Jump to content

Official Premier League Discussion Thread


bcfc12345
 Share

Recommended Posts

Re: Premier League Discussion Thread

Good discussion point

-------------------------

Which record would be the hardest to break?

1. Arsenal Won the league without losing a match.

2. Man United won a treble

3. Chelsea won the league with highest points total ever(95)

4. Liverpool won 5 Champions League trophies.

Good question, I'd probably group them in doubles:

-Arsenal unbeaten & Chelsea 95 points

-Utd treble & Liverpool's 5 CL's.

I'd probably go:

1. Arsenal

2. Liverpool

3. Chelsea

4. Man Utd

1- Unbeaten in a season is near on impossible nowadays with the quality of teams.

2- Does take a rather special club to win a CL, x5 (in a row or after rebuilding and rebuilding etc) is a hell of a thing.

3- Over 95 points again with the quality of teams nowadays would be an unbelievable achievement.

4- Just feel while it was special, it could be done again.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Premier League Discussion Thread

Good discussion point

-------------------------

Which record would be the hardest to break?

1. Arsenal Won the league without losing a match.

2. Man United won a treble

3. Chelsea won the league with highest points total ever(95)

4. Liverpool won 5 Champions League trophies.

In descending order .....

1. 95+ points - The number of wins needed make this a heady target in such a competitive league

2. Treble - Winning the treble of Premier, Champions League and FA Cup will be increasingly difficult given the improving competition at the top end

3. 5 champions league/European Cup trophies .... this will happen for others in time but Liverpool averaging a win every decade since inception is impressive versus the norm.

4. Unbeaten Premierleague Season - whilst on the face it of it impressive is a largely pointless accolade. Arsenals 'invincibles' lost against United, Middlesbrough and Chelsea in games that mattered and I'm sure they members of that side would have prefered to lose a game in the premierleague if it meant progress elsewhere. So, difficult but pointless.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Premier League Discussion Thread

1) Treble - as lucky as United were on occasion, to compete at that standard across so many competitions requires an awesome squad and awesome management.

2) Points total - very similar to the invincible season but much more attractive football throughout the season.

3) 5 CLs - requires longevity with excellent squads across several decades.

4) Invincible season - Outstanding achievement but one that relied on defence rather than attack which isn't nearly as entertaining.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Premier League Discussion Thread

I find this mind-boggling. Did you see who we had in attack?

It was a great team, but once the invincible season looked like a real possibility you put much more effort into not conceding than outscoring. Weird way of looking at it but Chelsea didn't have that chip so they could carry on destroying teams later in the season.

All great achievements, don't get me wrong.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Premier League Discussion Thread

Winning the treble is far more impressive to me than going a whole League season unbeaten. Wheather you win the League unbeaten or by losing 3-4 games it is still the same prize at the end of it.

Going a whole League season unbeaten is a unique feat but at the end of the day you lift one trophy, to win three trophies competing on all fronts against such quality opposition both home and abroad playing near enough every three days week in week out is a phenomenal achievement.

So it is time to give them there due........

The Liverpool sides of 1984 and 2001 were amazing ;):)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Premier League Discussion Thread

I'd say Chelsea getting 95 points is better than arsenal going unbeaten to be honest. Clearly arsenal drew a lot more games and Chelsea won more so I'd say getting more points is more impressive.

I'd honestly say Liverpool winning 5 champions leagues is the most impressive as you have to have longevity over years so luck is less of a factor. All amazing achievements though to be fair

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Premier League Discussion Thread

Best achievement in my opinion is probably United's treble as much as I hate to say it, to get it right across multiple competitions is a very difficult feat, whether it involved luck or not takes serious quality in squad depth and management.

Liverpools achievement is great shows the longevity, may be difficult to surpass with the quality that is ahead of the English clubs right now but sooner or later it will be.

Arsenals unbeaten season is a massive achievement whether they drew matches or not to stay unbeaten even on the road for a whole season is massive consistency, no doubt that Invincible side may be the best team that has been in the Premier League era, don't think it will ever be repeated (in my life time at least) the quality of the Premier League has improved massively and it's just too competitive to repeat.

Chelseas points total is impressive to show the desire to win games even when the title was long won shows massive professionalism, I think however it's not the best achievement on that list, take nothing away from it, think it will be surpassed. I also rate Arsenal's unbeaten run ahead of this.

Think United's title haul has been overlooked here, only team that is even close enough to challenge that amount of titles are nowhere near being a force to do that. It'll take years to surpass again can't see it happening in my lifetime.

To rank;

1. Treble

2. Unbeaten Season

3. 5 Champions League

4. United's Title Haul

5. Chelseas Point Total

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Premier League Discussion Thread

I think some people perhaps misunderstood the question. It's about the record that is hardest to break, not the most impressive.

Of course everybody would rather win the treble than go unbeaten.

But I think the treble is easier to achieve as it allows for bad games. Also quite a few teams have won the treble in the past such as us this year, Inter in 2010 and I believe Barca a bit before that. So it's been done rather frequently.

But how many teams have gone a season unbeaten. Nobody in England since Arsenal, nobody in Spain in at least the 10 years (didn't scroll further back), none in Germany as far as I can remember and once in Italy in the last decade or more with Juventus last year. And that was in a declining Italian league in its worse state since ever.

Lots have been close such as us this year, Barca a few years back and Inter in the mid2000s with one loss but that's the thing, close isn't good enough. You can't have an either bad or unlucky game and odds are you have that in a 34-38 games season.

Then you also have to consider that none of the teams that may have the chance of doing so are actively trying to. They usually play in several competitions and rotation/rest usually happens in the league as it hurts you less to lose a league game in February than lose your CL decider game in February (most of the time) so you also need a very strong bench that can go unbeaten for a few games.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Premier League Discussion Thread

So hard between Chelsea & Arsenal.

1. Arsenal, because the pack has got closer and won't be beaten for a while

2. Chelsea, 95 points, is something like 32 wins, 2 draws, 5 losses. Hard to eclipse, but they did lose, Arsenal higher as thet could of gone on to win, but played for draws

3. The Treble, it really depends how teams attack the cups. If you play your first team in the League Cup, your basically knocking on Q-Finals. Against lower sides need a bit of mentality that says going to give a good game regardless, not walk on the pitch knowing your going to win it. You need a little rub of the green, in terms of who you get drawn with. The top three achievements really hard, but for the treble you would rest first team on the weekend for big games midweek.

4. 5 CL's is more of a historical thing that can be done in seperate seasons, the others need to be done in one season. E.g. Spain will in future take over as the best European nation to win most World Cups one day.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Premier League Discussion Thread

Arsenal had more than there fair share of luck in their run' date=' outstanding achievement though. Anyone remember Pires horrible horrible dive against Pompey to equalise in a game they drew?[/quote']

Yep, I was young so my hatrid for Arsenal was far from it's peak. That day certainly helped. Made worse by Wenger's classic "I did not see it"

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Premier League Discussion Thread

Reading through that debate was quite interesting what was clear to notice was that nearly every Arsenal fan valued going unbeaten more than winning a whole stack of trophies (go figure ;)) where as most others IMO rightly suggested the treble was the best achievement.

Whilst it hurts United's treble was for me the best of the lot after clearly Liverpool's trophy trebles in 84 and 2001 obviously as already stated ;)

Think it says a lot for the mentality

Can you imagine if Arsenal went the whole season unbeaten and finished 4th that would be there Utopia me thinks :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Premier League Discussion Thread

Reading through that debate was quite interesting what was clear to notice was that nearly every Arsenal fan valued going unbeaten more than winning a whole stack of trophies (go figure ;)) where as most others IMO rightly suggested the treble was the best achievement.

Whilst it hurts United's treble was for me the best of the lot after clearly Liverpool's trophy trebles in 84 and 2001 obviously as already stated ;)

Think it says a lot for the mentality

Can you imagine if Arsenal went the whole season unbeaten and finished 4th that would be there Utopia me thinks :)

You should go back and read what the initial question was as it clearly wasn't "what is the best/most impressive achievement?"...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Premier League Discussion Thread

You should go back and read what the initial question was as it clearly wasn't "what is the best/most impressive achievement?"...

Does it matter.....the debate has moved forward

That's the way the conversation went so I am going with it. :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Premier League Discussion Thread

;2665157']1. Arsenal' date=' because the pack has got closer and won't be beaten for a while[/quote']

This pretty much sums it up, at least as far as England is concerned. We saw Juventus go unbeaten in a sub-par Serie A, and either Barca, Real or Bayern are good enough to do it in their respective leagues, with some luck of course. England just has too many strong teams, as well as pesky teams (Wigan after week 30) who'll cause upsets. The parity in England is quite impressive, and the PL has managed to maintain its high quality despite the evening playing field.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Premier League Discussion Thread

That could be anyone. It's hard to judge whether that person is Cisse or not.
A spokesperson for Aspers Casino described Cisse as "an occasional visitor" who was "very well behaved and very welcome"' date=' but would not confirm whether or not he placed any bets[/quote']

____________

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Premier League Discussion Thread

That could be anyone. It's hard to judge whether that person is Cisse or not.

I think what Alex is trying to say is that its a bit of a coincidence that his friend told him that he had played in a casino with Cisse, which people on here didn't believe, then a week later it came out in the press. You just have to put two and two together.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Premier League Discussion Thread

Spurs should just cough up the buy out clause for Soldado, he's what they need and the few extra million will look like nothing if they made the Champions League. Are they really going to risk going into the new season with Adebayor and Defoe just for the sake of a couple of million pounds, with the insane TV Deals it's not like they can't afford it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Premier League Discussion Thread

____________

I was referring to the picture. Like I said that could be anyone.

I think what Alex is trying to say is that its a bit of a coincidence that his friend told him that he had played in a casino with Cisse' date=' which people on here didn't believe, then a week later it came out in the press. You just have to put two and two together.[/quote']

Yes I know what he was trying to say. :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Re: Premier League Discussion Thread

Spurs should just cough up the buy out clause for Soldado' date=' he's what they need and the few extra million will look like nothing if they made the Champions League. Are they really going to risk going into the new season with Adebayor and Defoe just for the sake of a couple of million pounds, with the insane TV Deals it's not like they can't afford it.[/quote']

With the money they are talking about they could have just brought Benteke outright and avoided this ridiculous situation.

I think Soldado is the better player but Benteke would have suited more.

If they don't get Soldado apparently they'll turn their attentions back to Lisandro Lopez.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...