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Ah but that's a subjective point completely. Whether or not a person gains utility from living compared to being dead is completely different. And I must argue that you gain more utility by being alive.

Your quality of life in prison may not be great' date=' in fact it may be awful, but in terms of utility, it is not negative. You are still allowed a certain subset of human rights. However, being dead, your utility is zero.

Think about it, would you rather be confined to somewhere for the rest of your life, given that you are still given access to basic human needs and that you can access the internet, books, and TV, do exercise etc. or would you rather be dead. We know for sure that this guy will be in solitary confinement for the rest of his life, so the huge negative utility lies in the fact that he does not have any human contact for the rest of his life should he be given life imprisonment.

But there is still some utility. So honestly, life imprisonment is perhaps better than death. And also, on the off chance, the guy may escape...[/quote']

You make some good points, but still I'd rather die than live in prison for the rest of my life.

Like you say, it's subjective. :)

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You make some good points' date=' but still I'd rather die than live in prison for the rest of my life.

Like you say, it's subjective. :)[/quote']

This is one of these present state things.

We don't think we could survive prison until we're in. As long as you're not completely discriminated against by every inmate, your life should be reasonably good.

Now this joker guy did something that probably leads to social ostracism which probably makes his life much worse than that of the average inmate.

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This is one of these present state things.

We don't think we could survive prison until we're in. As long as you're not completely discriminated against by every inmate' date=' your life should be reasonably good.

Now this joker guy did something that probably leads to social ostracism which probably makes his life much worse than that of the average inmate.[/quote']

I get what you and Tom are saying.

But for instance, I couldn't have a family life.

I couldn't go to the beach, I couldn't eat Indian food, I couldn't travel, I couldn't have a pet, I couldn't have a fulfilling professional life, I couldn't play footy and hang out with my friends, etc.

Ofc a few of these are expendable, but for example the 1st one definitely isn't.

What kind of life would that be? :confused:

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I get what you and Tom are saying.

But for instance' date=' I couldn't have a family life.

I couldn't go to the beach, I couldn't eat Indian food, I couldn't travel, I couldn't have a pet, I couldn't have a fulfilling professional life, I couldn't play footy and hang out with my friends, etc.

Ofc a few of these are expendable, but for example the 1st one definitely isn't.

What kind of life would that be? :confused:[/quote']

To be fair, YOU would have a hard time in an American prison, with your liberal theories and all :)

In time most people would learn to appreciate the nature of the prison life in each culture, whether that meant reading and video games (scandinavia) or the cut throat environment of the American animal kingdom ;)

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To be fair' date=' YOU would have a hard time in an American prison, with your liberal theories and all :)

In time most people would learn to appreciate the nature of the prison life in each culture, whether that meant reading and video games (scandinavia) or the cut throat environment of the American animal kingdom ;)[/quote']

But that guy mustn't be allowed to appreciate life in prison.

I believe he should get life in prison, but with excruciating forced labour every day.

I honestly believe the death penalty is more human than the above.

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But that guy mustn't be allowed to appreciate life in prison.

I believe he should get life in prison' date=' but with excruciating forced labour every day.

I honestly believe the death penalty is more human than the above.[/quote']

I don't think that's how prisons work though - they're a normalizing location where each inmate gets a similar punishment from the system, and where the differences are mostly related to the inmates' relative social standing with each other

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Ed Milliband in the Leaders debate is priceless..

When quizzed about Labour leaving the country in a financial crisis...

"I don't feel we overspent when we were in power"

Yet some people want to entrust our economy to a fantasist who even now when the evidence clearly shows how deluded that comment was fails to recognise the financial misgivings of the past"

God Help us if he becomes PM.....

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How does Nick Clegg automatically get the third spot in this debate??

I mean I know Farage ain't everybody's cup of tea but I think he can fairly argue that in terms of % of the vote he might well end up with more than Clegg...

TBH the competition for use of a better term on who gets the third biggest party vote is quite interesting and hugely significant in terms of how this country's political will might be pulled after the Election next Thursday.

Once that election result has been made and we realise in all probability there is nobody with overall power that's when the real politics begin!!!

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Who's everyone voting for then? This is the first election ive been able to vote in and its safe to say I have no idea who I would vote for. I did the I Side With election quiz thing and it said I agree with Lib Dems the most on things with 93%, then Labour with 93% as well, then Conservatives at 75% and UKIP at 69%. And apparently I'm a centrist

Link is down below if anyone is interested :)

https://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

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Who's everyone voting for then? This is the first election ive been able to vote in and its safe to say I have no idea who I would vote for. I did the I Side With election quiz thing and it said I agree with Lib Dems the most on things with 93%' date=' then Labour with 93% as well, then Conservatives at 75% and UKIP at 69%. And apparently I'm a centrist

Link is down below if anyone is interested :)

[url']https://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz[/url]

92% Labour

86% Lib Dems

80% All other 3

Voted yes for legalise marijuana too. Hopefully one day ;)

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92% Labour

86% Lib Dems

80% All other 3

Voted yes for legalise marijuana too. Hopefully one day ;)

Nice. Yeah I voted to legalise it, not that I smoke it. Although I could see the pros and cons of keeping it a banned substance.

As far as I'm concerned I dont really want to vote for anyone at the moment. they all seem equally inefficient.

Labour: I seem to agreee with them on many policies. However, last time they were in government they completely screwed the economy and frankly I wouldnt trust Ed Milliband with my cats.

Conservative: They've done well with the economy and I think I would probably trust Cameron more than the others. However, from what I have gathered (granted not a lot), the conservatives seem more interested in keeping the large corporation rich and arent too interested in bridging the divide between the rice and the poor. I'd probably say that I'm inherently anti-conservative if I'm honest

Lib dems: I agree with many policies and I do actually find Clegg to be a nice guy who speaks well and is incredibly personable. However, he screwed up majorly with tutition fees and at times he looks like even he doesnt believe in himself.

UKIP: All they care about is immigration. they seem to avoid talking about anything else. They seem to just be trying to appeal to the typical "they come here taking our jobs" folk which I cant stand

Green Party: I like that they are interested in the environment however they do seem a bit loopy, dont fancy them.

SNP: Theyre a socialist party which does appeal to me however they only care for Scotland, understandbly, and I cant vote and wouldnt vote for them.

So all in all, I have no idea. Anyone fancy trying to persuade me? :P:confused:

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Nice. Yeah I voted to legalise it' date=' not that I smoke it. Although I could see the pros and cons of keeping it a banned substance.

As far as I'm concerned I dont really want to vote for anyone at the moment. they all seem equally inefficient.

Labour: I seem to agreee with them on many policies. However, last time they were in government they completely screwed the economy and frankly I wouldnt trust Ed Milliband with my cats.

Conservative: They've done well with the economy and I think I would probably trust Cameron more than the others. However, from what I have gathered (granted not a lot), the conservatives seem more interested in keeping the large corporation rich and arent too interested in bridging the divide between the rice and the poor. I'd probably say that I'm inherently anti-conservative if I'm honest

Lib dems: I agree with many policies and I do actually find Clegg to be a nice guy who speaks well and is incredibly personable. However, he screwed up majorly with tutition fees and at times he looks like even he doesnt believe in himself.

UKIP: All they care about is immigration. they seem to avoid talking about anything else. They seem to just be trying to appeal to the typical "they come here taking our jobs" folk which I cant stand

Green Party: I like that they are interested in the environment however they do seem a bit loopy, dont fancy them.

SNP: Theyre a socialist party which does appeal to me however they only care for Scotland, understandbly, and I cant vote and wouldnt vote for them.

So all in all, I have no idea. Anyone fancy trying to persuade me? :P:confused:[/quote']

Honestly, vote for your interests.

If you're young, vote for someone who advances policies favorable to youth.

If you're rich, vote for the rich.

If you're poor, vote for someone who'll make you richer

If you care about social policy, vote for the party whose social policy is most closely aligned to yours.

There will never be a perfect party but when push comes to shove, you prioritize which issues matter to you the most and go with that.

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If you're rich' date=' vote for the rich.[/quote']

This is why this world is such a jungle.

If one day I'm rich, no way I'm voting for someone/some party that only benefits the rich and promotes more social inequality in general.

That (well, with the lobbies' help) is why the USA is the country with the biggest gap between rich and poor, basically because of Republican governments.

I like how they always complain about taxes, but their hero Reagam was the president who rose taxes most times in American history.

Republicans are always looking to decrease taxes for the rich and super rich, so they can make the middle class pay more - scum of the earth...

I love how some Republicans (like that one who loves to cry, John Bohener I think it is) defend the right of every American to fight for their American dream, yet their party's policies only make that a lot harder. :confused:

Obama has been trying to help the less fortunate and the middle class, but he's just one man.

And it's tough to do it, when Republicans decide to pull stunts like the shutdown, which affected the poorest, of course... :rolleyes:

Hopefully Hillary wins in 2016, power to women! B)

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This is why this world is such a jungle.

If one day I'm rich' date=' no way I'm voting for someone/some party that only benefits the rich and promotes more social inequality in general.

That (well, with the lobbies' help) is why the USA is the country with the biggest gap between rich and poor, basically because of Republican governments.

I like how they always complain about taxes, but their hero Reagam was the president who rose taxes most times in American history.

Republicans are always looking to decrease taxes for the rich and super rich, so they can make the middle class pay more - scum of the earth...

I love how some Republicans (like that one who loves to cry, John Bohener I think it is) defend the right of every American to fight for their American dream, yet their party's policies only make that a lot harder. :confused:

Obama has been trying to help the less fortunate and the middle class, but he's just one man.

And it's tough to do it, when Republicans decide to pull stunts like the shutdown, which affected the poorest, of course... :rolleyes:

Hopefully Hillary wins in 2016, power to women! B)[/quote']

Oh noo, you wish only the rich were voting for the rich. Mostly it's the poor people voting for the rich who've charmed them into thinking their conservative social agenda actually plays any role in their policies.

I don't really have a problem with rich people voting for their own kind but it's quite silly when all the poor people are voting unknowingly against their interests.

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Oh noo' date=' you wish only the rich were voting for the rich. Mostly it's the poor people voting for the rich who've charmed them into thinking their conservative social agenda actually plays any role in their policies.[/quote']

I know, mate. :D

That's why Republicans dominate in the "stupid" states, like Alabama.

They probably think: "We better vote Republican, coz otherwise them govement is gonna take our guns from us. Them govement can't tell me I can only own like 6 guns, instead of 8". :P

And the shooting victims keep increasing... :(

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I know' date=' mate. :D

That's why Republicans dominate in the "stupid" states, like Alabama.

They probably think: "We better vote Republican, coz otherwise them govement is gonna take our guns from us. Them govement can't tell me I can only own like 6 guns, instead of 8". :P

And the shooting victims keep increasing... :([/quote']

Even better, poor people then get distracted by a false economic issue. Convince them something minor is important, make sure they get stuck on that point, and they'll never notice the things causing the most harm to their earnings potential ;)

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Even better' date=' poor people then get distracted by a false economic issue. Convince them something minor is important, make sure they get stuck on that point, and they'll never notice the things causing the most harm to their earnings potential ;)[/quote']

That's basically Portugal in a nutshell: a country that's 48 years behind the rest of civilised Europe, due to a fascist regime which kept people in the dark, so they wouldn't question it.

Now Portugal is mostly composed of ignorant morons and the few intelligent people, like myself (sorry, don't mean to sound arrogant), just want to emigrate.

Good thing it shouldn't take long for me, coz I can't take much more of this corruption nest. :mad:

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