I don't see Chadli being a "bona-fide" starter.

You really must stop this "value for money" crusade as well value for money is relative to what the player will give you and his job.

For example if your chairman had an ounce of intelligence in Jan he would have bought a striker and if you had to overpay by 5-7M for Damiao or whoever that would have been easily offset by the amount you would have made for qualifying for the Champions League and would have probably made you 30M extra and your failure as a club to address that is ultimately IMO what cost you that 4th spot.

Just like now you are allegedly scrimping over Soldado for the sake of 4-5M' date=' my God with all the extra TV revenue it pays for itself and an extra financial push to take you and give you the one thing you desperately need should not be something that is "thought about" but just done.

Not being funny but I highly doubt you can get anybody better than Soldado who is a very tidy player, just get it done.[/b']

Baldini is there with his agent and the Valencia chairman right now so we are trying...

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Arsenal going unbeaten. With more teams getting rich of oil baron and princesses' date=' it makes it nigh on impossible.

United won a treble that was a complete fluke; Arsenal bottled it that year and should have had a double. Bayern choked in the final. United should have won nothing. Besides, Liverpool won a treble in 2001, although with another significant helping HAND from Arsenal (and Stephan Henchoz).

Teams like Chelsea shouldn't be included as they're the football equivalent of drug cheats in athletics.

Liverpool's 5 CL is a very good achievement but it is breakable.[/quote']

Agree with all of this. Harsh on United however.

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Arsenal going unbeaten. With more teams getting rich of oil baron and princesses' date=' it makes it nigh on impossible.

United won a treble that was a complete fluke; Arsenal bottled it that year and should have had a double. Bayern choked in the final. United should have won nothing. Besides, Liverpool won a treble in 2001, although with another significant helping HAND from Arsenal (and Stephan Henchoz).

Teams like Chelsea shouldn't be included as they're the football equivalent of drug cheats in athletics.

Liverpool's 5 CL is a very good achievement but it is breakable.[/quote']

And United won the treble because it was an awful weather outside,because God created Jesus,because it was too late,because Arsenal was the best,because Einstein invented the internet and so on....God.

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And United won the treble because it was an awful weather outside' date='because God created Jesus,because it was too late,because Arsenal was the best,because Einstein invented the internet and so on....God.[/quote']

You should go and have a conversation with that Hulk bloke.

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United won a treble that was a complete fluke; Arsenal bottled it that year and should have had a double. Bayern choked in the final. United should have won nothing. Besides' date=' Liverpool won a treble in 2001, although with another significant helping HAND from Arsenal (and Stephan Henchoz).

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Suppose it just highlights the fact, that you need a bit of luck to win the treble as it's not a given. A combination and luck and skill is what made United win it.

Likewise Arsenal could have lost some of the games they had drawn throughout the season. For E.G. R.V.N smashing his peno against the crossbar, which would have given United the lead and the win :)

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Suppose it just highlights the fact' date=' that you need a bit of luck to win the treble as it's not a given. A combination and luck and skill is what made United win it.

Likewise Arsenal could have lost some of the games they had drawn throughout the season. For E.G. R.V.N smashing his peno against the crossbar, which would have given United the lead and the win :)[/quote']

Lets not forget Pires' disgraceful dive v Pompey

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Cardiff City are debt free :D:D:D

A massive day for all cardiff fans , been waiting years for this day , hours from liquidation at one point , now here we are , now to focus on signings and the PL:D

http://mobile.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/article/cardiff-city-reach-langston-resolution-936997.aspx?pd=635101218000000000

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