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Well he's been called the anti-Christ hasn't he :)

No it's not reasonable-as in truth you (by yourself) has little say in where money is spent.

Well perhaps that's part of the problem over here' date=' we have a so called ( free) health service which wastes billions on staff ( including doctors) who earn more than the prime minister, obesity, drug addiction, abortions, STDs, ( including HIV), cosmetic surgery, treatments to foreign health tourists etc etc...given the choice i am pretty certain the average tax payer would see a large chunk of that lot cut back. B)[/color']

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Re: The Politics Thread You post up the article involving one case and arguing on that basis that NHS isn't great. So you are generalising as you are implying that is all they pay for all year long.

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Well perhaps that's part of the problem over here' date=' we have a so called ( free) health service which wastes billions on staff ( including doctors) who earn more than the prime minister, obesity, drug addiction, abortions, STDs, ( including HIV), cosmetic surgery, treatments to foreign health tourists etc etc...given the choice i am pretty certain the average tax payer would see a large chunk of that lot cut back. B)[/color']

So would you say that you deal with the problems rather than the causes themselves?

And they have too-as the private sector is not taking up the excess unemployed so the public sector has to grow by creating jobs (usually where none before existed) and watering down quality.

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Almost any disease or injury can be described as your own fault if you extrapolate enough. Best no to try and do the job of the NHS treat people who are sick. And they only do cosmetic surgery for people with disfigurements or serious injuries. And the health tourist claim is way overstated.

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So would you say that you deal with the problems rather than the causes themselves?

The problems and the causes are one and the same to me' date=' all that i listed are wholly preventable, the NHS needs ( major) reforming and in a wider sense its high time the individual starting taking responsibility for there own actions rather than waiting for the state to pick up the pieces for them. [/color']

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Almost any disease or injury can be described as your own fault if you extrapolate enough. Best no to try and do the job of the NHS treat people who are sick. And they only do cosmetic surgery for people with disfigurements or serious injuries. And the health tourist claim is way overstated.

Perhaps' date=' but ( like smoking) unprotected sexual intercourse is a lifestyle choice and should be treated accordingly.[/color']

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Perhaps' date=' but ( like smoking) unprotected sexual intercourse is a lifestyle choice and should be treated accordingly.[/color']

Agreed

The problems and the causes are one and the same to me' date=' all that i listed are wholly preventable, the NHS needs ( major) reforming and in a wider sense its high time the individual starting taking responsibility for there own actions rather than waiting for the state to pick up the pieces for them. [/color']

But on the other hand i suppose its better having health care than having none, Here is SA if you have none or you are poor, the hospital will tell you to take a hike.

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Almost any disease or injury can be described as your own fault if you extrapolate enough. Best no to try and do the job of the NHS treat people who are sick. And they only do cosmetic surgery for people with disfigurements or serious injuries. And the health tourist claim is way overstated.

If we probe for the root causes then maybe the huge upfront coast can be reduced. The problem however becomes what will happen to all those medical schools pumping out doctors' date=' techs etc, and the students who will be training to become a medical person.

The problems and the causes are one and the same to me, all that i listed are wholly preventable, the NHS needs ( major) reforming and in a wider sense its high time the individual starting taking responsibility for there own actions rather than waiting for the state to pick up the pieces for them.

They can't be-root causes can be dealt with and in the medium to long term the problems will begin to dissipate.

What reforms would you like to see-and remember each would have consequences.

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Perhaps' date=' but ( like smoking) unprotected sexual intercourse is a lifestyle choice and should be treated accordingly.[/color']

Really? And what made the person make those choices while another will not?

Agreed

But on the other hand i suppose its better having health care than having none' date=' Here is SA if you have none or you are poor, the hospital will tell you to take a hike.[/color']

Yeah mate :o

Only what happens here is that they give you the end of a reel of red tape and by the time you find the other end you are either cured or need a box..:(:o

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What reforms would you like to see-and remember each would have consequences.

In short.. cost ( wages/ inefficiency/ waste) and expectation' date=' treatment for certain easily identifiable illness's ( obesity / STDS/ non emergency abortions) should be part funded by the individual or withdrawn.[/color']

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In short.. cost ( wages/ inefficiency/ waste) and expectation' date=' treatment for certain easily identifiable illness's ( obesity / STDS/ non emergency abortions) should be part funded by the individual or withdrawn.[/color']

So put people on the breadline? Buildings/equipment without staff to run it? What happens to all the support systems put into place to keep those systems in place eg. British equipment manufacturers, training institutions etc.

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So put people on the breadline? Buildings/equipment without staff to run it? What happens to all the support systems put into place to keep those systems in place eg. British equipment manufacturers' date=' training institutions etc.[/quote']

No, put an end to the extortionate salaries of Gp's, dentists, consultants, executives , managers etc. The NHS procurement legendary for its waste with estimates paying over 150% for everyday items commonplace.

Well if it's a lifestyle choice-something has to encourage persons to make the right choice-was it schooling (so the education system needs revamping) or maybe parenting (and social services) or living in a economically depressed area ..

Oh please' date=' over the last 25 years i have had just about a gut-full of that sort of that liberal rubbish, its a con and i find it insulting to anyone from ( what we used to call) the working class.[/color']

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No' date=' put an end to the extortionate salaries of Gp's, dentists, consultants, executives , managers etc. The NHS procurement legendary for its waste with estimates paying over 150% for everyday items commonplace.[/color']

Oh please, over the last 25 years i have had just about a gut-full of that sort of that liberal rubbish, its a con and i find it insulting to anyone from ( what we used to call) the working class.

But isn't their salaries set by market rates? And you have to factor transport and freight costs since you don't manufacture much and China is pretty far off ..

:D yeah it's an interesting liberal argument -difficult to prove either way.

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A large percentage of the NHS bill goes straight back into the economy with wages. Privatising it and thus outsourcing money and jobs to U.S, French, German etc companies does not sound like a very great longterm idea for the greater economy at this stage.

And do you want to live in a Britain which turns down simple treatment for various people simply because they are poor?

What kind of a careless and cruel country that would be if that were to be the case. If we have money to go to war, have nukes and bail out the banks, we most certainly have funds for the NHS the Police and the Fire Brigade.

Crazy

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A large percentage of the NHS bill goes straight back into the economy with wages. Privatising it and thus outsourcing money and jobs to U.S' date=' French, German etc companies does not sound like a very great longterm idea for the greater economy at this stage.

And do you want to live in a Britain which turns down simple treatment for various people simply because they are poor?

What kind of a careless and cruel country that would be if that were to be the case. If we have money to go to war, have nukes and bail out the banks, we most certainly have funds for the NHS the Police and the Fire Brigade.

Crazy[/quote']

Outsourcing, privatisation? i don't recall mentioning either, but if tax payers money can be saved by either and used to pay for front line treatment i don't see the problem..do you?. Likewise where does poverty come into it?..i spoke of life style choices, or does the logic of your ( blind socialist) rhetoric mean that the poor can't be trusted not to make correct lifestyle choices?. And what sort of treatments are you referring to?..new breasts for this ugly old troll perhaps?..is that why we pay our taxes?

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Outsourcing' date=' privatisation? i don't recall mentioning either, but if tax payers money can be saved by either and used to pay for front line treatment i don't see the problem..do you?. Likewise where does poverty come into it?..i spoke of life style choices, or does the logic of your ( blind socialist) rhetoric mean that the poor can't be trusted not to make correct lifestyle choices?. And what sort of treatments are you referring to?..new breasts for this ugly old troll perhaps?..is that why we pay our taxes?[/color']

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So all of your hatred is backed by the evidence of a single event which can be barely described as even an outlier.

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This is the list of cosmetic surgery available in the NHS and the conditions necessary for them to carry it out:

breast implants – due to severe underdevelopment or asymmetry (lop-sidedness)

breast reduction – due to back pain or shoulder pain

nose reshaping (rhinoplasty) – due to breathing problems

abdominal surgery – for example, tummy tucks as a result of excess fat or skin after pregnancy or essential abdominal surgery

eyelid reduction – due to affected vision

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This is the list of cosmetic surgery available in the NHS and the conditions necessary for them to carry it out:

breast implants – due to severe underdevelopment or asymmetry (lop-sidedness)

breast reduction – due to back pain or shoulder pain

nose reshaping (rhinoplasty) – due to breathing problems

abdominal surgery – for example' date=' tummy tucks as a result of excess fat or skin after pregnancy or essential abdominal surgery

eyelid reduction – due to affected vision[/quote']

All justified. Most of it would be covered by the health insurance here too

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So all of your hatred is backed by the evidence of a single event which can be barely described as even an outlier.

Hatred ?..that's a bit of a strong word isn't it? my cheery German friend. So how do you associate making the case for reform of the NHS and the desire for people to take a little personal responsibility for their own well being with hatred?. And for your information the picture of the young lady is quite relevant as i ( a UK taxpayer) paid for her operation.

‘My new boobs have changed my life. Now I can’t wait to do topless and swimsuit photo-shoots and become the new Katie Price.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2299233/Model-Josie-Cunninghams-4-800-breast-op--foot-Outrage-NHS-provides-36DD-implants.html

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Hatred ?..that's a bit of a strong word isn't it? my cheery German friend. So how do you associate making the case for reform of the NHS and the desire for people to take a little personal responsibility for their own well being with hatred?. And for your information the picture of the young lady is quite relevant as i ( a UK taxpayer) paid for her operation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2299233/Model-Josie-Cunninghams-4-800-breast-op--foot-Outrage-NHS-provides-36DD-implants.html

I expected you to be a lot smarter than reading a DailyMail article and generalizing based on it.

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Sorry Longnose i didn't find your post very constructive. Being overweight is not a lifestyle choice for example. And whats all this 'blind socialist' nonsense? Thats very narrow minded its 2013. I have no interest in socialism.

Trust has nothing to do with it.

Talking about someones breasts i mean* please...not impressed.

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Hatred ?..that's a bit of a strong word isn't it? my cheery German friend. So how do you associate making the case for reform of the NHS and the desire for people to take a little personal responsibility for their own well being with hatred?. And for your information the picture of the young lady is quite relevant as i ( a UK taxpayer) paid for her operation.

No, it's a 6-letter one which ends with a D, my uncheery English acquaintance.

As a fellow UK taxpayer, I did too. It's terrible, no? But I certainly don't think throwing in private businesses to the mixture of what Attlee made is a good idea - you may not have said it but being the Maggie-lover you are, you certainly want it.

Would a little government reviewing of NHS operations hurt? A bit more scrutiny to ensure it doesn't flop? I find it beautifully coincidental that all this happened at the peak of the Tories trying to push through their ridiculous destruction of the NHS.

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I expected you to be a lot smarter than reading a DailyMail article and generalizing based on it.

Generalising ?' date=' not at all and i used the Mail because thats the paper i read ( it was a big story and could have been any one of them). My point stands, should the NHS pay for what only can be described as a cosmetic enhancement? and i would be interested to know that if any subsequent money the young lady earns from her new appendages is returned in a donation to her local hospital..i suspect not.[/color']

Sorry Longnose i didn't find your post very constructive. Being overweight is not a lifestyle choice for example. And whats all this 'blind socialist' nonsense? Thats very narrow minded its 2013. I have no interest in socialism.

Trust has nothing to do with it.

Talking about someones breasts i mean* please...not impressed.

I'm sorry but i disagree ' date=' being FAT is more often than not a result of poor diet and lack of exercise ...not everybody is born with big bones you know. Whilst you may not be a Labour supporter your reaction to any talk of NHS reform mirrors that of teh left..you know, lets keep it as it is or the poor will suffer, again my point is that the poor are suffering ( Stafford hospital for example). [/color']

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Sorry Longnose i didn't find your post very constructive. Being overweight is not a lifestyle choice for example. And whats all this 'blind socialist' nonsense? Thats very narrow minded its 2013. I have no interest in socialism.

Trust has nothing to do with it.

Talking about someones breasts i mean* please...not impressed.

It almost is.

There is alot of help out there ( Physical Activity Interventions, coupled with Exercise Psychologist support ) not to mention just dont eat as much.

I hate how people talk about obesity as a disease, not saying you are, certainly hacks me off though.

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