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Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion

IMO scoring a free kick using that technique doesnt make it better than someone who uses the conventional method.

I was just thinking that :P

To use a Leicester example, Gallagher has scored a fair few free kicks this season, most of which the GK got nowhere near. He didn't use the Drogba style though, does that mean they're not as good?

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Re: Premiership 2010/2011 Disscussion

I was just thinking that :P

To use a Leicester example' date=' Gallagher has scored a fair few free kicks this season, most of which the GK got nowhere near. He didn't use the Drogba style though, does that mean they're not as good?[/quote']

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IMO scoring a free kick using that technique doesnt make it better than someone who uses the conventional method.

I know what your saying' date=' it doesn't make him better at free-kicks. But it shows he has the ability of above and beyond the Championship.

Ronaldo's woeful at free-kicks. The number of efforts he has compared to the number he scores is ridiculous. Sure they look pretty if they go in but it still only counts as one goal...

Apparantly i've directly compared him to Ronaldo now, just because he uses the same sort of technique. For my recolection he's had 3 direct shots from a free-kick at Swansea. Scored one, one hit the bar/tipped over by Lee Camp away to Forest and the other was missed in the play-off final.

Regardless of free-kicks, he is going to be a great player. That free-kick just shows he's above and beyond Championship quality.

I think id take Kris commons

You'd take Robbie Savage at this rate :P

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If Borini had as much potential as Aidan is making out, surely Chelsea would have made a bit more of an effort to hold on to him?

1) It can if he's in the Italy U21 side' date=' AHEAD of Mario Balotteli and co. He's going to be big. I've seen him 8 or 9 times in a Swansea shirt, each one proved so much to me.

Beckham at North End, we've had Frank Lampard down in League 2.

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2) This sort of ability shows me he can be world class, no-one in the Championship can do that, very few in the Premiership can do that - whoever your up against that's going in.

1) This is incorrect.

2) Bostock scored a much better free-kick from 30 yards against us. Is he going to be world class?

What about Snodgrass? He can also score free-kicks. He's scored some right screamers this season too.

Anyway, you were talking about the technique. He scored ONE free-kick. I watched the play-off final and he also ballooned one over the bar. Scoring a one-off free-kick does not make you a superstar. In-fact, scoring 100 free-kicks like that wouldn't make you a superstar. Several players are set-piece specialists - doesn't make them world class.

But ye, I don't know if you mean it, but you're implying that Borini was the best player the Championship is ever seen and he, quite simply, is not.

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If Borini had as much potential as Aidan is making out' date=' surely Chelsea would have made a bit more of an effort to hold on to him?

1) This is incorrect.

2) Bostock scored a much better free-kick from 30 yards against us. Is he going to be world class?

What about Snodgrass? He can also score free-kicks. He's scored some right screamers this season too.

But ye, I don't know if you mean it, but you're implying that Borini was the best player the Championship is ever seen and he, quite simply, is not.[/quote']

Chelsea offered him a contract last year, Chelsea offered him a contract this season. But he was keen to leave, he had agreed to join Parma back in February apparantly and having developed an affection at Swansea he is quiet dissapointed to leave this way, and a letter written by Borini is going to be released to the fans of the club. Point is though, Chelsea didn't have a choice in the end.

Seft, i'm not being funny. It's one thing for mousey to misinterpret my comment but it's anothe for you to after i've explained it to him. It's not about him scoring the best free-kick in the division, it's about him having more technical ability then the players at this level.

I'm not saying he is the best player in the Championship, he wasn't the best player at Swansea last season. But he had the most potential in the Championship, hence the move to Parma and interest from the likes of Lazio and Juventus.

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Chelsea offered him a contract last year' date=' Chelsea offered him a contract this season. But he was keen to leave, he had agreed to join Parma back in February apparantly and having developed an affection at Swansea he is quiet dissapointed to leave this way, and a letter written by Borini is going to be released to the fans of the club. Point is though, Chelsea didn't have a choice in the end.

Seft, i'm not being funny. It's one thing for mousey to misinterpret my comment but it's anothe for you to after i've explained it to him. It's not about him scoring the best free-kick in the division, it's about him having more technical ability then the players at this level.

I'm not saying he is the best player in the Championship, he wasn't the best player at Swansea last season. But he had the most potential in the Championship, hence the move to Parma and interest from the likes of Lazio and Juventus.[/quote']

So scoring one good free-kick is proof of having more technical ability?

Ok.

In that case Bostock is even better in terms of technical ability. As I said, he scored a much better free-kick from much farther out.

Anyhow, he's scored ONE free-kick. How is that proof of anything? As I (and you) already mentioned, he also ballooned one over in the play-off final. The goal could have been fluke.

Maybe he does have "world class" potential - but scoring one free-kick is not proof of that. Put whatever spin on it you like, he's only scored one free-kick. And missed two, according to you. How that is proof of anything is beyond me.

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So scoring one good free-kick is proof of having more technical ability?

Ok.

In that case Bostock is even better in terms of technical ability. As I said' date=' he scored a much better free-kick from much farther out.

Anyhow, he's scored ONE free-kick. How is that proof of anything? As I (and you) already mentioned, he also ballooned one over in the play-off final. The goal could have been fluke.

Maybe he does have "world class" potential - but scoring one free-kick is not proof of that. Put whatever spin on it you like, he's only scored one free-kick. And missed two, according to you. How that is proof of anything is beyond me.[/quote']

No, i'm just saying that free-kick is just showing the quality he does have. No body at this level takes a free-kick like that, nobody has that technical ability.

He's only scored one free-kick yes, he's only taken what ... three. For Chelsea reserves he's scored numerous free-kicks and he's scored a couple for Italy U19's.

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No' date=' [b']i'm just saying that free-kick is just showing the quality he does have[/b]. No body at this level takes a free-kick like that, nobody has that technical ability.

He's only scored one free-kick yes, he's only taken what ... three. For Chelsea reserves he's scored numerous free-kicks and he's scored a couple for Italy U19's.

How?

It's a set-piece. That's it. Scoring a free-kick is not proof of anything, no matter how unorthodox the way the player has taken it.

Because no-one else scored a free-kick in the same way? Right. I fail to see the logic here.

Ian Harte scored dozens of free-kicks for Leeds. He still does for Reading, and did for Carlisle. Doesn't make him world class.

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There are so many variables that depend on whether a talented teenager goes on to attain world class status (whatever that arbitrary tag even means) that outside of the very rare exceptional cases who are doing extraordinary things at a young age it's just impossible to predict with any certainty.

There are a ton of examples of potential going unfulfilled, Giovani dos Santos had a La Liga hattrick as a teenager and was lauded by some Barca players as one of the most technically gifted players at the club but hasn't exactly gone on to be the player everybody expected. An interesting parallel with Borini would be Enzo Maresca, who looked one of the most exciting players in the 2nd tier of English football at the tender ages of 17 and 18, signed for one of the powerhouses of Italian football at the time, represented Italy at just about every age group and was going to go on to be a lynch pin for the national side by all accounts but he never quite settled anywhere till his ceiling had lowered a little. Not that he had a bad career, but he didn't meet expectations.

It's semantics really, but if you're saying he's going to be a world class player then given his CV so far you can hardly blame people for being sceptical, it's hardly a traditional route to super stardom that he's been down. If you're saying he could be a world class player then fair dinkum.

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How?

It's a set-piece. That's it. Scoring a free-kick is not proof of anything' date=' no matter how unorthodox the way the player has taken it.

Because no-one else scored a free-kick in the same way? Right. I fail to see the logic here.

[b']Ian Harte scored dozens of free-kicks for Leeds. He still does for Reading, and did for Carlisle. Doesn't make him world class. [/b]

Should of seen Aarons(Duffman) face when he put on away against Southampton last season (not the one just gone) for Carlise , mixture of delight and reservation as we were center of about 8,000 in the Northam stand was a beauty of a strike though!

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Adam' date=' what are you talking about. I'm telling you Borini has been as good as Beckham at THIS AGE. He's not going to be going for £25 million or playing for Real Madrid or Man. United or anything.

I've had enough of this, i'm not telling you he's World Class. I'm telling you he will be in the future - jesus christ, it's not exactly unheard of that someone who helps earn promotion for a Championship team whilst out on loan from a major club can go on to do big things.

You won't be seeing me for a while B)

EDIT: Oh my god, what are you on about. I haven't said any of the things you've claimed i've said - did i say no-one can score a free-kick, did i say scoring a free-kick makes him a good player, did i say he's a world class player at the moment.[/quote']

What am i on about ? What are you on about !

I never said you think he is world class now !!!

I was talking about your opinion of him becoming world class. :rolleyes:

Im telling you he wasnt as good as Beckham at his age.

DID i say you said he is a world class player at the moment :confused: Christ sake Jack, roll on may 2012 so the championship thread can have you back.

You posted a video saying that gives you a indication of his quality.... i questioned that. :rolleyes:

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No......

Im saying it because your logic behind your posts baffles me and your saying i said things i didnt.

Whether by you (which seems to me like a misunderstanding :o) or by other people (which certainly is the case) - i'm in the same boat with the latter. I'm trying to put my point across but whatever i'm saying is getting translated in the process - for example free-kicks. Is that indication that he's world class - no. Is that indication that he's proven himself in the Championship - well i suppose so, although it is only a moment.

I can understand why people would question my original statement, it was meant to be questioned. But in time i believe that he will be somebody a little bit special, i've got a good feeling about him and his future :)

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No......

Im saying it because your logic behind your posts baffles me and your saying i said things i didnt.

In all fairness Adam, he was just saying that he thinks Borini is as good as Beckham was at this age. There was no need to say you can't wait to see him back in the Championship thread in 2012, considering the fact that he is probably delighted to be posting in the Prem Discussion thread for the first time as a fan of a team in the Prem. Just thought that was a bit harsh coming a meer 3 days after their promotion.

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Whether by you (which seems to me like a misunderstanding :o) or by other people (which certainly is the case) - i'm in the same boat with the latter. I'm trying to put my point across but whatever i'm saying is getting translated in the process - for example free-kicks. Is that indication that he's world class - no. Is that indication that he's proven himself in the Championship - well i suppose so' date=' although it is only a moment.

I can understand why people would question my original statement, it was meant to be questioned. But in time i believe that he will be somebody a little bit special, i've got a good feeling about him and his future :)[/quote']

Jack i actually rate him, and like him as a football player. I think he will do very well, i just dont see him ever becoming world class. But thats my opinion and were all aloud one ;)

no hard feelings ey? :o

Barry....... you feeling slightly over sensitive tonight mate?

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Jack i actually rate him' date=' and like him as a football player. I think he will do very well, i just dont see him ever becoming world class. But thats my opinion and were all aloud one ;)

no hard feelings ey? :o

Barry....... you feeling slightly over sensitive tonight mate?[/quote']

Well that's all i thought, a difference in opinion but it was a little harsh to be honest.

Anyway what's this come from - me wishing him the best of luck after leaving the club.

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I just can't wait untill next season :o Although with the season starting August 13th i will miss the first game of the season (whether it be home or away through holidays). So with those fixtures coming out on June 17th i'll be praying for something like Wolves away :P:o

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Jack i actually rate him' date=' and like him as a football player. I think he will do very well, i just dont see him ever becoming world class. But thats my opinion and were all aloud one ;)

no hard feelings ey? :o

Barry....... you feeling slightly over sensitive tonight mate?[/quote']

I have no idea why I posted that tbh lol

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Swansea City have made a £3m bid for Danny Graham according to Sky Sports sources.

Haven't got any sort of a link admitedlly, but it's breaking news on SSN. I'd love him, so i'm delighted by the news, the number 9 we've been looking for. I think £3m is well worth it with his track record, and the fact he seems to beable to score goals against better opposition then the team he's in (like Watford, Carlisle ...) which we are going to need next season.

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Swansea City have made a £3m bid for Danny Graham according to Sky Sports sources.

Haven't got any sort of a link admitedlly' date=' but it's breaking news on SSN. I'd love him, so i'm delighted by the news, the number 9 we've been looking for. I think £3m is well worth it with his track record, and the fact he seems to beable to score goals against better opposition then the team he's in (like Watford, Carlisle ...) which we are going to need next season.[/quote']

Turned down £2.5m from the Albion by all accounts last month, and the local meeja suggested they'd probably go back with another bid. Looked pretty average to me whenever we've been in the division but I've watched next to no Championship football this year and his goals suggest he's developed since then.

As much as our scouting network rarely gets it wrong I tend to agree with the consensus on our forums that think the fee is a bit much for someone like him, I suppose you take the hit on initial outlay because he'd likely demand a lower wage than established targets though. Either way it's not one that has me particularly excited.

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Dear Premiership (again),

It would appear that you are not looking after your SwanseaJack very well. He keeps on finding his way back to the Championship thread. Suffice to say, we are not best pleased. We agreed one year. It hasn't even been one week. Please look after your SwanseaJack better.

Thanks.

A most bemused Championship.

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Mark Hughes quits Fulham' date=' presumably to take over the reins at Villa.[/quote']

Not my first choice ( Moyes - but it was never going to happen ) but its fair to say im pretty happy with that appointment. I know its not confirmed, but the board have acted quickly and have appointed a manager the majority of the fans are more than happy with.

Understands the premiership, hopefully he is given a bit of money ( although past record isnt perfect, i just think its hard to judge a manager on what he spent at City ..... ).

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Dear Premiership (again)' date='

It would appear that you are not looking after your SwanseaJack very well. He keeps on finding his way back to the Championship thread. Suffice to say, we are not best pleased. We agreed one year. It hasn't even been one week. Please look after your SwanseaJack better.

Thanks.

A most bemused Championship.[/quote']

Im enjoying these.

No wonder he ends up back at the championship, its the most exciting league there is.

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