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You've generalised massively there.

I' date=' like Spam, feel so disassociated with what's going on in Gaza that the news is all blending into one. I feel like whatever I think or do, both sides will continue to blow each other up and that will never change. Obviously, the death count is horrible, as is the fear that the area instills but it isn't my problem and I really hope the UK doesn't make it its problem.

You only have to look at Iraq to see that intervention doesn't necessarily make things better. Sure, Saddam was a bit of a despot but he was a whole lot better than ISIS. They've just ordered 4 million girls to undergo FGM for no apparent reason. So many zones in that area of the world are so backwards they're like another species.

So yeah, I don't particularly care which group is killing the other group today as tomorrow I know the news will be reporting the retaliation and this the cycle starts over.

I'll concern myself with world affairs that actually concern me, rather than feeling some faux moral obligation to care.[/quote']

It might be worth doing your own research to figure out what the issue is really about. There's no moral obligation to care, but a genuine lack of interest in everything outside of our own little daily concerns tends to reveal certain undesirable qualities in the person, like narcissism and/or uninterestingness.

If you feel like you don't understand the issues at Gaza and Iraq, the perfect solution would be to read from specialist sources a selection of opinions and see where the consensus is. No more than 10min a day for about a week would make a pretty big difference.

A reputable specialist source is a good place to start, say:

www.economist.com

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It might be worth doing your own research to figure out what the issue is really about. There's no moral obligation to care' date=' but a genuine lack of interest in [b']everything[/b] outside of our own little daily concerns tends to reveal certain undesirable qualities in the person, like narcissism and/or uninterestingness.

A reputable specialist source is a good place to start, say:

www.economist.com

Again, you've generalised. I take plenty of interest in matters outside my circle, but this matter simply doesn't interest me. Two sides have a dispute and instead of settling it, they blow each other up. Seen plenty of times throughout history and sadly, plenty of times in the modern day.

The Ukraine conflict, being a bit closer to home, a bit more interesting politically and having a bit more impact on myself, interests me much more.

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Again' date=' you've generalised. I take plenty of interest in matters outside my circle, but this matter simply doesn't interest me. Two sides have a dispute and instead of settling it, they blow each other up. Seen plenty of times throughout history and sadly, plenty of times in the modern day.

The Ukraine conflict, being a bit closer to home, a bit more interesting politically and having a bit more impact on myself, interests me much more.[/quote']

There's value to having an educated opinion about serious, timely issues about events in the world. Or to thinking about why wars happen and how we might be able to limit them, given their level of impact.

There's also value to trying to expand our worldview beyond things that impact us. That doesn't mean you can't have more of an interest in Ukraine than the Middle East, but it also doesn't mean that you can't make your best effort to just have a modicum of understanding of the issue at hand.

Knowing about the world around us and being comfortable with it empowers us and helps us to not only become better human beings, but also to enjoy higher levels of happiness and productivity in our lives.

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There's value to having an educated opinion about serious' date=' timely issues about events in the world. Or to thinking about why wars happen and how we might be able to limit them, given their level of impact.

There's also value to trying to expand our worldview beyond things that impact us. That doesn't mean you can't have more of an interest in Ukraine than the Middle East, but it also doesn't mean that you can't make your best effort to just have a modicum of understanding of the issue at hand.

Knowing about the world around us and being comfortable with it empowers us and helps us to not only become better human beings, but also to enjoy higher levels of happiness and productivity in our lives.[/quote']

I have a modicum of understanding.

I have extremely little passion for the subject.

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I have a modicum of understanding.

I have extremely little passion for the subject.

Create some.

Also, by a modicum of understanding I do mean at least figuring out why each side is fighting and how we might be able to stop the conflict. Not *I've heard of Gaza and Israel and the news reports telling us that war is bad*

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Create some.

Also' date=' by a modicum of understanding I do mean at least figuring out why each side is fighting and how we might be able to stop the conflict. Not *I've heard of Gaza and Israel and the news reports telling us that war is bad*[/quote']

Why should I? It has no impact on me and nobody has any impact on it. Can you seriously tell me that any external intervention will stop the dispute?

And yep, that's about my modicum of understanding. Don't patronise me.

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Why should I? It has no impact on me and nobody has any impact on it. Can you seriously tell me that any external intervention will stop the dispute?

And yep' date=' that's about my modicum of understanding. Don't patronise me.[/quote']

That's my point, taking an interest in things that don't concern us and having a keen interest in self-improvement.

As for learning more about the world's affairs, it doesn't have to happen today, or even tomorrow, but some day when we're ready to take more of an interest in it.

What does rub me the wrong way though is people's deliberate pride in not knowing things.

Start at 2:50 in this video. 2:50-3:30.

f3PJF0YE-x4&t=2m50s

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Why should I? It has no impact on me and nobody has any impact on it. Can you seriously tell me that any external intervention will stop the dispute?

And yep' date=' that's about my modicum of understanding. Don't patronise me.[/quote']

He didn´t talk about external intervention, he talked about a way to stop the conflict. So, you´re basically saying you watch some things on TV and you debate on a forum without knowing what you´re talking about (Thats what most of people do. They absorb information from the media (manipulated or not) and reduce decades of history to days. I read everyday or try to, its a hobby, its a passion and even I don´t know 1/10 of the history behind it.

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Wow this thread has got way patronising!!

Anyway trying to move on from Israel/Gaza....

Nick Griffin left his position as leader of the BNP and taken a backseat role, has now been replaced by Adam Walker a former teacher who was banned from classrooms for life last year on the back of a series of incidents such as verbal abuse, chasing after students in cars, slashing there bike tyres with a stanley knife etc etc so a fitting replacement!!

Not to mention saying Britain has turned into a multicultural s...hole....at least he has got the parties values down to a tee!!

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Not a fan of the condescending tone of yours. You are not the hub of the universe telling people which conflict they should know about and which they don't.

There are a million ways to self-improvement. It is no requirement to know everything and has got nothing to do with taking pride in not knowing why Israel and the Hamas are killing each other.

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Not a fan of the condescending tone of yours. You are not the hub of the universe telling people which conflict they should know about and which they don't.

There are a million ways to self-improvement. It is no requirement to know everything.

That's fine. You don't have to learn about this conflict today. But that deliberate pride of not learning because it doesn't concern us definitely isn't something to commend. You can say I can't do it right now - that's fine - but don't be proud about it.

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He didn´t talk about external intervention' date=' he talked about a way to stop the conflict. So, you´re basically saying you watch some things on TV and you debate on a forum without knowing what you´re talking about (Thats what most of people do. They absorb information from the media (manipulated or not) and reduce decades of history to days. I read everyday or try to, its a hobby, its a passion and even I don´t know 1/10 of the history behind it.[/quote']

I haven't really debated at all. I don't like being told that I should be able to debate this issue or I am some lesser human. All I have said is that I have no particular interest in this conflict, I don't see this conflict as especially different from any other conflict and that I don't see how people can be so ready to take sides when both sides have committed some atrocious acts.

That's my point' date=' taking an interest in things that don't concern us and having a keen interest in self-improvement.

As for learning more about the world's affairs, it doesn't have to happen today, or even tomorrow, but some day when we're ready to take more of an interest in it.

What does rub me the wrong way though is people's deliberate pride in not knowing things.

Start at 2:50 in this video

[YOUTUBE']f3PJF0YE-x4&t=2m50s[/YOUTUBE]

I know plenty of things. I don't like to inhibit my learning of things that do interest me by attempting to learn about things that don't interest me.

What kind of music do you like Safir?

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I know plenty of things. I don't like to inhibit my learning of things that do interest me by attempting to learn about things that don't interest me.

What kind of music do you like Safir?

See my response to Mia

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I haven't really debated at all. I don't like being told that I should be able to debate this issue or I am some lesser human. All I have said is that I have no particular interest in this conflict' date=' I don't see this conflict as especially different from any other conflict and that I don't see how people can be so ready to take sides when both sides have committed some atrocious acts.[/quote']

To be cleared, i am not considering you as lesser human because you don´t know a certain issue i know. You know things i don´t know, which is fine, we can all learn from each others, thats why there is thousands of jobs ou there, its simply passion. But i gotta say this... If you don´t nothing about an issue or enough to start an argument why would you do it? "Oh, let me talk about this and see if he is dum enough to agree with me. Let me use society and people´s emotions to my favor!" (I am not talking about you:p. I am generalizing.

I also have more interest in reading , lets says, about Ukraine/Russia because its just more interesting. What i read everyday or almost is about WWII or Cold War:D Its just fun!

To be honest, i also don´t take sides, they both commited atroccities, mistakes and see who started first is just childish. I would rather understand the action taken than pointing fingers.

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I understand your point but I don't agree with it.

What kind of music do you like?

I like things that I've been exposed to so far, but I have a keen interest in being exposed to more in time.

As for specifics, depends on the mood I'm in. I have an electronic and jazz holiday playlist (:D) that I love that puts me into an amazingly focused zone when I really need to work. I like happy dance music, like house music DJ sets when trying to pump up. When I was younger I enjoyed pop and whatever else was on the radio but I've found myself disinterested in that kind of music nowadays.

Happy?

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That's fine. You don't have to learn about this conflict today. But that deliberate pride of not learning because it doesn't concern us definitely isn't something to commend. You can say I can't do it right now - that's fine - but don't be proud about it.

I can't follow your pride reference. Saying "I genuinely don't care" means exactly that; without any pride or shame involved.

Speaking for myself, I am not gonna research this conflict to its core. I have said it pages ago at the very start that it just doesn't phase me. I am tired of hearing the same stuff day in day out. It's an endless cycle. I am not going to invest time into something I genuinely don't care about.

I am not a friend of people who prefer watching MTV all day either and don't know the slightest thing when it comes to politics, business etc. I do expect people to know what's going on in the world more or less. But apart from that, each to their own. Some learn a new language, some learn coding, others play football 4 times a week, some study conflicts.

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I can't follow your pride reference. Saying "I genuinely don't care" means exactly that; without any pride or shame involved.

Speaking for myself' date=' I am not gonna research this conflict to its core. I have said it pages ago at the very start that it just doesn't phase me. I am tired of hearing the same stuff day in day out. It's an endless cycle. I am not going to invest time into something I genuinely don't care about.

I am not a friend of people who prefer watching MTV all day either and don't know the slightest thing when it comes to politics, business etc. I do expect people to know what's going on in the world more or less. But apart from that, each to their own. Some learn a new language, some learn coding, others play football 4 times a week.[/quote']

That's fine, but people don't need to say "I will never have an interest in world affairs". You can simply say "I have more of an interest in other things right now because they're my current passions, but in due time I hope to learn more about other things too, such as the world's affairs".

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I like things that I've been exposed to so far' date=' but I have a keen interest in being exposed to more in time.

As for specifics, depends on the mood I'm in. I have an electronic and jazz holiday playlist (:D) that I love that puts me into an amazingly focused zone when I really need to work. I like happy dance music, like house music DJ sets when trying to pump up. When I was younger I enjoyed pop and whatever else was on the radio but I've found myself disinterested in that kind of music nowadays.

Happy?[/quote']

You are in for a treat Safir!

is a link to a 76 track medley of death metal. The description says "Not really famous Band but ultra brutal" which sounds really promising.

Now, I'm a reasonable guy and you only need listen to one or two songs a night for the next couple of months but you'll have broadened your horizons and feel much better for it.

It really rubs me up the wrong way when people don't give absolutely everything a good chance to become involved in their lives.

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You are in for a treat Safir!

is a link to a 76 track medley of death metal. The description says "Not really famous Band but ultra brutal" which sounds really promising.

Now' date=' I'm a reasonable guy and you only need listen to one or two songs a night for the next couple of months but you'll have broadened your horizons and feel much better for it.

It really rubs me up the wrong way when people don't give absolutely everything a good chance to become involved in their lives.[/quote']

I really hit a nerve of yours didn't I?

You're in luck, you've hit one of my nerves too.

See my response to Mia.

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That's fine' date=' but people don't need to say "I will never have an interest in world affairs". You can simply say "I have more of an interest in other things right now because they're my current passions, but in due time I hope to learn more about other things too, such as the world's affairs".[/quote']

Again with the generalising!

I have an interest in world affairs.

I have very little interest in this specific world affair.

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Again with the generalising!

I have an interest in world affairs.

I have very little interest in this specific world affair.

Then say "in due time I hope to have more of an interest in world's affairs, so I might be able to understand, for example, why war happens and how we might be able to reduce and mitigate them in the future."

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Then say "in due time I hope to have more of an interest in world's affairs' date=' so I might be able to understand, for example, why war happens and how we might be able to reduce and mitigate them in the future."[/quote']

No!

If a world affair interests me then I will research it, understand it and follow it.

The Gaza conflict doesn't interest me, for one reason or another. That's nothing like as broad as 'why war happens'.

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