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Hello.

I am not sure if this topic has been discussed before but after playing this game for over 3 years now I think that players fitness and cards are not as they should be.

First of all the reality is that there are few but there are some players that didnt miss a single league game in entire season. I think that Patrice Evra is one of them last season for Man U. beside PL he also played CL and some cup games. This tells me that his fitness is top noch every game or Fergie woudnt use him that frequently. This also means that current setup, where players are in "not match fit" form if playin 3 consecutive games is kinda undermining fitness level. This also means that you have to have good bench but not as in real life to fill out the missing parts while in game but to use them when fitness of top players is below game playing capability. I think that they should restore their power sooner after few games played.

Now about the cards. Getting a card significantly drops players game rating. He can score 5 goals in one game and his rating would still be max 8 if he received 1 yellow card. If he got a red card lets say for preventing the other team to gain draw in 89.th minute his rating is still 3-4-5... Thier ratings are punished way to hard. And while on ratings I really didnt find any real use of those ratings. It can give you an idea that player playing average 6 7 rating when the rest of the team is getting much higher ratings did bad or that you use him in wrong poistion but what if he is in right position and still receives bad ratings ?

Lets say i have 20 players and decide to sell 8 with lowest rating after a season. Does this mean that remainng 12 are best team you can get out of those 20 or does this simple means that randomness of ratings and randomnes off game engine gives no meaning to this feature at all, if you know what am saying...

And finaly I really miss penalties :) You can choose penalty shooter, actually you HAVE to chose him, but even I did read about 100 game reports never did I see a penalty given, just "no penalty" comment.

thats my 2 cents...

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Yeah I agree with the penalties thing, I'd like to see them involved in matches. It seems pointless having to select a penalty taker with no penalties awarded for them to take :rolleyes:

The fitness is a difficult one. Although you say there are some players that do not miss a match - I doubt if this includes all matches in all competitions.

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Yeah I agree with the penalties thing' date=' I'd like to see them involved in matches. It seems pointless having to select a penalty taker with no penalties awarded for them to take :rolleyes:

The fitness is a difficult one. Although you say there are some players that do not miss a match - I doubt if this includes all matches in all competitions.[/quote']

I didnt say that they play all games but in SM they cant play 3 in a row. In real life they can do many many more... and then perhaps rest for 1 game...

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I didnt say that they play all games but in SM they cant play 3 in a row. In real life they can do many many more... and then perhaps rest for 1 game...

i agree with fitness, in SM i need 2 full teams, if fitness wasn't so poor i would sell a lot of players liks suarez as i dont want him, but i need him for cup games ! if we didn't have to rotate so heavily /SM was more realistic it would be better i think, some parts of the game have to be unrealistic to make it fun, eg squad sizes but i think fitness could do with a tweaking

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Fitness - i brough a player just before the season started (so he'd played NOTHING) and played him in the first game, he dropped to almost 10% fitness which means he'll miss 1 maybe 2 games lol, the penalty things is also good

Cards/Ratings - its silly isn't it lol, i dont see the point of looking at the ratings as i have a CB playing out of position getting 6/7's every game and a Wing playing on the wing getting 4's, to me it shows no real effect on my results so i just ignore it

Penalties - Should have some in the matches, it is kinda pointless setting a taker when you never get any lol

some good points dude :)

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Now about the cards. Getting a card significantly drops players game rating. He can score 5 goals in one game and his rating would still be max 8 if he received 1 yellow card. If he got a red card lets say for preventing the other team to gain draw in 89.th minute his rating is still 3-4-5... Thier ratings are punished way to hard. And while on ratings I really didnt find any real use of those ratings. It can give you an idea that player playing average 6 7 rating when the rest of the team is getting much higher ratings did bad or that you use him in wrong poistion but what if he is in right position and still receives bad ratings ?
Cards/Ratings - its silly isn't it lol' date=' i dont see the point of looking at the ratings as i have a CB playing out of position getting 6/7's every game and a Wing playing on the wing getting 4's, to me it shows no real effect on my results so i just ignore it[/quote']

I absolutely agree with you. Yellow cards shouldn’t affect so much a player’s rating. As in real life, when a player receives a yellow card, it doesn’t necessarily means that the player will always perform a level down, after the card…

And this thing about a player playing in a wrong position and being rated 6/7+, scoring or being the best player of the team, is getting ridiculous… It’s happening all the time, it’s like making fun of us. It’s as the SM are telling us to ACTUALLY DO THIS, use players in wrong positions! In real life, this could happen in a rate of 1%, a player playing in wrong position and being the best player of the match… They really should fix this in the match engine.

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if their going to do anything about penalties then free kicks should be mentioned also.

fitness wise, i think its good that you have to rotate your squad in sm.

considering that premiership games are spaced every 7 days and in sm there half that. most premiership teams use the midweek league cup games freshening up their team mixing it up with reserve players and some first teamers, and if your going to make certain players fitter than others id say that would be hard to implement so they just keep them the same.

i never pay attention to ratings as they are too erratic and just unreal at times so i canae trust them

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It does annoy me that playing a player in their secondary position means they play awful, it's pretty pointless in even having secondary positions!

And going on the ratings, sometimes lower rated players, ie 78 or something, get played because the manager hasn't changed their normal player and then that 78 could score a hat trick but still get a rating of 5 because his SM rating isn't very good.

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Fitness is fine as it is on SM, most players in real life rarely play 3 matches in a week, playing a cup team on sm is no different to what Arsenal and Chelsea do in real life.

Another point,

There is no difference whatsoever playing a player in his first or second position.

Trust me...

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just another thought, if your constantly winning like i am, i would say the match engine is fine (and i do) if your losing like you probably are you will say the match engine is wrong , nothing to do with the fact that your rubbish. Player match ratings probably don't even come into influencing the result. The only decent comment on this point is about penalty kicks. Which will probably be coming into Soccer Manager the next time the game gets updated.

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just another thought' date=' if your constantly winning like i am, i would say the match engine is fine (and i do) if your losing like you probably are you will say the match engine is wrong , nothing to do with the fact that your rubbish. Player match ratings probably don't even come into influencing the result. The only decent comment on this point is about penalty kicks. Which will probably be coming into Soccer Manager the next time the game gets updated.[/quote']

hahaha. well said mourinho.

the match engine is just a gimmick. a glitch ridden gimmick but as you say no one complains when they win. match ratings as ive said are untrustworthy. only pay attention to possesion people.

stats dont lie, u have more possession statistically ull win 8/10. trust me.

some people want a quick fix on here, look at your own stats and ul become a winning manager like me and himself there.

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The fitness needs a serious re doing i feel aswell. Having to tweek your squad so often is something that isnt realistic as people have said. Its just more work trying to bring in better players for cup games where as in reality your better players feature in both cup and league games, without any affect on their fitness. I just think fitness percentage levels should not be dropped as much.

The penalty idea is one that needs introducing too. :)

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completely agree with you. Penalties should be included to make it more realistic and the fitness should be edited too.

nobodies mentioning free kicks on here. there are players in real life who are specialists so sm could introduce that to a players stats also.

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use search tool' date=' individual attributes are not a part of SM and will never be. the 99 or less rating given to players is fine enough.[/quote']

So basically just give Free kicks to your highest rated mid/fwd?

Let Torres take them over Gerrard for instance?

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So basically just give Free kicks to your highest rated mid/fwd?

Let Torres take them over Gerrard for instance?

it makes no difference tbh. i would think a mid/fwd taking it is preferable although seeing as not included in the match engine it makes no difference / not that i have seen.

keepers take corners for some teams and nothing happens / they don't concede 5 a game :P

to be safe id put your best mid or forward / the better of the two.

ronaldo or rooney id put ronaldo or even who is on better form :)

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use search tool' date=' individual attributes are not a part of SM and will never be. the 99 or less rating given to players is fine enough.[/quote']

who said they were.

if u read the full thread u would of seen from a previous comment of mine that individual attributes would be hard to implement.

i was merely suggesting if they were to do these changes then they COULD implement wat i suggested.

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who said they were.

if u read the full thread u would of seen from a previous comment of mine that individual attributes would be hard to implement.

i was merely suggesting if they were to do these changes then they COULD implement wat i suggested.

ermm if your saying free kick stats could be possibly introduced to a playera profile then im saying SM couldn't ?

that is what you said isn't it ?

sorry for any confusion.

im just saying even if SM did introduce freekicks into the game very little chance of a specific free kick taking ability / set piece specialist rating or award of any kind being introduced.

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ermm if your saying free kick stats could be possibly introduced to a playera profile then im saying SM couldn't ?

that is what you said isn't it ?

sorry for any confusion.

im just saying even if SM did introduce freekicks into the game very little chance of a specific free kick taking ability / set piece specialist rating or award of any kind being introduced.

It'd just be nice to actually see someone score a free kick or a penalty...I've been discussing this with my mates in a custom league...

Penalties and free kicks are integral parts of the game, so why aren't they in this game?

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