Magic J 10,640 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Name 10 world class players and i can guarantee none of them were playing championship football at the age of 19. I can also guarantee that each of them were held in much higher ragard than Borini. I like Borini but he will not be world class. Lets be realistic. Anything could happen. I suppose i could become a professional footballer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A2R 2,769 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Name 10 world class players and i can guarantee none of them were playing championship football at the age of 19.I can also guarantee that each of them were held in much higher ragard than Borini. I like Borini but he will not be world class. Lets be realistic. Anything could happen. I suppose i could become a professional footballer It was a loan spell for god sake, from the top of my head, im sure Beckham had a spell at Preston, Silva was sent out to a lower league side. Don't think many people expected Drogba to be world class when he was 19. Look, i'm not saying Borini will be world class, but i dont think its fair to write him off either. And yeah if you're good enough, dont see why you cant become a professional footballer EDIT Julio Cruz was a gardener for his local side before he became pro, and during his Inter days, you can argue he was World Class. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magic J 10,640 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion It was a loan spell for god sake' date=' from the top of my head, im sure Beckham had a spell at Preston, Silva was sent out to a lower league side. Don't think many people expected Drogba to be world class when he was 19.Look, i'm not saying Borini will be world class, but i dont think its fair to write him off either. And yeah if you're good enough, dont see why you cant become a professional footballer [/quote'] Drogba is a rare exception. Discussing if they went out on loan was incorrect of me. I accept that. However, the point stands that they were held in higher regard than him. He could become world class, but so could hundreds of other players then. I think he will be a good player, world class... no. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A2R 2,769 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Drogba is a rare exception. Discussing if they went out on loan was incorrect of me. I accept that. However' date=' the point stands that they were held in higher regard than him. He could become world class, but so could hundreds of other players then. I think he will be a good player, world class... no.[/quote'] Cruz was a gardener, Grafite(okay he's not world class, but still a decent striker) was selling bin liners in his early twenties, nobody really expected Hulk to make the progress he has done, you say Drogba is a rare exception, why cant Borini be another? Your talking as if Borini is a nobody, don't think many untalented players are signed by chelski, he's represented italy at all youth levels aswell. Then theres also them players who are talked up so much at a young age, but never manage to make it to the big time, Saviola for example. Theres so much obstacles in a players way to the top, it takes dedication and commitment, and some players, despite having the talent, aren't willing to put the work in. Im not saying Borini will certainly make it to the top, but he certainly has a chance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart H 19,818 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Cruz was a gardener' date=' Grafite(okay he's not world class, but still a decent striker) was selling bin liners in his early twenties, nobody really expected Hulk to make the progress he has done, you say Drogba is a rare exception, why cant Borini be another?Your talking as if Borini is a nobody, don't think many untalented players are signed by chelski, he's represented italy at all youth levels aswell. Then theres also them players who are talked up so much at a young age, but never manage to make it to the big time, Saviola for example. Theres so much obstacles in a players way to the top, it takes dedication and commitment, and some players, despite having the talent, aren't willing to put the work in. Im not saying Borini will certainly make it to the top, but he certainly has a chance.[/quote'] I wouldn't class any of those as world class. You do get late bloomers like Drogba but Aidan implied that Borini would be world class because he was proving himself in the Championship at 19, which I disagreed with. I'm a big cynic though but it's often for the best. Macheda makes his United debut whilst very young and scores a couple and everyone claims he's the next big thing. Then he goes out on loan to Sampdoria and is useless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Newman 12,138 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Beckham did indeed have a spell at Preston, Legend Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frozy 16,357 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Beckham did indeed have a spell at Preston' date=' Legend [/quote']Get back to league 1 thread Newman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonaldinho 2,530 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Get back to league 1 thread Newman Yeh, you're a good two divisions away Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Newman 12,138 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Get back to league 1 thread Newman Yeh' date=' you're a good two divisions away [/quote']Haha, I know, I know, just making a point that one of the greatest England captains ever (No one was better than Bobby Moore though obviously) played for one of the greatest clubs ever I joke, I joke Compare that Jon, you had one of the best Nigerian players Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonaldinho 2,530 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Haha' date=' I know, I know, just making a point that one of the greatest England captains ever (No one was better than Bobby Moore though obviously) played for one of the greatest clubs ever I joke, I joke Compare that Jon, you had one of the best Nigerian players [/quote'] Well we had players like Gary Lineker (ex-Barcelona!), Peter Shilton and Gordon Banks play for us, so there! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frozy 16,357 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Well we had players like Gary Lineker (ex-Barcelona!)' date=' [b']Peter Shilton[/b] and Gordon Banks play for us, so there! Also played at the mighty Orient ok ok just finished his career there Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Newman 12,138 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Did you have Welsh international Paul Parry though, yeah.....sit down! :p This is getting a bit off topic for the premiership but hell, I started it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swanseajack 11,418 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Only 3/4 times (when Swansea have been on the BBC and the play-offs). However' date=' can performing at that level really give any indication as to whether he'll be world class (using my definition of world class)?[/quote']It can if he's in the Italy U21 side, AHEAD of Mario Balotteli and co. He's going to be big. I've seen him 8 or 9 times in a Swansea shirt, each one proved so much to me. Name 10 world class players and i can guarantee none of them were playing championship football at the age of 19.I can also guarantee that each of them were held in much higher ragard than Borini. I like Borini but he will not be world class. Lets be realistic. Anything could happen. I suppose i could become a professional footballer Beckham at North End' date=' we've had Frank Lampard down in League 2. [YOUTUBE']8i37Fa2yOBs[/YOUTUBE] This sort of ability shows me he can be world class, no-one in the Championship can do that, very few in the Premiership can do that - whoever your up against that's going in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magic J 10,640 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Jack try reading the rest of the posts before quoting me. If your insinuation Borini is in the same class as Beckham then we can end the discussion here. He aint gonna be world class. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magic J 10,640 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Just saw the bottom of your post ! Ahhh so because he may be exceptional at free kicks he must be the next big thing. EDIT: So far you have justified your opinion of him being world class by saying he owned Forest and scored a great free kick ...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LiamSmith 2,088 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion It can if he's in the Italy U21 side' date=' AHEAD of Mario Balotteli and co. He's going to be big. I've seen him 8 or 9 times in a Swansea shirt, each one proved so much to me.[/quote']That bit about Mario Balotelli is nonsense. He isn't always included but Borini plays in the U21's ahead of Mario Balotelli because Balotelli plays for the senior national team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swanseajack 11,418 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Jack try reading the rest of the posts before quoting me.If your insinuation Borini is in the same class as Beckham then we can end the discussion here. He aint gonna be world class. Adam, what are you talking about. I'm telling you Borini has been as good as Beckham at THIS AGE. He's not going to be going for £25 million or playing for Real Madrid or Man. United or anything. I've had enough of this, i'm not telling you he's World Class. I'm telling you he will be in the future - jesus christ, it's not exactly unheard of that someone who helps earn promotion for a Championship team whilst out on loan from a major club can go on to do big things. You won't be seeing me for a while EDIT: Oh my god, what are you on about. I haven't said any of the things you've claimed i've said - did i say no-one can score a free-kick, did i say scoring a free-kick makes him a good player, did i say he's a world class player at the moment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mousey1 2,165 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion many players can score goals from free kicks in the championship Aidan, to say nobody in the championship can do what he does is silly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonaldinho 2,530 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Adam' date=' what are you talking about. I'm telling you Borini has been as good as Beckham at THIS AGE. He's not going to be going for £25 million or playing for Real Madrid or Man. United or anything.I've had enough of this, i'm not telling you he's World Class. I'm telling you he will be in the future - jesus christ, it's not exactly unheard of that someone who helps earn promotion for a Championship team whilst out on loan from a major club can go on to do big things. [b']You won't be seeing me for a while [/b] EDIT: Oh my god, what are you on about. I haven't said any of the things you've claimed i've said - did i say no-one can score a free-kick, did i say scoring a free-kick makes him a good player, did i say he's a world class player at the moment. Didn't quite last the whole year then Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mousey1 2,165 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion It can if he's in the Italy U21 side' date=' AHEAD of Mario Balotteli and co. He's going to be big. I've seen him 8 or 9 times in a Swansea shirt, each one proved so much to me.Beckham at North End, we've had Frank Lampard down in League 2. [YOUTUBE']8i37Fa2yOBs[/YOUTUBE] This sort of ability shows me he can be world class, no-one in the Championship can do that, very few in the Premiership can do that - whoever your up against that's going in. Nobody else in the championship can do that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swanseajack 11,418 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Didn't quite last the whole year then Haha Nobody else in the championship can do that. Well you've obviously mis-interpreted it then. It's obvious i didn't mean no-body in the Championship can score a free-kick No-body in the Championship can hit a free-kick with the technique he used, that's Ronaldo/Drogba style. Right in the top hand corner, and no-one stopping that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart H 19,818 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Haha Well you've obviously mis-interpreted it then. It's obvious i didn't mean no-body in the Championship can score a free-kick No-body in the Championship can hit a free-kick with the technique he used' date=' that's Ronaldo/Drogba style. Right in the top hand corner, and no-one stopping that.[/quote'] Ronaldo's woeful at free-kicks. The number of efforts he has compared to the number he scores is ridiculous. Sure they look pretty if they go in but it still only counts as one goal... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mousey1 2,165 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Haha Well you've obviously mis-interpreted it then. It's obvious i didn't mean no-body in the Championship can score a free-kick No-body in the Championship can hit a free-kick with the technique he used' date=' that's Ronaldo/Drogba style. Right in the top hand corner, and no-one stopping that.[/quote'] Im just going to agree with you. Give me strength. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MiddlesbroughFC 817 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion Haha Well you've obviously mis-interpreted it then. It's obvious i didn't mean no-body in the Championship can score a free-kick No-body in the Championship can hit a free-kick with the technique he used' date=' that's Ronaldo/Drogba style. Right in the top hand corner, and no-one stopping that.[/quote'] IMO scoring a free kick using that technique doesnt make it better than someone who uses the conventional method. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mousey1 2,165 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion I think id take Kris commons Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.